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July 26, 2018

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henry

Until we see details, no way to know. But TTIP allowed everyone else to have high tariffs, so I suspect we are better off this way.

rich

who knows?

morning all.

rich

what i want to know is whether there will be plastic straw tariffs?

the great crisis of our age ... the union of saruman and sauron; worse than the red menace and a russian under your bed ...

rich

>>>Imagine, if you will "You are traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. Your next stop," The Mueller zone.

Maybe, just maybe, having Clinton insider Lanny Davis as your lawyer, hint, hint, is the price to be paid for a lesser sentence?

A Clinton insider with access to Trump's legal files, hmm.

Posted by: Davod | July 26, 2018 at 06:22 AM<<<

hummm ... that is some 4 D thinking right there. at this point nothing would shock me.

rich

the wickedness of the plastic straw makers ... make them drink their 32 ounce soda without straw ...

so let it be written, so let it be done


rich

and i thought the bag tax was the height of government nannyism ... no, not to be outdone, the plastic drinking straw ... surprise, surprise that there was a big feature on it in NatGeo and it isn't just here in the US.

rich

how about a constitutional amendment ... when a government body debates to ban light bulbs, plastic eating utensils, small plastic bags, and straws ...government is no longer needed and the body can be shut down and liquidated.

Miss Marple

President @realDonaldTrump working w/ team at the White House negotiating better trade deal w/ European Union to protect American jobs & empower American workers pic.twitter.com/hLlXJlXaXp

— Sarah Sanders (@PressSec) July 26, 2018

Neat picture at the link.

Miss Marple

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/mike-pence-tarmac-boy-passes-out/?source=CI&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=idealmedia&utm_campaign=thepoliticalinsider.com&utm_term=68804&utm_content=1

There is video embedded in this story.

Miss Marple

The President will be in Iowa and Illinois today.

I think there is a roundtable discussion in Iowa over manufacturing jobs.

Miss Marple


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
2m2 minutes ago

Twitter “SHADOW BANNING” prominent Republicans. Not good. We will look into this discriminatory and illegal practice at once! Many complaints.

Miss Marple


Lee Zeldin
‏Verified account @RepLeeZeldin
21h21 hours ago

.@JohnBrennan once backing Communist Party candidate for US Pres + now making own rules for how loyalty to US can be displayed w unstable, monetized, over the top assault as former CIA Dir targeting duly elected govt = grounds for revoking sec clearance (a privilege; not a right)

Miss Marple

So you mean all the hysteria from Dems, the media, and some weak republicans was unfounded and @realDonaldTrump wins again?

Let him do his thing people. I promise he knows more about this stuff than anyone in DC. https://t.co/KTIZghjGkY

— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) July 26, 2018

Link goes to story about EU deal and spike in stock market.

pagar, a bacon, ham and sausage supporter

"..government is no longer needed and the body can be shut down and liquidated." But does the taxpayer get their money back? Does all the babies the Democrat killed get their lives back?

James D.

and i thought the bag tax was the height of government nannyism

There is no "height of government nannyism." The whole point of progressiveism is that they can't EVER stop.

Janet

((and i thought the bag tax was the height of government nannyism ... ))

Notice they're always attacking USEFUL items.
grocery bags
straws
light bulbs
fossil fuels

All the knuckleheads should first have to rid their OWN lives of ALL plastic items. DO IT.
Show us how your pure, green, earth worshiping, lives work without ANY plastic.

rich

pagar-

no and no.

JamesD-

wouldn't be surprised to find a russian plot behind the great patriotic plastic utensil and straw war ... the dark night of russian bots is always falling on conservatives, but always landing on progressives.

and did i miss RG's responses to my comments regarding a twitter thread he had flagged up a few days ago ...

henry

rich, he didn't get back to that one

rich

>>> The whole point of progressiveism is that they can't EVER stop.

Posted by: James D. | July 26, 2018 at 08:13 AM<<<

we should call it devilry.

