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February 09, 2006

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danking70

Have Pincus and/or Kristoff ever been asked their thoughts on Wilson's Senate testimony about their Wilson-based stories?

Was it "misreported", "misstated", "misrepresented" his sourced story?

topsecretk9

via fedora & Cboldt
"Buried in this story are the following ...

Libby has never claimed that Cheney encouraged him to disclose information about Plame to the media. ...
Finally, the new information indicates that Libby is likely to pursue a defense during his trial that he was broadly "authorized" by Cheney and other "superiors" to defend the Bush administration in making the case to go to war. Libby does not, however, appear to be claiming that he was acting specifically on Cheney's behalf in disclosing information about Plame to the press.

Note too, the article leads the reader to think in terms of "this is a leak case." But it's not. The charges against Libby are that he deliberately mislead investigators.

The thrust of the article in that regard is that Libby's defense team wants to show that Libby was pressed with bigger fish than affair de Plame, and therefore forgot that he knew for a fact that Plame worked for the CIA when he talked with investigators."

"Cbdoldt, you noticed the exact same parts of the article I did: the body of the text states that there was no testimony indicating Cheney authorized anything regarding the leaking of Plame's background, but Waas buries this information in such a way that the casual reader would not notice this and would go away with a false impression. "

food for thought

richard mcenroe

So all we have to do is keep telling Hillary she's too angry and by 2008 she'll either turn into Howard Dean or her head will pop like a cartoon thermometer?

clarice

Last week a report about a problem with the National Archives and the WH records was spun in the fever swamps to sugges t the WH had destroyed records. This week we have this Waasout disinformation. I suspect that having had some much success manipulating the media to pump the phony Wilson story the left is now loathe to let up.

topsecretk9

So, this would seem to be relying on leaked secret grand jury testimony to report on a leak. If tru, I'd like mustard with my irony.

Rick Ballard

TS,

I think (and there is no way I'm going to check) that there was no "leak" involved. This crap was pulled from Fitz documents or his affidavit - all previously published material.

Like I said earlier - it's a rehash with mud topping.

topsecretk9

This is the headline in NYT's

"Ex-Cheney Aide Testified Leak Was Ordered, Prosecutor Says"

Ordered?
An authoritative indication to be obeyed; a command or direction.
1st Graf

"WASHINGTON, Feb. 9 — I. Lewis Libby Jr., the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, told a grand jury that he was authorized by his "superiors" to disclose classified information to reporters about Iraq's weapons capability in June and July 2003, according to a document filed by a federal prosecutor...

...We also note that it is our understanding that Mr. Libby testified that he was authorized to disclose information about the NIE to the press by his superiors....

...The prosecutor's note of Jan. 23 does not, however, make any reference to Mr. Libby's involvement in the disclosure of Ms. Wilson's identity. It seems, rather, to be part of an effort by the prosecutor to demonstrate that Mr. Libby was engaged in using secret information to press the administration's case at the same time that Ms. Wilson's identity was leaked to reporters..."

Authorized
To grant authority or power to.
To give permission for

Man, gymnastics training must be a resume requirement for journalism these days. How blatantly misleading can you be?

maryrose

I don't think Hil makes it to 2008. Dems at least understand that if she's the candidate they will lose again. I also think many will be willing to take her on because they now sense her vulnerabilities and will go after them. Can you imagine her shunning Wal mart money after she served on their board and lived in Arkansas. There's another state she won't get. Kerry says " what states is she going to get that I didn't"

topsecretk9

Rick
I see that now. It is sort of funny though. Here Fitz bought in the media manufactured "smear" campaign of a whistle-blower and now his words have been pretzel twisted in the same media wish not fact fashion.

There is a word for this too. Irony?

clarice

Is there another candidate who as they said of Kerry is "electable"? This is going to be a huge intra party knife fight and Dean's puchback against Reid for trying to remove him is just a preliminary round.

topsecretk9

"Ex-Cheney Aide Testified Leak Was Ordered, Prosecutor Says"

Oh and forgot to point this out too. Headline, leak was ordered...

Story? Referring only to NIE and notes "The prosecutor's note of Jan. 23 does not, however, make any reference to Mr. Libby's involvement in the disclosure of Ms. Wilson's identity. " --OR SAYS A LEAK WAS ORDERED.

It's almost sad the biggies demeaned themselves with WAAS's lead. But then again, the word sheep comes to mind.

danking70

So after these new stories, will the press ask Fitzgerald why he didn't frog-march Cheney and Rove in front of the Grand Jury after Libby dropped this "bombshell"?

I can already see the made-for-TV movie...

Fitz: "Did you order the code red?"

clarice

Well, now Fitz will get a taste of what Libby has been getting..Maybe Tatel will add this to his press clippings to be cited as evidence file.

topsecretk9

Clarice--
maybe he won't like to see the word "authorized"

clarice

You can be sure that letters and emails will start pouiring in citing the article and demanding to know why he didn't go hiigher up. And given the normal incivility of the left, they will be unpleasant to read.

topsecretk9

Clarice
will Tatel be displeased to see "authorized", in the sense Fitz made it seem everything was classified

clarice

Maybe it will occur to him that the NYT can't read Fitz' affidavit any more accurately than he does.

skinnydog

Was Valerie Plame's name even in the NIA that is being referenced?

JM Hanes

owl

"Geesh..... Do you suppose Fitz ever looks at this stuff?"

Oh yeah. Fitz refers to articles in the press (the Post, Reuters, etc.) more than once in his filings -- which is probably where Judge Tatel picked up the habit.

aaron

Tallest man in Afghanistan...actually, the one time they did attack someone based on height, it turned out to be a herdsman or something.

