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January 20, 2006

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Kim

Did I speak too soon about Lovelady? He seems to be taking umbrage with "sandpaper" and the like?

MayBee

Top Secret- Hilarious! it looks as though we have another nibbler on our hands. Or maybe this one's a nosher.

Anyway, it just amused me that today there is a big outrage "Don't Equate us with the words of Osama" while in the meantime, SOMEONE is snatching up all the books from the Recommended By Osama shelf at Amazon.

Clarice- I, too, am very curious about the bodies being quickly moved away, and the strange poetry today. Perhaps al-Z is dead. The CIA tells CNN they have the means to find out.

Meanwhile, the newest Kos diarist, John Kerry, wants to get back to the topic at hand- letting Bin Laden 'escape' at Tora Bora 4 years ago.

Sue

John in Tokyo,

Maybe Bill in AZ felt as I did. A stupid question deserved a stupid response. You guys on the left need a sense of humor. I've got one I'll loan ya'. ::grin::

kim

And I'll bet there's no tap on Blums's phone.
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Rider

You Bushistas are the biggest bunch of whiners I ever saw. You are the ones who are whining about the 2000 election; not the Democrats. You won't accept the obvious fact that the attacks of 9/11 happened on Bush's watch:

When did Bush take the first oath of office?
January 20, 2001

When were the attacks on the WTC and Pentagon?
September 11, 2001.

It happened on Bush's watch. Period.

Oh, I'm sor-ry. Was eight months too soon? Did the mean bad men attack us before poor widdle Georgie was ready for the big, hard grown-up job that Daddy's friends in the Supreme Court fixed up for him?

The first attack on the WTC, and it wasn't by AQ but by people with loose affiliations to about five different groups, happened 37 days into Clinton's presidency, February 1993. Two years later, in October 1995, the mastermind, Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, was behind bars doing life.

"Osama is in Pakistan or Iran." Horse hockey. You don't know where the hell he is. Why isn't the SOB behind bars or dead?

Those W04 stickers you have on the backs of your cars are what I call "Fool Me Twice Stickers." You are a fool if your politics blinds you to sheer and utter incompetence.

If you think 9/11 was on Clinton's watch you are living in an impenetrable fantasy bubble. That's the reason when you hear anyone speak outside the bubble, you notice the similarities and immediately think we're in cohoots. No, we're not. Michael Moore is not an Al Qaeda sympathizer. John Kerry and Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer have not called for the mass extermination of the infidels. So why the similarity? Because wherever he is, Osama is more in touch with reality than Dick Cheney. You'd better quit wasting your time with this silly stuff and convince President Bush to get serious about hunting Osama down and killing him. It's been four and a half years. Either he's totally incompetent, or he's decided he's not really a threat and that leaving him out there enables continued political exploitation of the war on terror. I know Bush is doing a bang-up job of fighting the political war on terror. I am very worried he is doing next to nothing on the real war on terror, i.e., preventing the next attack.
Surely we all realize that the war in Iraq has absolutely nothing, nada, zip, zilch to do with keeping Americans safe or preventing the next attack. In fact, it has made us less safe and has made the next attack more likely.

I recommend you read The Next Attack: The Failure of the War on Terror and a Strategy for Getting it Right by Daniel Benjamin and Steven Simon.

kim

Frankly, I don't blame Clinton a whole lot for the whole failure of our efforts against al Qaeda during his regime. I think the primary architect of our impotence was Berger, with Clarke, Beers, et al, trailing along. Rider, 9/11 was PRIMARILY a failure of Clinton's administration. To argue otherwise is to take nonsense for your argument. And for more nonsense, how is Iraq as is more dangerous than Iraq under Saddam. Get with the program, Rider, your information has the immediacy of bin Laden's.
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Just what was Berger hiding? I maintain that what he took could still be important for our defense. He should have been hanged by his thumbs. I think he got off because he knew about datamining, and the powers that be just wanted him to go away quietly.
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Sue

Rider,

I missed you. Glad you're back. My laugh-o-meter needed charging. ::grin::

Sue

Funny, but I thought those responsible for the 1st WTC were the masterminds behind the 2nd attack. In fact, I'm pretty darn sure they took their plan to OBL who liked it. He really did...

