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October 30, 2017

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-peter from my phone

I will be on jury duty soon. I hope that I can be as fair as all the other jurors

Thomas Collins

Re Papadop: I just don't see Mueller going after a Papadop type on a process crime unless Mueller wants more. There may be no more there, but were I a member of the Trump 2016 campaign, I wouldn't breathe easy yet. There is probably nothing to indict on re the contacts with the Russian lawyer. But we don't know what else Papadop did in the campaign.

In any event, the lesson once again is this: Don't say a word to the FBI until you have consulted a great white collar criminal defense lawyer. Don't be shaken when FBI shows up unannounced. Ask for the subpoena or search warrant. If none is produced, politely and firmly inform FBI that you have nothing to say.

Seems obvious, but a lot of smart people don't follow that procedure.

Captain Hate

Why aren't Clapper and Curb Dive being charged with lying to Congress or the FBI?

jimmyk

I'll bet nothing comes of this if Manafort and Gates keep quiet and get the best attorney's for those charges.

Even so, if it gets dragged out till November '18 the Democrats/MSM will be flogging it as tied to Trump somehow.

As to Weber going down with Podesta, if that happens, I wonder how much of it is, "If we can't avoid taking down a Democrat, we've got to at least include a Republican."

henry

This ham sandwich came from Mueller's dawn raid of Manafort's refrigerator. He didn't bother to raid Tony Podesta. He's got nothing on nobody.

derwill

Re Miss M's 3:26 link . . . I don't know about all of it, but the part about Mueller being disgusted with being ordered by the Obama Administration to cover up the Uranium scandal rings as possibly true to me. What kind of options did he have to blow the whistle on it at the time? Go to the MSM--that is to laugh. Go to Congress--with Harry Reid in charge of the Senate and weepy Boehner the House? There really wasn't anything he could have done beyond martyring himself and what would that have accomplished?

Buckeye

Looks to me like mostly Uniparty Swamp alligators surfacing to take a chomp out of other Uniparty Swamp alligators.

Works for me.

FEMALL

derwill

--Looks to me like mostly Uniparty Swamp alligators surfacing to take a chomp out of other Uniparty Swamp alligators.

Works for me.--

That's exactly where I am, Buckeye.

maryrose

CH:
That is part of phase 2
Curb Dive and Clapper aren’t part of Mueller’s investigation.
They are part and parcel of the Nunes investigation and the Grassley Senate investigation.
Also if the Special Counsel for FISA warrants and wiretapping is put in gear along with dossier then we have the Obama people in our sights.

Frau Kochlöffel

CH asks, "Why aren't Clapper and Curb Dive being charged with lying to Congress or the FBI?"

Clinton had tea with the FBI in her home and was not ever interviewed about any "matter."
...and no one volunteered to wake her up at midnight and frisk her in her nightie.

Was Clapper ever interviewed by the FBI? I thought he ordered *them* around as he did "Queasy" Comey the Pepto-Bismol Kid.

maryrose

Derwill:
A person of good conscience would have blown the whistle on the Uranium deal and the Holder cover - up thereby keeping the FBI clear of the corruption it now finds itself embroiled in.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

The problem with the idea of any of these guys rolling over and harming Trump or his family is, there is not the slightest shred of evidence there's anything to roll over on.

I'm also dubious anyone goes to jail.

jimmyk

They are part and parcel of the Nunes investigation and the Grassley Senate investigation.

When was the last time a Congressional investigation accomplished anything? There needs to be actual prosecutions. The double standards are staggering, and will completely erode respect for the law.

maryrose

Iggy: Agree with you.
How is your ankle and foot?

Davod

"I'm also dubious anyone goes to jail."

