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February 02, 2018

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PDinDetroit

First?

PDinDetroit

Dossier used to obtain FISA warrants.

When the government hides warrants behind secret courts, the public should be afraid.

exdemocrat

Byron York

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House Intel memo officially declassified. One key point: The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the initial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page. Story posting soon.

exdemocrat

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House Intel memo key point: The FBI's Andrew McCabe confirmed to the committee that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information. Story posting soon.

Beasts of England

I think we've found the FBI's claimed 'material omission', but it's not the one they'd like us to think it is.

Extraneus

Where's the memo?

Extraneus

Not on the Intelligence Committee press release site:

https://intelligence.house.gov/news/

Dave (in MA)

If there was any justice in the world, a Taskforce team would already be in place with Omega authority from the Oversight Council, but alas...

Sue

The media is still saying it damages national security. Without say how. I see it damaging a few people’s careers.

henry

Did McCabe say whether the lack of a FISA warrant stopped them from spying on Trump et al? Didn't Adm Rogers catch them at that?

exdemocrat

"DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president."

presumably then, Ohr relayed this as a feature not a bug.

Jack is Back!

Imagine the information we would all be receiving if there was no Byron York, Kimberley Strassel, Sara Carter or Sheryl Attkinson?

We'd all be agreeing with DuDa. Actually, there would not reason for him to even show up here.

Sue

Shannon Bream reporting its about to be on house intel site.

Dave (in MA)

On Fake News it's the "disputed GOP-Nunes memo".

Pardo

"FOX Business‏Verified account
@FoxBusiness

.@POTUS on FISA memo: "It's terrible... I think it's a disgrace what's going on in this country... A lot of people should be ashamed of themselves."
9:07 AM - 2 Feb 2018"

https://twitter.com/FoxBusiness/status/959473387226779651/video/1

DebinNC

"it's a disgrace what's going on .."not "what went on"

narciso

so ever had puppies paws bleed because of a overtrip the nails.

exdemocrat

Pardo: the quote i saw had this at the end of yours: "...and much worse than that.”

exdemocrat

nice catch, Deb

DebinNC

Catherine Herridge reporting ...

henry

from the Washington Examiner piece, this seems like a dud. No tie higher than McCabe (conviently sent packing already). No mention of who got surveilled beyond Page. No mention of whether spying started before the FISA Warrant application. Simply they knew the dossier was fake at the get go, and used it to set up a narrative / cover for spying. Meh.

Bubarooni

from the last thread:

"Hey I used the term MS13NBC last week!!!"

Gus, my penchant for plagarizing is one of the least objectionable of my many faults.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Also, Catherine Herridge said that Fusion briefed several media outlets on the dossier, and then when those stories got printed in the press they used the stories, along with the dossier, as evidence for the FISA court.

Beasts of England

Turn on Rush if you haven't already. Bigly.

Hodo

This link was just posted at freerepublic. But it doesn't appear to load. Server overload?

Here it is:

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20180129/106822/HMTG-115-IG00-20180129-SD001.pdf

Extraneus

Why have Byron York and Catherine Herridge already written stories about what's in the memo that just got released, and to which there's no link?

#LetsSeeTheF'nMemo

exdemocrat

"the court was never told the #dossier was political opposition research"

And the court never asked??

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Lee Zeldin‏Verified account @RepLeeZeldin

W/out dossier, there would've been no FISA warrant. Was admitted under oath by McCabe. DOJ/FBI already knew dossier's source was unreliable & shouldn't be used, but filed applic w/it anyways. Waited until after to fire Steele. Then applied for extensions on warrant anyways.

Extraneus

Here's the memo:

https://www.axios.com/read-nunes-memo-fbi-doj-fisa-mueller-7fb8bcb7-1f18-4294-aa95-628d2f67bcdf.html

henry

exd, the court wasn't issued a rubber stamp with that question.

rich

Posted by: henry | February 02, 2018 at 12:20 PM

not so much cold water as an ice water bath.

figured the Carter Page business would be in there ... if they renewed it 3 times, that seems he was watched for about a year would it not?

he left the Trump Campaign in September '16?

Porchlight

Simply they knew the dossier was fake at the get go, and used it to set up a narrative / cover for spying. Meh.

Why? Just because we've speculated/known it all along, doesn't make it not a big deal. It is criminal.

