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March 09, 2018

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Beasts of England

Foist!

Extraneus

soda in Boston

Really? My cousins in Winthrop, right next door to Boston, always called it pop (pronounced poap, for some reason).

I'd point to the label and ask where it said "pop."

Robin

Comment from Powerline which I wish I had written:

I raised the question on the Althouse blog about Trump winning the Nobel. This was the smart comment by Althouse, “If it works out it will be in spite of Trump. If it does not, it will be because of Trump. Whatever happens will be understood as evidence of the badness of Trump.”

There will be no credit for Trump. Let’s hope he succeeds anyway.

Threadkiller

It is amazing what a Birther in the Oval Office can accomplish.

clarice feldman

rse--in Wisconsin and Mass. water fountains are called "bubblers" because the ones they used were made by a Wisconsin company which called them that. Learned this from the guy who started a multivolume work on local terms in the USA.

jimmyk

I recall Bostonians calling it "tonic." Pronounced something like "tawnic." I grew up calling it "pop." I've had maybe 12 oz of the stuff over the past 2 years, and don't miss it.

Jane

"Really? My cousins in Winthrop, right next door to Boston, always called it pop "

We called it "tonic" in MA.

PDinDetroit

For the record, while I might take the President to task for his statements on Rights, I voted for him, I support him, and I believe in him.

The NK situation really was going down this road all along, have to be blind to see it. Trump took a hardline stance, backed it up with action, and is "unpredictable" to a degree. The Olympics and South Korean positioning helped greatly also.

I was concerned at first about the combined North/South Korean Women's Ice Hockey team. For basically the whole world to cheer when the combined team scored their first goal, I believe resonated far beyond the walls of that arena. I believe The First Daughter being at the games was a HUGE HELP as well. I know that I am the eternal optimist (Glass is always full), but reunification of the Korean Peninsula is possible but only under the South Korean Government.

I believe it would go a long way in winning "hearts and minds" having humanitarian assistance being allowed to operate on a large scale in NK. Infect with love and freedom.

narciso

A dot on their balance sheet:

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1GB32H

narciso

Isikoff got stuck with his bag of cat litter

PDinDetroit

I posted where I am at at the end of the last thread. I am at the end of my last working "neuronic thread" as it were.

God speed and Carry On (yes, literally)

Appalled

It is amazing what a Birther in the Oval Office can accomplish.

The renunciation of birtherism?

https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/index.html

Seriously, and consistently, I will give props on how Trump has handled North Korea. Being reasonable with people whose strength is the unrelenting unreasonable doesn't work.

narciso


Keep your eye on the ball:


https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/03/08/russia_beyond.html

Beasts of England

Trump's Nobel Prize is gonna be yuge!!

Captain Hate

Seriously, and consistently, I will give props on how Trump has handled North Korea. Being reasonable with people whose strength is the unrelenting unreasonable doesn't work.

From not at Albright going forward, I can't believe any of those ninnies honestly believed what they did would work.

The Infamous Ignatz

Thank you Appalled.
I never read or listen to CNN, so I want to thank you for sending me over there where I looked at your link and a couple of others, and, despite the unreal Pravda atmosphere I have been made aware of, was still astonished at the propaganda they publish.
In each article I had to pause halfway through to see if there was an "Opinion" or "Analysis" header. There were none.
We are at the point where it is now plausible to argue Goebbels, the propagandist for the Holocaust, was as reliable and, astonishingly enough, as honest as the current CNN lunatics.

Threadkiller

The renunciation of birtherism?

No.

cathyf

A question for lawyers here...

If Trump were to pardon Obama and/or Hillary, could they be subpoenaed and forced to testify against all of the "lower-downs"?

Could they be subpoenaed and forced to testify against themselves in a civil asset forfeiture scenario?

(I'm curious as to how the pardon power interacts with the 5th amendment rights.)

Miss Marple the Deplorable

PDinDetroit,

ChiTown Lurker sends this link:

https://dizzy-doctor.com/index.php

Timothy Hainm MD.

ChiTown says he's the best in the business.