Posted by: Janet | July 26, 2018 at 08:20 AM

anything and everything to make peoples lives more inconvenient ...

henry

Fr. Patrick Hyde, OP @frpatrickop
30m

So 95% of plastic in the ocean is estimated to come from 10 rivers in Asia and Africa.
Somehow, judging by the way a woman looked at me when I recently asked for a straw in a restaurant, I’m probably to blame for all of it.

https://www.treehugger.com/ocean-conservation/these-10-rivers-appear-be-source-millions-tons-ocean-plastic.html

rich

thanks henry.

henry

hmmmm...
Don Draper Retweeted
WineRex's avatar
Rex Dwyer @WineRex
4h

$FB Remember this tweet? Zuck has been selling an average of $40M of stock every trading day this year.


Rex Dwyer
@WineRex

Update: Zuck selling 5x faster now. $FB
Zuckerberg sold nearly $500 million Facebook stock in February

https://twitter.com/WineRex/status/969311908175081472

henry

Jay Weber
@JayWeber3

This is an amazing map. The 2016 election, down to micro-targeting.

https://twitter.com/JayWeber3/status/1022443224194011136

James D.

All the knuckleheads should first have to rid their OWN lives of ALL plastic items. DO IT.
Show us how your pure, green, earth worshiping, lives work without ANY plastic.

Exactly! That should be the response to them for everything they're telling us to do in the name of the environment or global warming or inequality, or whatever the cause du jour is.

Eating meat is killing the planet? Fine. YOU go first. YOU go full vegan, 24/7, and document it so we know you're not cheating, and then maybe we'll listen to you.

Too many cars on the road cause pollution and congestion and we need to get cars out of cities (like the "Car-free diet" we are urged to go on in Arlington, right, janet?)? Fine. YOU go first. No more limos. No more Uber rides. No more rental cars at the airport. YOU rent a bike to go to work every day. YOU wait an hour for a bus if you stay at work past rush hour. YOU do it first.

Jet planes are huge contributors to global warming? Fine. YOU go first. No more trips to Davos. No more vacations in Europe, or on the opposite coast, or anywhere else you can't take Amtrak or ride a bike to (since as noted above, cars are evil, too). No more company-paid conferences you have to fly to. YOU do it first.

Big homes are wasteful with a huge carbon footprint, and also make incone inequality worse? Fine. YOU go first. Sell your big fat house - no, give it away to the city/county/state to be turned into a homeless shelter. Move into a 700 square foot apartment right by a bus or subway stop. YOU do it first.

Overpopulation is the world's biggest crisis? People - especially wasteful fat greedy Americans - shouldn't be having more wasteful fat greedy priviliged kids? Fine. YOU go first. Get yourself sterilized, right now. Schedule the appointment today. If you've already had kids, have them sterilized. Make the appointment today. YOU go first.

And if they're not willing to do all that, they can just shut right the eff up.

Janet

Can progressives make the crap they peddle without plastic or any fossil fuels?

solar panels, windmills, rental bike docking stations, the rental bikes, streetcars, bongs, misc. headshop gear, markers & paint for "resist" protest signs,...

That squatters slum the progs. built to protest ICE was full of plastic.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/07/25/enjoy-this-video-of-police-clearing-the-holdouts-out-of-portlands-beautiful-occupy-ice-trash-heap/?utm_campaign=twitchywidget

henry

make stuff? they just import it from China. Virtue signals anti patriarchy that way.

Janet

Amen, James!!!

Janet

((there was a big feature on it in NatGeo ))

It'd be interesting to map the coordinated roll-out of the 'evil straws' movement.

Same with the streetcar push....

Rocco

Late 2016

BERLIN (AP) — Free trade talks between the European Union and the United States have failed, Germany’s economy minister said Sunday, citing a lack of progress on any of the major sections of the long-running negotiations.

https://apnews.com/611ff828b5ed44d5ad56ab46e0781e52/german-economy-minister-says-eu-us-trade-talks-have-failed

I'd say it's a another big win for the president.

Jane

Capt, Henry,

I'm thinking of starting a new company and I'm gonna need an AI guy. That's all I know so far.

What makes someone an AI guy?

henry

Jane, the presumption is an AI guy knows the basics of machine learning and will have a credential of some sort, an online course is typical. How you tell if they are any good is a total mystery to me.

Extraneus

In my experience, an "AI guy" is someone who is adept at using buzz words to talk gov't into opening its wallet. Phase-change memory and memristors, for example, are key to neuromorphic computing, as are qubits.

(How'd I do, Jane?)

