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February 20, 2018

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GUS

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GUS

Mr Sorkin should arrange these banks to #neveragain on HITLER'S birthday. And they could have cake too.

Old Lurker

reposting for Maryrose:

Henry "For those waiting for Elmer's alarm to go off, remember who pays for all the lawyers of these govt shitheads: same as WI, we do."

And then just today Manafort has complained to the court that Mueller is attempting to "drain his resources" so he has to plead guilty. He says soon he will have to default on his mortgages.

Femall.

DebinGA

Bank of America headquarters is in Charlotte, NC

Momto2

anonamom - Prayers for your mom today!

James D.

From the prior thread, re: a survey of political scientists about Presidents:

In their last survey in 2014, Obama was rated 18th, meaning he moved up 10 spots in four years. Trump took the bottom spot once occupied by James Buchanan, the president before Abraham Lincoln as the country neared the Civil War.

If there was a better argument for never, ever taking political scientists - or political science - seriously ever again; and for cutting off every penny of Federal money to poli-sci programs (and students), I can't imagine what it would be.

henry

Banks are all captured by regulators in DC/NY. No local banks will go against that. We know this because the Obama admin already cracked down on gun shops. Besides, it's VisaNet that controls retail sales (or not) of damn near anything. VisaNet isn't out in the sticks... it has allied with CFPB for joint abuse of consumers and the elimination of cash.

(hehehe... ranting is fun)

anonamom

Thanks all. Halfway done.

henry

btw, Van Der JustIndicted's boss in the Ukraine stuff? A Somehow NotIndicted Greg Craig.

𝚌𝚑𝚒𝚕𝚕 @chiIIum
Replying to @chiIIum

The Skadden team that worked on behalf of Ukraine was headed by Gregory Craig, a partner who had worked as President Barack Obama’s White House counsel from 2009 to 2010 and for President Bill Clinton during his impeachment.

Rocco

From TM's link

There is precedent for credit card issuers to ban the purchase of completely legal products. Just this month, JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup and Bank of America banned the use of their cards to buy Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.

JPMorgan Chase has changed it's mind about bitcoin.

Bitcoin surges above $10,000 as JPMorgan openly praises Bitcoin.

JPMorgan and its CEO, Jamie Dimon, have always had a harsh stance on Bitcoin. Dimon famously even called Bitcoin a fraud. But in a surprising turn of events, JPMorgan has started to back Bitcoin and even advises its clients to purchase Bitcoin ETFs.

https://stopthefud.wordpress.com/2018/02/15/jpmorgan/

Threadkiller

Here is another great idea from the financial district:


RICK SANTELLI:

No, no, it's about rights. And I understand. Maybe we need more of an independent process for background checks. You know, I come from a trading background.

CHUCK TODD:

Right.

RICK SANTELLI:

30 years ago, when I became a member of an exchange, they did an extensive search.

CHUCK TODD:

Sure.

RICK SANTELLI:I had to pay for it. Maybe if you want to get a gun, you should have choices, independent groups do the background checks. Maybe we should come up with a FICO score if you're a good citizen. If you get a good FICO score, you get good credit.

CHUCK TODD:

Yeah.

RICK SANTELLI:

Rate citizenship based on age, how many tickets you've had, things you've been in trouble. And they have a score. Instead of looking at the criminal side that doesn't follow law, anyway, try to assuage people that are worried that this is nibbling away at their freedoms, make them more comfortable with the solution. Nobody seems to take that approach.

CHUCK TODD:When nobody seems to even want to have a hearing. Yeah.

RICK SANTELLI:

But it's crazy. Something does have to be done.

Enjoying Obama's economy? You're welcome!

WARNING DUDA POST****WARNING DUDA POST*****

I've seen the plans for the proposed camps and they're impressive. I listened to an F.B.I agent explain to us at the DNC meeting how only the most politically active people will be tagged....media,people on blogs and chat groups,people who belong to issue driven organisations. We all felt better when he told us the final number and it wasn't that high.


Then he said something which really stuck with me. He said "Sometimes if you want to protect democracy you have to destroy it".