===================

I posted this at the end of the last thread but doubt you saw it.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Timothy Hain. I didn't see the error even though I proofread.

Old Lurker

"tonic" is not a recognized actual word unless preceded by "Gin and"

Davod

Let's fix this "Trump,[a billionaire hotel construction and real estate mogul, which led to at the same time being] a reality star, turned convention busting President,

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Mark Knoller
‏Verified account @markknoller
11m11 minutes ago

Switzerland quick to offer to host Trump/Kim Summit. Plenty of experience hosting such talks. Remember covering first Reagan/Gorbachev Summit in Geneva in 1985. Of course, Vegas yet to be heard from.
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Knoller has to get the snark in to maintain his street cred with CBS.

Davod

"I recall Bostonians calling it "tonic."

I thought tonic was another name for whatever clear alcohol a person was drinking when they did not want to let anyone know they were drinking alcohol.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/09/us-stock-futures-dow-data-nonfarm-payrolls-and-politics-on-the-agenda.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar

Dow up 250 as of 5 minutes ago

Man Tran

Re sodas and pop, about 40 yrs ago we had pals in RI and the word back there was cabinet. You have to say it out loud to get the joke.

And of course when hanging around our old pal the Coke heiress, coke meant Coke, but that’s what we asked for anyway. But you had to specify whether that included Royal Crown, or not. :)

Momto2

Continuing discussion of socks from last thread - I was recently on an escalator behind a young man and noticed not only was he not wearing socks (with dress shoes) but his pants were 2 to 3 inches too short!

When I mentioned this to my daughter (20's) she informed me this was now the "style!"



Tom R

From the previous thread:

About that Mueller is wearing a white hat idiocy:

Do you actually know what the topic of the conversation was when Mueller met with Trump for several hours the day before he was named Special Counsel? I certainly don't. I do think the timing makes it curious.

Depending on which media sources you choose to believe are factual, there is evidence Mueller is a Black Hat going after Trump and there is evidence he is a White Hat and might actually be going after the Clintons.

For those who believe Mueller is going after Trump, I don't think idiocy is involved since there is evidence supporting that belief.


Davod

The successful negotiations with NK will include removing the Nobel Peace Prize from the radical Socialist Norwegians and returning it to the almost as, but not quite as bad, Swedes.

Dave (in MA)
I recall Bostonians calling it "tonic."
True.
Pronounced something like "tawnic."
False.
Momto2

Sadly, I believe this to be true!

@NolteNC

PLEASE UNDERSTAND....

The MSM will do EVERYTHING in its power to straight-up SABOTAGE Trump in Korea.

The media is evil and would prefer a nuclear North Korea to a Trump legacy win.

matt - deplore me if you must

They al dress like Pee Wee Herman now, and have about the same sexuality.

Interesting that Obama gets a Nobel Prize for nothing and that Trump probably would not even if the deal was the best eval.

And it's called seltzer in Brooklyn.

Dave (in MA)
Re sodas and pop, about 40 yrs ago we had pals in RI and the word back there was cabinet.
In RI, cabinet is the term for a milkshake, usually coffee-flavored..
Dave (in MA)

Almost nobody under 60 calls it tonic anymore. It's going away along with the accent because of all the people we import from other areas of the country.

boatbuilder

I have always believed that Rodman went to North Korea with the blessing of the CIA, and that somewhere in his entourage were at least a couple of agents. As in the Ben Affleck movie about the film crew in Iran during the revolution (the name of which escapes me). I read Theodore Dalrymple's excellent book "On the Wilder Shores of Marx" about his travels in communist totalitarian dictatorships (which he was able to pursue because his parents were card-carrying British commies). It has a chapter on NoKo which describes the maniacal and all-pervading culture of surveillance and informants which makes a quasi-celebrity visit by Rodman and his gang one of the few ways to access the Kim regime.

jimmyk

Well, Dave, it certainly wasn't "tahnic" like a Michigander would say it.

Old Lurker

Tom R...I challenge you to back this up "there is evidence he is a White Hat and might actually be going after the Clintons."