Miss Marple


Mark Knoller
‏Verified account @markknoller
23m23 minutes ago

Mnuchin takes issue with characterization of @USDA tariff relief to farmers as "a bailout." Called it "a ridiculous comment." He said that when foreign countries target US farmers, "we will stand up and fight for them." Repeats objective of getting free and fair reciprocal trade.

Miss Marple


Mark Knoller
‏Verified account @markknoller
34m34 minutes ago

"I thought we had a deal," says @stevenmnuchin1 this morning about the outcome of yesterday's US-EU trade talks. In a WH driveway gaggle, Mnuchin said "there was an agreement in principle" on steel/aluminum and retaliatory tariffs. "I think we made very big progress," he said.

01000110 01010101

Sounds like henry gained all his "computin'" knowledge back when they were still using vacuum tubes to process...and hasn't progressed.

Captain Hate

I can write code to perform some function with feedback loops which update the code, which is what the essence of AI is. It wouldn't be useful for anything and would produce gibberish or break but that puts me less than one standard deviation away from the elites.

Miss Marple

BREAKING: Orders for long-lasting U.S. factory goods rise in June after declining for two months _ a sign manufacturing is still growing despite global trade disputes. https://t.co/K8zr1nVYaB

— The Associated Press (@AP) July 26, 2018


Link goes to full story.

Miss Marple

The ACLU tested the facial-recognition software Amazon offers police. It falsely matched 28 members of Congress with mugshots of people arrested for a crime https://t.co/47iTvNI3ew

— Drew Harwell (@drewharwell) July 26, 2018

Link goes to article. My horrible drivers license picture is a direct result of this software. No smile, hair behind the ears, glasses off - it looks like a meth dealer's mug shot.

Extraneus

Maintaining US superiority in AI requires the formation of public-private partnerships (PPPs in gov-speak) and massive investment on the part of gov't. Considering the ramifications of AI to the military sphere, this is obviously a national security imperative. Gov't must provide the funding necessary to insure the success of Jane's AI endeavor.

Extraneus

...or risk losing our edge to the Chinese.

henry

CH, the models in modern "AI" are giant statistical globs where regression is run on thousands of variables, then the results are "trained" by providing the "correct" answers. It can be automated to "continue learning" aka "autocucumber." Slightly different approaches given the task, but categorization is most straight forward.

I took the Coursera / Stanford ML course (Prof Ngo), very focused on linear algebra and matrix processing to get the stats. The mechanics and hill climbing algos would be easy to automate.

However, what is clear is AI contains as much art as science (if not almost all art with a veneer of science). To get something that can run in an app, you need a sense of how to trim inputs from the "all including the kitchen sink" model used as a start. After that, whatever works is OK, just don't ask why the AI is doing anything in particular: the entire process avoids causality of any kind. Thus more art than science.

Captain Hate

In one of the DVD seasons of Person of Interest, one of the "extras" was bringing in a real AI guy to talk with the writers about how conceptually feasible The Machine was. The guy sounded experienced and knowledgeable so he was working somewhere that was dedicated to this type of technology. Interestingly he told the writers that an AI developed to a certain level of complexity will be so insistent on doing the task it was designed for that it will resist all efforts to shut it down; the next season featured Finch attacking an early test version of the machine with an axe to the power cables.

I have no idea where the guy worked other than some think tank. As usual I'm sure defense companies are where the action is.

Extraneus

SETH MEYERS AND AMY POEHLER ROAST JAMES COMEY FOR HIS ELECTION ADVICE

“Really, James Comey? You want to weigh in on things when there’s an election coming up? You feel like that’s gone well for you in the past? That’s like Michael Jordan saying, ‘I think I’m going to take another shot at baseball,'” Meyers stated.

“Really!?” Poehler continued. “And as far as I’m concerned, the Democrats can vote for a bong in the shape of Che Guevara and you got nothing to say about it!”

Meyers added, “I’ll take your political advice as soon as I’m done with my Jeffery Dahmer cookbook and my Harvey Weinstein fitness tapes.”

And his daughters cried.

rse

henry-is your first paragraph a reference to what was called parrallel distributed processing and is now called machine learning?

henry

They didn't study men, so have no idea if this highlights a way women are different:

A new study has discovered that depression, rather than sexism or discrimination, is driving women’s desire to leave STEM fields.

“Women in engineering are more motivated by helping others, and engineering education needs to provide more examples of engineering as a helping profession,” Rulifson recommended.