Old Lurker

Who knew this was a crime? Hillary, anybody?

"The indictment against Alex Van der Zwaan also accuses him of deleting or otherwise not producing emails sought by the Special Counsel's office, which is investigating possible ties between President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign and Russia."

If you made this up as a movie, nobody would believe it.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

I think parking tickets and how old you are should determine whether you're subjected to cruel and unusual punishment and whether the government can take your property without compensation as well.

Davod

"And then just today Manafort has complained to the court that Mueller is attempting to "drain his resources" so he has to plead guilty."

Is this what happened to Flynn?

henry

Van Der Zwaan tied to McCain as his conduit to Russia?

According to two former senior US diplomats who served in the Balkans, Davis and his lobbying firm, Davis Manafort, received several million dollars to help run Montenegro’s independence referendum campaign of 2006. The terms of the agreement were never disclosed to the public, but top Montenegrin officials told the US diplomats that Davis’s work was underwritten by powerful Russian business interests connected to the Kremlin and operating in Montenegro.

That bit ties McCain, Manafort & Russia together via McCains campaign manager Davis.

The rest of the article is all about McCain and Derepaska (Van Der Zwaal's father in law).

https://www.thenation.com/article/mccains-kremlin-ties/

clarice

Yes, David.

Old Lurker

Davod, legal fees can bankrupt all but the very richest among us. The government knows that of course and uses that against citizens all the time.

henry

OL, just ask Dr J about that.

Extraneus

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/gun%20free%20zone.jpg

Davod

I believe they have frozen Manafort 's funds. Some smart, or maybe not so smart, lawyer should attack the law that allows the Feds to do this before you have been found guilty.

Yes. I know that legally they are probably allowed to freeze funds. But wouldn't it be great if one of the results of the Mueller travesty is overturning the law.

Old Lurker

I know, Henry!

And as DrJ will attest, the fear of running out of money not to mention the fear of being accused and maybe convicted of doing something wrong before their peers (loss of face) has driven more than a few people of the cliff.

Bullies know that. Bullies with free lawyers and badges know that more than most.

Old Lurker

Davod, Elmer Fudd loves the Civil Asset Forfeiture Law just for that reason. Disarm the target then go in with guns blazing.

Old Lurker

Rush had a segment a few months back in which he was explaining the difference between Billionaires, Centimillionaires, regular millionaires vs other people.

His point to which I subscribe 110% is that among his friends, even people worth $300-400 million, they all secretly worried that the government could take it all away from them. He noted that that fear seemed just as strong with simple millionaires all the way up to centimillionaires. Among his friends, only real Billionaires seemed to think they were rich enough to fight off even the government.

That is the reality we have created.

Momto2

Surprise, Surprise!! (said in Gomer Pyle's voice)

‘Concerned’ Mom & Creator of National School Walkout Protest for Gun Control Was Top CNN News Producer for Almost 20 Years

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Brought over from last thread, especially given the title of this thread;

I haven't been too receptive to the calls for the breakup of the Silicon Valley oligarchs but the always worthwhile Joel Kotkin makes the best and most compelling reason to do so: From Disruption to Dystopia; Silicon Valley Envisions the City of the Future

All the robber barons wanted to do was sell us stuff. These creeps are taking the old dystopian movie Metropolis as a blueprint not a warning.
Very occasionally, as in trade also, there are societal and political and security concerns which transcend free market considerations. As in trade it is often an illusion that we are even discussing the free market when what we're really dealing with is state capitalism, AKA Fascism.


Highly recommended read.

Momto2

Ha!

Fox News‏Verified account
@FoxNews
Michael Moore participated in anti-Trump rally allegedly organized by Russians

Ralph L

Wasn't there speculation that Mueller was threatening Flynn's son before the plea?

Ralph L

state capitalism, AKA Fascism.

Then there are the beneficent "public-private partnerships" that were so popular in the 90's. At least the Fascists were open about what they did.

