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January 30, 2006


Geek, Esq.

Are Horsemen allowed to switch sides?

Methinks Andrew Sullivan should switch from "War" to "Bipolar."

Marginal Max

You wanna know how f**ed up Dem/liberal blogs are? Only one that I know of picked up my post, which has information backed by solid research, as opposed to idle, hysterical b.s.

I am MaxSpeak and I approved this message.


How can we let the people in China know they can find what they want if they misspell? What a great catch that it!

Rick Ballard


You need to study your target audience a bit more carefully. You were using carefully selected data sets to make a logical presentation (or interpretation) of information that some would consider to be factual in nature. Your points were made in a manner that at least has the potential to lead to a rational debate.

You need more frowny faced emoticons in the presentation plus iterative repetition of all adjectival constructs that could be construed as 'bad' or 'evil' when used in association with 'Republican'.

In the future, if you can reduce the information to the emoticon level and get rid of the rational and logical elements I believe that you will find a more favorable reception with your target audience. Just remember to "Shoot low, sheriff, they're riding Shetland ponies." on an intellectual basis and you can't go wrong.

Cecil Turner

Max: Gotta agree with Rick. What made you think "information backed by solid research, as opposed to idle, hysterical b.s." was going to be attractive? Boooring! Go back to Kos, read the comments (and the "Thank You" from Ted Kennedy), and get with the program.

Jim E.

"'Civil'? What would 'uncivil' look like?"

ooh, that's deep. Channeling Axl Rose now, are we? ("What's so 'civil' about 'war,' anyway?")

Gary Maxwell

Latching on to some harebrained, up-is-down theory of GOP media manipulation to help explain Democrats’ recent failure at the polls is more than a sign of frustration, it’s a signal that some in the party are in deep denial and aren’t willing to face up to certain realities and deal with them accordingly.

Quoted from Tom Bevan at his RealClearPolitics blog in a new article entitled " the Left's Latest Conspiracy".

Carol Johnson

"You need more frowny faced emoticons in the presentation..."




Rush is rebroadcasting Ted Kennedy's tirade on Alito's being responsible for "Asthma in children"???? This is utterly hopeless folks. It's time for Teddy to be put into a permanent detox facility or retire from the Senate...preferrably both!!

Tom Maguire

How can we let the people in China know they can find what they want if they misspell?

My second thoughts - any idiot can misspell "Tianenmen" (and one probably just did), so there are bound to be lots og Google hits for misspellings.

I doubt a Dem Activitist would have as much luck mis-spelling "Declaration of Independence", or "The Federalist Papers".

But it is something to think about.


It won't take a nano-second for the Chinese to learn about it too and do something to prevent it. How sad.


Yeah, but these are Chinese people and well-educated, TM. Maybe we can reeducate them in some public school here and send them back to teach the masses.


This is OT, but an excellent observation nonetheless

Ed Whelan @ NRO, Bench Memo's responding to Kerry's Yodeling today

Finally, Senator, I’m a bit puzzled by how you and so many of your colleagues maintain, on the one hand, that you wish Harriet Miers were the nominee, and insist, on the other, that President Bush is acting unlawfully on national-security matters. Do you not credit White House Counsel Miers with upholding the legal advice on which the President relies? Do you, perhaps, not take her seriously because she is a woman?


Kerry won the High School Dropouts
and it looks that plan is to increase that lead.

From "THE FIX" by Chris Cillizza
at:washingtonpost.com's Politics Blog
"When we segment the electorate, there is a segment of downscale white voters with some of the lowest household incomes [and] with the least education attainment who are very anxious about their jobs and the economy but even more anxious about these value questions that center around their children and security," explained Belcher. These voters are “not voting against their economic interests, [they are] voting for their higher interests,” he said.

As an example, Belcher points to data from the question, "What does America mean to you?" Asked for a one-word answer, roughly half of the sample said "freedom." Belcher's conclusion? "This idea that we should be about expanding freedom and working in the language and ideals of freedom was something we gleaned from the data," he said. "Republicans sprinkle freedom language in everything."

In order to win over these voters, Democrats must “change the narrative” around security and values questions, according to Belcher, and not allow the Republican Party to frame the terms and language of the debate.

