Memeorandum


Powered by TypePad

« The Extraordinary Reach (And Foresight) Of The NeoCons | Main | Judy's Game »

August 02, 2005

Comments

kim

Sometimes the search for a single source seems like the vigil to see the first bubble as a pot boils.

Patrick R. Sullivan

'they gave me the name'

More likely 'he' gave me the name. Which points the source of 'Plame' being George Tenet, who would likely have known Valerie before she married Joe Wilson.

Tenet also fits SAO and not 'a partisan gunslinger'.

Patrick R. Sullivan

'there's a very clear potential motive for referring to her by her maiden name.'

Only if you knew that she'd (1)been a covert operative and (2) used that name while operating overseas as a covert agent--which, according to one of her former bosses, is not at all certain.

Some of the operatives outed recently by an Italian judge were pseudonyms.

boris

I would argue that her name, per se, is not important.

Of the info bits made public during this snafu some were almost certainly classified.

Which ones were and weren't is hard to nail down because ... well ... that information is probably classified.

Jimmy's Attack Rabbit

Thanks Plame Blogcasting Network! It takes real genius to keep Nada-gate going......A Who's Who listing for our super-secret agent Ms. Plame! Brillant!

Dwilkers

Gad I wish Fitz would finish this up, its been 2 years after all. How long can something like this take FGS? He has to know the basic facts by now.

kim

Is the suspense killing you? Do you suppose Fitz is a Hitchcock fan?
================================================

kim

Is he politically ambitious a la Giuliani or Spitzer?
============================================

TM

Less like Spitzer, more like The Terminator, according to a WaPo profile which has gone missing.

Oh, here we go.

Black Jack

Perhaps the time has come to start looking into the provenance of the Niger Yellowcake memos. Could Judith Miller possibly provide some insight into the issue? Under oath she might be able to help locate the forger. That would be a great help to understanding.

kim

I desperately hope that Fitz has joined forces with the FBI investigation of the forgeries, and is closing in on the perps.

They probably stem from weeks before the 01 inauguration. Was their origin Italian renegade greed, French duplicity, Admin conniving, or CIA plotting. That is the question worth considering, and it may have appealed to Fitz.
================================================

kim

Or Chalabi?
==========

Syl

I'm afraid from the leaks so far, anyway, it looks like Fitzgerald isn't looking into motive and thus at Wilson, Niger, yellowcake, or forgeries much if at all. I hope I missed something.

It wouldn't be Chalabi. He's gotten a bum rap AFAIC. Anyway, he wouldn't do such a sloppy job. And the sloppy job seems to indicate that the forgeries were supposed to be detected as forgeries. Chalabi was pro invastion, not agin it, and attempting to discredit our intelligence would weaken the case for war.

kim

If the origin were French duplicity, CIA plot, or Chalabi, they may have been meant to be found out. Italian greed may have just been inept. That leaves Admin; would they make it easy to discover?
==================================================

kim

It is curious that the IAEA found out the forgery in hours, at the last minute. I've seen, but can't find now, a post by Eriposte which claims that the CIA figured out the forgery long before is generally known, and that there may be two sets of forgeries.
=================================================

kim

and I think the leaks may be a poor guide, since they all seem to have an agenda. Fitz's thinking is still cryptic.
==============================================

Syl

Not Chalabi, Kim. Because he was pro-invasion. The forgeries were done for the money (and poorly done) or done as disinformation (so they would be discovered easily enough as forgeries and thus discredit our case for war).

You may very well be right about the leaks. All I can do is hope.

MJW

kim -- is this the Eriposte post you were referring to?

kim

Yep, MJW, and thanks.

Yeah, I don't know about Chalabi. He is only in it because of the Judith Miller connection and because nothing is beyond the capability of the Master of the Bazaar. I couldn't speculate as to his motives but if I could there is little reason to limit the possibilities. It fits his modus, his motive(granted not the obviousness of the forgeries), and the timeline.
=================================================

kim

Yep, MJW, and thanks.

Yeah, I don't know about Chalabi. He is only in it because of the Judith Miller connection and because nothing is beyond the capability of the Master of the Bazaar. I couldn't speculate as to his motives but if I could there is little reason to limit the possibilities. It fits his modus, his motive(granted not the obviousness of the forgeries), and the timeline.
=================================================

BCN

I have been thinking this for a while and am still confused why Plame would be a name a covert operative (spy) would go by. It was her real name. I would think that the agency could come up with something better for cover than your real name. I understand that there is the whole NOC thing about working for an other company, I would still think they could come up with something better than her real name. Just my 2 cents.

Is there an answer?

kim

What a fascinating tuppenny you've picked up. Was it face up?
===============================================

L.E.Kline III

I don't know alot. But if I were a betting man I'd put even money that Miller, The NYT and some one in the CIA are going to get caught in a web of their own making.
Copper called Rove,Asked him?
Rove said, I've heard that?
Rove released reporters to talk?
Fitz knows miller's source.
I just can't believe that Miller and the NYT would protect anyone in the Bush WH.
Wilson was fast and loose with the truth.
He was trying to make Bush look bad.
This whole investigation was suppose to nail Rove?
But that doesn't seem to be what Fitz is looking at.
I tell ya, Oh what tangled webs we weave....

Cordially,
J.C.

TigerHawk

Two points.

First, this is getting so complicated that I can't follow it, but I still find your work, Tom, to be intensely entertaining. Great stuff.

Second, one of the reasons why I find it so entertaining is that you write stuff like this: "But even with the limited goal of heading down a blind alley, Ms. Kornblut takes a wrong turn." Bwahahahaha!

jukeboxgrad

PATRICK: "Which points the source of 'Plame' being George Tenet"

Why would Tenet send this matter to DOJ knowing the trail led back to him?

DWILKERS: "Gad I wish Fitz would finish this up"

He wants to crack Miller first.

LE: "Copper called Rove,Asked him? Rove said, I've heard that?"

You're mixing up the Rove-Novak conversation with the Rove-Cooper conversation. In the former, Rove allegedly said, "I heard that too." In the latter, Rove told Cooper about Plame. Cooper didn't already know.

"I just can't believe that Miller and the NYT would protect anyone in the Bush WH."

Maybe you're not familiar with how Miller shilled for Chalabi et al pre-war.

"This whole investigation was suppose to nail Rove? But that doesn't seem to be what Fitz is looking at."

I guess that's why Fitz just called two of Rove's people.

kim

It's still curious, as BCN pointed out, that Valerie Plame used her real name through a career as an undercover agent.
================================================

jukeboxgrad

How do you know that's true? And if you know that it was true some of the time, how do you know that it was true 100% of the time?

kim

Why don't you get the details of it for us? The curiosity of it is that her real name was used at all. But that was apparent to the curious, and would be missed by the hyperreactive dogmatics among us.

Or else it is not unusual to use a real name despite becoming undercover. Does anyone know?
=================================================

jukeboxgrad

"Why don't you get the details of it for us?"

Because it was you who made the claim, not me. Let me know when you would like to step forward in order to find proof for all sorts of unsubstantiated allegations I might decide to pull out of my hat, the way you do.

kim

Oh go boil your head.

Anybody know if it is unusual for an undercover agent to use her birth name?
=====================

The comments to this entry are closed.

Wilson/Plame