Dwilkers

The whole idea of "blame" is misplaced.

The people to blame for 9/11 are the perpetrators not the people in our government. Yes, the intelligence agencies could and should do a better job. And yes, in hindsight you can pick this or that fact and make a case that the pending attack was obvious.

But it wasn't really, and the people elected to high office aren't fortune tellers. To me the measure of someone's performance in office is better taken by observing what they actually do when confronted with this sort of thing.

AQ blowing up embassies in Africa is one thing, AQ blowing up the WTC is something completely different. Nobody was seriously calling for Clinton (or Bush) to invade Afghanistan and overthrow the Taliban prior to 9/11. The idea would have been seen as ridiculous.

Bill in AZ

John in Tokyo,
No partisan hatred here dude. You can respect your enemy, yet kill him given the slightest opportunity. It doesn't mean you like him.

Mr Moore (and others in MSM) will forever have my contempt. He knows what he does and why he does it, and he knows the effect it has on the folks who have nursed on the marxist/socialist MSM for the last 40 years. Moore, along with many others, blatantly attempted to derail the democratic process of electing a US President during a time of war - and they very nearly succeeded. That should bother you, and it should bother anyone in this country, even the libs.

OBL declared war on us, and succeeded with several attacks before his most successful on 9/11. He was upfront about it - still is. The rest of the slime like Moore, et al sneak around and try to subvert the processes established over 200 years ago in this country. See the difference?

Gary Maxwell

Why would they show up to a planning meeting if the decision-maker had canceled out?

Clarice its really quite simple. Why go to Lahore or Pershawa and get stuck in a crowded shopping mall( bazaar actually) when you can go to quaint little Damadola and pick up a little bling from the family jeweler. I am surprised you did not see it.

Gary Maxwell

And Rider

Seriously KMA.

Rider

For an even-handed account of the failures of three administrations to address the growing threat of transnational terrorism, read Daniel Benjamin and Steven Simon's first book, The Age of Sacred Terror: Radical Islam's War Against America.

Say what you will, the blind sheikh was tried, convicted, and sitting behind bars doing life two years after the first WTC attack.

Where's Osama? The clock has been ticking for four and a half years now. Two years ago, in an action that was symbolic of the failure of Bush's entire GWOT, he allowed Osama to slip out of the noose in Tora Bora and instead projected our military into Iraq. Osama has been free to roam at will while Bush hunted down Saddam in the delusional belief that Iraq = GWOT.

What happened to "smoke 'em out"? Show me Osama's mug shot. Transnational Islamist terrorism is now so out of control, we have a lot more terrorist masterminds to worry about than simply Osama Bin Laden. But the failure to capture or kill OBL is an index of just how pitifully little Bush is really doing to prevent the next attack. Bush's version of the GWOT consists of nothing more than the political exploitation of 9/11. It's all flim-flam, smoke and mirrors, kabuki. Meanwhile, AQ is spreading and we are sitting ducks waiting passively for the next attack. Wake up.

Rider

"Seriously KMA"

a rhetorical white flag: the signal that one is out of ammunition, no facts, no evidence, no logic left.

Gary Maxwell

No but heartfelt

kim

You need to dry that horse off and let her rest. You cannot convince us that Bush is to blame for 9/11, that Saddam was not dangerous, and that we haven't crippled bin Laden's effectiveness. Here's a couple of nuances. First, there is the idea that OBL alive is a political plus for Bush. That is true until another horrible event can be laid at his feet. Another, still very faint possiblility, is that the rage ad self-destructiveness of al Qaeda can be channeled a bit more peacefully. He talks of 'rebuilding Iraq and Afghanistan', and I'm pretty sure he means in the Taliban fashion. But there must be some outlet for the energy that he clearly has mobilized and I don't see why moderation might not be the ultimate solution. Let's offer a truce. It's virtually inevitable, anyway. Bin Laden is a ghost dancer, the American left is a ghost dancer, and there are ghost riders in the sky.

