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November 16, 2017

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Jack is Back!

First in the morning. Last at night.

jimmyk

First?

It's fun that everyone can see straight through Matt Yglesias's assertion that Clinton should have resigned because of the Lewinsky affair.

As one commenter on Althouse says:

So years later, when it no longer matters and because the past cannot be changed, MY argues that bums like WJ Clinton should have resigned or otherwise been thrown out of office. Anyone familiar with MY knows that he says this because the Democrats now view that argument as strategically and tactically useful.

jimmyk

First real comment, I should say. :)

Jack is Back!

jimmyk,

How did you know I use a bot to comment?

jimmyk

The real JiB would have added, "And first in the heart of his countrymen."

jimmyk

The question is: When do we let the others in on the fact that there's a new thread?

henry

so we can have fewer browser windows open.

rse

I just did jimmy.

Will respond to cathy f's question on the inanity of the remarks by the ed prof, these people now truly do believe they can rewire human nature via the activities mandated in the classroom and the neural effects of years of such a focus.

When I try to point that out via the blog with links I get personally attacked for pushing a non-herd narrative which is what was going on all day yesterday after this post http://invisibleserfscollar.com/lemming-alert-fomenting-hysteria-to-hide-ubiquitous-targeting-of-the-internalized-subjective/

It was a relief to get to watch blacklist fall finale. The ed profs and all the other profs who push theory instead of knowledge have no idea of the effect of radically changing what it means to know in order to create a "new kind of citizen".

JimNorCal

Deplorable Don weighs in on Judge Moore.

"No Democrats, you don't get your virginity back
WARNING: THE FOLLOWING POST DISCUSSES THE CLINTON PRESIDENCY. READER DISCRETION IS ADVISED."

Conclusion: "I advise my friends and relatives in Alabama to vote for Roy Moore. He can always be expelled if he's guilty. We cannot expel Doug Jones if Moore is cleared."

http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2017/11/no-democrats-you-dont-get-your.html

henry

Jay Weber @JayWeber3
44s

Ron Johnson on WISN: Says his 'no' vote is a shout of frustration to get leadership's attention on tax reform. And he got it. Is talking to Trump & Treasury.

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he thinks the way pass through gets ignored in the tax cuts hurts the majority of small to medium businesses and is a sop to Dem "class warfare" baloney.

 joan

JimNorCal: That's a good Don Surber column. Thanks for posting it.

MM: Enjoyed the twitter thread on Session's testimony on last thread.

Old Lurker

Cry me a river...

The stories today about Senate R's all of a sudden worrying that they might lose the Alabama seat is just too rich.

Ralph L

Talking about Disreali, in Trollope's Phineas Redux, the character based on him is described as proposing something radical because of "probably not temporary insanity."

JimNorCal

A sample of bon mots from the comments at PowerLine.

Democrats are holding on to the yearbook until they're sure the ink has dried.

I'm waiting to make up my mind until I hear from Dan Rather.

Moore is being dossiayed.

WaPo = Bezos' Bozos

Appalled

If Roy Moore loses, the Roy Moore story goes away. If Roy Moore wins, it likely continues.

The Trump administration does not need a sexual harassment story on its doorstep. It particularly does not need a sexual harassment story involving Gloria Allred, unless they can prove the Moore story she's involved with is a fabrication.

Soooo, looking at how Trump handles this situation (where he has been mercifully quiet) is going to be interesting. Maybe we get a sense at how astute his 4-D chess game really is.

Captain Hate

Our friends at the Gas Chamber:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/15/chamber-dreamers-make-america-americans-have-no-role/

JimNorCal

Appalled, I'd think this is a no brainer for Trump. Why would he side with his enemies against his base? It's true that restraining from commenting is wise.
He'll find a way to signal to his base that he's with them. Well, that's my expectation.

Davod

How Robert Mueller works a case.

Long. But worth the read under the proviso of know your enemy.

"Already, he appears to have uncovered details of a far-reaching Russian political-influence campaign."

