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October 12, 2005

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topsecretk9

oh this little buggers been busy...never claimed to debunk...

http://www.americanthinker.com/comments.php?comments_id=3369

topsecretk9

Gannon was a hustler..by night...so what?...he has civil rights and freedom of speech...just like Joe Wilson!

ordi

Top,

Don't you know "WE" are suppose to be Outraged, disgusted, turn our Secret Republican Decoder Rings in and be mad as hell that we ain't going to take it anymore because of Gannon's personal life. ;) If we don't were hypocrites. The Dems like to give us these little "Catch 22" puzzles to squirm out of. They don't realize This ain't your daddy's GOP anymore! LOL :)

pollyusa

Machos

I was responding to speculation upthread regarding how Gannon knew about the memo.

To be clear, I think the virtually identical text tends to indicate he knew about he memo from the WSJ article.

I must say you seem to be reading alot more into my comment on Gannon than I mentioned.

clarice

The one thing this story misses--the thing which would get it the attention it merits is a sex scandal..DAMN

Jeff

They don't realize This ain't your daddy's GOP anymore!

Tell it to David Dreier.

topsecretk9

Ordi---no kidding...I call it "pretzels"

Clarice---who knows there may just be a blue dress after all, if not symbolically...I thinking a "notebook"

topsecretk9

Tell it to David Dreier.

and Janice Rogers Brown too!

TM

As to whether the unidentified man mentioned by Polly is Gannon - I will say no for a couple of reasons:

(a) he should have been identifed as a reporter, not a private citizen, since he worked for the news service they had just cited.

(b) Gannon appeared on a subpoena list from Jan 2004. (The list was for WH officials to deliver any record of contacts with a bunch of reporters, including Russert, Cooper, Amdrea Mitchell, and Gannon.) Seems odd that they would talk to a reporter first.

FWIW, if I ever made up a Top Ten Favorite Posts list so my mom could see what her son is wasting his time on, this summary of the Gannon debacle would be on it.

clarice

I'm not your mother of course, but that is a hell of a wrap up and a great deal harder to do than it looks. I'm sure she'd be proud of your work..It's excellent..

Why not start compiling thse things and seek a book contract? You've already done the research and analysis..

topsecretk9

oh my ...TM...OWNS the press after this...his straight and narrow approach has set TM up as a virtual "clear"ing house (calling Poter Goss) after this thing is blows...and like I said before, that is not even including the NYT's "after action report"....I pity just the title of "ombudsmen" after TM is done...

I think I should say this again, blog drive...tip the donation jar...TM's gonna need to buy some more bandwidth

Jim E.

"his straight and narrow approach"

??? You obviously missed TM's slimier moments, such as when he passed along sex life gossip about a public figure never before associated with adultury. No corroboration, no verification, no class, just smear. Hardly "straight and narrow."

Jeff

Here's an interesting tidbit, on a topic TM has had some interest in:

New York Times op-ed columnist Nicholas D. Kristof--the first journalist to have written about former ambassador Joseph Wilson's now-famous fact-finding trip to Niger--was originally on prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald's subpoena list in 2003, but was never subpoenaed.

In a phone conversation this afternoon, Kristof said he had been on the list. He also said that he had never heard from Bush administration officials about his columns, and had never discussed the subject with Times reporter Judith Miller.

There's some more in the article.

Jim E.

If Wilson and Plame are supposedly the "real" wrongdoers in this whole episode -- as so many of the partisan hacks that comment here repeatedly claim -- I'm wondering why Kristof and David Corn have never testified in front of the grand jury.

BumperStickerist

You obviously missed TM's slimier moments, such as when he passed along sex life gossip about a public figure never before associated with adultury. No corroboration, no verification, no class, just smear. Hardly "straight and narrow."

This would be the Alexandra Polier/Kerry thing, right?

On a coffee-fueled whim I decided to look through the relevant timespan on Tom's blog through the latter half of February 2004, then March looking for Tom's SMEAR of a good, if nuanced, public savant servant.

