Neil A. Lewis of the NY Times takes on the story broken yesterday by Murray Waas in The National Journal, with embarrassing results.
The Times is OK with the lead:
WASHINGTON, Feb. 9 — I. Lewis Libby Jr., the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, told a grand jury that he was authorized by his "superiors" to disclose classified information to reporters about Iraq's weapons capability in June and July 2003, according to a document filed by a federal prosecutor.
The document shows that Mr. Libby, known as Scooter, was actively engaged in the Bush administration's public relations effort to rebut complaints that there was little evidence to support the claim that Saddam Hussein possessed or sought weapons of mass destruction, which was used to justify the invasion of Iraq.
It is only the details that go awry:
...The prosecutor's note of Jan. 23 does not, however, make any reference to Mr. Libby's involvement in the disclosure of Ms. Wilson's identity. It seems, rather, to be part of an effort by the prosecutor to demonstrate that Mr. Libby was engaged in using secret information to press the administration's case at the same time that Ms. Wilson's identity was leaked to reporters.
The letter was first reported Thursday by the National Journal, which said its sources had identified that one of the superiors was Mr. Cheney.
"The letter was first reported Thursday by the National Journal"? C'mon, set aside the fact that bloggers have been chewing on that letter for a week; other aspects of this letter have even made it to the mainstream press (WSJ, WaPo, Times). And the notion that the letter does not "make any reference to Mr. Libby's involvement in the disclosure of Ms. Wilson's identity" is absurd.
Continuing:
The National Intelligence Estimate, which was done in October 2002, said that Iraq "will probably have a nuclear weapon during this decade," but it included some dissenting views. The report was classified.
But amid doubts about the rationale for the invasion of Iraq some of which were attributable to Mr. Wilson's Op-Ed article, the administration declassified the report on July 18.
Well, parts of the NIE were declassified - that is almost the same thing.
Mr. Fitzgerald said in his letter that Mr. Libby discussed the contents of the classified report in a July 8 meeting — 10 days before it was declassified — with Judith Miller, then a reporter at The Times. Ms. Miller, who spent 85 days in jail before agreeing to testify in the leak case, has told the grand jury that Mr. Libby told her about Ms. Wilson at the same meeting.
I am certain others were sooner, but Mike Isikoff pointed out that what Libby told Ms. Miller about the NIE was not confirmed by its subsequent release.
OK, enough Times-bashing. The Waas article attracted lots of commentary yesterday, but let me toss in one point. From Waas:
Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby, testified to a federal grand jury that he had been "authorized" by Cheney and other White House "superiors" in the summer of 2003 to disclose classified information to journalists to defend the Bush administration's use of prewar intelligence in making the case to go to war with Iraq, according to attorneys familiar with the matter, and to court records.
Libby specifically claimed that in one instance he had been authorized to divulge portions of a then-still highly classified National Intelligence Estimate regarding Saddam Hussein's purported efforts to develop nuclear weapons, according to correspondence recently filed in federal court by special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald.
So, Cheney was authorizing Libby to disclose classified info. Keep in mind that de-classification is an Executive Branch function, and let me toss in this from Fitzgerald's now-famous letter (via Byron York). Special Counsel Fitzgerald was explaining the possible importance of Judy Miller's testimony, but had already heard from Administration figures:
To date, we have no direct evidence that Libby knew or believed that Wilson's wife was engaged in covert work.
Let's note that there might be some haze around the phrase "direct evidence" - if, for example, Cheney testified that he told Libby that Ms. Plame was covert, but nothing to that effect shows up in Libby's notes or subsequent conversations, does Fitzgerald have "direct evidence" of Libby's knowledge, or not?
That asked, the Libby indictment notes several conversations between Libby and government officials about Ms. Plame - if anyone had said she was covert, wouldn't that have been mentioned?
