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February 17, 2006

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This submission to the Islamists is a curious phenomenon. Apparently, it's also a left-right phenomenon, although I can't figure out why that would be. It doesn't appear philosophical, anyway. The hard-line Muslims are antithical to everything liberals say they're for, and would gladly slit all their throats in a minute, yet it seems clear enough that the left is on board with the cartoon double standard, the claims that we're routinely abusing the poor lads in prison, flushing their sacred books down toilets, breaking down doors and dishonoring women in the night, etc. Anything to help or incite these wackos seems to align with what Democrats are most interested in. But why?

Rick Ballard

Ex,

Next time you're feeling sickened by the tactics check these two sites. I find them cheering. The netroots campaign is showing great results for the RNC. January was a stellar month. Mehlman beat Dean $13.9 mil to $5 mil and the Reps have almost six times as much cash on hand as do the Dems. Oh, and Dean raised 33% less in January than he did in December.

Aside from that, the Hackett debacle and the grilling of Dem staffers by the FBI on the NSA matter everything is going great for the Dems. Except for the Senate races in MD, MI and NJ. And maybe a few House races.

Great tacticians.

clarice

And the AFL-CIO splintering into bits.

topsecretk9

But why?

Because everything they want to beleive in is in grave danger of ceasing to exist. The left needs a struggle to fight, they aren't interested in solving or putting an end to the struggle otherwise people don't need them.

So they seize and create struggles. That is really all the left does anymore. I mean the idea that killing any notion of social security reform is something to REJOICE because your agenda is to defeat anything Bush, to the detriment of Americans, really tells you all you need to know about the party.

Peter Daou

I've been trying to enjoy a mellow (though frigidly cold) Saturday in NYC, so I've only checked this thread a few times. Just got back to my computer and saw a bunch of responses, so here's my response to the responders:

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2006/02/greenwald_green.html#comment-14106496

Larry, I know you think you're infinitely smarter than I am, but did it occur to you that Tom emailed me something that I interpreted as a suggestion that I added the 'note' later?

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2006/02/greenwald_green.html#comment-14106110

Jeff G, unlike Larry, you are in fact smarter than I am. Though allow me this one gripe: I was reading a post of yours the other day (can't remember which one) and thought your encyclopedic knowledge - and erudition - was interfering with the simplicity of your argument. After the tenth 'ism' I was lost. Then again that might just be me.

Getting back to Glenn's piece and why I think it's so important. (And take this from someone who surveys right-leaning blogs for a living) ... The fawning over Bush by so many supposedly "conservative" bloggers is a sorry sight. I've always wondered how far that support will go. The NSA issue answers the question: they'll go far enough to let this little man ignore the law. It's sad, really. I felt Glenn captured the essence of the mindset that would allow someone to do this.

Anyway, this'll probably be my last comment on this thread. Please everyone, feel free to rip my arguments to shreds (and to lob a few choice personal insults as well). Just remember this: I do what I do because I love my country and because I worship the Constitution. I'll grant that you're coming from the same place. I just wish some of you would chill on the Bush adoration and help us terrible, treasonous progressives to protect the Constitution.

Warmest regards,

Pete

TM

But why?

Because everything they want to beleive in is in grave danger of ceasing to exist.

Well, if Mr. Daou is looking for seminal works expressing great idea that needed to be said, maybe he could dredge up a post exposing the faux-liberaliam of the left today.

The theme - all you need to do to be embraced as a lefty is (a) oppose the war, and (b) bash Bush.

Thoughts on the minimum wage, income inequality, women's rights, health care, or whatever else are not even optional - they are a distraction.

But oh, yes - be pro Palestinian.

*THAT* would be a rockin' essay. For example, aren't there serious lefties who were non-plussed at the idea that Murtha ought to rebut the State of the Union?

The anti-war, anti-Bush illusion of unity is fun for now, but it lets them duck all sorts of tough questions (like hey, dude, where's my platform?)

That is somewhat the point Adam Nagourney was making a few weeks back, I suppose.

TM

Ooops, I have crossed comments with Mr. Daou. Well, let me steal his response to Larry:

did it occur to you that Tom emailed me something that I interpreted as a suggestion that I added the 'note' later?

