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June 16, 2018

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Captain Hate

Continued from the old thread: Vettes were their own unique category when it came to high performance American cars. They were good but not great on the quarter mile. They handled well on the road but not like their furrin counterparts. What they were good at was being fun to drive.

Beasts of England

Happy US Open Saturday!! 🇺🇸

Beasts of England

The older I get the more I appreciate the older Corvettes. They may not have been the fastest or best handling vehicles of their respective eras, but they were faster and handled better than any reasonable person needed, if that makes sense. We may never see lines like those again. Sad!!

narciso

oh the huge manatee'

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/06/the-week-in-pictures-aftermath-edition-2.php

ENRDV

I thought everyone might enjoy the WSJ's weekend discussion of Jordan Peterson and his contribution to conservative thinking in reminding people of the value and necessity of order and tradition in life.

"Jordan Peterson and Conservatism’s Rebirth
The psychologist and YouTube star has brought the concepts of order and tradition back to our intellectual discourse.

Yoram Hazony June 15, 2018 6:32 p.m. ET

Jordan Peterson doesn’t seem to think of himself as a conservative. Yet there he is, standing in the space once inhabited by conservative thinkers such as G.K. Chesterton, C.S. Lewis, Russell Kirk, William F. Buckley Jr. and Irving Kristol. Addressing a public that seems incapable of discussing anything but freedom, Mr. Peterson presents himself unmistakably as a philosophical advocate of order. His bestselling book, “12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos,” makes sense of ideas like the “hierarchy of place, position and authority,” as well as people’s most basic attachments to “tribe, religion, hearth, home and country” and “the flag of the nation.” The startling success of his elevated arguments for the importance of order has made him the most significant conservative thinker to appear in the English-speaking world in a generation.

Mr. Peterson, 56, is a University of Toronto professor and a clinical psychologist. Over the past two years he has rocketed to fame, especially online and in contentious TV interviews. To his detractors, he might as well be Donald Trump. He has been criticized for the supposed banality of his theories, for his rambling and provocative rhetoric, and for his association with online self-help products. He has suffered, too, the familiar accusations of sexism and racism.

From what I have seen, these charges are baseless. But even if Mr. Peterson is imperfect, that shouldn’t distract from the important argument he has advanced—or from its implications for a possible revival in conservative thought. The place to begin, as his publishing house will no doubt be pleased to hear, is with “12 Rules for Life,” which is a worthy and worthwhile introduction to his philosophy.

Departing from the prevailing Marxist and liberal doctrines, Mr. Peterson relentlessly maintains that the hierarchical structure of society is hard-wired into human nature and therefore inevitable: “The dominance hierarchy, however social or cultural it might appear, has been around for some half a billion years. It’s permanent.” Moreover, young men and women (but especially men) tend to be healthy and productive only when they have found their place working their way up a hierarchy they respect. When they fail to do so, they become rudderless and sick, worthless to those around them, sometimes aimlessly violent.

In viewing political and social hierarchies as inevitable, Mr. Peterson may seem to be defending whoever happens to be powerful. But he’s doing nothing of the kind. He rejects the Marxist claim that traditional hierarchies are only about the self-interested pursuit of power. Human beings like having power, Mr. Peterson acknowledges. Yet the desire for it also drives them to develop the kinds of abilities their societies value. In a well-ordered society, high status often is a reward conferred for doing things that actually need to be done and done well: defending the state, producing things people need, enlarging the sphere of knowledge.

Jordan Peterson and Conservatism’s Rebirth
Illustration: Terry Shoffner
Mr. Peterson does not deny the Marxist charge that society oppresses individuals. “Culture is an oppressive structure,” he writes. “It’s always been that way. It’s a fundamental, universal existential reality.” But he breaks with prevailing political thought when he argues that the suffering involved in conforming to tradition may be worth it. When a father disciplines his son, he interferes with the boy’s freedom, painfully forcing him into accepted patterns of behavior and thought. “But if the father does not take such action,” Mr. Peterson says, “he merely lets his son remain Peter Pan, the eternal Boy, King of the Lost Boys, Ruler of the non-existent Neverland.”

Similarly, Mr. Peterson insists it is “necessary and desirable for religions to have a dogmatic element.” This provides a stable worldview that allows a young person to become “a properly disciplined person” and “a well-forged tool.”

Yet this is not, for Mr. Peterson, the highest human aspiration. It is merely the first necessary step along a path toward maturity, toward an ever more refined uniqueness and individuality. The individuality he describes emerges over decades from an original personality forged through painful discipline. The alternative, he writes, is to remain “an adult two-year old” who goes to pieces in the face of any adversity and for whom “softness and harmlessness become the only consciously acceptable virtues.”