"Covert" is word Fitzgerald did not want to use at his press conference, and he did not use it unambiguously in his subsequent correspondence, as noted by both Byron York and Mark Kleiman. Well, I am a broken record on this - until I see actual evidence, I am stuck on the notion that Ms. Plame's status was classified, she had been covert at one time, but as of June/July 2003, she was not a covert agent as defined by the relevant statute.
FWIW, that is a separate question from whether the leak of her CIA role actually harmed national security; Bob Woodward and Andrea Mitchell said no, Fitzgerald is not saying (and does not want to disclose that to Libby's team) but again, who knows?
NOTE: Fitzgerald did pass over this at his press conference; he circled around the topic and delivered something for everyone:
Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community.
Classified. Got it. How about the Intelligence Identities Protection Act?
...So let me tell you a little bit about how an investigation works.
Investigators do not set out to investigate the statute, they set out to gather the facts.
It's critical that when an investigation is conducted by prosecutors, agents and a grand jury they learn who, what, when, where and why. And then they decide, based upon accurate facts, whether a crime has been committed, who has committed the crime, whether you can prove the crime and whether the crime should be charged.
Agent Eckenrode doesn't send people out when $1 million is missing from a bank and tell them, "Just come back if you find wire fraud." If the agent finds embezzlement, they follow through on that.
Stop it. Either she was covert, as per the statute, or she wasn't. We have had a two year investigation, and that basic point remains unanswered? Please don't tell me you investigate facts, not statutes, and offer a silly bank robbery example - sure, there are lots of ways to rob a bank, but you can't out a covert agent who is not covert.
And by the way - the statute does not say that whether a person is covered by the statute is contingent upon the testimony of the Vice President's Chief of Staff. Her status under the IIPA is a fact independent of the testimony of Libby, Rove, or anyone else in the White House.
A reporter takes this up in the Q and A, with dismal results:
QUESTION: Can you say whether or not you know whether Mr. Libby knew that Valerie Wilson's identity was covert and whether or not that was pivotal at all in your inability or your decision not to charge under the Intelligence Identity Protection Act?
FITZGERALD: Let me say two things. Number one, I am not speaking to whether or not Valerie Wilson was covert. And anything I say is not intended to say anything beyond this: that she was a CIA officer from January 1st, 2002, forward.
I will confirm that her association with the CIA was classified at that time through July 2003. And all I'll say is that, look, we have not made any allegation that Mr. Libby knowingly, intentionally outed a covert agent.
FITZGERALD: We have not charged that. And so I'm not making that assertion.
He may not have charged it, but at the risk of repeating myself - whether she is covered by the statute is not contingent on what is charged - what about the public's right to know?
Of all the leaks of closely held information in Washington, I am astonished that this factoid has been kept quiet.
The Vice President can't declassify anything, even if he is Cheney.
Posted by: jerry | February 10, 2006 at 12:25 PM
I looked that up once; let me see if I can find it.
Posted by: TM | February 10, 2006 at 12:53 PM
Tom,
I think the problem is that "covert" is a statutory term, not a classification the CIA uses for its agents. Plame was a NOC and her affiliation with the CIA was classified. But that alone does not mean she was "covert" within the meaning of the IIPA. Only a judge can determine that. If Libby were charged with an IIPA violation, the issue of whether Plame was "covert" would undoubtedly be litigated. The judge would have to determine, after extensive briefing by both sides, whether the activities Plame engaged in the last five years and the attempts made to conceal her identity by the CIA were sufficient to make her "covert" within the meaning of the statute. This is kind of like determing whether "probable cause" exists. The police and prosecutors may think it does, but you don't really know until the judge makes the call.
I suspect that is why Fitzgerald has remained silent on this. He thinks he has an argument that she was "covert" but, because there is almost no case law on point, he can't be 100% sure his argument would prevail. As for why no one has leaked this information, it's because no one knows. It's a close question of law that has not yet been litigated (and may never be).