Stepping on ghost pies in the sky. Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Rider

slime like Moore, et al sneak around and try to subvert the processes established over 200 years ago in this country

Bill in AZ, what in the hell are you talking about? Making films and giving speeches is sneaking around? You mean the First Amendment is a subversion? The First Amendment is one of "the processes that was set up over 200 years ago in this country" by the founders.

The attack-and-smear-the-opposition-as-traitors policies of this administration, of which the wingnut rants on this thread are fax-clones, do more to subvert the constitutional processes on which America was built than anything people like Michael Moore or Cindy Sheehan could ever possibly do even if they wanted to.

Your hate problem is not that you hate our positions. You hate our freedoms.

kim

Whattya bet Cheney is in Riyadh as we speak exploiting Sunni-Shia fantasy caliphates?
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kim

So, it seems do Moore and bin Laden.
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boris

You hate our freedoms.

No but the your smell is pretty bad.

kim

Whoa, Rider, your horse is panting. Who is more antipathic to our freedoms: Rice or bin Laden? Who is more antipathic to our freedoms: Moore or Rosset? You are out of gas, or straw; there aren't more than a few grains of sense in what you say. You're deluded, more precisely, deranged. Why would you disenfrancise Muslims?
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Rider

kim - your tangled metaphors are leading you into the incomprehensability zone again.

I was not arguing that Bush was to blame for 9/11, was I? A little too defensive there, kim. I was trying to penetrate your impenetrable fantasy bubble and convey to you all the message that Bush is responsible for the 9/11 WTC-Pentagon attacks, just as Clinton was responsible for the 1993 WTC attack. Clinton took responsibility. Bush needs to take responsibility. Instead what he has done is spend the last four and a half years exploiting it politically for all he's worth.

"Responsibility" and "accountability" are alien concepts for Bush and his supporters, I realize. You think it only applies to Clinton and the blowjobs he got in 1997. Lost in time and living in a bubble.

Rider

You do too if you think "freedom" means "free to support Bush without question." I've already said what I think that is, and it's not freedom.

Sue

I am having trouble following you Rider. On the one hand, you are outraged that someone would see OBL repeating the left's rhetoric and comment on it. On the other hand, you are outraged that someone would see the rhetoric as less than you exercising your freedoms. Which is it? Which outrage should we focus in on? Your freedom to express yourself or our freedom to do the same?

boris

not arguing that Bush was to blame for 9/11 ...

... Bush is responsible for the 9/11 WTC-Pentagon attacks

Time for your meds.

Rider

I'm not outraged. In fact, I said go ahead, if that's what you want to do. I did point out that it made you look crazy. (Silly and stupid would probably be more accurate) Yes, certainly it's free speech. Have at it.

Maybe you'd have less trouble following me if you would actually read what I posted.

Sue

You Bushistas are the biggest bunch of whiners I ever saw. You are the ones who are whining about the 2000 election; not the Democrats. You won't accept the obvious fact that the attacks of 9/11 happened on Bush's watch:

Yep, we Bushistas seem to be in good company having a problem following your argument...you too seem to have the same problem...

I was not arguing that Bush was to blame for 9/11, was I? A little too defensive there, kim. I was trying to penetrate your impenetrable fantasy bubble and convey to you all the message that Bush is responsible for the 9/11 WTC-Pentagon attacks, just as Clinton was responsible for the 1993 WTC attack.

Funny bone is being tickled...laugh-o-meter is fully charged now. ::grin::

Semanticleo

OBL also said we should get out of Iraq.

