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February 13, 2006

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Lou Grunt

Seriously, it is possible to create a parody of the media more hilarious than their actual actions?

clarice

No. It isn't. I wouldn't even know how to start. Gregory and Moran have to be the biggest a**holes in the country with Milbanks a close second after his wacko Olbermann appearance in orange hunting gear.

I figure every WH presser, the Reps go up another point in public opinion polls.

Syl

I watched the presser. They're nuts. I did a thing over at YARGB about it.

But the incident itself is funny. Sheeesh. And some of the jokes going around are pretty good, even if it isn't us that are making them.

I think we should simply laugh about it and let those who are outraged and those who are calling for Cheney's resignation hear our laughter too. They take themselves way too seriously.

richard mcenroe

And it's Turkey Season...

Mescalero

Autos don't drown young women, Teddy Kennedy drowns young women! Not only that, Teddy hides under mommy Rose's skirt while Arthur Schlesinger, jr. and the archdiocese of Boston cover up his transgressions against the American people!

maryrose

richard mcenroe Good link-Milbank does look a partisan clown- Let them laugh now-we will have the last laugh in November. One reporter actually asked if Cheney should resign! Talk about clueless journalists-no wonder the story was given to a new reporter on the Corpus Christi paper instead of these vultures.

kim

One of the main purposes of regulating a militia was to enforce fire discipline more to diminish friendly fire casualties than for effect on the enemy.
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topsecretk9

McEnroe
Apparently Journo 101 has made drastic changes, rule one BECOME the story and employ every tactic possible including costumes, bullhorns, yelling, tantrums...whatever it takes to deflect all interest in the original subject and ALL eyes are on you.

ed

Hmmm.

Perhaps someone should ask those MSM Gatekeepers of Freedom when they're planning on publishing those cartoons.

MayBee

Hearing Dick Cheney shot someone was my own personal 9/11 moment. It was that big. And like 9/11, there was a coverup. I'm an outraged citizen, but I sleep better at night knowing that David Gregory is fighting for my 32nd Amendment Right to Know.

Daddy

Wonder if Joe Wilson's paying attention?

News reports say the victim, Harry Whitington, claims he was sent on this hunting expedition at Dick Cheney's "Behest".

epphan

If Dick Cheney wanted you dead, you'd be dead. You always have to take them alive...so you can torture the information out of them.

TexasToast

It's interesting that they are still blaming the victim - Whittington walked up from behind them and was "beside" them when it happened. Whittington was "at fault" only for not insisting that the party wait for him to retrieve the bird he had shot before they moved on.

Apparently, Mr. Cheney wheeled and fired his gun to the side (if not to the rear) and thats a no no. Its the shooter's responsibility to make sure no one is in the line of fire - Cheney obviously did not do so.

Moreover, the reports I heard said that they took 40 pellets out of Whittington - that seems to be too much for 30 yards away - a pattern that tight indicates a choked gun at close range.

Apparently, Mr Whitting ton and Mr Cheney are very lucky that this is just an embarrassment - a pattern that tight in a slightly different place could have killed the man.

Cecil Turner

Mr. Cheney wheeled and fired his gun to the side (if not to the rear) and thats a no no.

Probably explains why you do all that side-to-side practice on the trap range, eh? So you'll know not to do it in real life?

a pattern that tight indicates a choked gun at close range.

Don't bird hunt much, do we? Seriously, TT, if you don't understand a subject, don't hold forth on it.

TexasToast

Ya got me Cecil, I haven't been bird hunting in 20 years - but I was taught safe gun handling - including the rules about knowing where your buddies are before you shoot.

Tell me how the tight pattern makes sense at 30 yards with a shotgun?

Dwilkers

You gotta love all the bird hunting experts popping up to tell us you don't follow the bird to the side with your shotgun. You'd have a helluva time ever shooting one that way.