Posted by: Anonymous Liberal | February 10, 2006 at 12:55 PM
TM
I'd go further, if I were you, and question whether Waas broke anything new yesterday (though he definitely confirmed it will corrborating sources). I noticed that NIE paragraph and put two and two together on who Libby's likely superiors were:
ReddHedd noted it too and said this:
Posted by: emptywheel | February 10, 2006 at 01:07 PM
Missing $1,000,000.00 FOUND!
Upon investigation it has been confirmed that the owner of the account withdrew the million $$$.
It was a data entry error only.
The million dollars was never actually missing.
Posted by: larwyn | February 10, 2006 at 01:12 PM
Well. Here is the relevant Executive Order from Bill Clinton, and we do note, it is an Exec Order, not a law.
This is close to the point (Sect. 3):
So Tenet would have clear authority to declassify parts of the NIE, yes? But does Tenet take orders from Bush and Cheney?
I pretty seriously doubt Bill Clinton issued an Executive Order that made it impossible for himself and future Presidents to declassify things.
So the question is, can Cheney do it "on his own authority", can he "request" Tenet to do it with the subtle hint that what will come next is a phone call straight from the top, or can he get Bush to declassify it?
And does it really matter? Unless Bush and Tenet want to ax Cheney, they will back him anyway.
Posted by: TM | February 10, 2006 at 01:13 PM
Again, I remind you that Waas' story is made up of whole cloth. Another Waas Nicht, as it were.Here is the statement issued today:
Statement from Bill Jeffress, Attorney for Mr. Libby
There is no truth at all to the story that Mr. Libby's lawyers have advised the Court or the Special Counsel that he will raise a defense based on authorization by superiors. Indeed, there has never been any conference call between Mr. Libby's defense lawyers and Judge Walton. We do not know who reporters are relying on as sources for this story, but any such persons are neither knowledgeable nor authorized to speak for Mr. Libby's defense team.
Posted by: clarice | February 10, 2006 at 01:16 PM
Technically, the only way a document may be declassified is for the government entity that classified it in the first place to declassify it. This makes sense, in that only those with the expertise in a particular area to make the original determination to classify it, would have the expertise to determine the impact of declassifying it. You can't have the State Department deciding to declassify a DoD document, or vice versa.
But, in practice, if the President, or the Vice President (under delegated authority from the President) requests the classifying agency to declassify something, they will declassify it. They may make a strong argument why it should not be declassified, but they will declassify it. It is not a good career move to say, "With all due respect, screw you, Mr. President!"
Posted by: Lew Clark | February 10, 2006 at 01:20 PM
Larwyn
Good catch!
Posted by: topsecretk9 | February 10, 2006 at 01:21 PM
Tom,
Posted by: Rick Ballard | February 10, 2006 at 01:22 PM
We do not know who reporters are relying on as sources for this story, but any such persons are neither knowledgeable nor authorized to speak for Mr. Libby's defense team.
Good question, who are your sources Meezter Waas?
Posted by: topsecretk9 | February 10, 2006 at 01:23 PM
Clarice
Do you have a link for that?
Posted by: emptywheel | February 10, 2006 at 01:33 PM
Contact Barbara Comstock's (Libby's press contact)office..They released it. If you have difficulty reaching her, email me your addy, and I'll ask her to send it to you.
Posted by: clarice | February 10, 2006 at 01:37 PM
I'd go further, if I were you, and question whether Waas broke anything new yesterday (though he definitely confirmed it will corrborating sources).
I appreciate the reminder - I gave the article a pass yesterday because it was deja vu all over again. There were only three sites that might have had that, (this not being one of them), but my time management has been dismal.
But I'm on the comeback trail!
Posted by: TM | February 10, 2006 at 01:39 PM
emptywheel. Here is her contact information:
http://www.blankromegovernmentrelations.com/offices/washington.html
Posted by: clarice | February 10, 2006 at 01:40 PM
Thanks clarice
I just reread the Waas story. Waas makes neither a mention of a meeting between defense and Walton, nor does he say Libby's lawyers have advised Fitzgerald of this.