He also suggested that the ex-Google employee James Damore—author of the controversial memo about gender differences in tech—could have predicted a similar finding.

“It is worth noting that Damore was pilloried for noting that women tend to score higher on the Big Five personality trait known as neuroticism even though that difference predicts that women are more likely to experience depression and stereotype threat,” Reges said.

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=11160

Kevlar Kid

Our enterprise incubator includes AI centered start-ups. We knew nothing when we made the decision to establish an AI farm. Here's where we started in 2017:

https://www.networkworld.com/article/3198385/software/top-20-ai-experts-you-should-follow-on-twitter.html

Not into "shoulds" but it did put us in the communications loop within the industry--- newsletters, briefs, "name drops", project summaries with "who's whom" associated....

best wishes.

Captain Hate

henry, isn't autocucumber more like Business Intelligence where the underlying data is constantly being updated. I was really sorry that there just wasn't enough work at this one small company that did BI for me to stick around. The woman who ran it was one of the smartest people I've worked with and we still sporadically stay in touch.

henry

rse, the money seekers invent new names all the time. "Machine Learning" is the technical term behind most deployed AI.

rse

PDP seems to have been the term when this was theorized about at harvard and mit in the 70s and 80s and those are the theories also tied to how learning standards really work.

henry

CH, continuous learning is a specific technique in the Machine Learning field. "Business Intelligence" is a one size fits all bucket ranging from report writers to decision models (forecasts in Excel) that includes the newer "AI" for increased billing.

Kevlar Kid

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/270456/trumps-5-rules-ruling-world-daniel-greenfield

A great sift about what many of us here have either understood about entrepreneur Trump or have come to understand about President Trump.

Kevlar Kid

mebbe i missed it.... MM do you have a video link of Pompeo's fungo party yesterday with Congress?

henry

rse, the PDP (also an IBM programming language) kind of AI stuff took a different approach based on objects and relations. You start by defining objects with properties (plus inheritance etc) then build a normative model from there, ground up.

Current AI (behind self driving cars etc) is statistical and pragmatic. As in if the thing crashes, change something.

narciso

Sorry to go off thread so quickly but what is your opinion on hylonoric acid as treatment for knee pain?

Kevlar Kid

Speaking of start-ups, Mrs Kid and i were surprised in the best way by our son's pronouncement yesterday about his coming visit home tomorrow.

Baby Boy and his best bud at college, fellow team mate and entrepreneurial podna, are forming a blockchain company focused on hospitals.

they arrive tomorrow and will be attending two weekend galas in Marin County (San Rafael) at homes of two different financiers with much in play re blockchain.

there were rumblings throughout all of last schoolyear about an interest in that direction. plus, both had invested and cashed out of Ethereum and Bitcoin much better off financially than when they went in.

so--- here we go!

we'll know more about it all this weekend. we couldn't be happier. Baby Boy interned at a boutique hedge fund over in Point Richmond last year. in 90 days he learned more than it would take an avid reader to consume in 5 years. now he's making a foray into the Wild West.

i think this President is inspiring people in more ways than they know. despite the echo chamber mass media, the weather outside that bubble is very different for young minds that haven't been turned into cottage cheese.

rse

that's why pdp fits with the cybernetic model of learning standards and gordon pask's neural net work.

hoyden

Every time I see Lee Zeldin the part of my brain that processes fuzzy spelling sees Led Zepplin.

Captain Hate

Sorry to go off thread so quickly but what is your opinion on hylonoric acid as treatment for knee pain?

Bored with all this geek fu?

narciso

Its for my mother, the jom clinic is still open right?

Sbwaters

Who said hylonoric acid is off thread?

Beasts of England

A better deal than TTIP? How in the [redacted] could TTIP be better for the US? It was pushed by Obama and took input from a bunch of NGOs. Was that even a serious question?

Janet

((mebbe i missed it.... MM do you have a video link of Pompeo's fungo party yesterday with Congress?))

It is here - https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/07/25/30-hours-at-trump-speed/#more-152202

the questions start at around 21:35

Eye Doctor

James Clapper: 'Obama Is Responsible' for Starting Trump/Russia Investigations
https://pjmedia.com/trending/james-clapper-obama-is-responsible-for-starting-trump-russia-investigations/

The Infamous Ignatz

My intelligence is not only almost entirely artificial, but superficial as well, so I'm pretty sure I'm the guy, Jane.