[Against Trumps's people of course]

http://time.com/5016175/robert-mueller-donald-trump-george-papadopoulos/

JimNorCal

"If Roy Moore loses, the Roy Moore story goes away. If Roy Moore wins, it likely continues."

In a sense, the opposite is true, no?
If Moore loses, a political lesson is learned. Ambushes become a more common tactic.
If Moore wins, the accusers are forced to take the slow path, file formal court cases, provide evidence, respond to countering arguments and so on. Likely many/most/all go away.

Miss Marple

I am with Surber. Vote for Moore and if actual evidence comes out later, he can be expelled or resign.

Moore has already proven valuable for both revealing McConnel's panic and luring Allred into a possible fraud charge.

Janet 🚬

If I lived in Alabama, they'd have to kill me to stop me from voting for Roy Moore.

Old Lurker

See MM, if McConnell had been half as crafty as he wants people to think, he might have done just that: secure the seat with Moore then if he doesn't play ball, then threaten to ruin him until he resigns...then repeat the process.

Now that McConnell has smeared the toothpaste all over the place, he might not be able to get it back into the tube.

And now that 40 year old sexual rumors are fair game, he'd better hope there are more D's in that closet than R's...but why would there be?

Genius.

JimNorCal

Yeah, Surber's conclusion is commonsensical.
No rush to judgment, expel him if charges are proved.

Jack is Back!

According to Judge Nap, Moore cannot be expelled for anything that happened before he was elected. Don't know the veracity of that but someone like Clarice may know.

JimNorCal

At another blog someone posted that section of the law.
Each house can expel pretty much anyone if they have 2/3 support.

Old Lurker

"...if charges are proved...."

But what charges and what standard of proof?

Being a creep (HW Bush or Joe Biden), or being a rape-rapist? Begging a pretty girl for favors would get a lot of men in trouble, back in the day. Proven like in a criminal proceeding with, you know, charges, evidence, testimony and judges, or proven like Lindsay Graham says "smells true to me"?

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

I seriously doubt All Red will ever be brought to heel. She knows Sullivan and how to skate on defamation of a public figure as well as the Clintons know how to skate on racketeering.
The bar won't touch her as long as she is attacking the right people and has not been convicted of a felony.

Miss Marple

Old Lurker,

Yep. It is in mints like this that I think Trump has some super power like Wonder Woman's Lasso of Truth. When I heard McConnell called Trump in China about this election,I knew he was in a panic.

To. Go public and carry on like this just shows how much they have invested in the status quo.

Trump hasn't had to do anything except be himself.

It's really remarkable.

Janet 🚬

Look at this insanity - "MEANWHILE: Two more women who were teenagers during the same period have described unwanted advances by Moore. One alleges that he forced a kiss on her during a date. She was around 18 at the time."

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/11/roy-moores-defense.php

Good Lord. Who in America could pass this purity test?

Anyone that's ever been involved with drinking, necking, petting, making-out, etc. in high school is gonna be in BIG trouble.

I will be in big trouble! Hah!

I'm waiting to hear the word 'hickey' from one of his accusers.

Captain Hate

If I lived in Alabama, they'd have to kill me to stop me from voting for Roy Moore

Exactly. The Uniparty and MFM are still in denial that 11/8/2016 was a vote against business as usual. They only learn the hard way.

JimNorCal

Janet: "I'm waiting to hear the word 'hickey' from one of his accusers."

Gonna need a new keyboard now, for shame, Janet!

Old Lurker

so much for hoping for first base at the movies.

mad jack

has judge Nap been right about anything?

cheerleader

If Roy Moore wins, the Republicans will have another fighter on their side who doesn't choke.

By the opposite token, when Hannity and the other chokers try repairing their self-inflicted damage, they'll be wasting their time.

Jim, those bon mots are a hoot!

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Janet,

OMG! I only narrowly escaped dropping my coffee.

You should get a special JOM award for that comment!

