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November 02, 2003


Jon Henke

Odd, isn't it, that they all simply assumed that somebody who had a confederate flag MUST be racist.

Did stereotyping suddenly become acceptable?

And if we're to take Gephardt at his word, the Democrats would appreciate it if confederate flag-supporters would vote for a Republican.

Funny, it strikes me that Dean was simply using a colorful phrase for "people who carry guns in their cars".....it's the rest of the Dem field who is pandering. As fast as they can.

Brad DeLong

Well, you can go and read the accounts of the debates of the Secession Conventions if you wish...

So Dean has clued-in to the fact that he needs the south, and needs the south badly--that he has to convince people in the south that he is an honorary southerner. Well, Vermont is a rural state. And Dean does like to shoot. Is that enough?


Brad DeLong


Having spent time in Vermont (but not the South), I suspect that rural Vermonters are more like Southerners than they are like Manhattanites.

Which takes me back to Dean's "metrosexual" comment.

Julia Grey

Hey, he's a "straight-talker," right?




Gary Utter

Residents of rural Vermont are pretty similar to residents of rural New York. Neither are similar to Manhattanites.

The biggest difference between rural Vermonters (Vermontians? ), rural New Yorkers and rural Southerners is the accent.

Plus, Northerners don't understand grits.

Cecil Turner

Zell Miller spoke to Dean’s statement on Meet the Press, and slammed it as an offensive stereotype:

SEN. MILLER: Howard Dean knows about as much about the South as a hog knows about Sunday. This must be his Southern strategy. And I can tell you right now, that that’s the same kind of stereotype, that’s the same kind of character trait that I write about in this book. I write about in this book in 1988 Michael Dukakis coming to Georgia and having this rally, and they had all these bales of hay stashed around here and there, like it was some kind of set from the television show “Hee Haw.” That’s not what the South is. The South right now, if you took its economy, it would be the third largest in the world, next to the United States as a whole and next to Japan. Fifty-five hundred African-Americans right now hold office in the South. In Georgia we have several statewide elected officials who are African-American and who were elected last year in a race where a senator and a governor were being defeated. They were being elected in a state that’s 70 percent white. This is not the South that Howard Dean thinks it is. Sure, we drive pickups, but on the back of those pickups, you see a lot of American flags. It’s the most patriotic region in the country. And you see hardworking individuals that want to instill values in their children, and you see a very, very strong work ethic in the South. He doesn’t understand the South.

That sums up my opinion pretty well. Whatever he was trying to say, it came across as a northeastern liberal talking down to the South. At least he’s recognized he needs to carry some southern states . . . but this isn’t the way to go about it.


Wow. Did Zell stop there, or did he say something about Dean's mother?

Anyway. thanks very much. I actually think Dean was trying to say something sensible, like "Dems need to reclaim the rural white Southerners that have abandoned us, and cost us the governorship and a Senate seat in Georgia", but it loks like he may want to fine-tune that soundbite.

Tom Bowler

Now, imagine for a moment that George W. Bush said it.


Thanks for the good coverage. I was about to howl like a mashed cat, but then the link to Max and the sensible speech talk--well, I'm feeling mollified.

Nevertheless: Kucinich is the man!


Hey, Max thinks so too, thereby trashing my theory that Dennis' supporters could not fill a phone booth.

Cecil Turner

This is a little bit off-topic, but Miller also had an article in the WSJ (link requires registration) where he lambasts the entire field. Money quote:

I find it hard to believe, but these naive nine have managed to combine the worst feature of the McGovern campaign--the president is a liar and we must have peace at any cost--with the worst feature of the Mondale campaign--watch your wallet, we're going to raise your taxes. George McGovern carried one state in 1972. Walter Mondale carried one state in 1984. Not exactly role models when it comes to how to get elected or, for that matter, how to run a country.

....a moment with Easycure

At this point, Gary Coleman could jump into the Democratic race and get the nomnation.

Funny thing is, it wouldn't seem all that weird.


Hey, Max thinks so too, thereby trashing my theory that Dennis' supporters could not fill a phone booth

Two people, full telephone booth; ah, what are you implying?


Hmm, either a small phone booth, or that Max better get down to the gym more often; we assume all you West Coasters to be willowy.

Max B. Sawicky

I can easily fill up a phone booth all by myself, but if Emma wants to try to squeeze in with me that would be fine.

Whatz a "gym"?

ross g

as man from the south i find it an outrage that they consider us a bunch of hillbillies and as to rev. sharptons saying that the battle flag is like the swastika 2 jews he needs to open up a history book BECAUSE AFRICAN AMERICANS fought for the south, and they did because they wanted 2, rev. sharpton is a racist himself we show the flag in rememberance to the men who died to fight for what they believed in not out of racism and their are african americans that also fly this flag for the same reasons.

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