Al Qaeda's Great Escape

clarice

skinnydog, Her name is n't on the NIE..neither is Wilson's .It is simply the consensus assessment of the intelligence agencies--in this case on Iraq's WMDs. As Rick noted during the spring and summer of 2003 various bits were bit by bit declassified and Tenet and Rice talked to reporters about it during that time.

Lew Clark


I never did fall for that "Valerie Plame" codename stuff. If she really was covert, I bet she had a codename that would not link to her "civilian identity". So whose to say her codename wasn't "yellowcake" or "Baghdad", and her secret name wasn't all over that report!

Jeff

the normal incivility of the left

I guess clarice thinks that if you're nastier about people than you are to them, that makes you civil, eh?

clarice

Certainly. Doesn't everyone?

clarice

Pincus again--this time with a front page story about an EX (thank God) CIA official Pillar who claims the Administration affected the assessment by asking questions..A nitwit, fo course. Pillar was the top analyst at the CounterTerrorismCenter for most of the 1990s. In April 2001, he published a book (Brookings Institution) which argued that terrorism was not a very serious problem.


More B.S>

clarice

Pincus again--this time with a front page story about an EX (thank God) CIA official Pillar who claims the Administration affected the assessment by asking questions..A nitwit, fo course. Pillar was the top analyst at the CounterTerrorismCenter for most of the 1990s. In April 2001, he published a book (Brookings Institution) which argued that terrorism was not a very serious problem.


More B.S>

Lew Clark

I can kind of sympathize with Pillar. During my federal career I was always having the perfection of my analysis marred by higher-ups asking questions.

owl

Since I am reporting on the Yahoo frontpage tripe, they left that "Libby" up until a few minutes ago (it will be back later) but now they have brought out the big guns.

"Report: White House knew about levees"

Since this was the one successful hit that actually affected Bush's poll numbers, the next full frontal assault is on.... Someone decided to combine NSA/Libby/Katrina. Because the MSM handled Katrina with lies, most people can't get beyond those trapped people's faces.

richard mcenroe

"How many people were dropped from that Kerry campaign...Let's see -Berger-sticky fingers,socks and pockets-Wilson- King of Niger who almost got a speaking gig at a Kerry fundraiser, His appointed religious person -after no one would give him communion- Am I missing anyone?"

Maryrose — Don't forget the noble Reverend Alston, the gallant brutha from the Band of Brothers who sank from sight like an unhitched Swift Boat anchor after it turned out he testified to seeing Kerry perform his manly acts of martial valor... at a time when the Reverend was flat on his back in a military hospital miles away with a head wound.

Larry

Hillary's smart? How smart do you have to be to share the stage with Bill and choose or agree to speak AFTER arguably the best public speaker of our time? Unfortunately for her, it was one of Bill's best ever, too. If it was the gong show, she'd have gotten the hook. Really weird that she had the keynote spot when the sitting Pres and three formers all spoke. My hat's off to the two of them, though. The only Dems who didn't bash GW (at the funeral).

Larry

BTW, Igor sent Hillary the first MOAM (Mother Of All Megaphones) prototype. Harry, Nancy, Barb and JFK getting preproduction models, too. The better to hear their braying, bleating and blathering. ALGORE? Heck, he don't need no steenking megaphone. His 150 db screech can be heard up to 1,000 miles radius. Don't think they'll let him stay out long anyway unless he gets back on his meds.

kim

He was takin' it to 'em!
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kim

You might say that 'Man of God' was with him spiritually if not physically.
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clarice

OT but interesting:

The Telegraph reports we are planning an attack on Iran


Quote:
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Strategists at the Pentagon are drawing up plans for devastating bombing raids backed by submarine-launched ballistic missile attacks against Iran's nuclear sites as a "last resort" to block Teheran's efforts to develop an atomic bomb.

Central Command and Strategic Command planners are identifying targets, assessing weapon-loads and working on logistics for an operation, the Sunday Telegraph has learnt.


They are reporting to the office of Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, as America updates plans for action if the diplomatic offensive fails to thwart the Islamic republic's nuclear bomb ambitions. Teheran claims that it is developing only a civilian energy programme.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/12/wiran12.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/02/12/ixnewstop.html

Great graph at site.

clarice

Iran

kim

Shivering submarines.
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clarice

I figure they play with cartoons and we let this "leak" out. Are we hiding a royal flush or is it a pair of low cards? LOL

Rick Ballard

Correct link to Telegraph Iran article

Gee, what a not surprise.

clarice

Thanks, Rick--

Here's a second Telegraph article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/12/wiran112.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/02/12/ixnewstop.html

Let's put a map up and play war games..

The last time we looked at this, I believe we thought there were 11 key sites. Now we're down to 8.

Wonder if we aren't whittling the number down even further. (Watch to see when Iran kicks out the IAEA which it has now banned from using most of its equipment.

kim

I am dubious of Philip Sherwell's claim that in two years Iran will be close to having the knowledge to develop a weapon. I'll bet they have that now. The missing link is a quantity of enriched uranium.

Also, I consider it a sign of real progress that we find a need to convert Tridents to conventional weapons.
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clarice

I consider it a sign of real progress that we find a need to convert Tridents to conventional weapons Why?

Larry

Man bites dog: DOD has no contingency plan for attacking Iran. Ho hum: DOD doing its job, contingency-planning attack on Iran.

kim

Moving assets from strategic deterrance to tactical potential is a plus in my admittedly thin book, C, because it is being done not just to address a need in the straits of Hormuz, but because there seems less need of the deterrance. I am pretty sure that wouldn't be done if Rice hadn't looked into Putin's soul and found hope.
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