Like other conservative thinkers before him, Mr. Peterson’s interest in tradition flows from an appreciation of the weakness of the individual’s capacity for reason. We all think we understand a great deal, he tells his readers, but this is an illusion. What we perceive instead is a “radical, functional, unconscious simplification of the world—and it’s almost impossible for us not to mistake it for the world itself.”

Given the unreliability of our own thinking, Mr. Peterson recommends beginning with tried and tested ideas: “It is reasonable to do what other people have always done, unless we have a very good reason not to.” Maturity demands that we set out to “rediscover the values of our culture—veiled from us by our ignorance, hidden in the dusty treasure-trove of the past—rescue them, and integrate them into our own lives.”

In Western countries, that effort at rediscovery leads to one place. “The Bible,” Mr. Peterson writes, “is, for better or worse, the foundational document of Western civilization.” It is the ultimate source of our understanding of good and evil. Its appearance uprooted the ancient view that the powerful had the right simply to take ownership of the weak, a change that was “nothing short of a miracle.” The Bible challenged, and eventually defeated, a world in which the murder of human beings for entertainment, infanticide, slavery and prostitution were simply the way things had to be.

As many readers have pointed out, Nietzsche’s critique of Enlightenment philosophy—he once called Kant “that catastrophic spider”—is everywhere in Mr. Peterson’s thought, even in his writing style. It is felt in his calls to “step forward to take your place in the dominance hierarchy,” and to “dare to be dangerous.” It is felt in risqué pronouncements such as this: “Men have to toughen up. Men demand it, and women want it.”

A famous passage from Nietzsche describes the destruction of the belief in God as the greatest cataclysm mankind has ever faced: “What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying as through an infinite nothing?”

Mr. Peterson chronicles the misery of individuals now drifting through this “infinite nothing.” But he rejects Nietzsche’s atheism, along with the conclusion that we can make our own values. In telling readers to return to the Bible, Mr. Peterson seeks to rechain the earth to its sun. That seems impossible. Yet a vast audience has demonstrated a willingness, at least, to try.

For Mr. Peterson, the death of God was followed inevitably by a quick descent into hell. During the “terrible twentieth century,” as he calls it, “we discovered something worse, much worse, than the aristocracy and corrupt religious beliefs that communism and fascism sought so rationally to supplant.” The Holocaust and the gulag, he argues, are sufficient to define evil for us, and “the good is whatever stops such things from happening.”

That is perfectly good Old Testament-style reasoning. Mr. Peterson adds Christian tropes such as the need for an “act of faith,” an “irrational commitment to the essential goodness” of things, a recognition that although “life is suffering,” sacrificing ourselves, as if on the cross, is pleasing to God.

Mr. Peterson’s intellectual framework has its weaknesses. He invokes recent social science (and its jargon) with a confidence that is at times naive. His often brilliant “12 Rules for Life” is littered with Heideggerian rubbish about “the betterment of Being,” in places where a thinker of Mr. Peterson’s abilities should have seen the need for a more disciplined effort to understand God. He lacks Nietzsche’s alertness to the ways in which the great religious traditions contradict one another, leading their adherents toward very different lives. Thus while Mr. Peterson is quite a good reader of the Bible, it is at times maddening to watch him import alien ideas into scripture—for instance, that the chaos preceding the creation was “female”—so as to fill out a supposed archetypal symmetry.

Nonetheless, what Mr. Peterson has achieved is impressive. In his writings and public appearances, he has made a formidable case that order—and not just freedom—is a fundamental human need, one now foolishly neglected. He is compelling in arguing that the order today’s deconstructed society so desperately lacks can be reintroduced, even now, through a renewed engagement with the Bible and inherited religious tradition.

Before Mr. Peterson, there was no solid evidence that a broad public would ever again be interested in an argument for political order. For more than a generation, Western political discourse has been roughly divided into two camps. Marxists are sharply aware of the status hierarchies that make up society, but they are ideologically committed to overthrowing them. Liberals (both the progressive and classical varieties) tend to be altogether oblivious to the hierarchical and tribal character of political life. They know they’re supposed to praise “civil society,” but the Enlightenment concepts they use to think about the individual and the state prevent them from recognizing the basic structures of the political order, what purposes they serve, and how they must be maintained.

In short, modern political discourse is noteworthy for the gaping hollow where there ought to be conservatives—institutions and public figures with something important to teach about political order and how to build it up for everyone’s benefit. Into this opening Mr. Peterson has ventured.