In doing so you are not allowed to change the meaning of "evidence" to "speculation" or "hope and fairy dust".

matt - deplore me if you must

I would take Team America: World Police as a caution on dealing with North Korea.

Dave (in MA)
I was recently on an escalator behind a young man and noticed not only was he not wearing socks (with dress shoes) but his pants were 2 to 3 inches too short!
Their boyfriends find that look appealing.

Last week I noticed that one of our Man Bun hipsters had a sweater or jersey on that had extra long sleeves, and the sleeves had holes for his thumbs. I wonder if there are similar styles that have big toe holes at the bottom.

anonamom

Thanks for the new thread TM!

Everyone participated in the war effort. No one remembers.

I remember, and I wasn't even there!
My momma told us stories of peeling the (?aluminum?) foil off of gum wrappers to turn in, going from house to house on Saturdays with her wagon to gather the cans and foil.
She was 9-14 during The War, as she referred to it.
My grandma rolled bandages and sold bonds.

Her oldest sisters' husbands all were gone for the duration, so they moved back home. They took turns sleeping in the one free bed, as they worked different shifts.
Her brother served too. His wife was a Navy nurse.
My grandpa worked double shifts on the lines.

***
And I stand corrected by Jane---tonic is definitely what the nurses at BCH called pop; it was soda in corner stores in NYC.

boatbuilder

The Trump approach to North Korea--it works!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsZPWsVNTqo

Extraneus

I recall Bostonians calling it "tonic." Pronounced something like "tawnic."

You're right! I forgot about that, but tawnic it was. Not poap. Poap was their second choice before they had to admit defeat.

Davod

"but his pants were 2 to 3 inches too short!

And they all speak with squeaky voices. As befits the modern asexual, non-threatening man.

Tom R

Tom R...I challenge you to back this up "there is evidence he is a White Hat and might actually be going after the Clintons."

In doing so you are not allowed to change the meaning of "evidence" to "speculation" or "hope and fairy dust".

Certainly. I will answer you shortly.

In the meantime will you tell us what you think the topic was of the several hour conversation between Trump and Mueller the day before he was named Special Counsel? Do you really think Mueller was interviewing to become the FBI Director again?

Buford Gooch

There is a county next to mine that calls it "sody pop".

Sbwaters

... and refastened his knickers below the knees!

Captain Hate

There is a county next to mine that calls it "sody pop".

Aren't there southern regions that refer to almost all soft drinks as co-cola?

Dave (in MA)

https://discovermagazine.com/galleries/2013/june/regional-us-language-dialect

Pronunciation not included.

Davod

When the hood started wearing trousers that hung very, very, low. My first thoughts were that some entrepreneur had purchased a massive shipment of badly made trousers and created a market.

Just maybe the short trouser leg idea was created during Obama's austerity time by tailors who wanted to save money on material.

jimmyk

Their boyfriends find that look appealing.

I'm reminded somehow of the movie "Cage Aux Folles," which I thought was one of the funniest movies ever made. Too complicated to describe if you haven't seen the movie, but in one scene a young gay guy is posing as a butler, in a tux, but it's been so long since he wore actual shoes he has trouble pulling off the ruse.

Buford Gooch

Captain Hate, when we visited Florida many years ago, in a rather rural are of the state, the waitress asked my wife what she wanted to drink. My wife replied, "Coke." the waitress asked, "What kind of coke you want?" Confused, we asked what kind she had. Her reply was something along the lines of, "We have RC, we have orange, we have grape, and we have 'Cocola'."

narcisocenfl

The newsweak link, shows Forbes doesn't list billionaires from the kingdom because their source of income isn't reliable.

jimmyk

My first thoughts were that some entrepreneur had purchased a massive shipment of badly made trousers and created a market.

The urban legend (maybe true) that I heard was that got its start from inmates getting their belts confiscated, and guys in the 'hood imitating that look.

Sbwaters

so long since he wore actual shoes

Brilliantly acted scene. Great movie.

Jack is Back!

Metro-sexual hipsters flood the Hamptons in the summer. Most are young Wall Street guys who grow a beard and mustache just for their time out here. Then when their 2 weeks or month are up, they shave, put on socks and return to the grind in the City.