Much depends on the rightness of these conclusions since Dean is relying heavily on Belcher’s data to inform his rhetoric and shape the party’s message heading into both the 2006 midterm election and the 2008 presidential race

Click here: The Fix - Chris Cillizza's Politics Blog - (washingtonpost.com)



Miracle Max

You're right. I need to study Little Green Footballs, The Corner, and Michelle Malkin.

Geek, Esq.


Don't forget Pauerlein and Hugh Hewitt.


Taranto reminds us this is the one year anniversary of Kerry's refusal to release his medical records as promised and also observes the left melt down, including the effort to use the wounded soldiers as political props. http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110007892


What the Democratic party fails to realize is that the American people have been conditioned to filter out the truth.

---pearls of wisdom ala KOS

I think he means google, but whatever...dashing out to get more doggy treats.


C-Span has the cloture vote coming up in about 15 minutes. Chaffee, Menendez and Lautenberg vote no. Conrad votes yes. Still no indication on Bayh or Landreiu or Snowe or Dorgan.
Kerry and Kennedy just finished bloviating about civil rights and why this futile gesture is right; only way for the minority to be heard...blah,blah,blah,...

Cecil Turner

You're right. I need to study Little Green Footballs, The Corner, and Michelle Malkin.

When we get senior Republican Senators posting there, it'll be an apt comparison.

I did rather like your/EPI's take on economic indicators. I'm not sure how precise the business cycle start point is, and how that affects the comparisons (and would like to see it attacked by someone with the opposite political view to see how the results held up), but overall it looked pretty reasonable. The only winge I had was that this statement:

. . . today’s unemployment is artificially low because of a major withdrawal from the labor force.
EPI didn't support it directly, and a quick review of the BLS statistics didn't turn up anything definitive either. Further, I'm not sure this claim isn't misleading:
the employment rate (i.e., the ratio of employed workers to the country's working-age population) provides a better gauge of tightness in the labor market for the 227 million people now of working age.
The "working age population" is apparently everyone over the age of 16, including those over 65. One obvious effect is that aging of the work force is not taken into account. That's not a major factor in the current discussion, but even a minor one could skew the numbers considerably.


The new LAT poll just came out and it shows that even the LAT couldn't
hide fact that America is more disgusted with Congressional Dems than Congressional Republicans.

Jack Ass Cafferty is posing question why with all the scandal etc etc swirling around the Dems.

He then challenged with this analogy to a schoolyard fight:
" The guy comes out with his hands tied behind back and one
leg in a cast....and you say'I'm going to surrender to this guy,
I just can't handle him".

So, going with his analogy - beating up the already injured
would raise his schoolmates opinion of him?

Hope none of those Senators visiting Walter Reed today
take his advise. (actually hope
they do - they'll get their clocks

Send kudos to Jack Ass for making it clear that dirty playing
bullying is what the base wants.

Kicking the guy when he is down
(in the polls) not enough - we
want baseball bats, bricks and
knives. Hey can't someone back
a car over this guy? Yeah that's
a great idea.



How can we let the people in China know they can find what they want if they misspell?

Are they being given access to US google, or is this a Chinese google, in Chinese?
Here in Japan I can of course get US Google, but the default google (it must pick up my ISP) brings me to google in Japanese.
Anyway, their chances of misspelling in English are high.


DU and Kos are down--reportedly this is a sample of Koswisdom before the site went down:__________________________________________
Any Democrat who votes for cloture is no longer a Democrat.

Take down their names and kick their ass in the next election theyre in.

Remember today, January 30, 2006. Today was the last day of the American democracy. It died today.

Welcome to the New World Order." ---------

When it's back up, I think I'll start posting there to tell them they can not give up their recolutionary spirit..that they should fight to recall every damned "Dem"Senator who voted for cloture..(HEHmm chuckle--it's the old Rove-Soros-Schrum gambit)

_MayBee, I didn't know you were posting from Japan..O-Hio.


72-25 for cloture.

The Dems didn't even get close to 40!


Seems Drudge's story (which Tom can't seem to link to) is "developing".