Perhaps without fully intending to do so, he has given the dynamic duo of Marxism and liberalism a hard shove, while shining a light on the devastation these utopian theories are wreaking in Western countries. He has demarcated a large area in which only conservative political and social thought can help. His efforts have provided reason to believe that a significant demand for conservative ideas still lives under the frozen wastes of our intellectual landscape.

If so, then Mr. Peterson’s appearance may be the harbinger of a broader rebirth. His book is a natural complement to important recent works such as Ryszard Legutko’s “The Demon in Democracy,” Patrick Deneen’s “Why Liberalism Failed” and Amy Chua’s “Political Tribes.” Representing divergent political perspectives, these works nevertheless share Mr. Peterson’s project of getting past the Marxist and liberal frameworks and confronting our trained incapacity to see human beings and human societies for what they really are. As the long-awaited revival of conservative political thought finally gets under way, there may be much more of this to come.

Mr. Hazony is author of “The Virtue of Nationalism,” forthcoming Sept. 4 from Basic.

narciso

good find there endrv, one gets the 'enlightened' view from the freud standin in the alienist, of course, marx was a Jacobin, a rousseauian in prose,

henry

The 62 Vette (327, manual 4 speed, convertible) that was in my barn is now in Florida (fewer mice), but I get to drive it around when I visit. Fun ride for sure. And it does eat the rice burners with racing stripes and wings for breakfast. :)

Captain Hate

I was somewhat heartened by Steve Hayes's reaction to the IG report backing him away from his Sea Cuck position of calling anyone who believes in the Derp State a bunch of loons who discredit SERIOUS QUESTIONS about how the FBI handled Tub Dive versus Trump. God knows I live my life in hope of getting approval from goatee boy.

Welcome back, Stevie boy; I think...

pagar, a bacon, ham and sausage supporter

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/06/splc_exposes_epidemic_of_nonexistent_white_on_black_violence.html

"And what would happen to the real numbers for black crime look if we eliminated witness intimidation, stitches for snitches, and the self-fulfilling prophecy of getting rid of the cradle to prison pipeline because there are too many black people in prison for no reason whatsoever? (Spoiler Alert: They would go from very very bad, to ridiculously bad.)"

Another Bob

Bit of a story in Pittsburgh about an editorial cartoonist Rob Rogers apparently getting fired by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. The story seems to nicely encapsulate everything going on today re. Trump.

For 20+ years, Rogers has been a reliably lefty cartoonist. The paper is owned by the Block family, and historically has been a pretty reliable lib outlet (which goes a long way to explaining why Rogers was employed by them for 20+ years).

The publisher John Block and an editor apparently visited with Trump once during the campaign, and Block put a photo of the two on his Twitter account (which is apparently gone) referring to Trump as "interesting". Block also had the temerity to write this eminently reasonable editorial:
http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/editorials/2018/01/15/Reason-as-racism-An-immigration-debate-gets-derailed/stories/201801150024
Nothing exactly shouting "right wing fascist", right? (But it didn't stop other members of the Block clan from publicly distancing themselves.)

From most appearances, Rogers has gone 'round the bend with Trump Derangement Syndrome. There are certainly plenty of things to editorialize about, but the anti-Trump cartoons have been coming with increasing frequency and becoming increasingly virulent. Eventually, the editor sends the message to Rogers that he's getting a bit carried away, and apparently he's starting to give the paper a reputation it doesn't want.

Rogers takes the dispute public. Being backed into the corner, with Rogers publicly defying them, the paper fires him.

All the by-now predictable things have happened:
* Rogers gets an op-ed in the NYT times "I was Fired for Making Fun of Donald Trump", as part of his "I'm a victim" campaign.
* The progs are calling a reliably liberal newspaper publisher a racist, a fascist, an alt-right clown, etc. etc.
* A reliably liberal newspaper is being called a "right wing rag" and a "twin of the (Greensburg/Pittsburgh) Tribune[-Review]"
* The progs incessantly whine about "censorship", the Trump regime's attack on the First Amendment, and Trump "purging journalists" entirely oblivious to the fact it wasn't Trump who fired him it was the OWNER OF THE PAPER.
* And of course the true morons who are starting petitions to force his re-hiring.