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Napolitano would be on CNN misinforming people were he a prog instead of a libertarian.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-16/israel-ready-share-intel-saudis-against-iran-ahead-possible-war

Miss Marple the Deplorable

This is a tweet from yesterday, but I missed this development:

Chad Pergram‏Verified account @ChadPergram
21h21 hours ago

Colleague Catherine Herridge rpts Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS refused to answer questions related to DNC, the Clinton campaign & his relationship with specific journalists. He did not verify the dossier

========================

I got the nenws he didn't verify it, but I did NOT see that he wouldn't answer questions about the DNC or journalists.

Threadkiller

Napolitano believes The Commander in Chief of The United States Armed Forces can have an allegiance to multiple sovereign nations.

Put me down for a no vote on him ever being right.

Jack is Back!

Why would Pence's ex-Press Secretary go on TV and warn that Moore is more a Schumer democrat than a conservative MAGA Trumper? Still waiting for someone to explain to me, if Moore is in fact a conservative or not. Was he ever a legislator so that there is a record of positions?

This is the 3rd time I have asked this question and so far no one has been able to show me his political leanings and positions.

Old Lurker

Jack, I took that as the swamp throwing everything against the wall hoping something will stick.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
2h2 hours ago

China is sending an Envoy and Delegation to North Korea - A big move, we'll see what happens!

Janet 🚬

Then look at this - 'A Democrat running for Congress was arrested on a stalking charge last week, but the media has refused to give the story any coverage.'

http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/15/networks-ignore-dem-candidate-arrested-for-stalking/?utm_source=site-share

This isn't some unverified allegation from decades ago...it was reported to the police, investigated & the guy was arrested.

Eric wrote - "He has a Magic (D) after his name."

henry

JiB, Pence's ex press secretary... a plant from Reince and GOPe to begin with? Why is the guy "ex"?

henry

Eating their own: a href="https://twitter.com/CollegeFix/status/931153128841535488">MLK Chapel vandalized to protest rape culture.

henry

MLK link.

cheerleader

His fight for the Ten Commandments tells me his moral compass is Christian.

From his campaign site:

"A strong family based on marriage between one man and one woman is and should remain our only guide and model. I oppose abortion, same-sex marriage, civil unions, and all other threats to the traditional family order."

https://www.roymoore.org/Positions/

That doesn't sound at like being a Schumer Democrat so Pence's ex press secretary must be lying.

cheerleader

A lot of Republicans are embarrassed by non-comprising moralists like Moore.

JimNorCal

Another sardonic one-liner from a PL commenter
"It's as if the Republican party thinks it still has to convince us that it's the stupid party."

JohnH

Re: statins. I took them a few years ago and stopped due to side effects. At my Drs appt last week he made a pitch to have me try them again. He’s a young guy and big with stats. He showed me that without the statins I was 8% more likely to have a heart issue than similar population. With the statins it drops to 5%. I responded that for a 3% reduction it wasn’t worth any potential side effects. He turned to the young female Dr that was shadowing him that day and said “and that’s what an informed decision looks like”. Statins done, over, finis.

Jane - not "in"

I reiterate my belief that so many people want Moore out of the picture so the huge number of perverts in the House and Senate won't be revealed.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Jane,

I agree and Example Number 1 is discovering that $15,000,000 fund from which they pay off claims.

Imagine a corporation with a standing fund for paying off sexual harassment claims - the DOJ would be all over them for that.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

With Moore we're exactly where we were when this started.
Allred's chick is, as always, a demonstrable scheming, lying nutcake which leaves several claimants saying Moore was a 30 year old guy who tried to steal a kiss from them as ~18 year olds.
And then the one aberration from the girl who claims she was 14 and he tried to steal more than a kiss. The timing, her reputation, the discrepancy over the phone, etc, lead me to believe that if anything occurred, which is highly doubtful, she was almost certainly not 14 at the time.

henry

Miss M, the DoJ isn't all over Disney. (neither is the SEC which enforces disclosure to shareholders).