Does he sound like Jack Murtha too?

The Swiftboaters have now climbed on
board 'My pet boat'.

Rider

Bush was not to blame for the attacks. He is responsible for responding. Uh...he's, you know...the president? Duh.

Again a too defensive by half.

Sue

Rider,

Maybe you would have less trouble following yourself if you re-read what you had already posted. Just a thought...not really criticism...I like the laughs.

Semanticleo

http://www.crookedtimber.org/

Rider

Yeah, I am using "responsible for" in the sense of "being the grown-up in charge of what to do when shit happens."

Still too defensive by half.

boris

Anybody with a working nose has a problem following old rider rider pants on fire.

Sue

Rider,

You never commented on the fact that Clinton only got one of the people responsible for the 1st WTC attack. He left several out there plotting and planning the 2nd one. Is that the responsiblity you are talking about?

Rider

Is there a grown-up here I could speak with, please?

Gary Maxwell

Again too demagogic by half (and seriously just KMA)

boris

Rider's broken record is stuck on stupid. "defensive ... defensive ... defensive". Must have struck a nerve when John posted:

Why are Liberals getting so defensive here!? Seems like the worst reaction to have.

Sue

Rider,

LOL. What do I have to do for you to consider me a grownup? Call you names? I don't have anything to compare to Bushitler, Bushistas, etc. Help me out. What could I call you?

boris

what to do when shit happens

That explains a lot. Maybe you should consider depends.

kim

Rider, it seems to me that while listening to 'The Pet Goat' Bush meditated what has become an effective and far-reaching response. Go look at the tape, without Moorian framing.
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Rider

Are the denizens of this wingnut snake pit now seriously arguing that George W. Bush was/is not responsible for what to do after September 11, 2001? The point I have been trying to get across to you nincompoops in saying "9/11 was on Bush's watch" is that was Bush's responsibility to take charge and do something once the attacks happened. You are thick as bricks. Wilfully obtuse, I suspect. Bush is the president now; not Clinton. Duh. Clinton dealt with his. Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman has been sitting in the slammer for the past seven years doing life. Why is Bush not dealing with his? Osama Bin Laden is running around loose making tapes and training terrorists and spreading them out across the globe forgodssake. How many wake-up calls does it take for George W. Bush to wake up and do something (other than attack Iraq and capture Saddam Hussein instead of OBL)?

Question: Why are we still getting tapes from OBL?
Answer: Tora Bora.

Rider

I watched it. His response: continue reading The Pet Goat.

Sue

Well...I was sure shown how to act like a grownup...wasn't I? wing nut snake pit...nincompoops...willfully obtuse...duh.... Did I leave anything out? ::grin::

Sue

Rider,

Who took the plan to OBL for the 2nd attack? Do you even know? It makes a difference in your argument...that Clinton's responsibility is sitting in jail. Do you think taking out OBL would end the terrorism? Will removing one person do the trick? Your argument is for police action. Why run around the block screaming fire when you could shorten your trip by just saying that? You want Bush to arrest terrorists...after the fact. A fair position to have. One that is even defensible, if you know how to defend it. You don't.

boris

Hey everyone understands why the left want OBL captured. They want somebody ANYBODY to shut him the hell up so they can bash W without OBL mocking and discrediting their BDS.

Every time OBL pipes up they take a big hit in the PR department. No wonder they suspect W is letting him live as long as the US gets Afghanistan and Iraq. Everytime OBL holes up in a new country, it gives us and excuse to go take it over. What a nightmare for the left!

kim

And I suppose the subsequent war on terror was found within those pages, Rider? You were looking at a pensive mind, and it is yours and Moore's misapprehension that he was not highly engaged with events.
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kim

Please, go Tora a Bora. For an extremely clever enemy to evade capture is no disgrace to Bush. Clinton had lots better intell on bin Laden's whereabouts for a long, long period of time.
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Cecil Turner

Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman has been sitting in the slammer for the past seven years doing life.