Jane


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The House Intelligence Committee has released its controversial memo outlining alleged abuses of secret surveillance by the FBI and Justice Department in the Trump-Russia investigation. Here are some key points:

* The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the initial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page.

* Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information.

* The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications.

* DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president.

The FBI and Justice Department mounted a monthslong effort to keep the information outlined in the memo out of the House Intelligence Committee's hands. Only the threat of contempt charges and other forms of pressure forced the FBI and Justice to give up the material.

Once Intelligence Committee leaders and staff compiled some of that information into the memo, the FBI and Justice Department, supported by Capitol Hill Democrats, mounted a ferocious campaign of opposition, saying release of the memo would endanger national security and the rule of law.

But Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes never wavered in his determination to make the information available to the public. President Trump agreed, and, as required by House rules, gave his approval for release.

Finally, the memo released today does not represent the sum total of what House investigators have learned in their review of the FBI and Justice Department Trump-Russia investigation. That means the fight over the memo could be replayed in the future when the Intelligence Committee decides to release more information.

(From the examiner)

exdemocrat

ext - it hasn't been posted yet but since it's now declassified the congresscritters are free to speak to Herridge, York et al

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Larry Schweikart‏ @LarrySchweikart

Absolute conspiracy. FBI/DOJ used fraudulent/fake Steele dossier, then CORROBORATED IT WITH THE MEDIA---whom Steele had already leaked to.

They were reporting what Steele told them, then FBI used that reporting to corroborate . . . the dossier.

There's a hole in the bucket

Jane

Here is the link: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937

Appalled

henry:

There is something here that is bothering the life out of the left.

It may be the idea that all the FBI folks knew from the get go that the dossier was political oppo research, and that was used to start surveillance.

Dave (in MA)

I think the memo is bogus.
The bottom of p.1 contains the phrase "Honorable Adam Schiff".

Jane

I believe this is where it will be posted:

https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentquery.aspx?DocumentTypeID=27

Janet 🚬

Not everyone is a political junkie like us.

We've known about this for awhile now...but not most people.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Larry Schweikart
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3m3 minutes ago

Fusion GPS (the "Ugly" Part of "UglyOhr") continued to pass info to the FBI, add to the dossier, and MAKE THINGS UP.

Utterly disgusting. Entire top floor of FBI should be broomed.

daddy on iPad

No TV access, but Rush is doing a really fine job of 'splain' it all to Flyover country!

fdcol63

Dave - caught the reference! I just got through reading the latest Pike Logan book.

Clean house.

So fix it, Dear Liza, Dear Liza, so fix it, Dear Liza, Dear Liza, fix it.

Dave (in MA)

Don't tell me how it ends, fdcol63. I'm about 2/3 of the way through.

Sue

I think the big news is the FBI/DOJ uses news sources to back up their FISA warrants. And in this instance Steele was the source of the dossier and the source in the news stories.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Travis
‏ @KingBroly
3m3 minutes ago

Dana Boente signed a FIS Application against the Trump team

Dana Boente was recently hired by Christopher Wray of the FBI

Not a good look for Wray. AT ALL

Dave (in MA)

It mentions the affair between Strzok and Ms. Horse Mouth.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

𝒄𝒉𝒊𝒍𝒍‏ @overchiII

The FISA applications were signed on behalf of the DOJ by:

• Andrew McCabe (1)
• Sally Yates (1+)
• Dana Boente (1+)
• Rod Rosenstein (1+)
9:22 AM - 2 Feb 2018

Extraneus

Kind of meh, but I think it gives Trump and Sessions the opportunity to fire Rosenstein and Boente.

henry

OK, so a conspiracy which led to Rosenstein calling for the SC Mueller.

Any of the political types comment on that yet?

Sue

From someone on twitter, sorry for s no attribution

FBI used articles planted by Fusion GPS to corroborate the Steele dossier compiled by Fusion GPS, which they then leaked to produce more stories. There was a bouncing ball between media/govt/media to create and weaponize the Russia collusion narrative.

daddy on iPad

I dont have the time to read the memo since the movers are here Rush says the contents of the Memo are even more shocking and revolting than he expected. Rush says he is stunned that the FBI/DOJ did not try even harder to suppress its release!

Extraneus

So now that we've read the memo, what exactly was all the panic about?

fdcol63

The MFM will still poo-poo the memo and spin like a gyroscope to the Hard Left.