If it's there, it's not in bold print or a recurring story like, say, Kerry's self-contradicting timeline regarding his Vietnam service, Kerry's self-contradicting policy positions, and Kerry's other self-contradicting statements.

Lost in the din of 'SMEAR' is that it originated with a Democratic presidential candidate, one General Wesley Clarke. Not a staff member, but from the lips of the General Himself.

Also, if this is Kerry we're talking about, the 'never before associated with adultery' line is a bit of a stretch given that Kerry had his first marriage annulled.

Here's at least one cite:

from mid-February, 2004 - Presidential historian Douglas Brinkley said Thursday that reports indicating that John Kerry's first marriage to heiress Julia Thorne had collapsed amidst allegations of infidelity should not become an issue in this year's presidential campaign.

Jeff M

I sent this as an e-mail to Tome this morning, but I will post it here as well:

You may not have caught it so I thought that I would tell you that my when my clock-radio, which is tuned to the soothing voices of NPR, went off this morning it was all about Plame and Judith Miller. The report went on at length about how the New York Times had failed it’s readership in not reporting on Judith Miller’s involvement in l’affair Plame. The tone was quite critical of the Times and of Miller, and only once did they mention Karl Rove (right at the end when they threw in the obligatory spike). I think that they have panicked and are trying to get out in front of the story after months of trying to damn Karl Rove in this thing. NPR usually posts their broadcast as a sound file on their site a little bit after the broadcasts are concluded in case you want to check it out…

CaseyL

I just want to thank Tom for running this site. It's a convivial atmosphere for wingers, where they can spin their fact-free fantasies without having a lot of downbeats who actually know the law barging in.

I'm particularly enthralled by the spinners' claims that Wilson and Plame will be indicted. That's purest hothouse logic. It starts out with a willful disregard for facts already established about Plame's status, flavored with a seasoning of ignorance about how the CIA operates; then rabbits happily onward with blithe disregard for what's actually going on in the GJ, which witnesses are called, or what they say they testified to. How else could they come up such fever dream theories?

I hope that the wingnuts who live in the hothouse are also the kind of social parasites who believe jury duty is "involuntary servitude," because they strike me as exactly the sorts of people who should never be allowed near jury duty.

BR

Jeff, very interesting about Kristof not being called to testify to the GJ.

And so too, from Jeff E:
"If Wilson and Plame are supposedly the "real" wrongdoers in this whole episode... I'm wondering why Kristof and David Corn have never testified in front of the grand jury."

I've read commenters familiar with GJ proceedings say that the targets of a GJ are seldomly (or never?) called to testify.

BR

Jeff E shd be Jim E, above.

Lesley

I don't think enough attention has been paid to Karl Rove's remark (in his email) to Hadley wrt his conversation with Cooper: "I didn't take the bait."

Is it possible that the WH was on to something long before the rest of us? Much has been made of the fact that, initially, the WH was "behind the curve" on this Yellowcake/Wilson/Niger biz. I wonder if their anntenae didn't go up IMMEDIATELY upon reading Kristoff's first salvo and they deliberately chose to keep their own counsel in order to watch this story unfold.


JayDee

Do any of the Lefties here understand democratic politics?

This kind of condescending self importance from winger bloggers is exactly why the karma of these lovely indictments will be so incredibly satisfying.

I can already hear the dumbfounded silence from all the deluded winger extremists when Plame and Wilson aren't the ones indicted. Of course, it will probably be covered up in the waves of Fitzgerald-smearing and the whining about "criminalizing politics". (Nice of the RNC Talking Point generator to get out in front of that one.)

I mean, we've gotten used to Big Government Conservatives and Nation Building Conservatives and Pork Barrel Glutton Conservatives. It won't feel like such a shock when we see Criminal Coddling Conservatives.

And I'm thinking it will be the Tidy Righties who are about to get a lesson in democratic politics. Yes, Mr. Macho, winning IS better than losing. I concur.

boris

Count: 22 chickens from 2 unhatched rotten eggs

Cecil Turner

You obviously missed TM's slimier moments . . . no class, just smear.

As opposed to quips like your "gay porn" bit above? Or the class involved in calling your host "slimy"? Might want to rethink that one.