Jeffress' response must be directed at a different article.
Posted by: emptywheel | February 10, 2006 at 01:45 PM
Well was Libby authorized to reveal actual classified information or simply discuss things in the NIA which is itself classified? For example, the NIA says that our best intellignece estimate is that Iraq will have nuclear weapons in X years. Would it be true that Libby could not tell a reporter of that assessment? Or is it that he could say it but not source it directly to the NIA or that he could say it but not provide details about that assessment.
I would expect that even though the NIA was classified that on some level it could be discussed. I mean the charge is out in all the papers based on leaks that Bush and Cheney exagerated/lied about the intelligence and are we to believe that they could not respond by saying no the intelligence in fact supported our statements.
Posted by: skinnydog | February 10, 2006 at 01:54 PM
A couple things:
With respect to Tom's point: "Let's note that there might be some haze around the phrase "direct evidence" - if, for example, Cheney testified that he told Libby that Ms. Plame was covert, but nothing to that effect shows up in Libby's notes or subsequent conversations, does Fitzgerald have "direct evidence" of Libby's knowledge, or not?" --
There is almost never direct evidence of knowledge or belief. State of mind is always the hardest thing to prove in court. "Direct evidence" in this case would likely be exactly what Tom speculates it would be: an affirmative, unequivocal statement by Libby that he knew she was covert, or notes in his own handwriting like "Plame --> covert CIA op" -- neither of which Fitz likely has.
Additionally, the "denial" by Libby's defense team only pertains to whether Libby will raise a defense based on orders from his superiors, and specifically does not deny that he previously testified that he received such orders from his superiors. The court filings, plus this non-denial denial, make it pretty clear that Cheney did tell Libby to release some classified info to rebut Wilson et al.'s charges (what info, exactly, is unclear).
Posted by: Wonderland | February 10, 2006 at 01:57 PM
emptywheel, Waas makes repeated assertions that his sources are familiar with Libby's defense plans and that could only be true if someone on the team had told him or the information was related to Judge Walton. Here's one of many example:
Beyond what was stated in the court paper, say people with firsthand knowledge of the matter, Libby also indicated what he will offer as a broad defense during his upcoming criminal trial: that Vice President Cheney and other senior Bush administration officials had earlier encouraged and authorized him to share classified information with journalists to build public support for going to war. Later, after the war began in 2003, Cheney authorized Libby to release additional classified information, including details of the NIE, to defend the administration's use of prewar intelligence in making the case for war.
Posted by: clarice | February 10, 2006 at 01:59 PM
Closing the italics door
Posted by: clarice | February 10, 2006 at 02:00 PM
i>test
Posted by: clarice | February 10, 2006 at 02:01 PM
My last contribution to the Plame threads
Posted by: Appalled Moderate | February 10, 2006 at 02:04 PM
Waas may be making stuff up, but Libby's lawyers' non-denial denial is too cute by half:
"There is no truth at all to the story that Mr. Libby's lawyers have advised the Court or the Special Counsel that he will raise a defense based on authorization by superiors. Indeed, there has never been any conference call between Mr. Libby's defense lawyers and Judge Walton." [emphasis added]
The purported news is that any disclosure of information by Libby was authorized (and thus was no crime, nor a material basis for pursuing charges arising from investigation of the non-crime) - - not that any such authorization will be a defense or was discussed with the judge.
Some lawyers...they think everyone else is dumb or something. I had hoped Libby's lawyers were smarter than this...
Posted by: Trained Auditor | February 10, 2006 at 02:18 PM
Who said anything about conference calls? And look closely at what Jeffress does and does not actually deny. It's weird.
Posted by: Jeff | February 10, 2006 at 02:18 PM
Did Judy Miller have clearance for some classified information in her capacity as a reporter on the WMD beat? I am pretty sure that was discussed in some news reports around the time of her testimony to Fitzgerald.