We are talking about a D.C. Jury .

maryrose

Who is in line after Rosenstein at the Department of Justice?
That person should bring indictments with a grand jury. No one here wants a Special Prosecutor again.

derwill

--A person of good conscience would have blown the whistle on the Uranium deal and the Holder cover - up thereby keeping the FBI clear of the corruption it now finds itself embroiled in.--

Blown the whistle to whom? President Obama and the DOJ--they're the ones who ordered the cover up in the first place. Obama's ass-kickers in the media? No way would any reporter have gone near this story. Congress? The Dems had the majority in the Senate at the time and the GOPe--who won't say boo to a ghost--sure were never going to accuse Hillary taking bribes from Russia while she was Secy of State.

derwill

Good grief-- Should be "ass-lickers. "

Frau Kochlöffel

The real obstruction of justice is the Obama administration's killing and burying the FBI report on Uranium 1. Will Mueller be called to answer the congressional questions?

jimmyk -how much more can the respect for law be eroded?

Miss Marple the Deplorable

maryrose,

Had Mueller tried to blow the whistle we would never have heard about it given the obstacles derwill described.

I go back, once again, to that meeting that President Trump had with Mueller the DAY BEFORE HE WAS NAMED AS SPECIAL COUNSEL. I cannot believe that some sort of discussion wasn't held at that time.

This has been going on for some time as the Podestas lawyered up in August. Tony Podesta's resignation from his firm (with a new firm being created) indicates to me a plan intended to go into effect if they thought indictments were coming. Hillary met with John Podesta and arch-weasel Sidney Blumenthal this past weekend.

I don't know if further indictments will come. I do detect some concern on the part of Hillary and the Podesta brothers.

jimmyk

how much more can the respect for law be eroded?

You have a point Frau, but eventually disrespect for law breeds violence and mayhem. I'd like to stop short of that. If Trump can't make some Democrat heads roll, I'm not sure who can.

Frau Kochlöffel

The judges involved are scary enough for Halloween: ask Berger (too late), Libby, Hillary!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/30/paul-manafort-judge-who-is-deborah-robinson.html

Thomas Collins
"not the slightest shred of evidence there's anything to roll over on."

We don't know that, Ignatz, without having access to Team Mueller's files. And given the broad scope of federal criminal statutes, Mueller has wide discretion.

The likely result, I think, is no more indictments of people affiliated with the Trump campaign and no UraniumGate indictments. Perhaps a few more lying to FBI or failure to file as a foreign agent or the like. Nothing against Trump or Obama or Clinton. Perhaps Tony Podesta is really sweating. Papadop is unlikely to bring down anyone in the Trump inner circle.

My ultimate prediction: A deflated Brady ball for all sides behind doors one, two and three.

I denounce myself for managing to violate the no more Brady and no more Monty Hall references in the same post!

derwill

How could the Dems possibly be happy about this going to trial? The crimes he committed, such as they are, are all tied in with the work he was doing for the Podesta Group, and the Podestas are tied to Hillary.

If Manafort's defense is that he was just doing what all the swamp creatures in DC do, then isn't that what we want--to expose the swamp?

jimmyk

The crimes he committed, such as they are, are all tied in with the work he was doing for the Podesta Group, and the Podestas are tied to Hillary.

So Mueller will give the Podestas immunity in exchange for fingering anyone remotely connected to Trump or Republicans, or perhaps for nothing at all. That seems to be the DC way for handling Democrat crooks.

Clarice Feldman

Tony Podesta just resigned from his lobbying group--what does that tell you? (Politico)

derwill

--So Mueller will give the Podestas immunity in exchange for fingering anyone remotely connected to Trump or Republicans, or perhaps for nothing at all. --

Knowing who they are, if the Podestas had something on Trump or any Republican don't you think they would have given it away for free and long before now? Nothing was stopping them.

Clarice Feldman

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/30/podesta-group-plays-key-role-in-manafort-indictment/

Davod

"If Manafort's defense is that he was just doing what all the swamp creatures in DC do, then isn't that what we want--to expose the swamp?"

I don't think this will work with a D.C. jury.