I can already hear the dumbfounded silence from all the deluded winger extremists when Plame and Wilson aren't the ones indicted.

I must've missed the waves of deluded winger extremists who claim they will be. On the other hand, I recall quite a few predictions of "frog-marching" that now look dubious.

JayDee

It's become a shade more subtle in recent dark days, but the delusionalists are pretty prevalent here. A show of hands, guys, from all who think Plame & Wilson are Fitzy's real targets? BR? Kim? Clarice?

And yeah, I don't think we'll get to see Bush's chubby Brain technically being frog-marched, but are you saying his chances of being indicted look less likely now than they did two years ago?

BumperStickerist

fwiw, JayDee, our winger Karma ran over your moonbat Dogma.

BR

Re: Posted">http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2005/10/check_the_times.html#comment-10266538">Posted by: pollyusa | October 12, 2005 at 07:45 PM

It's a pity Machos didn't recognize a top notch pajama sleuth on his own side :)
Anyway, you stylometrics whiz, you – that comparison is amazing. I don't know if Gannon was just quoting the WSJ or if the so-called classified INR memo was deliberately leaked to him as part of the Plame cabal's setup of the WH, but to me something stank when I saw the left's long and dogged pursuit of Gannon spanning years, always coming up with a new angle when the previous one didn't work, and I look forward to reading TM's link to his Gannon wrapup.

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Re your other question, perhaps it was in the earlier thread – whether I think Miller caught the falling, turning trees message from Libby. IF it was code, he would use something familiar to them both. Things they may have discussed in the past; e.g., if they are both Watergate aficionados. But is he in cahoots with her, saying it's time to turn like McCord and John W. Dean III? Or is there some opposite meaning? If they both have a higher loyalty to a third party, perhaps foreign, group (beyond the RNC and DNC), then I don't know how this will turn out. "…They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them."

What bothers me is Libby's 1985-2000 connection to Marc Rich.

BR

Lesley, re yours above - Rove's e-mail to Hadley after speaking to Cooper: "I didn't take the bait." My thoughts exactly! Back on July 19th (see last 2 paragraphs at 01:03PM).

Lesley

BR: Great catch! Your brain works alot faster than mine. I had been reviewing Tom's timeline and that thought (finally) occured to me, too.

BR

Lesley, that's sooo funny because I just discovered I saw Polly's referenced WSJ article ages ago, and forgot about it in this CIA/MSM can of worms. So many worms, too little time!

BR

Clarice, re yours at 10/12/05 08:00 PM:
"The one thing this story misses--the thing which would get it the attention it merits is a sex scandal..DAMN"

Hee, I know what you mean. I tried my best to make the dry story sexy, http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2005/07/we_need_a_visio.html#comment-7512002>here :) [Cross-linked at an interesting Wizbang thread here and lower down.]

(PS to Polly – wow, there's that sexy WSJ article! I had clean forgotten that it inspired my late-night delights.)


Jim E.

Bumperstickerist,
Nope, the TM-smear reference was unrelated to Kerry. Different politico that he went after. But, yes, he was of course sliming a Dem.

BR,
You're not suggesting that Kristof and David Corn are targets, are you? (Wilson has been in front of the GJ, I believe. At a minimum, he was interviewed by FitzGerald's people. One or the other.)

Cecil Turner,
Jeff Gannon really WAS involved with gay porn (or gay hooker) services, and advertised such things on the web, along with graphic pictures. It was not at all a smear on my part to seriously point out that his website was work safe. I know I would think twice about clicking a "Jeff Gannon" website if I was at work, which is why I added the disclaimer. Please advise how this is a smear. And I'm surprised you've missed all of the posts on various comment-threads predicting that Wilson and Plame are the ones who will be indicted. Finally, I do think it is slimy behavior to post unfounded gossip about people's personal lives. Don't you?

BR

Jim E, it's an interesting indicator. I believe it was already discussed in the "22 Plame Indictments" thread a few days ago, here. That item contains the names believed to have been on the GJ list (as compiled by "Mac Ranger"), but I haven't seen a comparison list of who did not testify. Maybe it's also there in that thread. Do you have a link?