Jane - not "in"

I want that $15m returned to the taxpayers. How dare they not pay out of their own pockets. Who the hell authorized it?

henry

CNBC @CNBC
now

GOP’s Ron Johnson: Trump told me he’d get me information I need to propose a fix to the Senate tax bill

Old Lurker

I agree with Jane.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Jane,

I agree! When I heard about that fund, I think fire shot out of my eyeballs!

Somebody needs to go over the budget and find out where that came from!

henry

The bill was higher when Kennedy and Dodd were in office.

Old Lurker

I think somebody who wants to be the next Drudge should create a website where anybody can post any sexual accusation they like against any elected official or their staff from any time in history. Offer prizes if any claim results in a conviction, firing or lost election.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

ALERT! THERE IS PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE!!!

http://www.kabc.com/2017/11/16/leeann-tweeden-on-senator-al-franken/

Porchlight

Former Gadsden Mall manager says Moore was never banned.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/todays-fakenews-update-former-gadsden-alabama-mall-manager-roy-moore-not-banned-mall-video/

henry

Al Franken groper.

Old Lurker

Only a loser like Franken would cop a feel through a flak jacket.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Old Lurker,

True, but it is STILL photographic evidence of sexual assault. LOL!

Let's see how McConnell handles THIS!

Porchlight

Long, but I thought this comment from T_D was interesting. For Appalled, if he's reading.

[–]HuggableBear 59 points 12 hours ago

A woman who grew up in Gadsden called into a local radio show today and was talking about life back then.

It's basically an incredibly poor, rural community exactly like what you imagine when you hear the word Alabama. This woman got married at 15 to a man who was 26, with the blessing of both their parents. Six of the girls in her grade at high school dropped out to do the same thing.

In these rural towns 40 years ago, girls didn't go to college. If they worked, they worked as a grocery store cashier. The goal of almost every one of them was to marry someone who could provide for them and pop out some kids. That meant finding someone established and successful, and that meant not wasting your energy on kids your age. There was no point worrying about schooling, you weren't going to use it anyway. Your job as a teenage girl in your physical prime was to find an older man to marry and then get pregnant ASAP.

This is exactly what is being described about Moore in the seemingly legit accusations. He dated younger girls. Why? Because everyone was. By the time you were 30 in Gadsden, Alabama in the 70's, you were a spinster and you were going to die with your cats. Moore was one of the most eligible bachelors in town. Of course he was dating everyone's daughters, their mothers were setting them up with him hoping he would give their daughter a decent life where she could be a house wife and a mom and not need to sling pie at the Waffle House to help make ends meet.

Moore isn't denying those allegations. He says he doesn't remember these particular girls but he dated a lot of girls back then, mostly at the behest of their mothers.

The 14 year old he has denied vehemently from the word go and this idiot with the forged signature is clearly lying too. Those are the only two I care about and they both appear to be false. The other "accusations" are literally nothing more than "he dated the same girls the other men in town dated."

Like, where do people think the stereotypes of Alabama come from? This was life down there back then, it's still that way in a lot of towns down here, and it wasn't at all weird or creepy back then, not to them. To the rest of us we just shake our heads and laugh about rednecks, but that's their life. You can't judge a man harshly for living the life he grew up in.

Beasts of England

If only JOM had a commenter from northeast Alabama to provide his or her own unique insight to events on the ground...

henry

ACA, screwing business, as usual. This time a tax on health plans (3% of premiums) on top of all the premium increases from ACA regulations that have annual double digit increases.

Porchlight

We're all ears, Beasts. :)

Beasts of England

Dang it, Porchlight, ya done stole my thunder!! :)

Appalled

Looks like the partisan rubber just met the road, as charges about Al Franken have just come out...

James D.

Subtle, Beasts. Very subtle!