Kevlar Kid

narciso:

a layman's view 1 year after spinal surgery

hyaluronic acid is a longer term preventative measure as it's principal function (as i was taught) is to assist the body's need to transport "water" into joints and spinal discs. keeping those assets full keeps the cushioning function at top efficiency reducing deterioration rates significantly.

HA also has a positive effect on keeping cartilage from turning brittle, compacting under load, and allowing bone on bone friction to uptick over time.

Mrs. Kid takes it religiously as she trains like a SEAL. i take it every three days.

if you eat chicken, then you will find that drum sticks contain an accessible supply that can support over-the-counter supplementation.

in the meantime if knee pain is discouraging rehabilitation activity, CBD's are very effective pain inhibitors. curbs pain but allows feeling enough to not overtax the affected area like a painkiller will allow.

best wishes.

Kev

narciso

The arrests yesterday in broward involve a partner firm with fusion gps.

Kevlar Kid

PS- narciso:

about those drumsticks...the leg/thigh joint is the storehouse for HA. get a bag of those bad boys and make a soup. the broth will hold the HA. won't have to eat pounds of chicken :D

Kev

Sbwaters

OT - Back home after spending 10 days touring champagne houses in Epernay and relaxing by the canals in Amsterdam.

We were warmly received by everyone except the JetBlue people at JFK who hid under their desks after cancelling our return flight JFK-SYR. 45 minute Taxi to Grand Central, Amtrack to Albany, and two hours by son driving to get home. (Except for jimmyk and his wife, does NYC have reason to exist?)

Not completely true. recouped strength at the Campbell Apartment bar, and several very helpful staff in Grand Central were an antidote to JFK terminals and Airtrains.

Days behind everything. Back soon.

rse

narciso-part of the key to getting rid of most of my knee pain was to realize something was wrong with the PT approach and discover that it was my hamstrings that needed strengthening and the emphasis had been more on quads.

red got tickled when she took me for new walking shoes last weekend as I have gotten up to about ten miles a week. The store has equipment to check foot pressure as well as filming on treadmill to check gait. Sales guy says "you are basically perfectly balanced". I said it took me two months to get that balance. Nice to see it showed up on camera.

Kevlar Kid

h/t Janet

narciso

Thanks, now back to the lesson that everything from the forbin project to ultron should have warned us about.

hoyden

PDP is also programmed data processor, an acronym Digital Equipment Corporation invented to sell minicomputers to the government when the government instituted a ban on buying computers. I programmed a PDP-8 in college through the front panel rocker switches.

Kevlar Kid

Pompeo hearing: Bobby Menendez speaking about "getting to the truth".... what a ridiculous human being.

Jane

" Gov't must provide the funding necessary to insure the success of Jane's AI endeavor."

Best news of the day.

Okay my next idiotic question. When Ancestry analyzes your DNA, does an AI guy determine what criteria in the DNA to use? And is the "science" always changing and getting better, or is that science completely settled.

Kevlar Kid

welcome home, sbw.

Miss Marple

Kev,

Just saw your post. I ran across it on CTH's site. Let me go get it from YouTube.

Beasts of England

Catching up from last night - the US flag is on the other side of Mars, Pin, that's why we can't see it... ;)

Miss Marple

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_omi9e1EoQA

narciso


Luces regret tagged him as a troll some months ago

https://dailycaller.com/2018/07/25/gop-gaetz-fec-twitter-shadow-ban

henry

When Ancestry analyzes your DNA, does an AI guy determine what criteria in the DNA to use?

what is a "marketing decision" for $100 Alex.

As i recall, there are several services that can load the raw numbers from the Ancestry DNA test and use different DNA markers to point out other info. (You can download that for a limited time after your test results are available).

The science is changing, i got different detail than my brothers did a year earlier.

Janet

It's like the Senators are mad that anyone is actually trying to SOLVE the problems that have been whined about for decades.

Heaven forbid Trump & his administration actually take an action & DO something to make things better for America.

~ohhhhh, change is scary...let's stay parked on this known crappiness & blah blah blah about it ad nauseam ~

Extraneus

600 Migrants Armed With "Flamethrowers And Feces" Break Through Spanish Border In Morocco

Miss Marple

Oh, I see Janet found the link.