Sort of like Bike week in Daytona, when thousands of surgeons, lawyers, stockbrokers, psychiatrists, and college professors, grow beards, put on extra weight, shave their heads, get temporary tatoos and wear leather vests and chaps, just to achieve that "rebel biker" look for 10 days.

How do I know this? Daytona News-Journal did a survey on Main St. one year and those were the top professions they tallied.

Extraneus

Interesting, Dave. So we won!

Captain Hate

In the meantime will you tell us what you think the topic was of the several hour conversation between Trump and Mueller the day before he was named Special Counsel? Do you really think Mueller was interviewing to become the FBI Director again?

Trump met with a lot of people over a year ago who haven't been friendly with him; Schumer, Comey and Romney, for example. Maybe they were nothing as much as getting an idea of what type of people he was dealing with.

Man Tran

Dave,

I don’t think we’re off the mark that much. When I was a kid, soda fountains had about ten syrup dispensers and a carbonated water spigot. Usually we asked for a Coke and got that plunger pushed. Sometimes we would ask for a graveyard and get a smaller squirt from each down the row. It actually tasted pretty bad, but it was usually a dare. Of course you could start with a scoop of ice cream, but our allowance was normally a bit short for that.

Jane

"Depending on which media sources you choose to believe are factual, there is evidence Mueller is a Black Hat going after Trump and there is evidence he is a White Hat and might actually be going after the Clintons. "

The problem with the white hat theory is who he named to his staff.

jimmyk

sbw, here's a clip (in French, though)--not the exact one I had in mind, where he puts on shoes for the first time, but later where they're trying to be "respectable":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-twBdrSEif4

Ralph L

The backwards ball cap allegedly came from pole smokers, not catchers--or not baseball catchers.

Tom R

Trump met with a lot of people over a year ago who haven't been friendly with him; Schumer, Comey and Romney, for example. Maybe they were nothing as much as getting an idea of what type of people he was dealing with.

None of those people you listed met with Trump under the guise that they were interviewing to become the next FBI Director.

Captain Hate

If I'm going to be accused of violating principles by saying Sessions shouldn't have recused himself, then let me state now that if Trump has orchestrated a taxpayer funded scam investigation by Mueller, I'll consider that a betrayal of every GD campaign promise he made to lead a transparent administration.

jimmyk

there is evidence he is a White Hat and might actually be going after the Clintons.

Exactly what evidence is that? I've seen precisely zero. And let's not count his meeting with Trump, which is not evidence of anything.

Captain Hate

Mueller was a terrible FBI director. Maybe DJT wanted to figure out what to avoid.

Dave (in MA)

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Old Lurker

Tom R "In the meantime will you tell us what you think the topic was of the several hour conversation between Trump and Mueller the day before he was named Special Counsel? "

Tom, while that meeting does seem to have occurred, I have been amazed how that totally, to this very day, secret meeting has been adopted by the 4D Chess crowd as proof of a secret white hat.

Extraneus

The only evidence I can think of, and it's extremely indirect, was Tony Podesta being scared out of his own company. Still haven't seen any clue that Mueller is actually going after him, but maybe we'll find out more from Horowitz or the secret prosecutor.

Is anyone else in the Clinton orbit a rumored or potential target of Mueller?

henry

Trump interviewed Romney for Sec State. Doesn't mean he agreed with him. It seems like he Trump did what executives do: talk to everyone just in case, then do what you planned all along. Thus Mueller as a former head of FBI is interviewed during an FBI director search just in case Trump missed something. Basic due diligence. To assume it launched a complicated plot to fool the deep state and nail Clintons and Obama is a stretch that would land a rubber band in the Guinness Book of Records.

Threadkiller

My guess is that Mueller and Trump discussed handing over the sleeze Manafort.

Man Tran

Ralph,

Yeah, in my world the cap on backwards is for when you squeeze off that 200 yd shot at the rock chuck that popped out of his hole.

jimmyk

Mueller could have just been trying to size up Trump's potential to be played, that is, tricked into committing a process crime.