Unfortunately neither Clarice nor Rick Ballard's "dougj-dar" is developing much!


Please add CNN Jack Ass's
encouragement to not surrender, to
do what it takes and beat the guy
up and not back down just because the guy:

"has his hands tied behind his back
and one leg in a cast".

The Military is sending ours to prison for anything that would approach this treatment for terrorist detainees.

Jack has his own "signin statement" on the issue....

Above is an actual quote from CNN's
Cafferty - affirming TORTURE OK
for Republicans by Democrats.

Nice guy or.....
KR has sent over some envelopes
that Jack Ass is licking.


Where can I go to see the meltdown after the cloture vote? Kos is still down.


Syl..there's only so much time in a day. I'm trying to invent a penname for posting there when it's back up.

Doug, I do not recall where but I read the roll call story--the Dems have about 5m in their till, The Reps 30m..meaning they go into the 2006 election with 1/6 the financial resources of the Reps..


Kos is up. It was INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL! All of those faxes!! That was the real goal!!

ohiogaimasu, clarice-san.


Zawahiri is alive and pissed. Really pissed.

(He must have wanted a filibuster too)


MaYBee, you weren't kidding! They blame the Reps bigger war chest.LOL..Maybe Disbold rigged the votes, too..Neas (who obviously suffers from innumeracy says the vote against cloture shows the high level of support for PFAW's campaign to block Alito). You cannot make this stuff up.

Syl, Zawahiri looks cleaner this time around..Means he hightailed it out of Waziristan, I think..Probably broadcasting from the Islamabad Hilton or something.


Don't forget to:

Click here: Cindy For Senate

97 Senators showed up for the Cloture vote. The R Senator from
Nevada was in auto accident today
on way to airport. That's 98.

Whereabouts of missing 2 anyone?

Could they possible have shown up
at Walter Reed??? Are they that
insanely dumb!


Obama voted against cloture? Wha?

Didn't he denounce the procedure yesterday?

Whatever. (Sybil party of 44?) but I'm sorta bummed, no filibuster after all.


Maybee, I knew you must be posting from overseas becuse in one post you said it was early in the morning and here it was 6pm.


{ Sybil party of 44}
now that's funny! I love the sense of humor you all bring to this site'it really cheers me up at the end of the day! Thank you.


Oh I see, Reid did the opposite of Obama, am I getting this right?


Yes, I've lived in Asia a few years now. But don't let my horrible English communications skills fool you, I am American.


DU mod posts this:
Sucks to be us right now. It's true, the vote didn't go the way we wanted it to. But I think we have a lot to be proud of. I think it is fair to say that without the liberal blogosphere, there wouldn't have even been a fight. So that's something that you all did. You should be proud. At least now they know that we aren't going to sit back and do nothing while our country goes down the toilet.

I know that we're all pretty upset right now, and we're all dealing with this in different ways. Some of us want to find support amongst our DU friends. Some of you want to vent. We have asked the mods to back off a bit, to give you all room to blow off steam a little. But we don't have unlimited tolerance, so please.. Just don't act like a dick.

And if you're in a really bad mood, and if you feel like disrupting or pissing people off -- please turn off your computer right now. We don't want you to do something that you might regret in the morning. There is no shame in logging off of DU.

Hell, that's what I'm going to do right now. As I said, I'm going to get a beer, and EarlG is gonna come with me. And we're going to raise a glass to the kick-ass Democrats on DU, who still give a fuck about this country, and are still willing to fight for the things that matter.

You rock.

Another poster claims they actually won, but a number of other posters (apparently sober) say that's what the guy/gal said in 2004..

How can anything compete with thie Marat Sade type nitwittery?


In times like this, the best lesson one can learn is you just need to express the same idea, but louder.

The angrier you get, the more your vote counts. If anybody really could seriously do voting reform, the people with like 10x the anger should have 10x the vote. It is NOT that they are not the mainstream, it is that MOST people just don't see what the mainstream really is!!

They are not the minority, except in numbers. In anger, they have the majority. How can anyone NOT SEE THAT?