Posted by: Florence Schmieg | February 10, 2006 at 02:21 PM
And look closely at what Jeff does and does not actually deny. It's weird.
You could have written that sentence about yourself, so I did it for you. You complain about neo-cons, righties, whatever the term is of the day, parsing words. Yet, we find you enjoy the same pastime. Weird, indeed.
Posted by: Sue | February 10, 2006 at 02:29 PM
AM You have been a worthy adversary.
Posted by: maryrose | February 10, 2006 at 02:32 PM
Florence, In his report of her testimony, I recall her saying that while she was embedded in Iraq she had a limited DoD clearance to receive classified information.
Posted by: clarice | February 10, 2006 at 02:35 PM
---Did Judy Miller have clearance for some classified information in her capacity as a reporter on the WMD beat?---
It did make everyone mad at the time, there is clarification in two editor&publisher articles (need subscription and I couldn't find freebies)
Posted by: topsecretk9 | February 10, 2006 at 02:36 PM
Short answer, I *think* she did.
Posted by: topsecretk9 | February 10, 2006 at 02:37 PM
Is it just me or does this leak look like a tactical position. Smells like Fitz is using it to try to convince Libby to flip, or Libby is using it to suggest to Fitz that he might flip.
I can't imagine there is much of a case there, or why this leak should come out now, but it seems tactical.
Posted by: nittypig | February 10, 2006 at 02:40 PM
Nitty
I don't think this was a leak, but a very artfully wording of old and available info in such a way that makes it appear new and breathless (ie - spin and/or paycheck fodder)
Posted by: topsecretk9 | February 10, 2006 at 02:45 PM
jerry is simply wrong.
cathy :-)
That's not the latest one. Executive order 12958 is the latest one, it was March 25, 2003, and one of the few changes from previous orders is that now the vice president is a designated de-classifyer.Posted by: cathyf | February 10, 2006 at 02:46 PM
Same War, different battlefront:
Clintonistas going after Weldon's seat to stop ABLE
DANGER's truths about the
Clinton's Admin getting out
From AbleDangerBlog today:
snip
....Bryan Lentz, 41, a Swarthmore attorney who volunteered for combat in Iraq, agreed to pull out of the race for the seat of U.S. Rep. Curt Weldon, and run instead for the state House, against Thomas P. Gannon, a 28-year Republican veteran.
Joseph A. Sestak Jr., 54, a recently retired Navy vice admiral who worked in the National Security Council in the Clinton administration, has the inside track to take on Weldon in November.
Paul Scoles, who ran against Weldon in 2004, also quit the race this week and endorsed Sestak. Anyone who has been involved in local politics knows getting two candidates to drop out in one week almost never happens. Someone is worried where this Able Danger story is headed.
A commenter suggests contributing to Curt Weldon's campaign -if you want the Able Danger story to come out. If Weldon loses in November - chances are it will be dropped.
I agree with that.
Rep Curt Weldon
Click here: Able Danger Blog
AbleDangerBlog
That the CLINTONISTAS are beside themselves to
stop the Able Danger story is no surprise.
Nancy Soderberg showed up on Tucker Carlson last night
after long hiatus from cameras after her stunning remark
to Jon Stewart during her book tour.
When Stewart remarked that after the success of the 1st
election in Iraq - "What if Bush is right! My world view (paraphase) would be shattered"
Soderberg responded" We still have Iran and North Korea".
Last night Soderberg told us that Clinton had done a
better job on terrorism than Bush is doing!!!!
So they are sending in the low level troops and Albright's
buddy Wendy also showed up again after long hiatus, on
either CNN or MSNBC.
Their A list is busy with convincing Americans that
the NSA & CIA jails/renditions leaks were by "whistleblowers" and that Plame was covert and that
Bush lied about WMD.