I was talking to a guy yesterday that was holding forth about how they weren't real hunters because they were driving up, spotting them, getting out of the car and shooting them. He'd read a single sentence of a media report and that's sure the way it sounded to him. Seriously, he thought they just drove around, spotted them, then got out and walked over and shot them - and he was holding forth about how much he knows about quail hunting.

Anyway. Its Cheney's fault no matter what - he was behind the gun. I'm sure he knows that quite well.

And I sure as hell am glad he didn't kill the guy if for no other reason then we'd be hearing conspiracy theories about it for the rest of our lives.

Cecil Turner

Tell me how the tight pattern makes sense at 30 yards with a shotgun?

Not enough information, but I doubt it's all that tight. If it's a standard load of number 9 birdshot, it'd probably have more than 500 pellets . . . getting hit by 40 indicates a fairly wide pattern with Mr Whittington at the edge. If it's a load of BB's, he'd have taken ~ 80% of the total load (and would no longer be with us). I suspect it's something in the middle, but more toward the former.

Further, the term "choked gun" is meaningless. Pretty much all shotguns are "choked"; you have to specify which type of choke (e.g., Skeet, Improved Cylinder, Modified, or Full--there are others for serious shooters) to indicate the dispersion. Besides, your contention is silly . . . if Mr Whittington had taken a full load of shot at close range, he'd be the late Mr Whittington. Here's a good depiction (warning: a bit graphic).

TexasToast

As Cecil ever so politely reminded me - I should just link to ">http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014015.html/"> Talkleft .

Cecil Turner

Well, that was interesting. I'm surprised to see a 28 GA in use . . . that's a rare gun (and usually only shot by experts). The lawyer is probably wrong about the choke, however . . . with a smaller gun you typically choose a tighter choke (to preserve range). Regardless, his conclusion is obviously flawed:

Dick came within a few inches of blowing this guy’s head off, because the pattern at 5 or 10 yards would only be 10 or 20 inches across.
A pattern 10-20 inches across that hits someone in the face, neck, and chest? Then obviously he must've caught the middle of it, eh? No, only about 10% of the shot? Tell me how that works (hint: it doesn't).

topsecretk9

t's interesting that they are still blaming the victim - Whittington

Nope, that is the news media's description. A truthful explanation happens to detail Mr. Whittington making a MISTAKE, but liberals have an intense need to ASSIGN BLAME especially if they get to assign it to Cheney.

Accidents happen, people know this, liberals have once again overshot their wad.

Sue

Are people crazy? I went to Texas Toast's link at Talk Left. One of the posters compared what happened with Cheney to Uday/Qusay shooting Iraqis in the Tigris River. I swear, the left gets loonier by the day. The local sherrif was notified. An ambulance was called to take Mr. Whittington to not one but 2 different hospitals. Some conspiracy...

Sue

Sheriff...bad typepad...bad....

clarice

What an astonishingly lot of ink and air on this--I get it, Cheney's evil, guns are evil, not giving the story to the msm first is eveil--ergo....

boris

Bird hunting like pheasant, partridge and especially quail is the quickdraw of sport hunting. The details available so far sound like a genuine accident to me. (Full disclosure, I actually have some frozen partridge and pheasant in my freezer).

Cheney should not have tracked and fired outside his immediate field of view, but it's an easy mistake to make hunting birds. They move fast. Knowing the position of anybody within range is very important to avoid accidents and failing to make one's presense known is a contributing factor.

cathyf

Here's one to hang your tinfoil hat on. Apparently Mr. Whittington is at the center of a major eminent domain case in Austin (scroll down to "Overdue Process"). So maybe Cheney is escalating? Schmoozing with Scalia didn't work, so now he figures he has to shoot those who would stand in the way of the Bushitler McHalliburton government takings?

Things that make you go "Hmmmm...."

cathy :-)

clarice

At R/S/S/'s suggestion, Cheney is making nice to the WH press corps. He's invited Helen Thomas, Gregory and Moran to go quail hunting.