Porchlight

The above comment also explains precisely why Moore having dated teenagers in his late 20s and early 30s would never have been an issue in his prior elections, because it would have been the same thing so many other Alabama men would have done at the same age....including Democrats.

Porchlight

Sorry, Beasts! I'm genuinely interested in any commentary you can share. Including how you think this is being perceived by voters.

jimmyk

Hey Beasts, were you under the impression an invitation is required? Out with it!

cheerleader

Hello Beasts,

I've been checking in regularly to read unique insights from Alabama.

cheerleader

I read a thread yesterday, can't remember where, where there were several comments stating that surprisingly, Moore has a lot of support from gays.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

You know, I graduated from high school in 1966. Quite a few gals quit school early to get married, some because they had to, including the head of the cheerleading squad. This was suburban Indianapolis.

Probably only about 20% of the girls I graduated with went to college. Most got jobs with the phone company or insurance companies and married within a couple of years.

Small town Indiana was more like Alabama at that time. It's so easy for people to forget how things were then, and younger people have no idea how much things have changed.

JimNorCal

Jack is Back! | November 16, 2017 at 09:49 AM

A well stated question, and clearly no one here has an answer. All I saw in response was along the lines of "Moore has the right enemies".

I'm in that camp too. The Dem/media/GOPe maneuvers have my dander up. Judge Moore may very well prove to be a loose cannon. At this point though, I'm in a "they came for white Christians and I did nothing" viewpoint. Certainly, giving the seat to a Dem through withheld support, or allowing elites to dictate the outcome is a bad solution.

Beasts of England

I'm just messing with you, Porch!! Your pasted article is on point. There's no one I know - and I do mean no one - who could ever care about Allred or her phony bullshit. Not one.

And, again, Strange would have won the runoff had Mitch not dumped millions of dollars in bogus negative ads against Moore. And, again once more, Southerners hate nothing more than outsiders trying to tell us what to do. It has the opposite effect.

re: Bannon and the idea that Moore is his 'candidate' - Roy has been running for higher office for decades. Bannon has nothing substantive to do with this race.

Bottom line: if Roy doesn't win by at least ten points (assuming the election occurs as planned) then I'll keep my boat in dry storage all next season. Mark it down.

And that chinless [redacted] McTurtle can rot in Hell.

Beasts of England

Heck, jimmyk, I was hoping Maguire would send me a retainer out of his yuge JOM slush fund!!

 narcisoyea

In my neck of the woods, crickets


https://pjmedia.com/trending/florida-anarchist-planned-blow-first-responders-homemade-explosives/

Old Lurker

Jimmy "Hey Beasts, were you under the impression an invitation is required?"

Low hanging fruit there, Jimmy.

Appalled

Porchlight:

My wife came from one of those kind of communities (Southwestern Virginia), so you are engaging in a little "ruralsplaining" there, whether you meant to or not.

I don't like the Moore charges, because there is really nothing you can do with them. I see a guy who, in his 30s, liked them young, living in a culture where liking them young wasn't unusual. (Parts of the Evangelical culture where Moore comes from also does not have a problem with older man dating and marrying much younger.)

There have been two stories, which, if true, are disturbing, and a third which, if true, earned Mr. Moore a slap in the face. But there's no way to prove any of those stories true, there are no stories of Mr. Moore using his power as a judge or a prosecutor to take advantage of women, and there is nothing that dates to our current century. And finally, the two disturbing stories and the rump pinching story aren't all that similar -- and these guys always seem to act in a pattern.

So, as I have said, if you are inclined to vote for Mr. Moore, I wouldn't change your mind over this.

Beasts of England

'...living in a culture where liking them young wasn't unusual.'

I'll drink to that!!

 narcisoyea

The most recent accuser has a dodge past as well, they seem to pulling a duke lacrosse or if you will tailhook. One needs a chiropractor to identify the current democratic stance.

Old Lurker

"seem to pulling a duke lacrosse or if you will tailhook"

Because they never pay a price for playing that card. (flunkies might, but never the man behind the curtain)

Hence my suggestion of the wood chipper.