I was out cleaning up the kitchen..

Kevlar Kid

not sure if this Open Letter to John Brennan was widely circulated or not...it appeared at tothepointnews.com yesterday but was published previously in May 2018.

too-shay.

https://andmagazine.com/us/1527014711.html

Miss Marple


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
24m24 minutes ago

Heading to Dubuque, Iowa and then Granite City, Illinois. Looking forward to being with many great friends!

Janet

~What will we whine about on TV if this problem actually gets solved?~

Extraneus

UK Govt Finally Launches Ethnic Origins Study of Child Rape Gangs After Decades of Abuse

The Home Secretary has ordered research into the ethnicity of grooming gangs and is working to improve the “targeting” of child sex abuse networks and “prevention activity”. Sajid Javid said that establishing the “particular characteristics” of the perpetrators was “critical to our understanding” of the crimes in towns including Rotherham, Telford, and Newcastle.

At the end of last year, researchers at the counter-extremism group the Quilliam Foundation published findings that 84 percent of those convicted since 2005 for the specific crime of gang grooming and rape were South Asian.

Indians?

(Ten bucks says this study never sees the light of day.)

Miss Marple

Janet,

I 100% agree with you about those senators. I watched a fair chunk of that hearing while waiting for the Rose Garden statement with junker.

I cannot describe what contempt I have for most of them, on both sides. It was infuriating.

Extraneus
And on Wednesday, it was reported that Rotherham MP Sarah Champion had been targeted by Muslim and hard-left groups for speaking about the “problem” of white girls being sexually abused by Muslim men in her constituency and across the nation.

When she made the comment last year, she was forced from a front bench job in the Labour Party. Backing her, Mr Javid tweeted Wednesday: “MP’s should be able do their job without being threatened or intimidated in any way. Sarah Champion has my full support.”

Writing to Ms Champion Wednesday, he expanded: “My officials have been working with investigating officers in relevant cases, and with the National Crime Agency, to establish the particular characteristics and contexts associated with this type of offending.

“We are looking at what this data set can tell us about the characteristics of offenders, victims and the wider context of abuse; all of which have critical bearing on the effective targeting of prevention activity.”

Jane

So Henry,

The science all these companies are exporting from your DNA is not settled? Is that correct? And are there scientists working on it, and schools teaching it?

Extraneus

Another Grooming Gang: Abuse on ‘Massive Scale’, Men Drugged and Raped Girls in ‘Sh*g Wagon’

(Click to enlarge.)

henry

Jane, the national origin stuff gets clearer as they get more samples (ie, "training" the model). Other DNA results can be used for studies in health care (if you agree) as disease markers get identified. I assume every med school / teaching hospital on the planet plus all the pharma companies study this full time.

Miss Marple

Regarding those DNA web sites:

I know of a case where a guy submitted his DNA on a whim and a contact turned out to be a daughter he never knew he had, and now, at retirement age and having one child with his wife, he is faced with a second child with family which he acknowledged through the DNA and now the estate can be contested by the unknown child..

As you can imagine, this has caused all sorts of problems in the family. (The first child was conceived before he ever met his present wife and the mother never told him - just gave the child up for adoption.)

Miss Marple

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5995587/Iranian-special-forces-leader-warns-Trump-war-destroy-own.html

Janet

KK's 10:35 link is very good.

Kevlar Kid

thanks, MM!

narciso

So it tunes out Davis, who had said in the past, that trump had invitee the Russians to hack Hillary, represented one of the lead oligarchs along mike chertoff, another 'concerned' about the Russians, with Hayden and kristol.

Abadman

Hyaluronic acid can be injected into your knee joint where it acts as a lubricant.
This works well for some but not all you won't know for sure until you try

I get an injection in my left knee about every 8 months and it works well for me - the recommended interval is 6 months

It brought me from severe pain along the whole leg centered on the knee to where I can run limited distances , 2 miles a few times a week. Losing some weight has helped as well

Contra to Kev I took it orally before starting the injections and it did not do too much for me, but I've had part of my meniscus removed in that knee

Miss Marple

This is great - on my way, see you soon @IAGovernor Kim Reynolds! https://t.co/SXfkk12Uig

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 26, 2018

Link goes to photo and tweet by Iowa Governor Kim Reynolds.

Kevlar Kid

Nice to read you abadman!

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