Everything about the Trump derangement all wrapped up in nice package. Trump, despite being a moron, somehow managed to become the puppetmaster of everything and everybody. The no-exceptions loyalty test the progs apply - one strike and you're out. The ugliest personal attacks on Trump are simple "making fun", but Block's mild editorial was the most racist thing ever. The utter ignorance about how the constitution works - this isn't a press freedom issue (and even if it were, there's no First Amendment right to be protected from the consequences of your free speech). The utter ignorance about how the world works - when you are employed by others you are never free to do what you wish without consequences.

Folks, I don't think there's any fixing this. We're f'ked.

GUS

Yeah that Irving Kristol put out some REALLY REALLY BAD SHIT. Oh no, not his writings, his KID.

Captain Hate

A bud of mine bought an old style Vette in the mid 60s that needed body work and an engine. He sanded it down, painted it flat red violet, jacked up the suspension and dropped a 350 in it. We used to tow it to a drag strip in Monrovia, Maryland where it ran in the mid 13s iirc.

Old Lurker

"Welcome back, Stevie boy; I think..."

Way too soon for that reaction, Cap'n.

Way too soon.

GUS

Another Bob, that's why WE HAVE THE GUNS.

clarice feldman

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/byron-york-political-bias-infected-fbi-trump-clinton-investigations

clarice feldman

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/alan-dershowitz-manaforts-jailing-is-obnoxious-to-our-constitution

Another Bob

Clarice, I'm kinda torn on the Manafort thing.

Sure, it certainly seems as if Mueller is abusing prosecutorial power to force Manafort into making statements against Trump. I agree prosecutorial misconduct is a problem that has been largely ignored in the US for some time now.

But Manafort is a shady character, and am not seeing him as a great hill to die on over the issue. I'd be more interested to know about the connection to Podesta, for whom he was working at the time he allegedly committed these crimes.

Old Lurker

A-Bob "I'm kinda torn on the Manafort thing."

Not me. I am for executing every single officer of the court who crosses a single line violating the constitutional rights of any citizen.

:-)

narciso

this whole case is fruit of the poison tree, they wouldn't have had the search warrant with the fisa warrant, which was fruit of the dossier, they closed his investigation in 2014, as with gates the previous year,


and no they will never investigate podesta, specially since among other crimes, he actually committed fraud, in his contractual duties,

Porchlight

Good Jordan Peterson article, ENRDV. I also think JP's a bit muddled on religion. He seems to be getting there. Maybe he's holding back publicly because he can reach more people that way.

clarice feldman

Not carrying about rights for some people is the path to creating bypasses around them for anyone prosecutors don't like, AB.

GUS

Manafort was investigated for the wrong doings he is accused of over 10 years ago. He was not charged.
Why is he charged now.

RODHAM should get that treatment. This investigation was NEVER SUPPOSED to be ABOUT TRUMP.

This was about "Possible RUSSIAN RUSSIAN RUSSIAN interference in our ELECTION". That's been laid to rest. THIS IS A COUP ATTEMPT

Fuck them all. If TRUMP isn't free to be an AMERICAN, no member of the FBI is either.

Old Lurker

"First the came for...and I did nothing..."

Another Bob

Yeah GUS, I hear you. There was a time where I thought very much the same. But I'm having a hard time seeing how the "Real Resistance" (trademark here) gets kicked off.

Politically aware people like us here all get into our various internet-based echo chambers, and see a lot of like-minded folks. I think that leads us to believe there are more people than we think who are aware and activatable.

In meatspace, other than the continuation of some small electoral surprises, I'm just not seeing it. For every Katie Arrington there's a Roy Moore. Sure, there are reasons beyond wanting to spend more time with family that are driving the likes of Ryan to walk away, but who is taking their places?

Seems that so long as there's an adequate supply of bread and circuses, most remain interested in the ability to eat and pay the bills, and will shrug at the rest as politics and politicians as usual.

(Caveat: Work has me pretty depressed now, and maybe that's rubbing off on my world view these days.)

Beasts of England

Pictures or it didn't happen, henry. ;)

GUS

Beasts, I've been in his barn. That's all I'm allowed to say.

Another Bob

Perhaps I didn't put it well Clarice.

I do want Manafort to be treated in a way consistent with what our system of rights is supposed to provide. I'm not interested in a railroading.

But is Manafort the guy we should hang a "political prosecution" hat on?

henry

Send an email, I'll send you a pic or two.

Another Bob

"executing every single officer of the court who crosses a single line"

We're very close on that position OL. I'm very much sick of bureaucrats thinking they're some special class of citizen, and providing cover for every other bureaucrat.

I think misconduct on the part of the bureaucrat - whether criminal or civil - should attach to the bureaucrat personally. Enough with government paying the settlements.