DIAWC

Porchlight

so you are engaging in a little "ruralsplaining" there, whether you meant to or not.

Appalled, I pasted someone else's comment which itself claimed to paraphrase the remarks of someone who grew up in Gadsden.

Thanks for the response.

jimmyk on iPhone

OL, I was just worried my invitation had gotten lost in the mail.

James D.

Via Insty:

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/detroit-police-officers-fight-each-other-in-undercover-op-gone-wrong

And this is (one reason among many) why I totally oppose asset forfeiture laws. Talk about bad incentives:

Sources say it started when two special ops officers from the 12th Precinct were operating a “push off” on Andover near Seven Mile. That is when two undercover officers pretend to be dope dealers, waiting for eager customers to approach, and then arrest potential buyers and seize their vehicles.

But this time, instead of customers, special ops officers from the 11th Precinct showed up. Not realizing they were fellow officers, they ordered the other undercover officers to the ground.

FOX 2 is told the rest of the special ops team from the 12th Precinct showed up, and officers began raiding a house in the 19300 block of Andover. But instead of fighting crime, officers from both precincts began fighting with each other.

Sources say guns were drawn and punches were thrown while the homeowner stood and watched.

There's so much wrong here I don't even know where to begin. But maybe with this:

I thought the point of undercover stings was to catch the person selling/providing the illegal service (be it drugs, prostitution, gambling, whatever), not the customers.

And I thought the justification for seizing assets (like vehicles) was that they were assumed to be the fruits of the crimes. You can argue that a drug dealer's fancy car was likely bought with money he made selling illegal drugs. But I don't see any possible justification for seizing assets from the buyers, unless the idea is that if you are charged with ANY crime, the state should get to go through your possessions and take whatever it feels like, because you're a Bad Guy.

Porchlight

Didn't Allred also represent Crystal Mangum? If not in court, at least in a PR fashion?

Davod

Beasts.

"Bottom line: if Roy doesn't win by at least ten points (assuming the election occurs as planned) then I'll keep my boat in dry storage all next season. Mark it down.."

Is that where you keep your cable TV.

cheerleader

Thank you, Beasts, I'm super glad that's how you think it'll turn out.

pagar, a bacon, ham and sausage supporter

"Let's see how McConnell handles THIS!"

Probably head up the Franken for President committee.

http://www.newsweek.com/franken-trump-2020-election-655143

IMO, there is no excuse for Franken being allowed to continue in the US Senate with the picture that Miss Marple (10:25) and Henry (10:27)
put up. IMO, he should be gone by nightfall.

Old Lurker

Agree, James. It drives me bonkers when a genuinely good person like Jeff Sessions attributes to others his own sense of honor and values. So Sessions can "LOVE that program" because he cannot accept that others will certainly abuse it. That blind spot is why he is the wrong AG at this point in history.

Porchlight

Beasts, putting your boat up for the season? Although it isn't a bet, I certainly appreciate the seriousness of the statement. :)

Davod

Much in the fox in the hen house Dodd Frank Act,

McConnell will put Franken in charge of a bill to ban totally all forms of sexual exploitation. (Excluding Congress).

JimNorCal

I think henry posted this, worth taking a moment to reflect on the velocity of change, political change, culture change.
I think we've passed a tipping point. In the past, men would see how far they could get. Women might not like it, but they were at least expecting it, prepared for it.
Don't think that will fly in the future.
https://mobile.twitter.com/CollegeFix/status/931153128841535488
Students deface MLK chapel to protest rape culture.

pagar, a bacon, ham and sausage supporter

I wonder how many times that Franken groping proof picture would have to appear on Facebook before some Democrat Senator would decide to say they didn't want him in the Senate?

exdemocrat

based on the comments relayed by Porch and those from Mr Beasts himself, i would conclude that the subject on which to attack Moore was chosen by the swamp after rejecting their first inclination to attack him for having a funny accent.

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