And of course that served to thwart the next attack, because the perpetrators were behind bars. Er, Not. As the 9-11 Commission put it:

An unfortunate consequence of this superb investigative and prosecutorial effort was that it created an impression that the law enforcement system was well-equipped to cope with terrorism. Neither President Clinton, his principal advisers,the Congress,nor the news media felt prompted,until later,to press the question of whether the procedures that put the Blind Sheikh and Ramzi Yousef behind bars would really protect Americans against the new virus of which these individuals were just the first symptoms.
If your solution is more of the law enforcement paradigm, I suspect November will be another unpleasant surprise.

Semanticleo

Well...I was sure shown how to act like a grownup...wasn't I? wing nut snake pit...nincompoops...willfully obtuse...duh.... Did I leave anything out? ::grin::

NONSEQUITUR

I would think you folks would welcome a
divergent opinion or two to prevent you
from stewing in your own proverbial juices
and creating intellectual offspring that
have those cul-de-sac gene pools which
result in mental and physical infirmities.

Stop the inbreeding before it is too late
and the limbic brain becomes the only
activity found on electroencephlogram.

max

A must read for rider, randy paul et al:

http://www.villainouscompany.com/vcblog/archives/2006/01/american_dummit_1.html

Sample:

"But in standing tall, he [President Bush] had broken the cardinal rule in Washington: never take an unequivocal stand. He handed his opponents the knife they would later use against him. For the true Enemy was now revealed: it was not the terrorists who threatened America.

It was George Bush.

We all know what happens to giants. They must be brought down. The threat they pose is obvious; they are a mirror in which our own images are dimly reflected, and we do not much care for what we see."

kim

They can't use that data in COURT, for God's sake. There can be no other justifiable reason for gathering it.

One can be so comforted by the steady structure of a rigid structure of law, as to become insensitive to the dangers inherent in the design. It is magnificently symbolic that huge solid structures were brought down by people acting virtually unsuspected in the intimate midst of a secure and law abiding people.
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Sue

Leo,

I for one welcome a divergent opinion or two. Especially when it includes new ad homs for me to contemplate.

boris

would welcome a divergent opinion or two to prevent you from stewing in your own proverbial juices

Old rider rider pants on fire is divergent alright. He apologized for calling Hitler a neoconservative because it was an insult to Nazis. Between rider pants and OBL that's some real class ya got on your side there.

Semanticleo

Sue;

Not making excuses for history I am ignorant
of, but it is a natural reaction for one
who is being piled on, to resort to flailing
in order to escape the blows

Rider

We all know what happens to giants. They must be brought down.

OMG Talk about shameless whining! This takes the cake. LOL. How ridiculous.

Bush's response after finishing The Pet Goat: attack Afghanistan (only pacifists weren't with him on that), leap-frog from there to attack Iraq, put the Constitution in the shredder, throw the Bill of Rights under a bus, agressively expand the powers of the Executive over the other two branches, wiretap everybody, and exploit the attacks politically like there's no tomorrow (which might be right if a grown-up doesn't do something real about terrorism).

kim - Wake up and smell the coffee. Osama didn't evade Bush in Tora Bora. Bush pulled out of Tora Bora and re-deployed in Iraq. We didn't have enough people there to cover the back door. We didn't track him down. We lost the specialized Arabi-speaking units that we neede to hammer the nails in his coffin because George "smoke 'em out" Bush pulled them out and sent them to Iraq. He is not serious about the GWOT except as fodder for political exploitation.

kim

Hey Cowardly Lyin': Assuming we're an echo chamber is the surest mark of a troll. Try a thought; you may get several back. Or lose hook, line, and sinker. Maybe paddle, too. Whatever, we feast.
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Sue

Leo,

Who piled on you? If that is your defense of Rider's use of ad homs it won't work for you.

kim

Naw, bin Laden faded into Nomad's Land, where he is still found, dead or alive. Bush pursued the next most important state sponsor of terrorism and succeeded, as he will with the next. Don't forget Libya, North Korea, and probably soon, Wahabbi Arabia. You should smell something other than what you presently are perceiving. If the thought fits, seize it.
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boris

kim - Wake up and smell the coffee

That's not coffee. That's rider pants.