Hillary (Panderer One) must have
called ABC:


US presidential drama COMMANDER IN CHIEF has been temporarily pulled from the ABC TV schedule because network executives are unhappy with the show's low ratings.


The drama has received critical acclaim and actress GEENA DAVIS, who plays president MACKENZIE ALLEN won a Golden Globe for her performance, earlier this month (16JAN06) - but that isn't making the show a hit.

Network executives say the series will return later this spring (06), insisting it's not unusual to take a show off the air and try another new show in its time slot.
30/01/2006 21:27






who still give a fuck about this country, and are still willing to fight for the things that matter.

Oh bullocks, this is the kind of deluded arrogance that has marginalized the Dem party. Boo Hoo, just because the rest of the country doesn't agree with you doesn't mean YOU get to decide who cares. Usually these people pee their pants if anyone implies the opposite of them. Cripes.

Well, I guess we can dispense with the Dem. Iraq war vote nonsense now. Unless of course this November advancing "Bush twisted Alito's record" or some such is viable. heh.


On one hand I see the emotional development of kindergarteners--give me what I want or I'll hold my breath and throw a tantrum in the checkout line. On the other, they are actually posting online--Do you suppose these are actually precocious 4 year olds?

Geek, Esq.

Ugh, I'm an occasional diarist at Kos and the place drives me nuts at times like this.

Politics is more than a game of chicken.


it's true, for both sides, it's sucky times like this.


Well, it's good to share your feelings, Geek.*wink*


from kos:
Because every time I walk a precinct or call somebody for a financial contribution this election year, I'm going to run into a lot more "Screw the Democrats. They don't stand up for me." ...
... But what do you say at the front door or on the phone when somebody asks, "How do I know the extra Dems will be any better than the ones who already refuse to fight?" That even if they don't fight they're better than Republicans?

Is it just me? I personally think the Dems would do a better job getting votes if rather than concentrating on fighting, they tried to appeal to people with new ideas that, you know, appealed to people.

What great numbers of angry people that just don't vote because Dems aren't angry enough do they think are lurking out there?
When do they think maybe, just maybe, their opinions really represent the minority, and saying them louder and getting more angry just pushes the majority further away?


Yikes. Matthew's, Russert, WAPO must be in a state of panic right about now...I'm guessing the reporting will be..um...sensitive the next few days.

tiptoettip --eggshells--tiptoetip


What great numbers of angry people that just don't vote because Dems aren't angry enough do they think are lurking out there?

Maybee, I still contend that the problem is the leaders (elected officials) haven't been honest with their party base, that is they really don't agree with the base.

Of course it isn't surprising that a politician says one thing but votes differently. However, I think many more Dems than will admit voted for the war, not out of weakness or lame twisted excuses, but because they believed in the reasoning, threat and realized that the problem could no longer be kicked down the road.

It was a big mistake to abandon their vote.

Patrick R. Sullivan

'Any Democrat who votes for cloture is no longer a Democrat.'

So, there are now 25 Democrats in the Senate. The Lost Kossers hammered Kerry worse than John O'Neil.


Rick's right. Mowlett's Ass was tricked by Rove (aka Soros/Schrum)OTOH the Kosniks think it's better to have 25 trus believers that a majority of Marranos.

Cecil Turner

I think it is fair to say that without the liberal blogosphere, there wouldn't have even been a fight. So that's something that you all did. You should be proud.

Y'know, I've read through Sun Tzu and Clausewitz, Jomini and Musashi, Fuller and Rommel, et al. I don't recall any of them, ever, suggesting it was a good idea to start a fight you knew you'd lose. Not sure if it's a type of experimentation (exploring what an a** whoopin' felt like), or just showing they're not afraid of doing something just because it's stupid. The inmates are running the asylum. The idea of trusting this lot with the defense of the nation boggles the mind.

However, I am impressed with their ability to squander political capital, with absolutely nothing to show for it. (Except some elected officials with a dubious point of honor that lets their opponents in the upcoming paint them as out of the mainstream.) At this rate, they'll soon marginalize themselves out of the ability to filibuster when it really matters. Which works for me.

I personally think the Dems would do a better job getting votes if rather than concentrating on fighting, they tried to appeal to people with new ideas that, you know, appealed to people.

