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September 10, 2005

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richard mcenroe

"panther slim"? Are the editors and writers at the Times in the habit of seeing black men as predators?

Jim E.

Had they spent time dwelling on his race, conservatives (but not you, apparently) would roll their eyes at the predictable, patronizing cheerleading going on by the NY Times. Rush Limbaugh would crow about the Times was promoting the dude only because he was black, like Donovan McNabb.

While race and class do seem like an obvious part of the Gretna story, they don't necessarily play a part in EVERY story.

Jim E.

I also find it ironic that you'd approvingly mention Condi "Racism in LA? No way!" Rice in your own politically correct post.

richard mcenroe

Jim E — It's when the Times chooses to play the race angle, and when it doesn't, that makes a difference... and displays the reason why "progressives" in this country have made so little progress in race relations since the Republicans broke the Democratic filibuster of the Voting Rights Act...

AST

Perhaps the Times feels that emphasizing racism other than George Bush's might lessen its impact.

TM

Had they spent time dwelling on his race...

I am not sure an additional word - "black", before businessman, perhaps - would constitute "dwelling".

Instead, we get the Times pretending that his race is simpy not relevant in this enlightened day and age, while at the same time they frantically semaphore it. Ridiculous.

Jim E.

"and displays the reason why 'progressives' in this country have made so little progress in race relations since the Republicans broke the Democratic filibuster of the Voting Rights Act..."

Of course, the President who strove for and signed the Voting Rights Act was a Dem (and several Republicans -- such as Goldwater and H. W. Bush voted against the just passed Civil Rights Act). It was mostly because of LBJ's championing of the civil rights movement that the white southern Dems (whom you rightly criticize) became todays Republicans. (And just to clarify, I'm NOT saying that all, or even most, of today's white Southern Republicans are racist.)

Jim E.

"Instead, we get the Times pretending that his race is simpy not relevant in this enlightened day and age."

Hyperbole, as even the last paragraph of your previous post proves.

MaDr

I hope a MS Ford is better than a TN Ford. Not the indictments, but the rhetoric vs the action. Surely you remember Harold Jr berating Bush for not calling Congress into session to approve emergency funding for Katrina? Well Bush did within 24 hrs, and where was Harold Jr when it was time to vote? Not fulfilling his responsibilities, that's for sure.

MaDr

"And just to clarify, I'm NOT saying that all, or even most, of today's white Southern Republicans are racist"

What say you on today's Louisiana Democrats? They do control the state, Gretna, and NO? Are they racist, stupid, or merely incompetent?

Jim E.

"I am not sure an additional word - 'black', before businessman, perhaps - would constitute 'dwelling'."

Given how long you "dwelled" on the article which included a picture (a friggin' picture, for crissakes!) of a guy who --
1. caters for gospel-concerts
2. makes a comment about a "white-guy"
3. is described as a role model for African-Americans --
it seemed that you wanted more than a single word. I stand corrected.

I look forward to your outrage from every article about how some movie or song or entertainer is popular with "urban audiences." Should every person featured in every article about NOLA be described by their race? Or should this be true about every article about everything?

But it's awesome that you care about those who read the Times in Braille and dense researchers who will read this article on Lexus-Nexus years down the road. You've done a public service.

P.S. There was a friggin' picture of the guy (as you noted).

TM

1. caters for gospel-concerts
2. makes a comment about a "white-guy"
3. is described as a role model for African-Americans --

Good points! Of course, the Crossword puzzle is also available, for folks who enjoy solving mysteries.

Am I saying something complicated here? Let me try again - if the fact that Ford is black is a relevant part of the story, the Times should say so, not just hint around it.

richard mcenroe

And there is, of course, the Times' implicit assumption that white role models are inapproapriate/unreachable for African-Americans...

inmypajamas

There is a habit among white liberals, which overwhelmingly comprise the staff at the NYT, of avoiding classification of anyone by their skin color in conversation (and in print as well). I experienced this to an annoying degree when working as a NP in a public health clinic in the South. The unspoken rule was to never describe patients by their skin color but it was o.k. to point out clothing color, hairstyle, etc. in trying to locate particular patients in the waiting room. I had one ridiculous conversation with a staff member trying to bring back a patient to my exam room and being unable to locate her with what I was "allowed" to use as descriptors until I finally said, "Oh, for heaven's sake, the black woman." Success! I am not sure of the rationale behind this silliness but it is very real.

Jim E.

TM,
The race of Bob Ford is NOT relevant to the story.

But if you think the info provided in the story in relation to his race is somehow "mysterious," you have an inflated sense of your own intelligence in comparison to the rest of us semi-literate folk. It's really not that cleverly hidden, and I think people can figure it out -- not that it really matters.

As for the personal details included in the piece, well, it's a feature story. The reporter was trying to provide personal details, not all of which are necessarily absolutely of paramount importance, but which provide some interesting background info. I just find your obsession with race today to be bizarre.

Again, there was a picture of the guy right next to the story. Who exactly do you think doesn't know he's black?

Jim E.

Also: maybe the editor removed the word "black" (again, not that it matters at all) knowing that a picture would be right there. Would be kind of redundant, don't you think? Race is usually only identified in stories where it matters.

kim

Liberals and blacks only get along when the latter are poor and helpless, or can be stereotyed as such. Once off the plantation, black people are despised by much of the liberal establishment.
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kim

Pussy-footing around race, by the Times or their readers, is condescending and racist. That's why we're obsessed; it's blatant hypocrisy, unrecognized, and insidious.
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