Semanticleo

Kim;

Try educating your self on the 'fallacy of
the undistributed middle' Or don't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_the_undistributed_middle

boris

If that is your defense of Rider's use of ad homs it won't work for you.

Hmmm ... thought he was referring to OBL.

kim

The flailing, Leo, is failing arguments. Ad homs nearly always are the last refuge of a sophist.
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Cecil Turner

Bush pulled out of Tora Bora and re-deployed in Iraq. We didn't have enough people there to cover the back door.

Why not, I wonder? For "outsourcing" Tora Bora, I'd recommend First In by Gary Schroen. Not that he's a military genius (he obviously isn't), but he has a very interesting discussion of some of the logistical hurdles encountered in Northern Afghanistan, including the challenge of getting enough fuel to run his single helicopter. Those who pretend we could've inserted the 10th Mtn Div in short order are missing the big picture (and are at best operationally unlettered).

Sue

Or Wikipedia. That is also a clue. ::grin::

Rider

Forgive me if I pass up the opportunity to roll around in your straw arguments.

If you recall, when Clinton sent Cruise missles against Bin Laden, he was accused of being in Wag The Dog mode. To put boots on the ground in Afghanistan in the middle of Monicagate would have been impossible, thanks to the shrill Clinton-hating opposition from the GOP leadership at that time (which sounded just like stuff OBL was saying about Clinton, btw).

I'm not here to argue about Clinton, but will if you like. My point is that you are wasting your breath and making yourselves look silly and stupid comparing OBL to the DNC. You had better be concerned about getting GWB to do something real about the GWOT.

Semanticleo

Sue;
Where did I say I was being piled on?

I just have a character flaw. I
defend an underdog when bullies
start pounding.

Rider

Cecil - Show me Bin Laden.

Semanticleo

Kim, Sue;

I see you choose 'no'

kim

I won't Leo, I don't need tutoring to recognize fallacy. It comes dressed in it's own suit.
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boris

boots on the ground in Afghanistan in the middle of Monicagate would have been impossible

Excuses excuses. Brought it on himself now it's the biggest excuse for dropping his balls.

kim

We are not comparing OBL to the DNC. He and they are doing it themselves.
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Sue

Leo,

Following your line of thinking, we should draw straws to see who gets to counter his arguments because otherwise, it is piling on?

Rider

The fallacy of the undistributed middle. I didn't know the name for it.

Yes, this is the same fallacy some genius here fell for:

1)The Nazis were neocons
2)You guys are neocons
3)*Therefore, You guys are Nazis

kim

Leo, are you choosing bits of straw to construct that image you have of me? Are you then going to lay eggs in it?
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kim

Rider, your 'ism' is undeniable. Fess up, or falter.
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Rider

1)The Nazis were neocons

This same genius actually insisted that I apologize for saying this, btw, and attacked me with the charge of anti-semitism for having said it to boot!

Sue

Rider,

Bush has been accused of far worse than wagging the dog. It hasn't kept him from doing what he feels is the right thing. If being accused of wagging the dog is what kept Clinton from pursuing terrorists, then he didn't deserve the title of CiC.

Rider

"ism"? "ism"? What the hell is that? Are you speaking Arabic now? Kimberlite is not the same as diamonds. You are tripping over your own cleverness again. What in the hell are you talking about?

kim

Do either of you two see how the undistributed middle can be a sophist's trick to give plausible deniablilty to his point? Or is that a little too naked for you?
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Semanticleo

Kim;

All I know of you is what is showing in the present.