But, that would be so . . . well, democratic.


Cecil , you just don't get this post-modernist thing, do you?

Rick Ballard


When Feingold promised his compadres that the Billionaire Boys Club (SBL, LLC) would step in to fill the coffers in the stead of the unions - and the Dems actually bought off on the fiction - the die was truly cast. 527s and 501(3)cs live on voluntary contributions rather than the extorion of dues. Clarice accurately described how the unions continue to funnel money to the Dem coffers but the AFL-CIO split last summer took significant dough out of play.

Pols sing for their supper continuously and principles and politics have only the letters 'p' and 'i' in common. Doing the right thing against perceived personal interest is rather rare and commendable in a pol but "rather rare" does not completely express the appropriate concept.

We haven't seen the last of this foolery by any means. The boys calling the shots were good at making money but to call them amateurs at politics would be a grave insult to any dedicated amateur.

Cecil Turner

Apparently not.


"Sun Tzu and Clausewitz, Jomini and Musashi, Fuller and Rommel, et al."

CT, these "Kidz" haven't read those, their tactics? & stratragies? are based on comic books and Hollywood anti-heroes who
only have to get REALLY REALLY MAD
to defear their enemies.

Speaking of the masters, errrr....
"24" is on in about 16 minutes.

Rick Ballard


I find it easier to deal with if I think of their motto as being cogito ergo dim sum. I feel that it catches the flaor of the intellectual underpinnings of the "movement" fairly well.

Rick Ballard

That was flavor (although it could have been flair).

Jim Hu


Two broken links it the post.


defeat their enemies!

Freudian typo as they daily
"defear" us of any idea of their

Rick Ballard

Don't worry, Larwyn. The damned Preeviw button is broken again - click it as many times as you like and it still never fixes anything.


Shrummy{the real one} was on Hardball still defending this exercise in futility of the dems on the vote for cloture. Hey wait a minute has anyone seen the real Rove today? I think Feinstein and Obama were the biggest disapointments in all this with their flip-flop positions. I thought they were made of better stuff.


RB, sounds like the Kerry button.

6 minutes to Bauer



minutes to 24!
Rick: Did you take Latin in high school too?


takes me forever to decipher
the anti-robot code.






Soylent Red

Just my quick two cents and then I have to stop procrastinating here and get to work...

I was anxiously awaiting the Kos meltdown and baby I wasn't disappointed. The overarching theme is: Fight harder! Be more obnoxious! Why aren't you being more shrill?!

Which lead me to this conclusion:

Limbaugh is actually right. The Democrat Party is finished. I always thought this was crowing for entertainment purposes, but consider...

Does any Dem supporter advocate a pro-active position rather than simple reaction to Republican policy.

It's all about compare and contrast to what Republicans are doing rather than coming up with their own agenda. I dunno. It's hard to put into words but at this point, if by some magical occurance the Republican Party dissappeared, the best the Dems could come up with is "Now we're going to undo what the Republicans did..."

Everything they want revolves around being what we don't want. If we want X they want Y, but only because it isn't X. The debate is framed around why X is bad, but never around why Y is good. So literally, without the "Repugs" to define what is X, the Dems have no compass to determine Y.

Like I said, it's hard to put into words. But to me at least, it's very disquieting to realize that we really only have one viable political party now. I happen to be on the winning side, so I'm not completely freaked out, but still, I kind of liked having the Dems around as a worthy adversary, back when they still were a worthy adversary.


Well put Red.

We lost the cloture vote, but that was — despite some of your best wishes — a pre-ordained conclusion. But that doesn’t mean we lost on the bigger picture


Me- What a dick. Notice the "your" that becomes "our". Man, I feel sorry for his disciples. What a condescending dick. He even mocks his own, and acts as if he played no part. Kos is no different than any politician he mocks.


More from kos (via the Corner)

What I want is a complete list of every scumsucking f--kstick Democratic a--hole senator who voted for cloture. That's what I want.
I don't know what to DO with that list, not yet -- but I know for G--DAMNED sure I won't be VOTING for any of them, let alone sending them any g--damned MONEY.