It may have ocurred to him that I put in a revision to my post, in brackets, making *exactly* that suggestion. Here is a bit:

...Another mystery - is that a "NOTE", or, more precisely, an "UPDATE"? Put another way, did Mr. Daou seriously not realize that his "NOTE" and his opening paragraph contradict each other, or did he add the "NOTE" later, perhaps after outside intervention?

That said, since I mentioned in my original post, my email, my revision, and my comments here that I had read the note, it still makes no sense for anyone to imagine that I could have provided the outside intervention which inspired an UPDATE.

However, I continue to wonder if in fact it was an UPDATE. Well, if he doesn't want to say, fine.

More from Mr. Daou:

The fawning over Bush by so many supposedly "conservative" bloggers is a sorry sight....

I'll grant that you're coming from the same place. I just wish some of you would chill on the Bush adoration and help us terrible, treasonous progressives to protect the Constitution.

Uh huh. Well, I think the endless Bush bashing on the left is a sorry sight, and I wonder if anything at all will end it. I also wish some of you would chill with the Bush Derangement Syndrome and help protect this country, but I imagine I am asking too much.

That said, keep up with the Authoritarian Cultist theme (at least, until it is supplanted by the next iteration of Frightened Bedwetters) - it really promotes dialogue and mutual respect.

Meanwhile, at this blog you will wait a long time before ypu see an absurd, attention seeking post diagnosing half the left blogosphere as Peyote Poppers, or whatever juvenile insult pops into my head. Despite the efforts of folks like Mr. Daou, my respect for many of the folks on the other side of the debate is quite genuine.

Well. For some reason, I am trying not to laugh as I recall this post, with this result.

Jim in Chicago

"because I worship the Constitution"

The Constitution? I don't know. Does the Lefty constitution have an Article II in it?

Oh right. Article II only counts when there's a democrat in the White House. Gotcha.

larwyn

A little insight from
One Cosmos

On why we/reason does not get thru:

Listen, for example, to this piece of unhinged Cheney hatred written by that intellectual giant, Alec Baldwin, on puffingtonhost yesterday: "Cheney is a terrorist. He terrorizes our enemies abroad and innocent citizens here at home indiscriminately. Who ever thought Harry Whittington would be the answer to America's prayers. Finally, someone who might get that lying, thieving Cheney into a courtroom to answer some direct questions."

This is an example of almost "pure" unconscious logic, identical in tone to the kind of insane rhetoric that comes out of the Arab world. Although the statement appears completely illogical, it actually obeys the strict logic of the unconscious. It's just a different kind of logic. As in the recent discoveries of chaos and complexity theories, Freud's discovery was that apparent irrationality is not arbitrary but ordered: it is patterned irrationality.

That is, according to Freud, unconscious logic obeys five main principles: timelessness, placelessness, non-contradiction, displacement and condensation, and inability to distinguish between imagination and reality. However, Freud had no idea that these same principles also applied to the higher vertical realm of consciousness, what Sri Aurobindo calls the supramental overmind. Rather than spending time explaining how these five principles apply to the unconscious, I'll skip that and explain how they apply to the higher vertical as well


Larry

Peter Daou | February 18, 2006 at 09:18 PM: "Larry, I know you think you're infinitely smarter
than I am, but did it occur to you that Tom emailed me something that I interpreted as a suggestion
that I added the 'note' later?"
Well, not being privy to your email, sir, I made the mistake of reading the post and the thread. Silly
me! I may not be smarter than you, but I bet I got better grades in reading comprehension, you
condescending twit.

topsecretk9

Larry,
Don't sweat it, they're smart than us all...that's why their having this little hissy fit.

Thanks Larwyn
It would be good for Arianna to preserve her brand a little by proofing her Puffington's. Larry's lawyers .just know Cheney was drunk OK?, and can't remember his name but one poster had first hand knowledge that African Americans were cannibalizing after just 2 days in new Orleans. Quality stuff.

"Cheney is a terrorist. He terrorizes our enemies abroad and innocent citizens here at home indiscriminately.

I was wondering if that elephant (with red, white and blue bunting of course) in the living room is inconvenient for "Cult Expert" GGreen.

