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January 30, 2005



At this stage, if Kerry pulls a 180 and signs the 180, it can only hurt him. Either it has something damning, or it doesn't, and if it doesn't, it makes him look like an idiot for not signing it the minute the Swift Vets came on the scene.


Good point. Unless there is something awkward but forgettable by 2008, his refusal to sign last fall will look stupid.


He won't sign it. If he does, he's toast.


Yeah, I will believe it when I see it.

I have no idea why he would run for Prez again in 2008. I doubt the primary voters will be so stupid a second time. And who would be giving him money? I bet even Teresa would be cutting him off at that point.

Appalled Moderate


Kerry's 2004 campaign already looks stupid. If he is truly going to run in 2008, he should admit myriad campaign errors, graciously blame his aides, then dispose of this issue, particularly now that he has promised to do so.

Patrick R. Sullivan

If he signs the 180, we'll know the answer to the mystery of his 12 year stint in the navy. So, I doubt he'll do it. What a fool.

He's also still trying to save face over Christmas in Cambodia, by claiming Steve Gardner didn't know that they were "right on the border". But, if he'd read his own diary entries for Dec. 24-25, 1968--which the Boston Globe has published--he'd see that he was 50 miles from the border, around Sa Dec

Not to mention his stupidity in recycling his "plan" for Iraq on the very day Bush, Condi, and Rumsfeld are vindicated.

Patrick R. Sullivan

"SEN. KERRY: I still have the hat that he gave me, and I hope the guy would come out of the woodwork and say, "I'm the guy who went up with John Kerry. We delivered weapons to the Khmer Rouge on the coastline of Cambodia."

That would a second treasonous act--giving aid and comfort to the enemy in war time--to be added to his collaborating with the North Vietnamese Communists in Paris in 1970.


Re Tim Russert and the 180: I'm not a reporter, talk- or news-show host, anchor or "infotainer" (e.g., Katie Couric), so I clearly don't know anything about "journalistic standards". But I am a career prosecutor, and do know something about smoking out false statements and getting to the truth, as Mr. Russert claims from time to have some expertise in. And I want to ask him, "WHY THE HELL DIDN'T YOU JUST PLOP A 180 DOWN IN FRONT OF KERRY?". I suspect because of the unspoken credo that gentlemen and -women of the press don't embarrass gentlemen of the left; they save that for righties.

Geek, Esq.

He might as well sign it. It's not like the Democrats are going to run his patrician ass out there in 2008.


Let me guess ..

Kerry will sign the Form 180 .. then tear it up.

Harry Arthur

The 180 will reveal that his original discharge was other than honorable. Just read his current discharge. Look at the date and look at the "subject to a board of officers" language.

Just Don

Who cares if he signs it? It is already toast!


One conspiracy at a time, please. We know Bush missed a medical which left him suspended. Have you gotten to the bottom of that yet? I mean, he IS the president. Surely the medical records of the president are MORE important than those of a senator?

Besides. Kerry looks healthier. He looks like he could eat a whole pretzel.

Cecil Turner

"Surely the medical records of the president are MORE important than those of a senator?"

The issue is military records, not medical ones. (BTW, Occam's Razor suggests Bush neglected to take the physical because he wasn't flying, rather than the converse.)

"Besides. Kerry looks healthier. He looks like he could eat a whole pretzel."

Afterward he could sign himself up for another bronze star. (With a PH, if he managed to injure himself in the process.)


"We put all the records out that I had been sent by the military. Then at the last moment, they sent some more stuff, which had some things that weren't even relevant to the record."

I've thought about this line for a while now and the "Then at the last moment" phrase keeps jumping out at me.

I bet somewhere down the line, especially if Kerry really tries to run again, that Kerry will point to this phrase and say that that last batch of documents were fakes.

I won't go as far as to say he will claim Karl Rove wrote them, but he will claim surprise as to why some of the documents came "at the last moment".

This will then be used to cast doubt on all the documents in his military record.

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