Unfortunately, the lawyers will prevent that.

Beasts of England

And speaking of pictures, it's always fun to put a face with a JOM moniker, and I hit the jackpot earlier with a photo of GUS and his son playing guitar at his friend's wedding. Very cool... :)

henry

I don't have selfies... But I'll look as soon as the Mac wakes up.

Beasts of England

You have mail, henry.

clarice feldman

s/b Caring

Beasts of England

lol, GUS!! But did you get to launch one of the trebuchets?

clarice feldman

We were told by A McCarthy not to worry about Libby because fitzgerald (and Comey and Mueller) were all upstanding. Others abandoned him because they believed the BS that he'd outed an undercover agent and caused great damage.
Until the govt proves wrongdoing, I'm not buying it--even for Manafort.

henry

Trebuchet is in the living room, not barn

GUS

He charges for that Beasts.

Beasts of England

Ha!!

Another Bob

Agreed Clarice.

But to the degree Manafort's prosecution is being seen as some reflection on Trump, it seems wise to not let that draw us out too far on a limb on his behalf.

rse

That Hazony link depicts jordan peterson as pushing more the convergence idea, than conservative ideas. It's not clear if that is hazony or a correct interp of peterson.

Given hazony's ties to the templeton foundation and everything else they fund that I have to deal with I am guessing it is definitely harzony's take. templeton wants a convergence of all the world's religious traditions to be instilled as a communitarian new golden rule. They fund the jubilee centre in the UK and martin seligman's positive neuroscience work in the US and globally. He spoke at the World Govt Summit in dubai on it several years running now. They are also funding the science of virtues push at u-chicago that the nih is also funding as helpful to our "wellbeing" at a physiological level.

pagar, a bacon, ham and sausage supporter

IMO, the news has gotten worse.

YOUR DUCK IS DEAD
A woman brought a very limp duck into a veterinary surgeon. As she laid her pet on the table, the vet pulled out his stethoscope and listened to the bird's chest.

After a moment or two, the vet shook his head and sadly said, "I'm sorry, your duck, Cuddles, has passed away."

The distressed woman wailed, "Are you sure?"

"Yes, I am sure. Your duck is dead," replied the vet..

"How can you be so sure?" she protested.. "I mean you haven't done any testing on him or anything. He might just be in a coma or something."

The vet rolled his eyes, turned around and left the room. He returned a few minutes later with a Labrador Retriever. As the duck's owner looked on in amazement, the dog stood on his hind legs, put his front paws on the examination table and sniffed the duck from top to bottom. He then looked up at the vet with sad eyes and shook his head.

The vet patted the dog on the head and took it out of the room. A few minutes later he returned with a cat. The cat jumped on the table and also delicately sniffed the bird from head to foot. The cat sat back on its haunches, shook its head, meowed softly and strolled out of the room.

The vet looked at the woman and said, "I'm sorry, but as I said, this is most definitely, 100% certifiably, a dead duck."

The vet turned to his computer terminal, hit a few keys and produced a bill, which he handed to the woman.. The duck's owner, still in shock, took the bill. "$150!" she cried, "$150 just to tell me my duck is dead!"

The vet shrugged, "I'm sorry. If you had just taken my word for it, the bill would have been $20, but with the Lab Report and the Cat Scan, it's now $150."

narciso

What about roy Moore, because Gloria aired dangled some cash, were supposed to forget what he's done for 35 years. In favor of Rosie O'Donnell illegally bundled candidate.

henry

Beasts, check your email

maryrose

Pagar:
Hilarious!

maryrose

Agree with you Narciso.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Back from lunch. Not even North Korea gets a positive response from my friend, because Trump SMILED at the bloodthirsty killer Kim and PATTED HIM ON THE ARM.

I asked her if she wanted a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula. "No, but he could have done the negotiations without being friendly."

TDS for sure. I just decided I will not be seeing her for a while, until I can figure out a way to handle this.

I did tell her she needs to quit watching MSNBC.

Captain Hate on the iPhone

it seems wise to not let that draw us out too far on a limb on his behalf.

I couldn't disagree more; he is being railroaded strictly because he worked for DJT. Mueller and that whore judge are abominations in a so-called free society.

Kevlar Kid

"Not me. I am for executing every single officer of the court who crosses a single line violating the constitutional rights of any citizen."

Welcome to the ACLU?

Captain Hate on the iPhone

Saint Delano was chummy with Stalin.

Eye Doctor

Prosecutorial discretion is just another way of getting around equal justice under the law.

They protect their friends and punish their enimies!