Beasts of England

Prayers for your mom, anonamom. :)

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
1h1 hour ago

A woman I don’t know and, to the best of my knowledge, never met, is on the FRONT PAGE of the Fake News Washington Post saying I kissed her (for two minutes yet) in the lobby of Trump Tower 12 years ago. Never happened! Who would do this in a public space with live security......


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
55m55 minutes ago

....cameras running. Another False Accusation. Why doesn’t @washingtonpost report the story of the women taking money to make up stories about me? One had her home mortgage paid off. Only @FoxNews so reported...doesn’t fit the Mainstream Media narrative.

Beasts of England

Is there a 'No Bashing Sessions' section on The Ledge™? Asking for a friend... ;)

Beasts of England

I mean, it may be a very lonely section...

Momto2

Wasn't there speculation that Mueller was threatening Flynn's son before the plea?

I remember that, Ralph. It was said he took the plea deal to save his son from expensive litigation.

matt - deplore me if you must

I think that I mentioned a friend is in the boat transport and insurance business. If you want to move your dinghy or your 200 footer, he's the man.

A lot of Russian oligarchs now have yachts parked in safe havens just in case Mr. Putin decides to seize their assets. Heaven knows what is on board.But there are usually men with guns involved.

The state has ultimate power and can do what it pleases, not much of that related to justice sometimes. That is what is so scary about the Left.I think Zuckerberg and Brin want that ultimate control. Transnational, opaque, unaccountable.

henry

The "FL student" used by CNN apparently lives in CA. some bus ride each morning.

https://twitter.com/sonny_dayze/status/965976642312011778?s=12

Old Lurker

Beasts, I think we can assign you the room where we store the rope ladder we will use to rescue RG when he becomes the last man standing who defends Sessions.

:-)

Beasts of England

You're the best, OL!! :)

Threadkiller

Cashill:

Mexican Nationals Meddled and Colluded in the 2016 Election

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/02/mexican_nationals_meddled_emandem_colluded_in_the_2016_election.html

Extraneus

I would defend Sessions on the leak investigations he talked to Maria Bartiromo about the other day. He seemed to know a lot about them and claimed to be personally directing much of the activity. I believe he mentioned there were 27 separate investigations ongoing.

cathyf

I'm still wondering where China was in all of this. After the shenanigans in the 90's, where Bill & Hilary & Al were wholly-owned subsidiaries of Charlie Trie et al, we are really supposed to believe that the Chinese totally lost interest?

Extraneus

He seemed very serious about taking down some big game.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Canadian moose checking on bobsled competition:

https://twitter.com/i/moments/965949531228704768

DebinGA

Dems doubling down on stupid with a "Don't believe your lying eyes" appeal to voters enjoying the R-DT tax bill benefits, which all Dems voted against.

Janet 🚬 -  I wish my family had a poncho

Here's that link again - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-20/skadden-arps-lawyer-is-charged-with-role-in-u-s-russia-probe

Ya know...what if a Mueller started digging into the EB-5 visa scams run by Hillary's brother & McAuliffe? ...& Reid?

WTF is this? - "Alex Van Der Zwaan was charged Feb. 16 with lying to the FBI and Mueller’s office about conversations related to his work on a report prepared by his law firm on the legitimacy of the criminal prosecution of a former Ukrainian prime minister, Yulia Tymoshenko."

And who cares??

JimNorCal

Yay! Another TM "flailing NYT" reference!

And GUS, regardless of where your comment is placed, you're always number 1 with me!

Steve Green at Insty notes the Dems running "a pro-gun, pro-union, pro-drilling Democrat" in PA. And he makes the commonplace observation that these so-called moderates wind up voting "in favor of ObamaCare, Dodd-Frank, etc." once they set up shop in DC.

How come OUR congress critters can't become dependable conservatives? Why do so many of ours become squishes? Grrr.

Janet 🚬 -  I wish my family had a poncho

Exactly, cathyf.

Chinese were lining up for those EB-5 visas.

How bout Sid Blumenthal & his business dealings in Libya?