BR

Talking about links – I could swear I read somewhere recently that Kristof was in Niger at the time of a WP/Pincus(?) article mid 03 – was it here at JustOneMinute? A link, anyone?

Cecil Turner

Finally, I do think it is slimy behavior to post unfounded gossip about people's personal lives. Don't you?

The usual standard for a comment thread is to pretend you're sitting in the host's living room. Unless directly related to the discussion, citing Guckert's web sites or others' marital issues is probably bad form (about equally, I'd say), but seems to me unremarkable. Discussing the host's "slimier moments," however, is probably over the line. I presume if someone did that in your living room, you'd show them the door. Don't you?

Jim E.

CT,
Citing Guckert's website in response to a comment-thread discussion that brought up Guckert is "bad form"? (Others, not me, brought up Gannon/Guckert.) News to me. The Guckert website I cited was directly related to the discussion (even if TM pointed out later that Guckert lied on it, a point I don't dispute now that he made me aware of it). If TM writes about the NY Times, is it "bad form" if I reference other NY Times' articles? It would help me a great deal if you would list all the other "rules" you'd like me to follow.

And you think my bringing up a disclaimer about Guckert's actual, factual, and verified graphic porn images is in the same league as TM publicizing unfounded personal gossip about someone TM doesn't know personally? Strange. I'd think relevant facts would get some priority over uncorroborated smears. I have crossed no line. Someone else described TM as "straight and narrow" and I thought it worth pointing out that that's not always the case.

And regarding your defense of TM: he has never shied away from putting me in my place in the past, and I think he's a big boy who can stand legitimate (and even illegitimate) criticism. He allows comments after all. I don't care whose living room I'm in, if someone makes an offensive statement, I reserve the right to pipe up.

If you think ugly personal (and unfounded) smears are "unremarkable," how in the world does my labeling the use of such smears as "slimy" offend you to the level of saying I "crossed a line"? Either you have a high threshold for offensiveness, or a low one. Yours is quite selective. My adjective of slimy is hardly remarkable.

Cecil Turner

The Guckert website I cited was directly related to the discussion . . .

Gay porn was not. So far, you're holding the low point for the thread. (Since you don't provide a link or reference for TM's supposed "slimier moment," it's hard to evaluate that one . . . but at best, you've got a "pot-kettle" moment going.)

I don't care whose living room I'm in, if someone makes an offensive statement, I reserve the right to pipe up.

Feel free. Just pointing out the credibility you tank may be your own.

BR

Glad you two boys got that all sorted out :)

Re my earlier request for a link about Kristof being in Niger, I found it at TM's recent post linking to NY">http://www.observer.com/printpage.asp?iid=11646&ic=Off+the+Record">NY Observer 10/17/05 edition:

"Mr. Kristof was traveling—in Niger, by coincidence—and couldn’t be reached at his hotel for comment on the role his piece may have played in the Wilson affair."

So, from my understanding of the NY Observer, Kristof is currently, now in Oct 2005, in Niger. (Today is 10/13/05, it's in the 10/17/05 edition already available online. The reporter doesn't say what day he called Kristof's hotel in Niger.) Strange place for a vacation. Perhaps he's retracing Wilson's steps. Guess they have good tea, though. Wonder if they also have favorable non-extradition laws like France. Nahh, he couldn't be fleeing.

Jim E.

TM writes about a lie (or gossip or smear, what have you), while I reference a truth and you think that's a "pot-kettle moment"? Nope. That's not correct.

(Are you the same guy who always called several criticisms of your arguments an "ad hominem" attack even when it wasn't? If so (and I say "if" -- I'm not 100% sure), then you have lots of trouble with the English language. Pot-kettle doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. Announcing a lie on the main page is not the equivilant to accouncing a truth in the comment boards.)

Whether it was relevant for me to specify "gay porn" rather than just say it was "work safe," well, that's debatable. In any case, you're slicing it pretty thin. I stand by my disclaimer. Besides, if one isn't allowed to mock self-righteous right-wing prostitutes, I guess no one can be mocked. Touchy-touchy.