GUS

Which of Rodham's lawyers had their OFFICE and HOME raided? Which had their ATTORNEY client privilege violated?


WHICH GOT IMMUNITY without giving anything in return???

THIS SHIT IS SO FUCKING EASY, an APE WITH big SWINGING BALLS could answer???

Eye Doctor

Correction. Its the best way!

Kevlar Kid

"THIS SHIT IS SO FUCKING EASY, an APE WITH big SWINGING BALLS could answer???"

in the old days they'd get ad contracts with Samsonite.

GUS

"he didn't have to be nice" says the LIBTARD MORON......
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1242&bih=577&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=3EslW9HPIqykjwS66aewAQ&q=OBAMA+WITH+CHAVEZ&oq=OBAMA+WITH+CHAVEZ&gs_l=img.3..0i24k1.135001.140344.0.140569.25.22.0.3.3.0.81.1416.22.22.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.25.1429...0j0i30k1j35i39k1j0i8i30k1j0i67k1j0i5i30k1.0.KkCXHnssliE#imgrc=RB475N7z2cl5wM:

Kevlar Kid

I like how McCarthy characterized the IG Report using days of the week.

The same applies well to Manafort.

From Sunday to Wednesday Manafort is out on his own being a fixer/investor for various players of the world scene.

On Thursday he is in cahoots with Spodie Odious Podesta. On Friday he goes to work for DJT. On Saturday he's back on his own.

On Sunday he get's investigated and indicted for what he was doing Last Sunday through Wednesday, but that was triggered by what he did on Friday for DJT.

As for Thursday? No dots there to connect.

Kevlar Kid

Thanks for the good wishes, GUS!

Eye Doctor

Manafort should learn from Blogo's mistakes and start leaking shit about Podesta and friends.

Kevlar Kid

rse: here's an intro to Wheeler, the man i was telling you about. background and his take on fascism and socialism etc. 1998 material. a prediction he makes at the end reflects the "for life" push of the Clinton/Obama Crime syndicates.

http://freedom-school.com/reading-room/none-dare-call-it-fascism.html

the other information re the upending of the Soviet Union is contained in a private newsletter article.

email me privately please and i'll share some ideas about sharing the deets with you about obtaining access.

thanks!

Kev

GUS

Be safe on your trip Kev.

Tom R

Just read MM’s link to the analysis of Trump by the professional poker player. Since the term “4D chess” bothers so many of the cynics here, would using “4D Texas Hold Em” to describe Trump be more acceptable?

BTW his fourth and fifth tweet about “tilting” is exactly what myself, RG and others have been warning against for months. I’ll just sit back and enjoy the MAGA while Trump and his team keep building up the pot.

daddy

Number of lbs of uranium Trump has removed from North Korea: 0

Number of pesos Trump has gotten from Mexico for building the border wall: 0

rich

>>>Folks, I don't think there's any fixing this. We're f'ked.

Posted by: Another Bob | June 16, 2018 at 11:38 AM<<<

it was only a matter of time before the campus maoists would succeed in exporting their culture to the wider world. lucky us.

henry

I see a sock puppet. That is an indication the paI'd progs are out of narrative and into tantrum mode.

rich

Posted by: daddy | June 16, 2018 at 02:08 PM

this really daddy?

rich

so do i henry.

anonamom

That judge is SO FAR OUT OF LINE re: Mannafort.
Fascist behavior.


She easily could have confined him to home/yard arrest with an ankle bracelet, AND let him know all his electronic communications were being monitored, at least as far as the general "to/from" stuff, and forbid him from communicating with listed witnesses. Taken his passport.

NO WAY did she need to put him in jail--which effectively keeps him from mounting a defense, because of logistics.

daddy

A-Bob "I'm kinda torn on the Manafort thing."

I think Manaforte's jailing is exactly the sort of case that our Second President, John Adam's, would have gone bananas over, damning the Courts to hell for this injustice. It seems to me in some fashion to be equivalent to Adam's deciding to defend the British Soldiers in the Boston Massacre when the common public opinion was they didn't deserve having Legal representation because they were obviously bad guys and Adam's said "nuts" to that.

IANAL but I think this is grossly, grossly out of line, and I think our Founding Fathers would have agreed.

rich

>>>(Caveat: Work has me pretty depressed now, and maybe that's rubbing off on my world view these days.)

Posted by: Another Bob | June 16, 2018 at 12:19 PM<<<

maybe we can start our own club ... the basement?