Remember. Selective application of the law is how the ratbags attack conservatives.

If you concede what you did was illegal,but everybody does it, you have lost.

Clarice Feldman

The judges:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/30/paul-manafort-judge-who-is-deborah-robinson.html

jimmyk

don't you think they would have given it away for free and long before now?

Knowing they themselves are up to their necks in it, why not hold out for a deal? And I doubt they have anything on Trump, but maybe something on some Republican (like Weber).

Dave (in MA)

Imagine being too slimy to be a lobbyist.

Dave (in MA)

"Netflix’s Spacey starring film Gore about the acerbic author Gore Vidal may be on the chopping block now too."

Imagine being in too much boy trouble to play Gore Vidal.

jimmyk

The judges:

Nothing but Obama Democrats. At least Robinson sounds like she has some integrity.

derwill


The Politico story says in their lede that Tony Podesta expects to be indicted, hence his resignation. If he's indicted, that could give the FBI access to the company's files.

The Podesta Group were registered lobbyists for Uranium One.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Meanwhile, the Special Forces have captured a guy instrumental in that attack on Benghazi. No video tapes with him. Here is the President's statement:

https://twitter.com/Scavino45/status/925087738008952832

maryrose

Daddy:
Defense rests in Menendez trial where he did not testify.
Rejected by judge ,mistrial application.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--We don't know that, Ignatz, without having access to Team Mueller's files.--

After a year of this BS during which we learned a good deal about the issues Manafort and apparently Podesta are in trouble for, not a single shred of evidence has been produced by the media, congress or even intel and LE leakers regarding anything illegal by Trump or his crew.
In DC that's pretty close to knowing.

derwill

Davod, I don't care if he gets convicted. He's a swamp creature. The reason why Trump hired him in the first place was to beat the other swamp creatures who were trying to steal is delegates. And Trump fired him when he found out the extent of his swamp sliminess.

Mueller told Manafort he was going to be indicted months ago. If Manafort had something on Trump for which to trade, that was the time to give it up. Not wait until after his life was already publicly ruined.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

maryrose,
Ankle on ice right now but better and faster than I expected.
Thanks for asking.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

https://medium.com/@rossdaniels/breaking-john-roberts-white-house-source-george-papadopoulos-evidence-provided-by-the-white-house-630eae043b6e

HA! Read this and see that there is stuff going on we don't know about!!

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Where did that earlier quote about the WH saying Mueller would be wrapping up soon come from?

exdemocrat

is this significant, Clarice? https://twitter.com/BySteveReilly/status/925063641870856192

DC Distrcit court has 4 other sealed indictments on its calendar numbered between Papadop and Manafort.

Threadkiller

I thought it was well known that Popgoestheweaseloulous was discovered through turned over emails from the Trump campaign?

maryrose

Iggy:
It came from Reuters because Sarah Sanders mentioned it at her press briefing.

cheerleader

Ignatz,

From the press secretary today.

Davod

"Mueller told Manafort he was going to be indicted months ago."

Did he really?

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Ignatz,

Reuters quoting someone in White House.

cheerleader

Ignatz,

I don't know if its the quote you're referring to, but Sarah said today she expected Mueller to wrap it up soon and also that the Manafort stuff had nothing at all to do with the Trump campaign.

windansea

Tony Podesta just resigned from his lobbying group--what does that tell you? (Politico)
Posted by: Clarice Feldman | October 30, 2017 at 04:36 PM

Gloom and Doomers will tell you this means he has just been granted blanket immunity by Mueller in order to finger more Trumpsters. :)

Miss Marple the Deplorable

exdemocrat,

Thanks for the link on those sealed indictments. ChiTown Lurker just alerted me to that!