Any sketchy contacts or business dealings with Iran?...who knows? Our intell. agencies are mired in nonsense.

henry

JimNorCal, maybe our Congress critters are run by the Dems too? (OK, Uniparty anyway).

Extraneus
Van Der Zwaan allegedly told Mueller and the FBI that he last spoke with Gates in mid-August 2016. Mueller wrote in the indictment that the lawyer knew he spoke with Gates in September 2016.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/02/guilty-plea-in-another-mueller-process-crime-prosecution-unrelated-to-trump-campaign-or-russian-meddling

Davod

CathyF.

You raise an interesting issue that many deride. China was never part of the end of the Cold War as such. The Chinese have spies and fellow travelers in place in the USA and have and probably continue to conduct industrial, economic and political espionage, in the USA and around the world.

China has used its economy to rebuild its interests around the world including the areas surrounding the Silk Roads.

I find it hard to believe that China is not using its technological resources to increase the enmity between the US and Russia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road

DebinGA

Anyone with kids in upper level competitive swimming should be aware that "100s of USA swimmers were sexually abused for decades and the people in charge knew and ignored it, investigation finds". Incomprehensible to me.

Davod

"How come OUR congress critters can't become dependable conservatives? Why do so many of ours become squishes? Grrr."

Probably because they keep the same staff as the previous incumbent. Many years ago I recall being amazed that an incoming Republican senator, who was replacing a pretty left wing senator, indicated that there would be few staff changes.

Extraneus

Probe into anti-Trump dossier expands to find out what Obama knew

The chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence released a letter on Tuesday that is being sent to as many as two dozen senior leaders in the Trump and Obama administuatrions.

The California Republican is asking 10 questions to gauge who received the dossier information and what they did with it.

...

The letter’s recipients are redacted. But it is assumed they are going to leading Obama officials, such as former CIA Director John Brennan and ex-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.

One question asks, “When and how did you first become aware of any of the information contained in the Steele dossier?”

And, “Was President Obama briefed on any information contained in the dossier prior to Jan. 5, 2017.”

Then-FBI Director James Comey personally briefed Mr. Trump on the dossier on Jan. 6.

Buckeye

Anonamom, praying that all goes well with your mom's surgery today.

I am sure she has a great advocate keeping a sharp eye on the sawbones.

Let is know how it turns out.

exdemocrat

not sure what to make of this, but maybe a few nuggets in here regarding the Ukrainian angle re collusion:

https://archive.is/n1Jn4

Extraneus

Liberal Harvard Law Prof Wants To Lower Voting Age To 16

“Teens between 14 and 18 have far better BS detectors, on average, than ‘adults’ 18 and older. Wouldn’t it be great if the voting age were lowered to 16?” Tribe asked on Twitter. “Just a pipe dream, I know, but . . . #Children’sCrusade?”

Scientific research has shown that the decision-making part of people’s brains typically don’t fully mature until around age 25.

Tribe was once a respected constitutional law professor but has since become known for spreading baseless conspiracy theories about President Trump and Russia.

I think his guns should be confiscated at this point.


Jack is Back!

Isn't Mueller practicing the old game of indicting "the highest ranking person unable to defend himself" in order to get them to cough up bigger fish? So far, no one has turned as far as I can tell, not even Manafort, who has had to sell his Hampton's home.

And if Elmer hadn't recused himself, this SC thingy would have never happened regardless of Comey's and Rosenstein's manuevers.

Captain Hate

Best wishes for your mom, a-mom.

henry

JiB, Mueller does have a knack for indicting people outside of the US (13 Russians, Papodapolis and Van Der Zwaal in England). Avoids nasty court decisions against himself that way (see Flynn).

GUS

Maybe they could indict Snowden.

henry

GUS, might as well indict Vlad at this point.

GUS

Rodham, Rice, Power et al not indicted.

Buckeye

If the age to buy a gun is raised to 21, so should the voting age.