Sue

ABC news is reporting Mr. Whittington has been returned to ICU. Another thing that makes you go hmmm...

topsecretk9

Sue

That's weird, I just read where he is just being moved out of ICU (he's been there the whole time)

Sue

TSK9,

Even weirder...ABC is now reporting they are waiting on him being released from the hospital. Who knows? This is MSM we are talking about...you know...the big guys...

topsecretk9

Sue
This would be a moment for the MSM to seek a little medical advice themselves (can we get a special prescription valuim drug plan for David Gregory and his ship of fools stat?)

Dwilkers

Lol. That talkleft link is cute.

Aside from the usual loony-toon comments, the purpose of the post appears to be to establish that Ms. Armstrong is wrong about the distance between Cheney and the guy that took the pellet dusting. They may very well be right, although that guy's estimation of shot pattern is so heavily dependant on the shell type and equipment as to be a wild guess - as he all but outright admits.

Estimating distance like that isn't that easy and based on the account I read I suspect Ms. Armstrong was sitting in the truck while watching them - so she would have been looking at their backs from a distance and estimating distance isn't that easy in any case.

She says about 30 yards, he (the talk left guy) says more likely 10-15. Well by all means let the impeachment begin!

Dwilkers

I should have read Cecil before I posted.

"A pattern 10-20 inches across that hits someone in the face, neck, and chest? Then obviously he must've caught the middle of it, eh? No, only about 10% of the shot? Tell me how that works (hint: it doesn't)."

Good catch.

maryrose

Once again this is much ado about nothing. This must be a slow news day if this is all they can talk about. Iran started their nuclear program up again yesterday and this is all we can talk about? Sheesh!

Sue

TSK9,

I think Dana Priest (??) of the WaPo should be first in line. Followed by Gregory. And hook 'em up to an IV, that way the drug will work faster. Sheesh...

Sue

McClellan today...the National Champion Texas Longhorns will be at the WH today. They are wearing orange because it is the school color, not because Cheney is in attendance.

::grin::

Sue

Dana Milbank. I knew Priest didn't sound right...

topsecretk9

Okay I'm convinced

after 27 "Cheney broke the law" headlines because he didn't have the $7 duck stamp, the NYT's, in ME TOO world, wrote an editorial - an editorial people, Nedra Pickler is on her 52nd Update...

It's Rovian plot. The knew the media would glom onto this like stink on you know what. Like Brittany, he did it again. He's brilliant I tell you.

Clyde

Wonder how long it'll take the moonbats to call for Cheney's impeachment because he didn't have the $7 bird stamp?

Sue

TSK9,

Tell me, Top, if you wanted to distract the MSM away from the Katrina reports, what better way than have the VP shoot someone...

[cue scary music]

topsecretk9

HAH, Scott McCellan to Gregory- I know you want this to be about you David, but it's not!

LOVE IT. LOVE IT. Presidential Presser --- Reporter BECOMES the story.

Love it. I'm sure that Rosen is in a huff over this Journalism 101 gaffe ...NOT!

TM

If Dick Cheney wanted you dead, you'd be dead.

Let's get one thing straight - the only reason Whittington was still conscious was Cheney didn't want to carry him.

The Unbeliever

Per #11--Dick Cheney doesn’t miss quail. If he didn’t hit one, it’s because he was shooting at a lawyer an undetermined distance away.

Dwilkers

HAH! Good one TM.

Here's mine:

Question: What were the first words out of Dick Cheney's mouth when he shot his hunting partner while shooting at a quail?

Answer: "Someone get my quail."

The Unbeliever

Or, as noted elsewhere, "Don't think of it as Dick Cheney shooting a friend in a hunting accident. Think of it instead as Dick Cheney only winging a laywer."

clarice

Michelle Mlakin notes it took only 18 hours to report the peppering of this lawyer and 30 hours to report the death of Clinton's WH counsel.

topsecretk9

and hey 9 hours before Ted even just went to the Police, and 2 days to the media, so I'm pretty impressed with this scandal so far.

maryrose

TS
Love the comments at the presser. Smackdown by McClelland who obviously is tired of being msm's whipping boy.