Hope many will support Curt Weldon - we need him
in Congress.
Posted by: larwyn | February 10, 2006 at 02:48 PM
Sue - What in the hell are you talking about?
Posted by: Jeff | February 10, 2006 at 02:48 PM
Jeff,
I think I was fairly clear in saying you like to parse words also. Surprised me since you scold us for looking for the hidden meanings...the double talk...the non-denial, denials, in...oh...let's just use Russert's statements as an example.
Posted by: Sue | February 10, 2006 at 02:57 PM
Are you writing of EO 13292, Cathy? It has the right date and did amend Clinton's EO in the manner you describe.
A list of pertinent EOs can be found here.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | February 10, 2006 at 02:59 PM
Sue - What? I may contest your particular interpretation of some statement by someone involved, but that is very different from complaining or scolding or whatever about paying close attention to what they say, or criticizing the general practice of being alert to non-denial denials and so on. I defy you to find anywhere that I have made such a general complaint. Similarly, I defy you to find one place where I have scolded y'all for looking for non-denial denials, doubletalk, hidden meanings in the words of Russert in particular. On the contrary, I have commented here on more than one occasion that Russert should absolutely make a clear and unambiguous statement about what he knew about Plame when and what he told Libby, in contrast to the misleading shiftiness of NBC News' infamous statement about his testimony. (I'm not going to go find the links to all my comments, but they're there.) Likewise, I have said that Kristof should come clean on what he knew about Plame when. I'd say instead that I've gotten little or even no support from rightie commenters here in my effort to get Cliff May to come clean on what he knew when about Plame and what his role in the investigation has been. TM has been supportive, though he has yet to renew his call after Dickerson did the honorable thing and went into considerable detail on his own role.
I do like to parse words, because many of the leading figures in the case are clearly good at being misleading. I have simply never scolded or even complained about you or anyone else doing so; but of course that doesn't mean I have to think every cockamamie interpretation you come up with is right.
Posted by: Jeff | February 10, 2006 at 03:20 PM
Jeff,
At least one of the news stories claimed yesterday that there had been a conference call between the prosecutor, the judge and Libby's bunch. I looked for the story but couldn't find it.
But I'm sure Libby's lawyer is not referring to nothing when he denies the call occurred.
Posted by: Barney Frank | February 10, 2006 at 03:21 PM
Not to let pesky details get in the way, but regardless of whether Libby was authorized to release details on the soon-to-be-declassified version of the NIE to Miller on July 8th, Miller's account of her testimony tends to indicate that (at least according to her notes) he generally declined to actually do so.
(It may be worth noting that an unclassified version of the NIE had already been released in October 2002)
In any case, according to Miller's account of her testimony (regarding the July 8th meeting):
"An unclassified version of that estimate had been made public before my interviews with Mr. Libby. I told Mr. Fitzgerald that I had pressed Mr. Libby to discuss additional information that was in the more detailed, classified version of the estimate. I said I had told Mr. Libby that if The Times was going to do an article, the newspaper needed more than a recap of the administration's weapons arguments. According to my interview notes, though, it appears that Mr. Libby said little more than that the assessments of the classified estimate were even stronger than those in the unclassified version."
Posted by: Dumbledore | February 10, 2006 at 03:37 PM
Dumbledore - A couple of considerations: 1. Libby had to be very careful with the classified NIE, since it contained some information undermining his claim to Miller that the assessments of the classified estimate were even stronger than those in the unclassified version. 2. Miller may have thought she was protecting Libby by downplaying the extent to which he revealed classified information, and Cheney's role in approving Libby's talk with her (which we know Fitzgerald asked her about), when in fact playing them up would have provided corroboration of Libby's testimony. 3. It's true that Fitzgerald's affidavit doesn't specify whether the NIE info was classified, but would Libby need authorization to leak unclassified information to Miller? And would Fitzgerald have any reason to include such information in a paragraph addressing Rule 404(b) information?