Besides their utter bias and complicity in this sham, it demonstrates just how incestuous their relationships with administration officials actually were, and how lazy they are at investigating anything and that they are too happy to be spoon-fed their stories by their incestuous partners.

henry

As in the entire Mueller SC appointment is now "fruit of the poisoned tree"? or is it still a "political" appointment?

daddy on iPad

Rush: "This is more damning than i expected it to be."

Sue

Catherine Herridge is like me, what’s the national security threat in releasing this?

Neo

I can now see how this will destroy the security of our nation and is an attack on law enforcement ... NOT

Extraneus

I think I get it. The panic is over whether the memo gives Trump the opportunity to fire Mueller.

Dave (in MA)
Howie Carr@HowieCarrShow
FBI MUST be abolished ASAP! Let the DEA and US Marshals service take over duties... but the only way to begin to cleanse the corruption is to totally destroy this most corrupt agency... crooked cops suck! #ReleaseTheMemo

Howie Carr@HowieCarrShow

FISA judge was NOT told that fake dossier was paid for Clinton w/Russian info. So the real collusion was FBI-Clinton-Russia to sink the opposition candidate.

Janet 🚬

Here - https://www.scribd.com/document/370598711/House-Intelligence-Committee-Report-On-FISA-Abuses#from_embed

I'm insecure.

Heh, Sue, these arrogant elite think they are the nation.

The threat to national security is the revelation that we are a banana republic.

Porchlight

So now that we've read the memo, what exactly was all the panic about?

Whose panic? The Dems? They don't want this out because this will spark further investigations that will lead to the media, to Clinton, and all the way to Obama.

Not only that, it blows Mueller out of the water altogether.

Neo

Dude, now I see collusion

#TheCriminalJamesComey
#TheCriminalSallyYates
#TheCriminalAndrewMcCabe
#TheCriminalRodRosenstein

Extraneus

Now I'd like to hear a statement from Sessions.

clara

Ext, Don't hold your breath.

Hodo

" what exactly was all the panic about?"

Maybe that a unverified/phony dossier was paid for the Dem party to use to get a FISA warrant to spy on opposition candidate team members. And the FBI knowing who paid for the dossier and hiding it from the FISA court. And FBI using media reports to support dossier knowing the media reports were sourced from steele. And everyone involved appeared to be driven by their hatred of Trump.

Aren't you the guy saying where is the proof dossier was used for FISA warrant or was it something else?

rich

it's nap time Ex.

Extraneus

I think it's the latter point you made that's most important, Porch. In their dreams, Mueller is going to take out Trump. He's their only hope. They can't even imagine that not happening. If Trump takes out Mueller, the lamentations will be epic.

Porchlight

Nap joke is real old.

exdemocrat

Kimberley Strassel

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And as predicted, we are also watching full on spin for why a FISA warrant isn't a big deal, the use of the dossier isn't a big deal, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. If it weren't so disingenuous, the predictability might be funny. #MemoDay

Porchlight

Yes Ext. Mueller's got nothing so far and now we know that the entire investigation was all based on Clinton campaign oppo which was known to be a lie when taken to FISA.

Buckeye

When McCabe, Rosenstein, Yates and Boente are lined up in front of the brick wall and handed a blindfold, the FISA court judge should join them for being so fucking stupid. Or corrupt, whatever the case may be.

Appalled

Some thoughts:

1. Trump won't be firing anybody tonight over this.The misconduct illustrated is by people who wouldn't be on the chopping block.

2. Ohr's conduct sounds inexcusable. He may wind up being the fall guy here for everything, as he was in a position to know, or should have known, about the funding of the dossier, and the bias of its source. It isn't clear to me any of the other named parties had that knowledge.

3. The process for securing FISA warrants is pretty terrible.

4. That last paragraph about Popodop stuff being in the FISA warrant is -- well, it raises questions. Lot's of them. I'd love to see a copy of that FISA application.

5. This isn't a sensational document on its face. That makes it a lot more credible. It's not a damp squib.

6. I am interested in what contrarians have to say here. (I am off to emptywheel, I think.)

Jane

Here it is:

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/memo_and_white_house_letter.pdf

Extraneus

Aren't you the guy saying where is the proof dossier was used for FISA warrant or was it something else?

Sure. All of that was suspected but not known until now. What's your point?