Sue

Seems like Mr. Whittington is in worse shape than previously thought. I think I will stop with the jokes...

maryrose

Never any satisfactory explanation for Clinton White House counsel's death and still no reason for cleaning out all the files and removing all evidence.

Sue

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-odonnell/was-cheney-drunk_b_15646.html>I realize the hook now...

topsecretk9

Lawrence O'Donnell is a lunatic with no sense of proportionality, restraint or irony, Lawrence, you mean like TED?

Sue

Hey, the right needs a drunk story to balance the left's story.

topsecretk9

I think the left should back the heck up on this, Mr. Cheney's heart is strained to limit right about now, and god bless him, I would not be surprised if his health is in perilous danger as well.

The potential for this to be a sad national moment is high, and Dana Milbank's silly little crossing guard uniform is beginning to leave a bad taste.

If things go south, the answer to the DC PCorp temper tantrum over the first dibs slight, will be pretty obvious to all.

maryrose

Sue;
What an awful web-site. What a vicious display. Let's say a prayer for a speedy recovery.

clarice

BTW, I have spent a lot of time picking buckshot out of quail and pheasant and it's quite bothersome. And worse to bite down on the oddbits I missed.
Not that I turn dosn offerings from hunters, but it's a lot easie to work with the farm raised stuff.

TexasToast

"He was in stable condition after being hit with as many as 100 birdshot pellets but incurring largely superficial wounds, said Dr. David Blanchard, who briefed reporters in Corpus Christi." - Austin American-Statesman

Looks like he got hit by more of the pattern than we thought - 1/3 to 1/4 of the shot in a 28 guage shell if the info we have been reading is correct - and now Mr Whittington has had a "small" heart attack caused by buckshot lodged in his heart.

A bit more serious than we were told - it appears. It can't help matters any that the info keeps coming out in dribbles here and there - but that seems to be the MO at this White House.

Lets pray that the poor man recovers. Even us lawyers don't deserve this.

Sue

Texas Toast,

You want Cheney to give you medical updates? Isn't this Mr. Whittington's story now? Regardless of what you think about the initial non-reporting?

Sue

Clarice,

I had an avid hunter correct me when I inadvertently called it buckshot. Something along the lines of you know what you get when you shoot a quail with buckshot? Feathers. ::grin:: It's birdshot.

TexasToast

Nope - I don't want Cheney to give medical updates. The length of time in the ICU combined with the heart attack does tend to show that the shooting was more serious than we were led to believe. To paraphrase Jon Stewart, peppering is what one does to a steak. This man was apparently shot. The blame shifting to the victim is also rather distasteful.

Forgive my prejudices, but the initial non-reporting does tend to make one reach for the Reynolds Wrap - particularly because all the later reporting tends to show that the initial reports about the incident were - ummmm - understated.

Sue

It must have been the dribbling from the WH comment that left me with the impression you thought the updates should come from there.

topsecretk9

SUe
Doesn't matter. This story isn't even Mr. Whittington's. It all about the left, all about their hatred, all about their intense need to place blame, all about their need to demonize the administration.

"A bit more serious than we were told". See they'll ignore the fact the man is 78 and his age alone makes it serious, always has.

Even Us lawyers don't deserve this? Deserve what? It's just stellar how the left suddenly adopts previous sworn enemies as brothers in arms whenever they sense an opportunity.