I still don't understand why bringing up a fact is the "low point" of the thread. Perhaps you missed these shining examples of humanity from kim up above: "I'll have Joe [Wilson] drawn and quartered, yet. Hang the bits up for public display. An example needs to be made of his behaviour."

And here she is denegrating all Democrats by way of continuing someone else's metaphor: "the Dems are the Public Defender stuck with Wahabbi terrorists." Nice. Let your hand wringing begin.

Jim E.

I also note that you’re doing a horrible job “defending” our dear “host.” You’ve accused TM of “bad form” and of stooping to my level (with the incorrect “pot-kettle” thing). Ouch. TM deserves better.

pollyusa

BR

Thanks for the a compliment, "top notch pajama sleuth", regarding my Gannon post. Here's my best sleuthing moment, I scooped the NYT and WAPO by 2 days. The WSJ article is promenently featured.

I still really like your McCord tree theory, very clever.

TM

Your mother will be proud.

You're probably right that the WAPO mention of the FBI visit to a private citizen isn't Gannon.

Keep that FBI visit in the back of your mind, there must be some reason they put it in the article.

kim

Jim E, did my comments get under your skin? Did they slay....I mean flay you?

You are correct my metaphor has misrepresented many Democrats. A more precise word would have been 'the anti-war crowd'. The sets overlap enough to be commonly indistinguishable to my myopia.
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Cecil Turner

(Are you the same guy who always called several criticisms of your arguments an "ad hominem" attack even when it wasn't? If so (and I say "if" -- I'm not 100% sure), then you have lots of trouble with the English language.

English? Hopefully you're aware that "ad hominem" is Latin. (And the insults here are a pretty good example of the "abusive" subtype.) I'd like to think that irony was intentional, but somehow I expect it wasn't.

kim

I've been reading Lacey Baldwin Smith on Henry VIII. I highly recommend it.

Much relatively casual political butchery a mere half a millenia ago.
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Jim E.

Got me on the Latin thing. Touche! (Is that German?)

Jim E.

And way to tut-tut kim for her lack of civility. Bravo.

kim

Jim E. How uncivil of you.

Look back. Who's nasty?

And tut-tut, you should try for intentional irony.
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BumperStickerist

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Howzabout a cite to the post of Tom's shameful act of smearing a dem politico?

Any fears you have regarding a 're-smearing' of that noble Dem would be moot - it's being reintroduced deep in a comment thread after specifically being prefaced with 'See, Tom Smeared This Guy'.

About the only things you need to worry about are

1) that you're wrong

and / or

2) that the 'smear' you're all stricken and afflicted over is such a trifle or occured so long ago that you'll end up looking like an idiot grinding an ax.

So, please provide a cite or further clarify your position.

Jim E.

How is one smear a "trifle," and another not?

kim

If it's hogged out, it's a truffle; if not, it's a toadstool.
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kim

Was Libby biologically correct? Don't aspens turn in response to environmental cues, like cooler weather or lesser light?
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kim

I still don't interpret the aspens as a threat. Maybe a taunt. Remember, Libby and Judy were a little antagonistic there, just before and after she got out of jail.
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BR

Hi, Polly - I've been off loafing. I didn't know you wrote at DailyKos. After reading your linked scoop just now, I follow the events but think the flow went the other way. Here's the best way I can explain the tangled web - by revisiting David Corn's 7/16/03 article...

See "Will David Corn Eat His Words" in the next thread :)

Hi Kim, yes the tree root thingie was so odd! "…They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them."

What roots do Libby and Miller share? Old school, old university, ethnic, political, work(ed) together at some point in time or place other than their currently visible positions for a mutual foreign group/principal?

BumperStickerist

How is one smear a "trifle," and another not?

So, no cite to a post or mention of which democratic pol you allege Tom smeared. Rather, an attempt at a parse of my comment.

Thanks for confirming my suspicion. Whatever 'smearing' Tom did took place in your mind alone.

Cheers.

Jim E.

Aug14

BR

Here's how to make a link, Jim E.