Ralph L

I think Jane is right: Manafort can argue fruit of the poisonous FIScus tree and get the evidence thrown out. It always works on L&O. He may have to wait for an appeal, however, which would be long and expensive.

use of the Fusion Dossier by Mueller will result in the appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate Fusion, Mueller

Walsh wasn't punished for using immunized testimony against North and Poindexter, but they got off. Wasn't Toobin his subordinate--he survived too.

henry

windansea, you added the "in order to finger more Trumpsters" part. The view from the Ledge is closer to "to firewall any blowback on Dems, especially Meuller himself." But it's after 5 in DC, and Tony Podesta is not under indictment.

Patrick R. Sullivan

Mueller was going to indict Fats Domino, but he died;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=105&v=IV4IjHz2yIo

Goldie Hawn might be in jeopardy though.

Threadkiller

Here is the WaPo story on PopsOffAlot from August:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-campaign-emails-show-aides-repeated-efforts-to-set-up-russia-meetings/2017/08/14/54d08da6-7dc2-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Thomas Wictor‏ @ThomasWictor 18m18 minutes ago


At any second, LEFTISTS will begin demanding that Mueller be fired.

Captain Hate

Walsh wasn't punished for using immunized testimony against North and Poindexter, but they got off.

North and Poindexter got off because the Senate show trial created double jeopardy iirc. I trust Satan still tortures Walsh with that.

cheerleader

As a commenter said at TCT, the Podesta brother who resigned should be indicted based on his art collection.

Sue

Why do leftists hate Donald Trump Jr and Jared Kushner so much?

cheerleader

Miss Marple, lol!!

Clarice Feldman

exdem, I don't know--could just be unrelated gj indictments.

anonamom

from a commenter at Diplomad from two days ago:

George W. PottsOctober 27, 2017 at 9:33 AM
Sidebar: Is it possible that the Awan family (Pakistani IT "workers" for the DNC, DWS and other Dems in the House) knew about the Fusion GPS scam ... and maybe even Uranium One ... and that is why they were so pampered and richly rewarded? The stench coming from the swamp is overwhelming ...

cheerleader

I think they hate Don Jr. because he is a big gun rights proponent. I'm not sure why they hate Jared.

anon (AKA common man )

Andy McCarthy

has read the indictment and opinions

"at first glance ( that is lawyer talk for I want to leave myself the out that there is something I dont know ) appears shaky and overcharged."

Its going to cost Manafort a lot of loot, to prove his innocence I am afraid. And if he really never did report this money, he deserves to hang...

Marlene

Good afternoon! Howie Carr mentioned that Anthony Weiner will spend his prison time at Fort Medical Center at Devens. Did you Massachusetts guys know that? He will continue to receive therapy while in prison. *eyeroll*

maryrose

Cheerleader:
Both Jared and Donald Trump Jr. are successful business men and they on their best day could never compete with their expertise.
Jared’s expertise helped President Trump win the election

They will never forgive him for that.

Captain Hate

Billy Boy hasn't learned the rule of holes:

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=372282

Dave (in MA)

I just stole that, Patrick.

Kevlar Kid

"Sidebar: Is it possible that the Awan family (Pakistani IT "workers" for the DNC, DWS and other Dems in the House) knew about the Fusion GPS scam ... and maybe even Uranium One ."

I'm of the opinion that DWS brokered hush payments to House reps so they'd keep their noses out of the deals of Mrs. Clinton as SOS.

$145 million bought a lot of silence. DWS is a cork in one of the Swamp's cleanout valves marked "House of Representatives."

Mueller isn't going in her direction but who's to say Trump isn't pushing his AG to get the ducks lined up with the House foreign affairs related committees and intel to get her in the crosshairs.

Start in on the Paki Boyz and net the U1 conspiracy in the process.

derwill

The story that Mueller told Manafort he was going to be indicted has been out there for awhile. No idea where it originated--could even have been fakes news MSM put out to spook Trump.

Maybe for DC insiders laundering money and failing to report millions of dollars in income to the IRS aren't serious crimes, but for you and I they sure would be. If he did those things he should be charged and tried.