Spare us the faux solidarity Texas. Last week Mr. Whittington was just another rich, powerful, redneck Hallibuton Corny that you looked down your nose at or worse.

clarice

I'll have to remember that, Sue.
Now, dove is what I love and since we haven't them here I rarely get them. Stuff 'em with jalapenos, wrap in bacon, rub with olive oil and stick on the grill for a few minutes. MMMMMMMm

Sue

Clarice,

Yummy...

topsecretk9

Good advice for Cheney: NRO

We have an editorial up on the hunting accident and the media:

Cheney himself should make a public appearance on the matter, and the sooner the better. He should get himself with a respected national anchor — perhaps Brit Hume of Fox News — as soon as this evening to express his regret and explain in his own words what happened. He should stop relying on press aides who were not present at the accident to tell his side of the story. Not talking only feeds speculation, and aids the cause of those who want to lampoon and smear him. Let's hear from the vice president.

cathyf
Now, dove is what I love and since we haven't them here I rarely get them. Stuff 'em with jalapenos, wrap in bacon, rub with olive oil and stick on the grill for a few minutes. MMMMMMMm
Gee, do you really need the dove? Jalapenos, bacon, olive oil, grill -- as Emeril would say: "Feel the love!" Seems like a cornish hen oughta work just as well, and you can get that in the freezer case at the supermarket. (Even out here in the sticks where parseley is an exotic herb we can come up with frozen squab.)

cathy :-)

Gary Maxwell

After thinking aobut it I think Mr Whittington is obviously a Republican. Cheney would not miss if he were a Dem. Do you think Leahy likes to bird hunt?

TexasToast

Gee Top, your NRO cite is pretty much what I said. I would love to here Mr. Cheney “…express his regret.”. I’m not holding my breath, as he has never, to my knowledge, admitted any error in the past. Remember when he said we would be “welcomed as liberators” – Has he ever taken that one back?

It doesn’t appear that anyone on the “left” was hunting with Mr. Cheney, so I fail to see how the story is about “the left”. Further, the initial reports were spun to minimize the seriousness of the incident and the responsibility of Mr. Cheney. All “the left” has done is point out that the facts that keep dribbling out don’t match the initial storyline.

Many of the jokes arising from this incident are reincarnations of lawyer jokes or Elmer Fudd ripoffs– funny when the man was just “peppered” - but no longer funny now that the man is apparently in real danger.

Further, Top, I grew up rubbing shoulders with quite a few “rich, powerful redneck Halliburton crony’s”. I still do work for some. “Looking down my nose at them” is probably the last thing I would do.

Gary Maxwell

I ask again, Pat Leahy do you like to bird hunt?

topsecretk9

Gee Top, your NRO cite is pretty much what I said.
No it isn't.

Sue

Cheney doesn't owe you an apology, even if the accident is his fault entirely. You have no idea what Cheney has said to Mr. Whittington, where the apology would be appropriate, whether Cheney was entirely responsible or not.

How does a hunting accident translate into the liberation of Iraq?

Sue

Gary,

John Kerry likes to hunt. ::grin::

maryrose

Evidently Pat leahy feels he got off easy with just foul language from Cheney. I was going to say "fowl" language but then didn't know whether everyone would appreciate punny humor.

clarice

Cathy f--Any other bird is to big for that to taste as good.
If you can get semi-boneless quail, salt and better the inside. Mix Italian sausage meet with some cognac. Stuff the insides. Rub the birds with olive oil, salt, pepper and fresh roemary. Let them sit for 30 minutes and grill.

I don't see the point of cornish game hens. They have no flavor to me.
But if you can get the small chickens, known as pouisson, we are talking tasty!
As for pheasant, saute the breasts in butter and top with a rich sauce made of all the leftover ibts of the bird. No matter what people say for some reason when you try to roast them whole the rest is too tough to eat in my experience. You can braise them though if you want to serve the whole bird. That works.

clarice

slat and PEPPER the inside, I mean. and Italian sausage MEAT, not meet.(and the amount for the stuffing is about 4 Tb; per bird

topsecretk9

Cheney doesn't owe you an apology, even if the accident is his fault entirely.

But this is not, I repeat not, about the left. Every "story" or "press slight" is a "scandal" with the left.

I mean really seriously
"Let's just be clear here," Gregory said. "The vice president of the United States accidentally shoots a man, and he feels that it's appropriate for a ranch owner who witnessed this to tell the local Corpus Christi newspaper and not the White House press corps at large or notify the public in a national way?"