The memo doesn't say Trump was wiretapped, or that anyone was unmasked. IT doesn't implicate Obama or Lynch. I'm not sure it even accuses anyone of a crime.

I think the panic is over the prospect of losing their assassin, Mueller.

Dave (in MA)

The Intern Killer tweeted out "SATURDAY. NIGHT. MASSACRE.", so I guess they're starting to panic.

lurkersusie

The exact thing they've accused the Trump campaign of doing, they are guilty of. Colluding with a foreign entity to influence the election.

DebinNC

With Rosenstein outed as a bad actor with reasons to keep his malfeasance hidden, I don't see how his hand-picked fellow Dem traveler Mueller can remain in place and active.

exdemocrat

it might be a biggish deal to the 7 or 8 senior LE officials implicitly accused of a slew of serious federal crimes

Jane

Actually that appears to be letters and the other link crashes.

Trouble ahead, trouble behind.

The really terrible thing is the demonstration of how easy it is to create a narrative that is not true.

Despite the transparency of the internet, this is even more possible now than when The Big Lie was first used, and I'm afraid it is only going to get worse.

Do you have any idea how many people now ask their smartphone a question and believe the answer?

exdemocrat

"IT doesn't implicate Obama or Lynch."

wrong.

daddy on iPad

Way behind, but for folks who have not caught Rush a decent trick is google on your laptop later " Listen To Rush in Hawaii."The linked Hawaiian broadcast is delayed about 3 or 4 hours. Then hit listen and you can catch the whole show again.

Jack is Back!

Even Cavuto and his gang are already meh! over the memo. Of course, would not expect less.

Plus the media and the dems seem to think this is the end when I think its only the beginning.

Extraneus

The memo link is at 12:25, Jane.

Dave (in MA)

Wifebeater Punchable Face update:
https://pjmedia.com/trending/alan-grayson-gets-scuffle-politico-reporter-asking-questions-domestic-abuse/

That didn't turn out as I'd hoped.

henry

Jonathan Lemire @JonLemire
56m

In Oval Office just now, Trump is asked by reporters:

Does it make you more likely to fire Rosenstein? Do you still have confidence in him?

"You figure that one out," Trump responded

Jane

Geez Janet, I should have just looked above.

Porchlight

I'm not sure it even accuses anyone of a crime.

It's not a crime to lie to the FISA court? Why not?

For me it's easier to see this as the thin edge of the wedge. There will be more forthcoming. For example, how was this fraudulently obtained surveillance handled after it was captured? Who saw it, and what did they do with it?

The media are also in deep.

Neo

Wasn't Sally Yates who was telling us how having an independent institution like DOJ/FBI was more than a tradition.
Now we know why it's so important to keep it independent ... so it can be used as a partisan tool.

I just looked outside and the nation is still here. Would not have guess it by yesterday's rhetoric.

Appalled

All --

Rosenstein signed a FISA warrant approved and vetted and advocated for by others. The memo is not evidence, and does not show he knew much about the background of any of this. Same is true of Yates and even Comey.

Porchlight

Thanks for the tip, daddy. Gonna get busy at work in a little bit here.

Bubarooni

Tingles says it's a 'hit job' on the intelligence community.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

What I see is that the FBI knowingly produced false evidence to the FISA Court KNOWING it was poitically funded.

The FISA Court approval would have allowed communications monitoring and unmasking.

Rosenstein, as one who signed one of the FISA warrants, should not have been allowed to appoint Mueller, and should have recused himself like Sessions did.

Beasts of England

McCain says the 'attacks' on the FBI are doing the work of Putin. Die already, cocksucker.

Neo

I was struck by the stories that the FBI "experts" were able to verify the contents of the memo is record time .. minutes to seconds.

Obviously, the information within this memo was well known within the DOJ/FBI .. as least to those in important places.

matt - deplore me if you must

So, what in fact was the FBI so afraid of? The fought and the stonewalled and they enlisted very leftist mouthpiece they could to prevent this memo from seeing the light of day.

Adam Schiff (aka Latka)went to the wall. For what?

I am seeing a real Watergate parallel here. The cover up is as bad as the crime itself.

Jack is Back!

As I understand it there are only a few exceptions all the way back to 1978 (est. of FISC) of the court denying applications.

Let's remember "hiding the salami" is always what trips up the guy who stole it.

You know this memo hurts since McRino is taking the side of the FBI, DoJ, Schiff and Perez.

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