Posted by: Jeff | February 10, 2006 at 03:58 PM
Jeff, so in effect your argument is that Miller perjured herself in front of the GJ by lying about the level classified information Libby passed on to her?
Posted by: skinnydog | February 10, 2006 at 04:17 PM
Are you guys saying Fitzgerald is/was investigating the leaking of NIE information, not the leaking of a covert operative? I personally don't think Fitz is investigating anything that doesn't support the push back of a whistleblower. A distinction I think needs to be revisited by Mr. Fitz.
Posted by: Sue | February 10, 2006 at 04:28 PM
Waas sources are:
"according to attorneys familiar with the matter, and to court records."
How did he get all the way to the North defense from anonymous lawyers as sources and court correspondence? Seems a monster truck rally kind of leap?
Posted by: JJ | February 10, 2006 at 04:49 PM
I personally would like to know if Fitz investigation is ongoing ,{his grand jury met this week} when he's going to give Karl Rove the all clear. Obviously he isn't getting anything else out of Libby and I haven't heard of any important or notable people being brought before the grand jury. We have a timetable for Libby but what about the rest of his case? How long can he wait for that next dog to bark? This is over 2 years now and costing a fortune.
Posted by: maryrose | February 10, 2006 at 04:55 PM
Exactly. The only court record is the affidavit. And if he thinks it says what he reported, he needs remedial reading lessons.
And the only lawyers who'd know--in the absence of any discussion with Fitz and the Judge which Libby denied, what lawyers?
What the affidavit refers to is not the dissemination of classified information to Miller, but rather what he could discuss with her and that he felt that more important a part of the briefing than anything they said about Plame which escaped his recollection.
Posted by: clarice | February 10, 2006 at 04:57 PM
Joe digenova says any i info Libby shared ok if he got permission from Cheney or superiors, also Ok. Moveon.org new add compares Nixon and Bush saying President Bush doing iilegal things, Nixon really a stretch on their part.
Posted by: maryrose | February 10, 2006 at 05:57 PM
TM -
I temporarily resuscitated my long defunct blog to respond to this item without burdening your bandwidth and my fellow commenters. For what it's worth, a slightly different take on the value of anonymous sourcing.
Posted by: JM Hanes | February 10, 2006 at 09:28 PM
Well, hereare about 10 lessons for Fitz! 1- This how a "meme" starts, so you see? The meme isn't necessarily true. 2-And the meme starters are the backbone of your case, so you see? Not necessarily a wise call.
Posted by: topsecretk9 | February 10, 2006 at 10:04 PM
Well done, JM Hanes.
What will I be satisfied with? Hard to say but I'd start with these:
Evidence of Plame's status at the CIA.
Novak & Woodruff's source/s
Defense questions to Mitchell, Kristoff, Pincus, Woodruff, Wilson, Plame, Novak and Woodruff's source.
Posted by: danking70 | February 10, 2006 at 10:14 PM
and oh SHOCK, guess whose the first to come out with a editorial? Corn's Nation "Dick Cheney is not above the law"...does the Nation know the law? This is pathological.
Posted by: topsecretk9 | February 10, 2006 at 10:17 PM
whose=who's
Posted by: topsecretk9 | February 10, 2006 at 10:18 PM
who has? ...stopping now
Posted by: topsecretk9 | February 10, 2006 at 10:19 PM
"Yellow journalism" has always been around. It has affected political races and I never did like that. People should be elected or rejected on the truth, not what the loudest yeller hiding behind first amendment rights can make up. But now, have we turned an even darker corner? Can people be imprisoned based on the best "made up" story printed, supported by anonymous sources?
Posted by: Lew Clark | February 10, 2006 at 10:31 PM
Jeff, you're right that Fitzgerald's affidavit mentions the NEI information in a context that would logically imply that it is referring to classified information from the NEI. (Or, at least, information from the classified NEI, which is not exactly the same thing). But that doesn't necessarily mean that the implication is warranted.