Frankly, right now I'd like nothing better than to torpedo the entire lot of them. Just dump them like so much worthless, leaden, VICHY MOTHERF--KING BALLAST.

I got nothin', folks. Don't look over here if you want comfort or a nice, uplifting LIVE TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY speech.

I'M DONE WITH THEM. They are DEAD to me.

Yeah. CANTWELL and BYRD and LANDRIEU and BINGAMAN and every last motherf--king one of them, I'm DONE with them.

I'm registering Independent tomorrow. You're welcome to join me.


*Rove removes his Soros mask.He's laughing so hard he's afraid it might fall and block his breathing.*


Soylent Red,
Some understanding may be foung

"The Pathetic Last Children of
Nietzsche's Pitiable Last Men"

by Robert Godwin of OneCosmos who expands on the post by Vanderleun

"The Voice of the Neuter is Heard Throughout the Land,".

The Pathetic Last Children of Nietzsche's Pitiable Last Men
Link: http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/2006/01/pathetic-last-children-of-nietzsches.html

Then again, it could just be all that drug user damaged DNA passed
on by those 60's grandparents.


A Rumor?
Gen Wesley Clark, Richard Clarke
and the VIPS have put out feelers
offering Zawahiri $30,000,000USD
and Afghanistan if he will make
another video tape for release
close to the November 2006 elections mentioning his hatred and fear of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Gary Maxwell

I wondered back during the last campaign what Mad How was talking about when he spoke of the Democrat wing of the Democrat party. Now the Kossacks have explained it to me. The 25 who voted with Kerry for defeating cloture and trying to talk the Alito nomination to death are the Democrat wing. The rest I guess are party traitors. Red State Dems, gang of 14 members who did not forget their word and a surprise or two, Cantwell?


I'm speechless...

A left-wing website has published an open letter to a married Senator promising to out him as a homosexual at some "inopportune" time because he voted for cloture today on the Alito nomination. There's no indication whether the senator is a Republican or a Democrat. But the real threat that's posed here is to Democrats, because with a base this out of control, every Democrat that doesn't toe the moonbat line has a reason to be afraid.
Posted at 10:30 PM"

Here is the lynch-blog's link


in the update - he notes "Republican Senator"

I believe, Joe Wilson, this is what you call "retaliation smear campaign" of the worst kind...imagine a blog warning/threat letter to boot!

What a bunch of hypocritical jerks.


Actually, the cite says it's a Rep Senator...Dear, dear what has Dean unloosed?


Testing 1 2 3

Rick Ballard

TS's link to the smear site.

I'm still thinking.


oh crud, sorry for the tag...thanks Boris. And thanks Rick for the link fix. HTML hopeless.


Run diwn the home page and look to the left--this guy's game is "outing" people who don't care to be. Disgusting.

Rick Ballard

Does blackmail enter in here? Extortion?


Just the other side of the line I think--target of threat isn't identified and if it were criminal the trial would never occur before the election.


January 30th 2006 is a date we

should note and remember for

there is now clarity.

Just as the Palestinians showed the

world who they are, the "democratic

wing of the Democratic party" is

showing us and anyone that will

look who they are.

Carville is stammering unrealities
on Tucker's show right now - about
how the Dems are leading in the polls for congress and governors.

Tucker just asked "If I am a dem
at home who do I listen to as the
leader of the party?"

Carville answered: "We'll decide
that" and then mumbo jumboed about
2006 elections.


Heh, said Rove, twirling his right hand in the air:
It appears that the Democrat Party is closer to imploding than the Republican. How else to explain the ongoing attempts by Democrat Party Chairman Howard Dean to destroy Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid?

According to knowledgeable DNC sources, Dean about ten days ago was shown opposition research documents generated by the Republican National Committee more than three years ago, which laid out facts regarding Reid and his family's lobbying and ethical conflicts.

Dean, according to the sources, was fascinated by the details, and asked that his staff research and independently confirm everything on the documents. "Basically he oppo'd a member of his own party," says a DNC source loyal to Dean.