Sue; You are clever enough to know what
constitutes 'piling on'. Excercise your
own standards as you see fit. Don't
divert the discussion with an attempt
to corner me into defining your morality
for you. That is a tactic, not a give-and-
take discussion.

Rider

A JAUMF in Afghanistan in 1998 would have been impossible and would have been laughed off the floor of Congress with howls from the GOP side of the aisle.. It was only possible in 2001 because we had been attacked. Get serious.

kim

Your intolerance is dazzlingly on display in a gorgeous setting.
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Semanticleo

plausible deniablilty to his point?

Kim; That depends on the point you are
perceiving. Semantics is the key to
communication.

kim

The Taliban in 1998 was excessive and doomed. Clinton could have done what Bush did, but didn't choose to find a pretext.
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Rider

The pundits in Tom Maguire's post at the head of this thread are indeed all sophists and using this fallacy with abandon to bamboozle the stupid and the silly.

Finding a "pretext" is the right word for what Bush found all right. He's the Flim-Flam Man. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

kim

Perhaps, Leo, and Rider chose to deny the slur. That's fauxemantics, cowardly and dishonest.

It's put so sophistically, if you please.
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boris

Kim: see how the undistributed middle can be a sophist's trick to give plausible deniablilty to his point?

This goes beyond the undistributed middle ...

Rider pants: Hitler & Co. are perfect examples of neoconservatives

If P is the perfection of Q then all who aspire to Q aspire to P.

Semanticleo

This thread is a little OT, isn't it?

Aren't we talking about Tweety, the KKKanary
in a coalmine and his public comment comparing
Moore to OBL?

Semanticleo

You see?

That's what descends as dialogue.

Ad Ho in slomo.

boris

Semantics is the key to communication.

But logic is the key to reality.

Semanticleo

Farewell yodelers.

Time spent elsewhere is more productive

Sue

Leo,

I didn't ask you to characterize anything. You took it upon yourself to take on that job. I do thank you though for saying I am clever at something. Inbreds don't usually get even tidbits of praise...

Sue

Ad Ho in slomo.

He rides in on an ad ho...he rides off on an ad ho...

::grin:: Then has the nerve to chastize someone else...

kim

Crow on, Semanticleer, wake the dead. Arise, zombies and dance. If you get it just right the glory will come.
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boris

Rider: Fool me twice...

Caption contest ...

Cecil Turner

Show me Bin Laden.

Again, that's not the point of the exercise. Making a martyr of Bin Laden, while admittedly satisfying, would have minimal effect on the threat situation.

A JAUMF in Afghanistan in 1998 would have been impossible . . .

Fine, then we should resist the urge to lob a couple missiles his way. A half-a**ed response is worse than none at all (especially in this case, where combined with Somalia and other missteps, it appears to've convinced Bin Laden that we lacked resolve).

and his public comment comparing Moore to OBL?

And the ample evidence available to support such a comment? The best argument against it is that it was too easy (and hence not very sportsmanlike).

kim

Rider, you've still missed the jump. Clinton should have done what Bush did. Clinton was too busy with tomfoolery to engage in flim Laden flammery. Get it?
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topsecretk9

---I watched it. His response: continue reading The Pet Goat.---

I'm sorry, but this is the single stupidest outrage on the left. That the left had to reach down this far in the barrel to formulate a criticism is so transparent. Tempt me with the false notion that anything Bush did in reaction would not have satisfied you.

"Oh children, I must go. Terrorists have bombed our buildings"

Sue

TSK9,

It is such a winning strategy though. Wait...I'm lost in the alternate universe they live in. It hasn't been all that great...so far...but you have to hand it to them...like a dog with a bone...gnaw it to death.

Gary Maxwell

Rider is a moron who either doesn't remember what he has stated previously or doesn't think we will check.

Laugh at him. Its so funny to know that every day for three more years he has to wake up to Bush time. Its like "Ground Hogs Day" for him. I am sure that will give you a chuckle.

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