Much more harm has been done in voting booths.

boatbuilder

The virtue-signalling corporations and banks have let the prog camel's nose into the tent. They will soon come to deeply regret it, if they haven't already.

lurkersusie

Brought tears to my eyes,

U.S. Military Academy West Point is posthumously admitting Florida school shooting victim Peter Wang, who dreamed of attending the prestigious academy.

Wang could have been in the Class of 2025. The 15-year-old’s funeral is today.

West Point will confer a letter of admission, along with honorarium tokens, to his family, local West Point alumni Chad Maxey said.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-school-shooting-peter-wang-funeral-20180220-story.html

Bubarooni

From what I heard on the radio earlier today the latest, greatest #metoo thingamabob is some talentless, washed up hack named Jill Abramson pushing 'the case to impeach Clarence Thomas'.

If the Repubs could capture just a few additional seats in the house and in the senate during the midterms it'd mark a wholesale repudiation of the left. That'd leave a mark even the MFM would have trouble spinning.

I suppose they could push a fake Russki collusion/intervention meme.


GUS

We should never have rebuilt Germany. It's going THE FULL COMMIE.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/german-war-planes-grounded-eco-gas/

GUS

PETER WANG does he have a brother named DICK?

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--Isn't Mueller practicing the old game of indicting "the highest ranking person unable to defend himself" in order to get them to cough up bigger fish? So far, no one has turned as far as I can tell, not even Manafort, who has had to sell his Hampton's home.--

The slight problem he has to overcome is when you indict people for lying about legal activities or about bank shenanigans they themselves undertook, there are no bigger fish to fry and no one to turn on.
Rather than frying big fish Mueller at this point is in the phase where he snags as many small fry scalps as he can to justify not getting canned and laughed out of town.

boatbuilder

What Sorkin is proposing would seem to be the textbook definition of Fascism. Using corporate power and control to curtail the exercise of constitutional rights by American citizens. I doubt that ever crossed his mind. I bet he's proud of himself.

Rocco

Since car accident fatality rates are 2.7 times higher for children aged 16-19, maybe we should raise the legal driving age too. It only makes sense since these fatalities are much greater than are the ones from guns.

henry

Rocco, since they don't have to buy their own insurance until they are 16, maybe keep them from voting, drinking, buying guns, or sitting outside their car seats until then.

henry

make that 26

GUS

Born and raised in NEW YORK CITY, worked for the fucking NEW YORK SLIMES since he was 17. Cornell grad.

FUCK YOU SORKIN, and the horse you rode in on.

Rocco

henry, throw abortion in there too, even better.

GUS

They aren't FORCED to buy insurance until DEC 31, the year before they turn 27.

Beasts of England

That's wonderful, lurkersusie - thanks for sharing it...

GUS

Mueller has the authority to go after RODHAM, STEELE, SIMPSON and anyone else connected with the DOSSIER. The DOSSIER was specifically created to interfere with OUT ELECTION.
SPECIFICALLY made up and paid for to interfere with our election.

James D.

What Sorkin is proposing would seem to be the textbook definition of Fascism. Using corporate power and control to curtail the exercise of constitutional rights by American citizens. I doubt that ever crossed his mind. I bet he's proud of himself.

I also doubt it crossed his mind that his approach could be applied to products and services other than guns.

Say, over the counter contraceptives? Or abortion services?

I wonder what he'd think about the Trump Administration putting pressure on banks and credit card processors to refuse to do business with drugstores that sell the "plan B" pill, for example.

James D.

The virtue-signalling corporations and banks have let the prog camel's nose into the tent. They will soon come to deeply regret it, if they haven't already.

I see no evidence of that. If they're big enough, their cronies in DC will keep bailing them out indefinitely.

And even if not, the Chief Virtue-Signalling Officers will have golden parachutes to insulate themselves from the consequences of their decisions, unlike their employees, shareholders and customers who depend on their products/services.

GUS

JamesD, don't be silly we are supposed to PAY for those pills out of our taxes. It's a wymyns right!!

Beasts of England

Speaking of liberal fascism, guess who said this:

'If all the sudden you couldn't buy an AR-15, what would you lose? Would you feel your second amendment rights would be eroded? These are the things that have to be looked at and action has to happen.'