Sort of silly, obsessing about conservatives brainwashed devotion, while ahem Islamist ahem are burning down Europe, calling on gays, artists, cartoonist, filmmakers, reporters, publishers (all hell everyone not Muslim) to be murdered because an imans and clerics told them to.

Damn luck.

topsecretk9

their = they're

kim

Well TT, good question, why does the left smell authoritarian to me? It's partly answered by the phrases T uses above, 'faux liberalism'. It is not today's leftists who remind me of 'classic liberalism', but rather today's economic conservatives, and neocons. Furthermore, leftist dialogue drips with 'political correctedness' an elite, and authoritarian attitude. And last, time and time again, I've been called a fascist when it is clearly projection. You had to be there.
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kim

For instance, Peter's defense of the Constitution, well one of the branches of the government it entails, is patriotism, and mine is authoritarian allegiance to a strongman. Fah!
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kim

And TT, when you claim the Republicans control all the levers of power, you forget the lying MSM and their (at least) 15% effect on the polity.
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maryrose

When Peter lets slip his real derision referring to President Bush as"that little man" he loses his argument with me. TM is right BDS trumps any and all helpful ideas or solutions. There is no one calling the shots for the dems -they are rudderless. They just keep jumping from what they perceive as one pseudo-disater to the next. Fruitless, pointless, out of control.

kim

Thanks, M, that 'little man' went right past me. That's the real objection they have; he's not a little man. I'm a convert. I used to despise him. We've not seem many leaders like him. I think it is the battle against Demon Rum. Sex, power, fame, money all pale in comparison.
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kim

There is in fact something to this 'cult' business, though attaching a word with such pejorative associations is poisoning the discussion from the gitgo. I mention that I've converted to admiration of Bush from distrust. By his actions, he has convinced me and the rest of his 'following' that he has enough moral authority that we can forgive him some political failings. This helps explain why support for him comes from a number of different ideologies on the right and the middle. Several commenters here have assumed that since we trust Bush with some of his delegated executive powers, we would also trust any other executive with them. Heck no, and that's the cultish feel to this. How to answer that objection? Well, trust but verify. And certify in the voting booth.
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Jim in Chicago

Reflecting more on Mr. Greenwald's post. in light of formulating a response to Greg at Belgravia's post attacking Gitmo:

What Greenwald is really doing is cleverly trying to pre-empt arguments from the Right. By dismissing anyone who defends Bush administration policies as members of a "cult" he's effectively saying, hey we don't have to listen to these guys. We don't have to take on their arguments on the merits.

Not surprised tho that he's trying this tact, given that Jeff Goldstein's eaten Greenwald's lunch over the NSA issue. Much easier to dimiss Goldstein as a member of a cult, then to argue with him, eh Mr. Greenwald.

topsecretk9

By dismissing anyone who defends Bush administration policies as members of a "cult" he's effectively saying, hey we don't have to listen to these guys.

Let's hope they take this message straight to the voters!

larwyn

Raising them Mark Steyn!

Cheering tidbits lighten otherwise grim week

February 19, 2006BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

In an otherwise grim week -- at least on unimportant peripheral matters like Iranian nukes -- three things cheered me up....
........snip
So anyway David Gregory's going bananas and yelling "I will yell!" and "Don't be a jerk!" at the White House press secretary, and there's more smoke coming out of his ears than from Ronald McDonald in Lahore, and I'm thinking, you know, maybe Karl's latest range of Rovebots that he planted in American media corporations are just a wee bit too parodically self-absorbed to be plausible And then this lady pipes up and asks, "Would this be much more serious if the man had died?"


WOULD HE ACCEPT AN INVITATION TO FRIDAY NIGHTS LIVE??

,,,,,,another excerpt:

On CNN, out of "sensitivity" to Islam, they show the cartoons but with the Prophet's face pixilated so that he looks as if Cheney's ventilated him with birdshot and it turned puffy and gangrenous. C'mon, guys, these are interesting times. Anyone can unload the umpteenth round of blanks into the bulletproof Chimpy Hallibushitler, but why not take a shot at something that matters?

You gotta read the whole thing!

Click here: Cheering tidbits lighten otherwise grim week


larwyn

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