David, Deplorable Internet Russian Dreamer Bot

Dave (the one in MA. Really, I am not talking to myself here).

I believe that the thumb-holes are there to allow them to out their thumbs in their mouths without having to take off the clothing.

David

David, Deplorable Internet Russian Dreamer Bot

PUT their thumbs. PUT their thumbs. Not OUT their thumbs. I really shouldn't post before I wake up.

David

Tom R

...let me state now that if Trump has orchestrated a taxpayer funded scam investigation by Mueller, I'll consider that a betrayal of every GD campaign promise he made to lead a transparent administration.

Why would Trump want to be transparent when he already knew the Obama administration and the FBI/DOJ was spying on him? We are talking about the biggest case of political corruption in the history of the country.

If you truly believe the Obama administration was acting like a KGB police state going after their political enemies then don't you think coming up with a master strategy to identify and eliminate that extensive corruption is required? Transparency is the last thing you would want because that would telegraph every move you were making to the "Deep State" enemies trying to destroy you.

Davod

BG:

""We have RC, we have orange, we have grape, and we have 'Cocola'."

Reminds me of the country bar scene in the Blues Brothers where the manager says "Yes we play both kinds of music - Country and Western."

lyle

Huh. Isn’t it interesting that it’s always gin and tonic but simply a vodka tonic.

Threadkiller

Must be a syllable rule, Lyle.

lyle

Profundities abound!

lyle

Good one, TK.

narcisocenfl

Manafort played fast and loose in the 95 French presidential election, but he wasnt charged he was a middleman to another Lebanese businessman (partner to khashoggi) who in turn was tied to those arm sales to Pakistan.

Sbwaters

jimmyk, La Cage aux Folles, is fun in French, too.

We plan a short visit to Champagne country this summer. Epernay. Would like to visit the Pol Roger Estate.

anonamom

TK, that's it.

Threadkiller

TomR, when does the "meantime" expire?

joan

Have no idea if this humorous twitter thread has been posted or not. It's got 'bad' words in it (a couple of f*cked up's) but the take on NK and Trump made me smile:

"11) They fire rockets towards Guam. Over Japan. Brag about all of their fucking artillery. Nuclear tests so frequent they collapse the goddamn mountain the testing is happening in."

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/971944164911910912.html

Miss Marple the Deplorable

CHiTown Lurker reminded me this morning of the following 2 events:

1. Trump signed an EO last week which expanded the Military Code of Justice to include civilian crimes of treason.

2. Gitmo is being expanded.

Ralph L

The early meeting with Mueller was to ask for possible FBI directors--so he'd know who to rule out.

Dave (in MA)

Heh

derwill

I'm on the Mueller is a black hat/gray at best train. However, if you want a legal entree into the Podesta Group, from whence so much dirty money flowed into the Clintons, then indicting Manafort gives you a lever. Follow the money.

The prevailing theory seems to be that Manafort isn't talking to protect Trump, but what if the real reason is that the people he (and the Podesta Group) had shady deals with are the very people who wouldn't hesitate to jab you in the ass with a poison-tipped umbrella?

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

JOBS, JOBS, JOBS! #MAGA

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/972151933782974464

(Video with numbers at the link. From Fox, of course!)

Tom R

Evidence that leads me to believe Mueller is a White Hat:

1) Mueller chose to become a Marine. He wasn't drafted. He chose to serve his country. He was a rifle platoon leader in Vietnam and got a Bronze Star for Valor for rescuing a wounded Marine under direct fire. That says a lot about a man's character right there.

2) Mueller is a Republican. Obviously there are some corrupt Republicans out there but I point this out because Mueller's generation were in their 20s when the 1960s hippy, anti-American Counterculture movement began. Large majority of those types later identified as Democrats (the Clintons for example). The fact he rejected the values of the Counterculture movement says a lot about a man's character to me. Today we call the people with the same values of the 1960s Counterculture movement "progressives". That includes Obama, Hillary and most of corrupt Obama administration personnel invovled with the spying on Trump. Why would someone like Mueller ally himself with anyone involved in the progressive movement?