Is there really any wonder why the Admin just doesn't trust these guys. I have little doubt with a press corp this arrogant and childish as first responders, the story would have started from the opposite extreme. That is, the headlines with NO reporting but an official press release would start something like, "Cheney kills hunting companion", and we'd still be served the same little petualant games they're playing with no regrets they got it all wrong.

larwyn

Sue wrote:
"if you wanted to distract the MSM away from the Katrina reports"

Might be you are correct - but not
for reason implied.

Clarice had link at American Thinker earlier today to the
NYT's reporting all the fraud from
the "katrina victims" - more than
900,000 cases in the distribution of the $2,000.00 debit card issued under questionable circumstances.

Over $100,000.00 for one "address".

Gee, wonder if the hue and cry from
the MSM and their seaching for the starving "so poor, so black"...CNN'S Blitzer, now they will attack the incompetence of FEMA/BUSH.

These are the same people that don't want ID for voters. The same
people that claimed all these people who evacuated "forgot" their purses and wallets.

Any men out there who don't put the
wallet in their pocket first thing and take out last thing before bed?

And what are the chances of a woman fleeing who would leave her purse - her makeup?. 2ND
THING YOU WOULD GRAB AFTER THE KIDS! And woman tend to keep their
cell phones in their purses, so would want that too.
(And when you argue that the "poor"
don't have cell phones - you're wrong. The prepay cell phones have
made phones available to people that cannot get past credit problems to get land line.)


Why do we still expect any of the LEFT to think and argue in any
logical manner.

topsecretk9

full links here

"Caller-Times Editor: "We Got the Story First... By Gaining the Trust of Our Sources"
Right Wing Dad e-mailed to draw my attention to this column by Corpus Christi Caller-Times Vice President and Editor Libby Averyt (free reg. req.):

Our own Caller-Times reporters were first with the story that Cheney had accidentally shot Austin attorney Harry Whittington during a quail hunt in Kenedy County.

We broke the national story at 1:48 p.m. Sunday with an e-mail alert and a story on our Web site Caller.com, 48 minutes before the Associated Press moved anything on the story and a full hour before CNN issued an e-mail alert.

We got the story the way dedicated journalists have tracked down news for years - through strong, consistent building of sources and good, old-fashioned reporting. [...]

Because of the Armstrong family's long-standing professional relationship with reporter Jaime Powell, Katharine Armstrong called Powell around 8 a.m. Sunday and left voice mail messages to return the call. Powell, who was in Austin, did not immediately receive the messages. [...]

Once in the newsroom, Powell spoke to Armstrong again and said she wanted to talk with the vice president, whom she had met last year at the funeral of Katharine Armstrong's father, Tobin. Cheney came to the phone and briefly spoke with Powell - so far his only public comment on the matter. [...]

"You had a relationship with my father," Armstrong told Powell. "You and I had a relationship and that relationship had grown stronger after my father's death, and my family was comfortable with calling the hometown newspaper."

Maybe it's the pride in my staff talking, but I believe the White House press corps is whining just a bit because this news came first through a local daily newspaper's Web site and not following a mass press briefing thousands of miles away from the accident.

We got the story first by consistently working hard and professionally and gaining the trust of our sources. And because we did, the rest of the world got the story, too.

"We knew we needed to make it public," Armstrong told Powell. "It was a private weekend hosted by a private family, and we were comfortable calling the hometown paper and you. I trust you."

Averyt is exactly right. Cheney and his friends, the Armstrongs, went through the local press because they did not trust the White House press corps to break the news in a professional and responsible manner. After all, would you trust this man with such a sensitive story? How about this guy?

TexasToast

Sue

I didn't ask for an apology. As you point out, I am not owed an apology. NRO suggested an "expression of regret" - and I agree with them.