<
a href
=
"___________"> [In this blank, copy the http url code
________< [In this blank, type what you want to name it]
/a
>

Before you post, you can preview and check if your link works.
I've written all these on their separate lines, otherwise it won't show up on this page. But when you use it, it should all be together, no spaces. The only space is between the "a" and "href"

Jim E.

Thanks BR, I've never known how to do that, and I've wanted to know. I may go to an even older comment thread to practice.

But in this case, I actually had no incentive to provide the link to the smear -- BumperSticker can click through the archives to quickly find what he's looking for. (I didn't want to make it too convenient for others to see it.) If he does click through, he then can retract his mocking of my credibility on the matter.

BR

You're welcome, JimE - I was a novice last year when CBSgate hit, didn't know how to link either. I sometimes laugh, with every new "gate", I learn a new code. With Plamegate it was bolding and italicizing :)

Even though we have different viewpoints on the origins and outcome of Plamegate, we're all in this amazing pajama sleuthing together. I'm sure no one remembers the feuds between the two Wright brothers, only that they flew!

Anyway, this is probably a cold thread already... who would ever have the time or patience to read down hundreds of comments. So go ahead, practice here with the link. I'll check back later and see if you had success and if I can help if it didn't work. Or pick a nice poem somewhere from a site and try to link it here. I found this great site containing Cowboy Poetry, there :)

(Need another -gate to find out how to make smileys appear!)

kim

Yes, thanks. I brag about not linking but really I'm just a Luddite undergoing temptation.
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kim

The roots are bizarre. Or bazaar.

Remember the one they call the Master of the Bazaar.

Another point, and one I keep coming back to. Locution that bizarre, not intrinsically so, only in context, almost always means something different than what it is commonly understood as. That is why it is code. Now, everyone has jumped to the conclusion that it is a threat. I doubt it. But I can't decode it.
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BR

Wow, this thread still has life!

Hee, Kim, but such an erudite Luddite - I had to look it up :) But I'm the same - after years of computers, I got lazy just about the time the internet came into broad use, and only learned what I needed to get by.

Is the bizarre bazaar in reference to Wilson's participation in the Middle East Policy Council, and his employer, Rock Creek Corp.'s doing business with Saudi Arabia and Wilson being a registered agent for Gabon with some Turkish Delight thrown in? (Ah, a link is worth a thousand words!) Not to speak of Baghdad dinners with Saddam's Parisian arms dealer.

Or are you referring to a different "Chalacter" in the play?

Jeez, the code speak is becoming contagious!

Re the falling trees and shared roots - I also didn't think of it as a threat. More like a signal of camaraderie. Now that I hear Fitzgerald has made a statement today that Rove is exonerated, I suppose the left will move on to their next target, Libby. I don't have any data on him, except his Marc Rich connection from 1985-2000... not a good sign. There's a book I've been meaning to buy, "Metal Men" by Greg Copetas, about Marc Rich and his international metal trading, fraud, etc. Libby spoke on his behalf during the hearings on Clinton's last-minute pardon. I wonder if Marc Rich is involved somewhere in Wilson's "gold mine" London clients, or in the French Cogema uranium mine consortium in Niger and elsewhere in Africa. Seems like I'm going off Miller/Libby letter subject, but maybe not… if Libby and Miller are somehow involved with Wilson's business clients. And Kristof too? What's he doing in Niger right now? Maybe a long shot theory.

BR

Oh, how amazing, Kim – I googled "Master of the Bazaar" and your August 30, 2005 post comes up second in the search engine list, just below Amazon! You're famous! You can start selling shares in your new company, "The Erudite Luddite" :)

But what further reading do you recommend to give me a quick understanding of Chalabi's role? All I know is CIA didn't like him, Pentagon did, allegations that Miller did too, in trouble in Jordan, rumors of complicity with Iran, but according to Clarice in a recent thread, they weren't true. Still have to read her linked NRO article. He's Iraqi born, I suppose. Sunni or Shi'ite? Don't know what he's doing at the moment.

Jim E.

"Fitzgerald has made a statement today that Rove is exonerated."

