The WaPo makes news and reports it today in the Plame investigation. Tucked away at the bottom of a story about a gag order in the case is this:
In a related development, The Post yesterday was subpoenaed by Libby's defense team to produce records related to the case that the newspaper had not turned over to Fitzgerald. Eric Lieberman, a counsel at The Post, said the newspaper would comply by providing Libby with a complete copy of a memorandum by Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward from his interview with Libby on June 27, 2003.
Woodward has said Libby spoke in the interview about the same intelligence report he discussed with other journalists. "This action does not pose legal or journalistic concerns to The Post or Mr. Woodward," Lieberman said.
This actually raises more questions than it answers. First, the Washington Post was not among the original group of news organizations cited as receiving subpoenas. Secondly, there does not seem to be any record of the WaPo subpoenas on PACER, although filings related to the others can be found.
A likely answer - the PACER filings, as Jeralyn noted, relate to the organizations that are *contesting* their subpoenas; the WaPo seems to be in a negotiating mode. But wouldn't the defense want more than Woodward's notes about his interview with Libby?
I can think of two reasons for the WaPo to be cooperating. First, as a strategic matter the NY Times did not help the journalistic community with their losing defense in the Judy Miller case. The Times legacy there is a series of court rulings that will make it harder for the next journalist to fight a subpoena. The WaPo may be trying to play it smart by negotiating, giving in gracefully, and avoiding the creation of ghastly new legal precedents.
Secondly, the Wapo knows some things the rest of us here among the great unwashed do not. Walter Pincus has said that he thinks the talk of a crime is overdone, and that the motive of the person who leaked to him was not to punish Joe Wilson, but to get the press to ignore him (Hmm, for Wilson that might be the ultimate punishment - what a diabolical genius that Karl Rove is!).
Secondly, Bob Woodward (and presumably his editor) knows who it is that leaked to him in mid-June - Richard Armitage of the State Dept is a likely candidate. Woodward has also been critical of the Fitzgerald investigation, and has reported that the CIA did not find any great damage to have resulted from the Plame leak.
Add it up, and the WaPo may not see a reason to fight.
MORE: Good job by someone I have not read before; Bob Somerby finds a plaintive Kevin Drum wondering why the press is leaving out the bits of the Fitzgerald filing exonerating Bush.
Since the Bush Admin is threatening to take the NY Times ands the WaPo to court over the NSA leak and the CIA prison leak respectively, I suspect they have extra incentive to tip one way.
TM
I was surprised when I read that short blurb of Kevin Drum asking about the missed parts exonerating Bush. He usually falls in line with the left, just a little better written and not as shrill.
Posted by: sad | April 14, 2006 at 03:33 PM
All good. But if Fitz had asked for these notes Libby wouldn't have had to subpoena them, and I think (a) it means Fitz is still studiously avoiding investigating anything exculpatory and (b) no one knew about this so I give the WaPo kudos for transparency.
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 03:37 PM
TM
Maybe *contesting*, but not necessarily *contesting*. The seven cases have in common a Motion to Extend Deadline for Production -or- failing production, delivering a Motion to Quash or Modify.
It may be that all seven will file Motions to Quash, or between the seven, a mixture of Motions to Quash and Motions to Modify. Or, some or all may produce the material specified in the subpoena, that is not contesting the subpoena at all.
The current order to Russert reads as follows:
Posted by: cboldt | April 14, 2006 at 04:24 PM
Check out this article using an Onion article to bash Bush.
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/
Maybe it was humor at Hurrah and I was just too stupid to get it.
Posted by: sad | April 14, 2006 at 05:09 PM
Clarice
"(b) no one knew about this so I give the WaPo kudos for transparency"
Or the kind of "modified, limited, hangout" all involved appear to be seeking.
Posted by: JM Hanes | April 14, 2006 at 05:20 PM
Sad, the trend for the last couple of months had been "even the onion blah blah blah, but who can even tell if it's fake anymore."
They've pretty much thrown the caveat out the window. So it’s not really humor, it's more like a resigned sigh. But yes, they do realize it's the Onion and what that entails.
Posted by: ed | April 14, 2006 at 05:25 PM
JM
It is the friday of a holiday weekend.
Posted by: sad | April 14, 2006 at 05:25 PM
Here is a posting that has folks going wild over Libby "leaking a still classified" report on Wilson's 1999 trip to Niger.
http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/14/cheney-ordered-libby-to-leak-classified-information/
Posted by: sad | April 14, 2006 at 07:00 PM
Sad
What's weird about that? Wilson's so-called report directly contradicts Wilson's statements to Kristof..so in essence the report they are freaking about would be the report that shows they're hero is a liar.
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 14, 2006 at 07:09 PM
they're = their
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 14, 2006 at 07:09 PM
Strata ... an interesting point...
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 14, 2006 at 07:15 PM
top
They are all in a stew because Jane is reporting that Wilson told her the report is still classified and this is seen as how to get Libby. No one is wondering about Wilson's legal jeopardy for discussing it and apparently Jane didn't ask him during the interview.
Posted by: sad | April 14, 2006 at 07:16 PM
Sad
I was about to say the same thing.
Fitz may want to make another phone call to Wilson and tell him to shut the hector up.