Captain Hate

If one of the left's campaigners was being railroaded the whore judge's name, Amy Berman Jackson, would be as well known as Stormy Daniels. "Our side" doesn't play that game very well.

The mentally ill assistant prosecutor is evaluating the sincerity of apologies.

daddy

02:08 is a sock puppet.

daddy

The Boston Massacre trials

Years after he became the the second president of the United States Adams remembered the trials:

“The Part I took in Defence of Cptn. Preston and the Soldiers, procured me Anxiety, and Obloquy enough. It was, however, one of the most gallant, generous, manly and disinterested Actions of my whole Life, and one of the best Pieces of Service I ever rendered my Country. Judgment of Death against those Soldiers would have been as foul a Stain upon this Country as the Executions of the Quakers or Witches, anciently. As the Evidence was, the Verdict of the Jury was exactly right.” –John Adams

rich

Posted by: Captain Hate | June 16, 2018 at 02:23 PM

was it the DC judge that jailed him or the VA judge-charging him in 2 jurisdictions shouldn't have been allowed either.

the whole thing disgusts me.

Old Lurker

I'm not sure why, except for the risk of flight (for which high bail is the remedy), why a non violent offender who is not shown to be a threat to others, should be locked up pre-trial anyway. As to the risk of "communicating with words with anybody on the planet", why should even that be prohibited? Now if THAT communication intimidates the recipient and might color the trial ("tampering"), then there are laws against that so add that charge if you can prove it.

Locking up even "not yet proven guilty of anything" Manafort and others like this are so "medieval" and are the kinds of things that led to the Magna Carta and our own rebellion and constitution.

As to Cap'n's point about "ESPECIALLY" because he is associated with Trump, Cap'n is dead right. If we have learned nothing in recent years, we know what running for office does to the familes of the candidates already, and with Trump there is no doubt whatsoever that the Manafort type thread and so many others has made it really hard to attract our best and brightest to join a government for the good of the country.

This crap has got to stop.

Captain Hate

DC judge, rich.

Tom R

Has anyone seen it confirmed anywhere who exactly Manafort was trying to communicate with that was described as “witness tampering”? I think Manafort is a Swamp creature who is dirty as hell. If one of the people he was communicating with was Tony Podesta I’m perfectly fine with him getting put in jail for violating his bond.

rich

figures ... the DOJ and FBI has no problem letting the whore wife of a terrorist go wonder around for 6 months and has no problems with the Awan cell coming-and-going as they please (flight risk ... duh, one left and one was arrested at the airport attempting and the others are still free) ... but Manafort being the convention whip for the Trump Campaign ... lock his ass up.

Since he's charged in 2 jurisdictions could his legal team bring a habeas petition in the other jurisdiction regarding his pre-trial confinement?

rich

Posted by: Tom R | June 16, 2018 at 02:37 PM

this is a ridiculous sentiment.

Captain Hate

Phil does a John Daly:

https://golfweek.com/2018/06/16/phil-mickelson-stunningly-hits-moving-ball-taking-2-shot-penalty-on-purpose/

Tom R

What is ridiculous about it? I thought it was pretty much common knowledge Manafort is 1) a Swamp creature 2) dirty as hell and 3) business partner with Tony Podesta.

maryrose

Rich:
I would like to know the answer to that question as well.
Why is work so bad for you and can you get another job?
Just let me know if it is none of my business.

maryrose

TomR:
They are charging him with so called crimes of ten years ago and in some cases he was cleared.
They want to hurt President Trump.

rich

it was apparently Alan Friedman (part of the group with Rick Gates) ...

GUS

Henry, I believe Mr Maguire has been busy, and the TARDS don't like it.

rich

Posted by: maryrose | June 16, 2018 at 02:51 PM

I wouldn't be quite so rude, but I shouldn't have mentioned it and don't want to go into it.

Jack is Back!

Back from Shinnecock. It's a zoo. Never seen crowds like this. Not in 2004, 1995 or 1986. In '86 the USGA restricted tickets to 14,000 since they didn't think we had the infrastructure to handle the tournament. Back then, they were some what right. But since the we have improved access, parking, transportation options, traffic and crowd control.

Today it showed we have done too good a job. At some fairway crosswalks, you could wait up to a half-hour or more to have the marshals take down the ropes. Some are too close to the greens, so if players are putting they won't take them down and then you have the following pair driving, etc.

Plus it is very hot (sunny, low wind). Greens are getting dicey and without wind that is the new defense. Shinnecock can grab you each way from Tuesday. The only thing the USGA had to do was let the club keep the fescue rough at shin high and the first cut at ankle high. If you keep in the fairway you have a better probability of par and sometimes if lucky a birdie.