Actually, if Mr. Cheney has any risk of legal jeopardy as a result of this incident and I were his attorney, I would advise him to do exactly what he is doing - keep his big mouth shut. One can't lie if one doesnt say anything. So perhaps there is a reason for the silence.


Dwilkers

Clarice described the Texas post-dove hunt eating ritual perfectly. I am guessing my first encounter with that recipe was 30 years ago.

Wow. He caught 100 or more pellets? We're all lucky the guy is alive. If he had been much closer they'd have been picking up pieces. Man I bet he's sore.

And what the hell anyway? You mean - in addition to waiting 18 hours to tell the press - they didn't get an accurate pellet impact count? Surely the first thing they should have done is count exactly the number of pellet impacts so the report to the press was perfectly correct.

First aid can wait - we got a newspaper to run here!

topsecretk9

Tex

I think his PUBLIC silence is rooted in the firm belief that no matter what he says it will be wrong with the press. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I think he should just get out there, do what NRO says, dribble visene down his face and watch the MSM pee their pants.

Sue

Texas Toast,

You didn't explain how you got from the hunting accident to the liberation of Iraq. Want to take a stab at explaining that remark away?

topsecretk9

un-eef'ing-believable (and no I don't think it's a joke)

Dummy up, Scooter

Barry Saunders, Staff Writer
Accident my eye. Or rather, Harry Whittington's eye...

...Just as surely as a fish wrapped in a bulletproof vest means 'Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes,' that shotgun blast to Whittington's face was meant to convey that I. Lewis 'Scooter' Libby had better bite his tongue and forget about testifying against Cheney, his former boss, in the Valerie Plame spy case...

...That revelation had many questioning how low this administration would go to quash dissent.

Now we know..."

Sue

I personally wish they had come out at midnight on Saturday and said there had been an accident at the Armstrong ranch involving the VP. No further comments at this time.

Big Louie Patooti

"Looks like he got hit by more of the pattern than we thought - 1/3 to 1/4 of the shot in a 28 guage shell if the info we have been reading is correct - and now Mr Whittington has had a "small" heart attack caused by buckshot lodged in his heart."

"that shotgun blast to Whittington's face".

Dis is very unprofessional woik,he should'a use da Browning .50 like we told him.

MataHarley

TT

Buckshot and birdshot are two very different animals. Birdshot was the ammo used.

The BIRDshop "migrated" to the heart after time, and was not lodged in the heart by the impact. Story here, along with the doctor's assessment that Mr. W will be just fine and suffer no repercussions. It was not a traditional heart attack, but that he suffered an atrial fibrillation... rather like a muscle irritation.

Easily treated with medication, not surgery. Rejoice in his recovery.

Lou Grunt

I wish Mr. Cheney would come out and make a statement. Something along the lines of "Dear Media Friends, F Off! My focus is on my friend and not you."

The media has once again been able to turn a story about nothing into a story about how wacko the media and lefties are. I am enjoying the show tremendously.

And Texastoast, who is going to bring charges for this accident? The quail for attempted murder. Go crawl back under your rock. You have at least another 20 years of GOP rule to endure.

P.S. Unlike the media and our friends on the left, I wish Mr. Whittingham a speedy recovery.

TexasToast

Mata

buckshot was a typo - I am aware of the difference.

Sue

My only point re Iraq was the Cheney is of the school that you never admit a mistake - and there are examples-a-plenty of "inoperative" positions in this White House. Off the top of my head - WMD's, Katrina, the deficit, liberators, "getting to the bottom" of Plame.

Lou

Interestingly, a man in south texas just recently was charged with manslaughter after he killed an illegal immigrant he thought was a feral pig. It was an accident as well, but the shooter's name was Mendoza - not Cheney.

Sue

TT,

All of which has nothing to do with the accident in South Texas. Just another feeble attempt on your part to turn an accident into something else.

MayBee

Paula Zahn just asked a question prefaced with, "If Cheney had nothing to hide...."