No such statement was made today.

BR

At the moment the traffic on Drudgereport.com is so heavy, one can't even click into his headline link. Ah, now it works... Here ya go :)

Lesley

BR: As a Nebraskan, I was most disturbed to read this:

"Under Mohammed Alamoudi’s direction, Rock Creek was chaired by Elias Aburdene, an Arab-American international banking advisor and lobbyist who had previously advised banks linked to organized crime and intelligence community figures involved in the S&L Scam. In 2003 and 2004 Aburdene donated to the Sandhills Political Action Committee, which was affiliated with Senator Chuck Hagel, a leading Republican critic of the Bush administration’s Iraq policy."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1256475/posts

Chatter in State Republican Party circles is that Hagel plans to run for the Presidency in 2008 but will not run for the Senate again. The rank and file Conservatives here in Nebraska are, almost uniformly, not happy with Mr. Hagel. Things like this Rock Creek Corp biz will only add fuel to the fire.

BTW I tried the linky link and failed miserably but I shall eventually prevail as per your instructions! Thanks.

BR

Lesley, it's a can of worms, isn't it. But good that things are being exposed early, before 06 and 08 elections. Wouldn't it be nice if the corruption can be cleaned out of politics... maybe impossible dream, but one can hope and exposure is the best antidote. The net provides a means where ordinary people can help do something about it. That's why the current talk of UN or EU control of the net is so ominous to me.

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"...advised banks linked to organized crime and intelligence community figures involved in the S&L Scam..."

Would that be BCCI - the bank of crooks and criminals, or a later reincarnation of it? I don't recall the time frame of the S&L Scam. Eighties?

BR

Lesley, I'll try to type the linky link around your cited url address. It's difficult, because as soon as the http letters appear in conjunction with the codes, the site's software immediately acts on the code and changes it into an actual link. Here goes:

< a href = " http: //www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1256475/posts " > Link name < / a >

I've added spaces between things to be able to have it show here on the page. But the only space you should have is before "href". It's okay to have spaces in the Link name. That's where you might type "here" or "WP Article dated 10/15/05".

Lesley

BR THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

I did it!!!

Here

I think I shall become the new Linky Link Monster (wink).

BR

:) :) :)

A link is worth a thousand words... and so is the picture you linked to!!!! Photo finish, indeed. I haven't been to that site since Able Danger days, thanks for reminding me of it.

I'm so happy it worked for you, remembering my own eureka night during CBSgate.

Did you ever see the cartoon then with Dan Rather standing on a hill besieged by pamaja folk in all kinds of striped, dotted and checkered outfits - waving pitchforks. Sometimes I think our ability to link are our pitchforks.

BR

:) :) :)

A link is worth a thousand words... and so is the picture you linked to!!!! Photo finish, indeed. I haven't been to that site since Able Danger days, thanks for reminding me of it.

I'm so happy it worked for you, remembering my own eureka night during CBSgate.

Did you ever see the cartoon then with Dan Rather standing on a hill besieged by pamaja folk in all kinds of striped, dotted and checkered outfits - waving pitchforks. Sometimes I think our ability to link are our pitchforks.

BR

I've been trying to reply to Polly in the new Isikoff thread, but couldn't get contact, crashed my computer! Well, it is long, maybe that's why. Polly, it's about the date of your 2002 INR Report... I'll try again.

kim

It was copy machines that took down the Soviet Union. That and the design flaws in their governance.

This CIA business is just an administrative design flaw. Retrofitting, in progress, may bring us up to code.

The PJ Hadeen certainly already acts as a pressure relief valve when MSM gets overinflated with their own importance.

Now let me go get dressed. I want to teach the kids about linking.
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Jim E.

BR,
Nowhere in the article does FitzGerald "exonerate" Rove. Try reading it again. All Rove's lawyer said (and Rove's lawyer has been parsing words like Clinton through this whole thing, mind you) is that Rove hasn't been indicted and that he hasn't gotten a target letter. Yet.

In today's WashPost, Rove's people basically say they half-expect that he'll be indicted.