"Basically, we were looking at three- or four-page documents that made Jack Abramoff's lobbying work look like that of a rank amateur," says the DNC source. "Between the minority leader's past in Nevada and here in Washington, and the activities of his sons and son-in-law, there probably isn't anyone in this town with more conflicts. The Reid family is the symbol of what's wrong with Washington; it's their behavior that enabled the culture that spawned people like Abramoff."

Dean then went public over the weekend, saying that Democrats with an Abramoff problem would be in trouble, not only with voters, but with the Democrat Party. But why attack a senior member of his own party?

According to Democrat Party watchers and DNC staff, Dean has grown increasingly frustrated at how he is treated by the likes of Reid, Sen. Dick Durbin, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, and Rep. Rahm Emanuel, who leads the House Democrat candidate recruitment effort. "They treat him like a lackey, not as an equal," says another DNC employee. "Just last week, they were all badmouthing his fundraising activities, when clearly he's done a good job. What this comes down to a fight for the soul of our party, and if the chairman has to draw a long knife on a few of his colleagues, he's more than willing to do so."______________



Does blackmail enter in here? Extortion?

Rick, that was my first thought...very ugly. More power than money.

Rick Ballard

Could be an ugly bluff. Could be a publicity grab. Could be true.

The "person" doing it doesn't really understand opposition research very well. There are stinking laundry baskets sitting all over the place - it's just a matter of deciding who will be "first".


Could be an ugly bluf

I thought this also.


Interesting article from the Spectator, clarice. Hmmmm...those are the same people we saw in an article earlier today about unhappy Dems are with Dean's spending.


I want some of their GLUE...

I can't say it often enough, it was a great effort these past few days. Time to relax and revel in the fact that your labors sucked much of the joy out of wingnuttia tonight, and that the "weak liberal" meme is dissolving even as the dittoheads piddle themselves silly over our bad language and righteous indignation....

...Above all remember that the thing Karl Rove fears even more than Patrick Fitzgerald and vigorous physical exercise is people like us getting motivated and mobilized. So throw him a sleepless night or two and get connected."

I mean seriously, I want some.


No wonder Carville couldn't/wouldn't answer who is/are
the leaders of the Democratic

Carville keeping his options open.


regarding that Glue, I wrote earlier:

Then again, it could just be all that drug user damaged DNA passed
on by those 60's grandparents.

Might just be one of those "root
causes" they are so fond of.


regarding that Glue, I wrote earlier:

Then again, it could just be all that drug user damaged DNA passed
on by those 60's grandparents.

Might just be one of those "root
causes" they are so fond of.


Maybee, I still contend that the problem is the leaders (elected officials) haven't been honest with their party base, that is they really don't agree with the base.

True. Although who named these groups the party base? Honestly, my husband is the most loyal Dem I can think of (well, besides the rest of his family) and he doesn't agree with the moveon/kos crowd and their tactics.
Isn't there some point where these groups look at themselves and think they maybe are NOT the heart of the Dem party? And that they are going to have to compromise?
Am I condescending for saying that? Honestly though, it's hubris for them to exaggerate their own importance in the face of constant evidence to the contrary.


Isn't there some point where these groups look at themselves and think they maybe are NOT the heart of the Dem party? And that they are going to have to compromise?

Nope, I think it borders on delusional combined with a self-important upbringing/mentality.These hardcore ideologies have stolen the party and declared themselves in charge...regardless of what that means.

I still want some...talk about stretching to make lemonade.

Do you think there was a hint in item #3 in your spectator link?


Isn't there some point where these groups look at themselves and think they maybe are NOT the heart of the Dem party? And that they are going to have to compromise?

I think they will start taking their ball to another more mainstream party, like the Green party or Independent Workers soon.


I think they will start taking their ball to another more mainstream party, like the Green party or Independent Workers soon.

Hilarious, TS!! Or I should say, heh.


ts, I think the only person laughing tonight is Hillary. Kerry saw that Gallup poll saying 51% of the people wouldn't vote for her and decided to be the hero of the moment. He plans to run. The DLC and other rationals in the party think he's a weak, doofus, but he won't fade away--(Remember how he upstaged Reed at the presser recently?) He's ruining all their efforts .They can't believe he lost to that "idiot". And everytime he speaks, he reminds people that the party backed this loser.