Elliott is still there and Mrs JiB is running the Rose Show at the Library. Only a bunch of horticultural nuts would schedule a flower show during the US Open:)

daddy

I suppose upon catch-up I'll find out more about this update from Powerline:

TRUMP STANDS TALL AGAINST BAD AMNESTY LEGISLATION (UPDATE: HE CHANGED HIS MIND)

UPDATE: Now, the White House says Trump would sign Ryan’s compromise legislation. “The President fully supports both the Goodlatte bill and the House leadership bill,” a spokesman said.

He claimed that when Trump said he wouldn’t sign “the more moderate bill,” he was referring to a proposal by Democrats, not to the Ryan legislation. I believe the president was talking about the Ryan proposal — he said was “looking at both bills, not three of them — but had no clear idea of what was in Ryan’s. In other words, he didn’t know what he was talking about.

Pinandpuller

rse

If you are referring to Sir John Templeton I'd be interested in more info. His daughter ended up in Casper, WY. A doctor married to a doctor. I was friends with the granddaughter thru church.

I didn't really know his backstory until I was shooting the breeze with my financial guy. John was from TN but he renounced his US citizenship so he could give more money away when he died. That's the story anyway.

GUS

Trumps is selling all those MISSING KIDDIES to build the wall. 1450, 1800 whatever..he's selling them to PELOSI'S friends Ms-13. So MEXICO is paying. One kid at a time.

The FULL COMMIE has no current narative, they are working on one. Soros is confused for the moment.

rich

Posted by: Tom R | June 16, 2018 at 02:51 PM

all the above could be true and it is in no way relevant to Manafort's pretrial confinement or the whole sorry affair. That sort of treatment should be reserved for arch terrorists, drug lords, and traitors like Ames ... not conduct surrounding nearly decade old paperwork issues which was looked at previously and not pursued.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

"Dirty as hell" is in the eye of the beholder or prosecutor.

Manafort is being prosecuted (and persecuted) as a Lesson to Us All. This goes right along with them derdgein 28-year old sex charges against Sylvester Stallone the day after he was photographed with President Trump in the Oval Office.

It's why Roseanne Barr was driven from her TV series for her mocking of Valerie Jarett, while some nobody celebrity is NOT driven out of her bookings by mocking Kimberly Guilfoyle as a Puerto-Rican.

I am not that active on Twitter (mostly read) but I have had to block people for threats. I will NOT shut up, and we have got to toughen up about our people.

By the way, who recommended Manafort to Trump for the convention? That wouldn't be someone he would have automatically thught about. So where did that come from?

And if Manafort is in jail, why aren't the Podesta brothers/

Old Lurker

1. So what? Is that a crime?

2. Not yet proven. And is being "known to be dirty" a crime?

3. So what?

"Violated the conditions of his bond?". Perhaps those conditions are right at the heart of the abuse and designed to focus another layer of intimidation on the "innocent until proven guilty"?

Every time I think it is safe to unhush a troll.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Old Lurker,

I am with you. So what, is the exact answer.

My only consoling thought is that perhaps Manafort is actually in jail for witness protection because he knows something about the Podestas.

Jack is Back!

Among officers and gentleman, we have a code of honor which some jack-a-lope ingrate here has decided to dishonor. These are the creeps of the internet. If Jeffrey Dahmer or the Dacy guy were still free, this is how they would act and present themselves.

Jane

JIB,

Did you get to see the firefighter from Brockton? He's my new hero.

Pinandpuller

rse

If you are referring to foundation mission creep, it wouldn't be surprising given the Fords et al. Although they were pretty much Nazi sympathizers, oui?

Miss Marple the Deplorable

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1007450316759896064.html

This is a repeat post, but for those who missed it, I highly recommend reading it. It is Imperator Rex's thoughts on the IG report, and he has found at least 10 things which are probably going to result in prosecution.

Jane

JIB did you see Michaelson's screw-up? Very weird for him.

Another Bob

"maybe we can start our own club ... the basement?"

I hear you rich. I had a bit of a crap project dumped on me that other parts of the organization somehow managed to refuse. Funny part is I think I can deliver it, but various senior managers in the org keep throwing obstacles in the way for reasons of looking good to their bosses. I think I have to let it fail to make my point.

Old Lurker

MM "My only consoling thought is that perhaps Manafort is actually in jail for witness protection because he knows something about the Podestas."

Yer dreamin MM. That would be voluntary and it did not look like he went willingly.

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