3) The job interview for FBI Director with Trump. Why would a 70+ year old man closing in on retirement age who has already had the job once before interview with Trump to become the FBI Director a second time? Doesn't make any sense to me that Mueller truly interviewed for the FBI Director job. The topic of the conversaiton was something else.

4) The obvious multiple conflicts of interest that Mueller has. I'm not a lawyer but a few people here are. All of the conflicts of interest involving Mueller have been well documented here as well as in the media. All of the lawyers have pointed out that with the number of conflicts of interest that Mueller has he is ethically and legally obligated to recuse himself from the investigation. The fact that Mueller has not recused himself is a sign. What that actual sign is depends on whether you think Mueller is a White Hat or Black Hat.

If Mueller is a White Hat, he hasn't recused himself because he has been in alliance with Trump from the outset. If Mueller is a Black Hat, he hasn't recused himself because he is a corrupt member of the "Deep State" who is trying to destroy Trump.

So lets pretend Mueller is a Black Hat trying to destroy Trump. Due to all the identified conflicts of interest, if Mueller actually accused/indicted Trump for some chickenshit process crime or something completely unrelated to the Russian collusion accusations how is that going to play out to the American public?

We already saw with Bill Clinton's impeachment how partisan policitcs can backfire. Clinton got even more popular after the GOP impeached him. That is why Obama never got impeached even though he shredded the Constitution on multiple occasions. So what are Mueller and the corrupt Deep State actually trying to accomplish? What are their end state goals?

This is speculation on my part but I can foresee a high probablity of violence erupting around the country by loyal Trump supporters who are now firmly convinced enemies of the Constitution are attemping a coup d'etat against the sitting President. Refer back to point #1 about Mueller being a Marine. Do you think that is what Muller is trying to achieve?

5) Paul Manafort's formal business connections with the Podesta Group lobbying firm. I think it was narciso that linked to a The Nation article from 2008 yesterday. It documented John McCain's formal connections to Russia. There were a lot of names mentioned in that article to include Glenn Simpson and his wife when they worked for the WSJ. Anyways it seems fairly clear that Manafort is dirty as hell and so is Tony Podesta. The fact that Tony Podesta resigned from his own lobbying firm and has disappeared from public view right after Manafort got indicted is a sign. How you interpret that sign all depends on whether you view Mueller as a White Hat or Black Hat. IMO this is the crux of the matter. If Mueller indicts Tony Podesta then that is a clear sign he is a White Hat and that he has the Clintons and perhaps the entire corrupt Democrat power structure in his eyesights. Refer back to Point #2.

lurkersusie

Confirm Richard Grenell now

Chris Murphy
Chris Murphy
@ChrisMurphyCT
Wheels down representing U.S. at the #BrusselsForum. Here in Europe's capital, no Ambassador to Belgium, no Ambassador to EU - 15 months into Trump Administration.
7:29 AM · Mar 9, 2018

Threadkiller

That was a funny thread, Joan. Incorporating the Russian defeat in the Nork's thought process was something I hadn't considered. We haven't heard enough about that beat down so I don't always think about it.

Old Lurker

Tom R, thanks for that thoughtful and thorough response to my throw down.

Your thoughts are well stated.

Too bad they are wrong!

(seriously, thanks for the response)

Old Lurker

Tell Chi Town Lurker that his cousin OL will not be happy until 535 new cells are added to Gitmo.

matt - deplore me if you must

Funny, that's a violation of the Logan Act unless he was appointed by Trump, the odds of which happening are zilch.

Dave (in MA)

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narcisocenfl

The link was to show how close maverick has been to all of these players, the ones threatened by the huntresses prophetic warning on the Ukraine. I also linked items related to deripasha's involvement in aluminum in Montenegro where he was losing his shirt.

henry

Kennedy to retire this summer. Which hanging judge should Trump appoint?

https://dailycaller.com/2018/03/09/heller-justice-kennedy-retiring/?utm_source=site-share

narcisocenfl

Maybe its paranoia but remember delmore Schwartz:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5769596/russian-spy-sergei-skripal-hazmat-cops-inspect-graves-of-wife-and-son/

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