It'd be ironic if Libby needlessly entangled the subject of releasing classified information to Miller in his own testimony.
But it does seem like one of two things must be true:
1) Libby did not explicitly testify to having disclosed classified information to Miller (nor Miller to having received it).
2) Fitzgerald concluded that Libby had (or believed he had) proper authoriziation to disclose such information.
Since Libby can only have been provided proper authoriziation by someone who had the authority to declassify the material (and who was effectively doing so in authorizing its release), neither of these two scenarios seems particularly pernicious.
Well, I suppose a third option would be that Fitz just thought _six_ indictments would just be too darn many...
Posted by: Dumbledore | February 10, 2006 at 10:57 PM
JM - Terrific post.
"I temporarily resuscitated my long defunct blog to respond to this item"
Don't you know what is said about
keeping your talent under a bushel?
Posted by: larwyn | February 10, 2006 at 10:57 PM
Larwyn;
Come over the Friday on Ice thread and help us write our story.
Posted by: maryrose | February 10, 2006 at 11:08 PM
JMHanes;
Excellent post with some very thought provoking ideas and observations!
Posted by: maryrose | February 10, 2006 at 11:14 PM
Thanks for commenting. I only wish I could write fast enough (or maybe think fast enough!) to keep up the pace set by folks like Tom. My admiration for those who can went up exponentially after I tried it myself. Posting your own material, keeping it fresh & interesting on a daily basis represents a quantum leap from commenting on other people's topics, as here, which is easy (or hard) enough. I really don't know how Tom does it, and keeps on doing it.
Science should probably set aside a special niche for blogger-brains. They seem to have a special talent for finding, reading, absorbing, sorting, prioritizing, & connecting incredible amounts of information -- and then writing about it, which is another talent in its own right.
Posted by: JM Hanes | February 11, 2006 at 02:16 PM
Read again. A designated classifier.
Posted by: KM | February 11, 2006 at 03:23 PM
Before this Waas story slides off the map, I want to speculate on one indication as a result of it:
That the Plame Thing may have turned a significant corner with the media and blue bloggers.
Ergo, a dozen blue blogs hollered "AH HA LOOK" immediately after the story appeared. With little analysis, just a hollering point. Then the MSM did the Me-Too, as per JOM.
Then, take into account that Emptywheel got the same material one week earlier – and in better detail despite, as Emptywheel notes at the end of the post, without much "logic or grammar" in his document-dumping post.
So, this "AH HA LOOK" lag is now an indication that many on the left have lost the thread (no puns) of the Plame story.
But a bigger and better conclusion may be that any reporting done FROM NOW ON by the media that attempts to whack the White House on Plame without any qualifiers is simple advocacy journalism.
If you're going to hype the story without any expert context – and expert context of depth and not of length -- you are going to show either that you are leaning heavily politically or that you're...clowning around?
Posted by: JJ | February 13, 2006 at 12:56 PM
JJ, on e of Libby's lawyers worked for North. That's not much of a stretch!
Posted by: ed | February 13, 2006 at 01:33 PM
If you look at the Fitz presser, he says there is nothing wrong with the officials exchanging this information and he wasn't charging Cheney with wrongdoing--this after knowing what Libby testified to. Could the Waas article be stupider? Well, the Quail hunt kerfuffle shows there is even stupider press nonsense, doesn't it?
Posted by: clarice | February 13, 2006 at 05:00 PM
Uh, right. Let's compare direct and indirect objects.
Patrick Fitzgerald, 28 Oct. 2005:
Murray Waas, 9 Feb. 2006:
And is it really necessary to point out that Fitzgerald said he wasn't making allegations about, and indeed wouldn't talk about, anyone not charged in the indictment?
Clearly a stupid man, that Murray Waas.
Posted by: KM | February 13, 2006 at 10:37 PM