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August 11, 2004

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capt joe

brown book treatment?

Crank

We only honor the service of Democrats. Decorated veterans who work for the GOP get accused of, for example, phonying up terror alerts for political advantage (Tom Ridge, your patriotism has been questioned!). Or failing to take care of their brother veterans (Anthony Principi, your patriotism has been questioned!).

Jay Duffy

This Corsi guy is a piece of work. Called the Pope "senile", called both Catholics and Muslims boy rapers, implied Kerry and his wife are secretly Jews, likes to call powerful women fat Lesbos. Yeah, he sounds like one of Rush's good buddies. He's apologized. Maybe he was just doing drugs with Rush at the time.

And that oily, unctuous little ONeill creep already backed off him (what a pal!), calling him "only an editor".

Do you guys honestly think you have some kind of moral high ground here that entitles you to smear other citizens with impunity, while staying somehow completely immune yourselves? I mean, obviously the drug addict, adulterer Rush does, but is that a pattern with all you guys?

Tim

Jay Duffy, Moral Arbiter

Uh, the dude was an author who said some hateful things.

You candidate is a self-admitted war criminal (you can look it up).

You lose.

Jim Durbin

Jeh Johnson, the Campaign spokesman for Fox who spent last night and this morning talking about this, says all the records are released, as far as he knows.

And after watching O'Reilly, Hannity and the Fox morning guy take a pass on all of this, I wonder if this story isn't buried with, we looked at that already.

Fox is afraid of ticking off someone who may be president.

Not that they'll get credit for it anyway.

Jay Duffy

Actually the Fox CEO was one of about 200 CEOs who recently endorsed Kerry.

Chew on that.

Jay

from Open Secrets:

MURDOCH, RUPERT MR
NEW YORK,NY 10036

FOX ENTERTAINMENT GROUP INC./CHAIRM

4/21/2004

$25,000

Republican National Cmte

Slartibartfast

Odd. Can't find Murdoch anywhere on the list.

lapsed randian

Is it humanly possible to have a discussion of this subject without it devolving into ad hominem attacks? If those on the Left cannot see that this a significant issue--primarily because John Kerry has made it one--they don't deserve to be taken seriously and should be ignored.

ed

Hmmm.

1. "Do you guys honestly think you have some kind of moral high ground here that entitles you to smear other citizens with impunity, while staying somehow completely immune yourselves?"

Impunity? ummmm. Cocaine? Abortion? AWOL? deserter? Halliburton? Lied? Died?

You funny fella.

2. "Actually the Fox CEO was one of about 200 CEOs who recently endorsed Kerry.

Chew on that. "

And who gives a rat's ass?

3. "And after watching O'Reilly, Hannity and the Fox morning guy take a pass on all of this, I wonder if this story isn't buried with, we looked at that already."

Frankly I don't watch O'Reilly or Hannity so I wouldn't know. I figure this story isn't going to die and, once the book starts shipping, it'll take off.

Forbes

Jeez, You can disabuse John Corsi for the tenor and tone (read: not politically correct) of his comments, but, pray tell, what was incorrect?

That the Pope is senile? I don't know the Pope, and I'm not Catholic, so that one's down my list of imperative truths that one must know. But you must admit that the Pope appears to be a bit physically and mentally distressed. Does the Pope deserve more respect? Certainly. But then so does the President. But that doesn't appear to be forthcoming from the left, so adjust your standards accordingly.

I'd chaulk Mr. Corsi's comments up to hyperbole. It's not as if Mr. Duffy hasn't engaged in a wee bit of that! If you're going to argue the high ground, it helps to start out there.

Well, when you can't argue the facts, change the subject and hope the story goes away.

sym

CORSI: Too bad the plane didn't crash into the TV set of the NBC show "THE LEFT WING" -- especially when Martin Sheen was "acting."

Yeah, nothing wrong with that statement.

The Kid

sym -

Wow! There is a lot wrong with that statement. Martin Sheen is going to have to tell Kerry how to feel.

Dan Aibel

Wow. I usually disagree with the things I read here, but I've always thought of it as an intellectually honest blog. But this post crosses some sort of line.

Was the post so chuck full that there was no room to repudiate the things Corsi said?

Frank IBC

Atrios claims use of the word "Diversity" in a pro-gun T-shirt is "racist"? Doesn't he realize that, as a white male, his own name, "Duncan B. Black", is horribly racist?