Nothing to hide? How does it get twisted into something to hide or not?
Anyway, Alan Simpson pointed out that the press doesn't like Cheney and he would have been a fool to think they would have handled this story well in any circumstance. As they are now proving.

People I'd want on my side: Alan Simpson, Curt Weldon (looney, but tenancious with Able Danger).

Sue

Maybee,

Lawrence O'Donnell is stirring them up that liquor was involved. His basis? He's seen the tailgate parties that republicans attend at football games on Saturday afternoon and don't tell him Cheney wasn't sipping the sauce. Kind of reminds me of election night when Susan Estrich smugly told Brit Hume to look at those voters still lined up in Florida. They didn't look like republicans to her. I mean seriously, these people want to be taken seriously? What do republicans look like? Do democrats not have tailgate parties where drinking is involved? How can you tell a democrat from a republican unless they tell you? Republicans really don't have horns. I know, I've checked a few to see.

PeterUK

"buckshot was a typo - I am aware of the difference".

"My only point re Iraq was the Cheney is of the school that you never admit a mistake -"

Takes one to know one.

Concerned citizen

Sue
CHAPPAQUIDDICK

clarice

Does NBC really think David Gregory is an asset? Hmm Looks like ALL the big alphabets are run by nitwits, well-paid nitwits.

MayBee

Sue- ahh, so that's what he is trying to hide. Well, we should probably make it illegal for POTUS or VPOTUS to drink. Or hunt. They should stay in glass chambers for public viewing at all times.

O'Donnell, having spent time in the Clinton Whitehouse, is probably quite familiar with drinking and odd accidents (gregnormanstaircase). Didn't O'Donnell's West Wing cover alcholics and presidential accidents pretty sympathetically? Didn't even Josiah Bartlett keep some things from his beloved American public?

If Cheney was drinking and had this accident, that is a shame. And speculation is certainly O'Donnell's right. It is an odd story and it deserves coverage. But trying to turn it into another scandal is just tiresome, and the press turning it into a scandal about themselves is embarassing.

maryrose

Msnbc and cnn keep running the presser with David Gregory's obnoxious questions. Kate O'Beirne says"msm got their feelings hurt because they were not informed first, so now it's payback time. I agree with TS-it's a temper tantrum because they didn't get their way! And as with children, ignoring them is the best remedy.

topsecretk9

"Dear Media Friends, F Off! My focus is on my friend and not you."

No doubt, and also tell them "get off McCellan's a**, you and I both know, no matter what answer we give you, you still have your predetermined story-line and your going to print what you want to print, so dispense with the mock outrage, please. It's stupid"

Gary Maxwell

I too think Cheney should speak to the press. He should call them all in a room and announce he had a statement and would not be taking any questions and then simply say " you and the Pat Leahy you rode in on." then whirl and leave the room.

topsecretk9

I think that Cheney should address Gregory. It would be a flippin' riot if Cheney made a personal call out

"and I just want to say to David Gregory, where are you David...oh there you are, David I just want to personally apologize to David, you took this especially hard, and I am so sorry we went to the local paper. I promise David, we meant no personal slight to you, and since we now know how to heart you take this kind of thing I assure you that the next time YOU DAVID, you will be the VERY FIRST person I call. I am so, from the bottom of my heart David, sorry this hurt you so"

Gary Maxwell

TS

With a PS

"GFY David"

MayBee

I'm with Sue (I think Sue, I can't find the post now) and wish that Cheney's office would have put out a short press wire. Just because it seems like that should have happened, even if I don't agree that this is something we HAD TO KNOW.

There's also no doubt in my mind that whatever Cheney would have done, it wouldn't have been enough to stave off these ridiculous press speculations, because the speculations are so far afield they are coming out of thin air anyway.

Mike Powell (Newsweek or WaPo?) just told hard-hitting Larry King that the way this was handled makes Americans question how prepared the White House is to handle a true national emergency. Thankfully, Alan Simpson pointed out that this is not indicative of national emergency communications becauase...well, because it was not a national emergency.

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