Here's a hint: his dad was a _______.

henry

Base budgeting for WI? It's about time. Each agency has to justify every penny of budget request, none of this rolling 5% crapola anymore.

https://twitter.com/MacIverWisc/status/966022611833704448

clarice

lurkersusie, broke my heart, too.

DebinGA

WI has no gubernatorial term limits. Hope Scott Walker has the job as long as he wants it.

clarice

The feds should do that too, henry..heck we don't even know how many bureaus and agencies we have or what they do.

hrtshpdbox

...Manafort has complained to the court that Mueller is attempting to "drain his resources" so he has to plead guilty.

I've never understood why, if they actually can't find pro bono counsel, someone doesn't just represent themselves - seems like a better shot than a guilty plea.

daddy

Good Morning. Sarah Huckabee Sanders presser coming up shortly. I'm guessing 10 questions on guns, 6 on Russian collusion, 2 on DACA.

jimmyk

some talentless, washed up hack named Jill Abramson pushing 'the case to impeach Clarence Thomas'.

IIRC, she's been going after (and smearing) Thomas for decades, like Ahab after Moby Dick. I hope with a similar outcome.

jimmyk

I've never understood why, if they actually can't find pro bono counsel

Washington DC is a company town. What do you think the prospects are for any attorney (and his firm) who would do this?

narciso

Craig, previously defended a HaitiAn oligarch, fitzmas of course is another skadden partner.

The report on tymochenko was in 2015 thereabouts so I don't know what molar is adding on about.

GUS

CLOWN OF THE DAY AWARD......

http://abc13.com/society/gun-owner-destroys-ar-15-after-florida-school-shooting/3110606/

This fuckwit thinks his gun was going to kill somebody. How would that happen?? Does it have a drivers license???

henry

GUS, that gun had an imbecile for an owner.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
2h2 hours ago

Main Street is BOOMING thanks to our incredible TAX CUT and Reform law. "This shows small-business owners are more than just optimistic, they are ready to grow their businesses."

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/20/small-business-confidence-hits-record-in-2018-after-tax-reform-win.html

Jack is Back!

Hate to be a contrarian about Peter Wang getting the posthumously appointed to West Point but even if his heroics deserved it what is the point? He doesn't know he was awarded an appointment. It is more "feel good" social conscious bull shit that the left leaning military academies have become.

Why not give him the Medal of Honor while we are at it?

I hate taking this stand but I have lost fellow air brothers who did a hellva lot more than protecting classmates and they never even got Arlington burials.

I probably shouldn't even post this. Wang deserves recognition but this taking it too far. How about the JROTC Captain who herded his class back into the classroom and protected them with Kevlar sheets? Why not give him an appointment. At least he is still alive to appreciate it.

Basta!

clarice

It's a small but lovely gesture to his grieving family.

hrtshpdbox

Pro bono attorneys are usually out for the publicity, jimmyk; still better than a guilty plea.

Enjoying Obama's economy? You're welcome!

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And still the niggling question persists;why did the Kremlin so desperately want Donald to be President of the United States?


Why did Trump organisation change the Republican platform prior to the election essentially giving the Russians cart blanche in the Ukraine?


Why did so many Trump advisers meet with Russian government officials and then lie about their meetings?


Why won't Trump do anything about the reports that Russia intends to meddle in our up and coming elections? Nothing


Why won't Trump criticize Vladmir Putin like he criticizes his own American law enforcement and American intelligence agencies?


Why won't Trump enforce the sanctions against Russia or attacking us?

Jane

Curling on!

I wonder if North Korea has curling rinks? Apparently South Korea does.

jimmyk

Does the MSM actually think that the public is genuinely alarmed about a few Russian bots trolling on Facebook and Twitter? Yesterday I linked Max Boot comparing it to the 9/11 attacks.

This morning I had a lengthy dentist appointment and was subjected to CNN on the TV screen, and all they could talk about was how awful it was and why wasn't Trump doing anything about it. This was a picture of me:

More or less.

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