Maybe Rove will be exonerated, or at least remain unindicted once this is over. But you remain confused about what actually transpired yesterday. No exoneration from anyone about Rove. Only Miller -- according to Miller's sources -- has been exonerated.

BR

Hi JimE, hee, you remind me of my little brother when he used tease me. Anyway, once I was able to click on Drudge's through link, I saw how he came up with his headline:

These two paragraphs read together:

The special counsel has not advised Mr. Rove that he is a target of the investigation and affirmed that he has made no decision concerning charges," Rove's attorney Robert Luskin said in a statement.

"The special counsel has indicated that he does not anticipate the need for Mr. Rove's further cooperation," the statement said.

So: has not advised Mr. Rove that he is a target
Plus: he does not anticipate the need for Mr. Rove's further cooperation
Equals: Rove 'No Target' [Drudge headline]
In other words: Exonerated, well okay, I outdid Drudge a bit : )

I suppose disbelievers could believe Fitz might issue a target letter to Rove in the future. Time will tell… and then there's those who can tell Time a thing or two!

All this bolding and italicizing is getting boring - need a new "gate"!


Is it just me or are you all having trouble getting posts to post? Wait... wait... then it says "couldn't make contact with server."

BR

Hi Jim, so true about the copy machines concept…

Retrofitting is good. (I was advising Terminex in my angrier moments after reading about the Al Qaqaa CIA/El Baradei setup, the October Surprise, the NIE leaks, etc. via Jack Wheeler's articles at WND. But I was so happy to link his and Clarice F's great stuff at my then regular place of posting during CBSgate (wizbangblog) on the Porter Goss cleanup which was just beginning then.) I remembered past failures to clean them up cost other presidents dearly. Any country needs a good intel service, but one that's efficient and loyal, for goodness' sakes. During both CBSgate and Plamegate, I've been taking the extra time to type "anti-Bush CIA faction" because I don't want to generalize. I'm sure there are great people working there too.

(Wizbang has had a lull in Plamegate since the July-August flurry of great research by some there – like AD (AnonymousDrivel) – despite the name, he/she's very bright. You might laugh at my attempts to wake them up there in this totally unrelated techy thread :) – only about a dozen comments there last time I looked, but hilarious.)

That was so funny about teaching the kids.

Bedtime for me, see y'all.

BR

"Jim" should read Kim in that last one. MUST be bedtime.

kim

The F Major Sweet is fulfilling.
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BR

Kim, yours has gotta be the ultimate in code funnies!
ROFWL !

kim

Corn, you cope with it.
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BR

Ah, finally some life over at wizbang on Plamegate, some new threads Sunday morning after Plamegate tv shows. A veritable cornucopia!

Lesley, don't be disappointed if you see that your link to the photo finish item at Macsmind no longer goes directly to the picture. Here's something else I learned during CBSgate: if you want your link to work after something goes off a site's main page, you have to link it to the url address where it will sooner or later go to their archives. So your link was to macsmind.blogpot.com. But since then he's posted other items, and the photo doesn't show up.

If you click on the Permalink at most sites (at Macsmind, you click under that orange colored "time stamp" of his post), a permanent link for the url address will show up. That's the one to use. Otherwise your links won't stay linkable for long.

So your link to the picture will be available in the present and future at: http://macsmind.blogspot.com/2005/10/photo-finished.html

Then I discovered the same handy thing applies if you want to link to a specific comment in a long thread. Clicking on the Date/Time stamp next to the poster's name, gives a permanent url address to exactly that comment only. (First the link will go to the main post at a site, but if one can keep one's hands off the mouse and wait a few seconds, it goes directly to the linked comment specified.)

BR

How funny, we've come full circle to this thread's title "Timestamps" :)

I'll whisper this here where no one will hear it... reading the 10/16/05 NY Times epic on The Miller Case that everyone's discussing in fresh new threads, my red pen only had two letters in its vocabulary every few paragraphs, and no, I wasn't writing my initials.

kim

HA for Horse Apples.
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BR

I get the last ha :) and give you the last hee :)
If you'll take a look-see at our Mata Hari !

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