And let us not forget, if he did those things they were done while he was working for the Podesta Group. That fact will have to come out at the trial--no way around it.

derwill

Bad grammar alert! Should be for "you and me"

Kevlar Kid

Billy Kristol= "vivacious little twat".... acc'g to Ace.... that's a keeper. for all of his cockbaggery he still fails to earn an appropriate moniker. Sad.

Kevlar Kid

derwill---> i am a walking talking bad grammar alert. ;)

Dave (in MA)

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/453244/manafort-indictment-no-signs-trump-russia-collusion

"On first glance, Mueller’s case, at least in part, seems shaky and overcharged."

Doesn't he mean "peregruzkaed"?

henry

Shaky and overcharged?

Does that mean instead of a ham sandwich he indicted a cheese sandwich?

Kevlar Kid

Interesting comment (at least to this non-loyer) by Andy Mack. "shaky and overcharged" is a kick in the balls. what I'd expect to hear a venerable law prof say to a moot court peacock.

Wonder what the Legal Insurrection folks think of it? Dersh?

Extraneus

If the Mueller probe is winding down like Reuters reports (based on SHS statement?), then Sessions re-takes the DoJ after only a short hiatus.

I'd be afraid if I were a guilty Democrat.

clara

Ex, Don't bet on that. Sessions is busy busy taking on MI13 and forfeiture.

anonamom

Gee--

Between 58 percent and 62 percent of women, regardless of their OPAT category, are injured in basic training, according to Army statistics. On the other hand, 25 percent to 29 percent of men are injured.

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2017/10/18/early-numbers-show-the-armys-new-fitness-test-is-reducing-injuries-in-basic-training-3/

Dave (in MA)

I dunno, Kev. I was just trying to work in the reset button joke.

anonamom

Watching Brett. Manafort and Gates can only leave their residences for medical or legal appointments, or religious services.

I'd be going to daily Mass if I were them. And walking to get there.

Just to get outside, but praying for Divine intervention won't hurt either.


Frau Rechtschreibung

"I denounce myself for managing to violate the no more Brady and no more Monty Hall references in the same post!"

TC - points for a rapid and lean violation. You did not even bring an Oxford comma to the board.

derwill @ 5:48 warmed the cockles of my would-be grammar policeman's heart. ("To serve and correct")

Buford Gooch

And a fine joke it was, Dave. I look forward to your comments every time I get on JOM.

Jane - not "in"

I am very unhappy about the Judges. Is that the DC Circuit court or something else?

Hell the 2nd judge dismissed a case against Hillary by Benghazi relatives.

But if Trump is as smart as some of you say, then I am optimistic. The charges against Manafort and Gates are certainly deserved, but that is not the point of them. The point is leverage against Trump and nothing else.

We need a special prosecutor about fusion, which will ensnare Mueller - not to mention obama, hillary and several others.

Jane - not "in"

I'm unhappy about Spacey. I always liked him. Seems like Hollywood is a hotbed of pervs.

anon ( AKA common man )

I always found Spacey odd and creepy. Now I know why. He is creepy and an obvious pervert.

Thomas Collins

Thank you, Frau, for supporting my petition for leniency at sentencing!

Clarice Feldman

Jane, federal district court.

Extraneus

I know, clara, and taking naps. But that SHS statement, if true, is a torpedo that doesn't get turned around. Mueller out and Sessions back in charge?

Let's have that and see how he does.

Sue

2-3 different lawyers on Fox have speculated Popalopawhateverus has worn a wire for Mueller.

 narcisoyea

What ties this together

https://mobile.twitter.com/seanmdav/status/925054296340692993?p=v

 narcisoyea

Well. Capt as clarice would tell you they were pulling these tricks back in the 70s, disregarding basic due process.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Hey, in case you guys missed it, I want to point out that the Special Forces got one of the ringleaders in the Benghazi attack, and they are bringing him to the US for trial.