Frank IBC

Jay Duffy -

"This Corsi guy is a piece of work...implied Kerry and his wife are secretly Jews..."

If you'd actually read what Corsi actually said, Corsi was not criticising the Kerrys for possibly being Jewish, but rather for their flitting about from religion to religion ala Madonna or Britney Spears, as if religion is just a plaything for their amusement.

Sort of like you - you use your supposed Catholicism whenever it suits you - whenever a Democrat who happens to be a Catholic is criticised, or a Republican criticizes a Catholic, you scream "anti-Catholic!" But when Catholics support the Republicans, you attribute it to mindless religious fanaticism.

TM

I've always thought of it as an intellectually honest blog. But this post crosses some sort of line.

Was the post so chuck full that there was no room to repudiate the things Corsi said?

Gee, Dan, you didn't repudiate his comments in your comment - guess we're both racist hatemongerers.

Actually, I boldly addressed your very "point" waaay back when, on a closely related subject.

Shorter version - I'm not a big one for ritualistic denunciations. If you seriously think I'm defending Corsi's comments, show some evidence. If you think that, by failing to condemn them, I am endorsing them, I disagree.

P.S. I look for intellectual honesty in my commenters, too - ain't life full of disappointment?

Johan

Someone over at the Free Republic shows where the smears originated on BartCop's site.

That's where atrios got all the information on Corsi. The leftists all worked together to mass-email the story to Kerry's campaign HQ and Salon and MMFA.

If you go to this link at FR you will see where they tracked all the activity on BartCop, go to #82: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1189130/posts?q=1&&page=51

The threads at BartCop are linked so you can see for yourself where Atrios got his information. They say it was an ex-FReeper who dropped the dime on Corsi.

spider

Kerry vs the swift boat vets all boils down to a "he said she said wet towel fight." Was Kerrys boat pointed towards the battle or away from battle....was his wound of purple heart caliber or not..... was he inside cambodian borders or just in the vicinity of the boarder and on and on and on.

If Kerry is guilty of anything, it is not making peace with a group of heroic men who have had the red ass against him for thirty years.

As a Viet Nam Vet I can understand how Kerry's statements back in the 70's would cause the adverse reaction coming to the surface by John Oneil. It just seems to me that O'Neil and his group need to here from Kerry that he was no better or worse than them, that under the circumstances they all served their country with honor, and that like all soldiers, each did whatever it took to survive and come home in one piece.

It is time for both men to confront their personal demons concerning the war and to make peace within themselves. O'Neil must here from Kerry that he is not viewed as sub -human animal, rather that O'Neil and all other vets are to honored for their service and that our country understands that any individual put under certain circumstances may be forced to actions that they themselves condemn.

O'Neil needs to tell Kerry that he understands his actions after the war and knows that Kerry was doing the best he could to wash himself from the dirt of disgust he felt for participating in the war. O'Neil needs to "grow up" and realize that the ultimate goal of all vets is to seek peace within themselves and with their actions.

There are some that need special condemnation and should receive public scorn. On the Kerry side, I have utter contempt for those who have turned him into a little toy soldier that exploits the fantasy of what bravery and courage is. I know John Kerry just like I know any man who has fought in war, who has killed or who has seen others killed. And I know that any false bravado is just an attempt to hold back the tears that are always present whenever a memory of the past is relived.

On the Oneil side, I hold in contempt those who have exploited his anger and who by doing so retard Mr Oneil's live long process of self healing. These human scavengers need to publically humiliated for their actions.

and to everyone else, get a life. who cares if george bush spent his whole national guard duty sitting in some honky-tonk. And who cares if Kerry bought his medals at the five and dime. They were both tadpoles back then, and both have matured into public servants who should be held accountable for their actions while in the public service. It seems to me their is more than enough material to discuss about these candidates in this realm that would lead to a truer picture of the individuals and thus allow the public to make an informed choice.

It is time for the public to say enough enough is enough, that we are tired of "war of the worlds fear" and we are tired of "b" movie type distractions. It is time for both sides to growup and realize that this election will not only effect us, but generations to come.

FreepThroat

There is a person who is claiming on another website that Corsi stole all his information for the book.

Why doesn't anyone care.

Frank IBC

FreepThroat -

Thanks, that's really specific information. I'm sure you heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend...

Brad DeLong

At least John Corsi isn't a Druglord like George Soros!!

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