So, he put on his superman cape in Davos, rushed here on the Heinz Gherkin (seriously), the Heinz Foundation's fastest plane, and dived to the bottom.

Still, if you read DU or Kos, he's the big hero.
The next Hillary-Kerry matchup is the party fight to add more southern states to the initial primary schedule. She figures she's got the Black vote sewed up.He's hoping for another Iowa/N.H. thingy in which he has a better chance.
He claims he has a 3 m supporter base and his rolodex of rich contributors. Rumor is they keep telling him they are sticking with him, but are just waiting for the Hillary call. Now, fast as you can, click Sheehan for Senator. Seriously, the Kos/Sheehan/DU moonbats may bolt and doom the party in 2008.


"I think they will start taking their ball to another more mainstream party, like the Green party or Independent Workers soon."

TS, I think you are joshing us.
Doubt the big $$$ guys like Soros
will fold, that would involve a great whack out of their egos.

A few of the youngsters might leave
for a bit - but when they realize
noone is paying any attention to them on the Green blogs - they would come back.

Where else can these people go for the opportunities to indulge their "projection" and "acting out" fantasies with the hope of getting noticed?

The battle is engaged and the real
centrists and moderates must already be fed up. And they have to
be embarassed. Some will retire and
others will rationalize why they
cannot not give up the power/limelight - they will sell out.

Somewhere down the road a real third party will be formed - a
center party a bit to the right.
And then we'll have some clarity.


I think Soros is crazy enough --really. To him a Lieberman DLC type party doesn't get him what he wants. He's behind the VIPs, the pro druggies, the Media Matters and "globalists"--Kerry would have been perfect for his purposes. No one else with a chance is. Watch.

BTW if you are interested in some of the dirt on Reid, Fedora is a first rate researcher and has been digging for a while. Here's one of his offerings: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1565464/posts


Clarice her is Deborah Orin's take

"Republicans loved 2004 loser Kerry's flop of a filibuster against Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito because it had Democrats tearing each other's eyes out — over a fight they couldn't win.

Not only did Kerry lose, he lost big time — just 25 Democrats were willing to join him as the party split apart over Alito, just as it has ripped apart over the Iraq war.

The vote was 72-25 against filibuster, so Team Kerry lost 3-1.

Worse yet, plenty of Democrats who did vote for the filibuster — like New York's Sen. Chuck Schumer — left little doubt that they were livid at Kerry's stunt, since it turned into a dream come true for Bush political guru Rove....

...Among those who felt they had to follow Kerry was likely 2008 rival Sen. Hillary Clinton (N.Y.) — after all, liberal activists decide Democratic primaries, and Clinton can't afford to alienate that base after voting for the Iraq war. But she clearly wasn't happy — she didn't speak in favor of filibuster on the Senate floor and just issued a rather tame written statement...

...It's as if Kerry and his party are determined to expose their own vulnerbilites, instead of President Bush's. Lucky guy, that Karl Rove."


I know, but hey you never know...think Nader


OOOPs, silly me...I forgot the best part

"THE joke in Republican circles now is that if John Kerry didn't exist, Karl Rove would have to invent him."


"You tink I haven't," he said, adjusting his Soros mask as he left the Executive Office Bldg.

When I emailed a Rep friend on the Hill that the leftblogosphere was on for the filibuster that Kerry had just called for from Davos, the response I got was,"Please,God."

Orrin is right on.

If I were Kerry I'd have someone always covering my back in the cloakroom.

But if I know him (and Dean) they will not lick their wounds. They will just fight harder. (Let's all email Kerry and tell him he is our hero, we will follow him unto death, and not to let those pretend Dmes like Hillary win.)


Everything I know about Soros and
his business (which i admit isn't
everything)is that he buys up/uses/manipulates what already exists. Not a from scratch man like Gates.

They'll get rid of Lieberman - they
are already working on that - and if that works - it is the warning/threat that gets the rest
in line or out.

To take MoveOn and move on would be a defeat, as if GW quit Iraq and
then invaded the Emerites or Belgium.

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