THAT should be interesting, since the lame video excuse isin't going to fly now that the terrorist is in custody.

THIS HAS BEEN MY THEORY SINCE I WAS A POSTER ON ACE AND FEEL FREE TO SCROLL ON BY:

We all have seen how Obama likes to have hostages as an excuse for doing something he knows would bring him public criticism. Bowie Bergdahl's release as a "hostage" in exchange for releasing those 4 terrorists from Gitmo is a perfect example.

In the weeks preceding Benghazi, there were repeated rumors on several sites that the Blind Sheik was going to be released. His release was a big goal of Morsi of Egypt, who was the Muslim Brotherhood guy that Sisi kicked out.

What I believe is that Obama and Clinton cooked up an exchange in which Ambassador Stephens would be taken as a hostage and then exchanged by the Blind Sheik. This explains why security was so lax around the consulate.

No one outside of Hllary and a few of the smart set in the White House were aware of this deal, including the CIA assets on the ground So when the fake attack started, the CIA guys went to defend the consulate. The terorists, thinking they had been double-crossed, dragged the ambassador and Smith out and offed them.

This also explains why Obama went off to Vegas unconcerned, why Hillary acted pretty nonchalant, and why no rescue mission was sent from the military. All was proceeding as planned.

It wasn't until the next day that they realized that it had all gone wrong.

I will be very interested in what this trial reveals. I think it's unusual that they are bringing this guy back to the US instead of just shooting him or sending him to Gitmo.


Momto2

2-3 different lawyers on Fox have speculated Popalopawhateverus has worn a wire for Mueller.


He was an unpaid volunteer on a council that met only once. So who would he be recording? And when?

 narcisoyea

This was the movie review crew, look all the way down:

https://mobile.twitter.com/watchful1/status/925121379493543936/photo/1

The first time I've ever seen more than a few frames

Porchlight

I always found Spacey odd and creepy.

Ditto. Smarmy jerk.

It's been no secret he's gay but I'm not surprised about the pedo thing either. He made a trip or two to Epstein's island with Slick, so there's that, too.

anon ( AKA common man )

So the pedo island thing. he is a switchhitter or Epstein is. Which do you think it is?

windansea

A few facts in evidence

From todays indictment
1.
From in or about and between 2006 and 2017, both dates being approximate and inclusive, in the District of Columbia and elsewhere, the defendants PAUL J. MANAFORT, JR., and RICHARD W. GATES III, together with others, knowingly and intentionally conspired to defraud the United States by impeding, impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful governmental functions of a government agency, namely the Department of Justice and the Department of the Treasury, and to commit offenses against the United States, to wit, the violations of law charged in Counts Three through Six and Ten through Twelve

In this indictment, the special counsel alleges that Company A and Company B knew full well what Manafort and Gates were doing in their lobbying, and conspired to keep the lobbying from being properly reported. If those are Podesta Group and Mercury, they should be very worried about being next on the indictment list for violations of the Foreign Agent and Registration Act (FARA). Sean Davis says that they appear to be the only two firms connected to Manafort:

2.

U.S. District Court for D.C. has four sealed cases in its docket with case numbers between Papadopoulos' (182) and Manafort's (201).

3.

Mueller got a judge to find a waiver of Manafort's attorney-client privilege under the crime-fraud exception

http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/sites/dcd/files/17-mc-2336_MEM_OP_REDACTED%20FOR%20UNSEALING_20171030.pdf …

4. Tony Podesta just resigned from his very lucrative CAP lobby firm. Anyone want to postulate why this particular rat would "take one for the team"?

Extraneus

So a straight and a gay pedophile walk into a bar...

Porchlight

anon, I assumed there were boys on Epstein's island as well. Or maybe some came along on the plane.

Imagine being in too much boy trouble to play Gore Vidal.

I know - what a perfect role. Apparently the plot is that a young man befriends (lol) Vidal and "learns" about politics and culture.

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