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 14, 2006 at 07:22 PM
Sad
Wilson seems to know alot about classified documents - and who has them. Recall at the Florida speech he was detailing the contents of Secretary Rice's personal file.
Wonder why Jane didn't ask Wilson how he knew it was still classified and isn't that - that it is still classified-- classified itself?
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 14, 2006 at 07:29 PM
Just posted my K-3 TAG midterm on Libby's team replies - missed fact that 3 new threads were up.
Smiling at the figurative example of a group sharing their knowledge
to tackle a problem.
JOMers do make lemonade!
Cecil, no offense taken on "recidivist".
"-the keystroke sequences are just too odd." especially for a "Dyslexic Typist"- definite faulty connection between my mind and my fingers!
Saved all tips and links - will do my homework. I promise.
Bless all of you!
Now to catch up on 3 threads....
Posted by: larwyn | April 14, 2006 at 07:55 PM
Cboldt hypothesized:
"It may be that all seven will file Motions to Quash, or between the seven, a mixture of Motions to Quash and Motions to Modify."
It also may be that they are awaiting a ruling on the constitutional question.
Posted by: Chants | April 14, 2006 at 08:07 PM
tops
No one ever asks those questions. The bloggers he talks to don't nor do the NYT, WAPO, etc... nor any of the "news shows."
It just seems so logical as to be the next question asked.
Posted by: sad | April 14, 2006 at 08:07 PM
sad
"It just seems so logical as to be the next question asked."
Not if you aren't sure you're going to like the answer.
Posted by: JM Hanes | April 14, 2006 at 08:10 PM
But there are some things so compelling to know that regardless of the likelihood of receiving an unwanted answer, just finally knowing that answer makes it all worthwhile.
Posted by: sad | April 14, 2006 at 08:17 PM
***Smiling at the ***LITERAL*** example***
Just glad my grandson doesn't see these posts!
Posted by: larwyn | April 14, 2006 at 08:22 PM
Chants
They have to follow the order, and as far as motions to quash or modify go, Judge Walton has ordered the movants (presstitutes) to, by April 18, "It is further ordered that the movants shall file a consolidated motion to quash or modify"
That means all of them will "speak with one voice," similar to the March 23, 2005 brief by 36 News organizations that no outing crime was committed. ;-)
They may make the same argument that Libby did, that Fitz lacks authority to prosecute the case. We should know within a week.
Posted by: cboldt | April 14, 2006 at 08:53 PM
For your entertainment:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041406A.shtml
Posted by: sad | April 14, 2006 at 08:53 PM
Mark Levin offers a suggestion to clarify the question of Plam'es status (we all know, i thin, that "classified" is a non-existent category)--Put Plame on the stand and question her:
"Since Patrick Fitzgerald refuses to inform the Libby defense team, the Court, or the country whether Valerie Plame was, in fact, an undercover CIA operative, here's a suggestion to Libby's legal team: Seek the deposition of Valerie Plame, force Fitzgerald's hand (he will oppose it as irrelevant to his case), and explain to the Court that the deposition relates directly to Fitzgerald's October 28, 2005 public statement to, among others, potential jurors when he brought the charges. Fitzgerald said, in part:
... Before I talk about those charges and what the indictment alleges, I'd like to put the investigation into a little context.
Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community. (more)[/quote]http://levin.nationalreview.com/archives/094945.asp
Heh!
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 09:01 PM
Clarice
You aren't going to discuss context are you? I thought Fitz forbid context. tee hee
Posted by: sad | April 14, 2006 at 09:14 PM
I was intrigued by JL's sources, sad..LOL
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 09:20 PM
clarice:
Absolutely right! If Fitz is going to make irresponsible statements at the presser he has to accept the consequences of those statements. He who lives by the sword must die by the sword.
Posted by: maryrose | April 14, 2006 at 09:20 PM
Hey larwyn,
Don't feel bad. I couldn't hit a bull in the ass with a hand full of HTML.
You're passing your midterms while I'm still in short pants and a propeller beanie.
Posted by: Barney Frank | April 14, 2006 at 09:25 PM
Believe me, maryrose, Fitz weill be eating that presser for as long as this trial continues.
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 09:27 PM
because Jane is reporting that Wilson told her
WHAT!!!???? Wilson is talking to Jane now? Back off, chickie, he was almost mine!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: MayBee | April 14, 2006 at 09:31 PM
You could have posted a warning to swallow before reading, MayBee!!!
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 09:40 PM
y'all are killing me!!!
Posted by: sad | April 14, 2006 at 09:45 PM
Maybee,
And I was rootin' for ya to be the one. At least I know you would ask the questions we all want the answers to.
LOL!!!!
Posted by: Sue | April 14, 2006 at 09:47 PM
Yeah, Jane doesn't think Fitz was a bad guy to throw the Blind Shiek in jail, and she also doesn't think the first world trade center bombings were an act of war by Iraq. So I guess she wouldn't have any credibility with this crowd.
Posted by: please | April 14, 2006 at 10:03 PM
At Tradesports, betting that Libby will be convicted on even a single count hit an all time low of $34.
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 10:07 PM
I couldn't hit a bull in the ass with a hand full of HTML.
See, Larwyn -- you keep me giggling! Thanks Barney that great.
To All -- Did Maybee comment on this thread? She't the bee's knees but I think it's "Sad" that posted today.
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 14, 2006 at 10:11 PM
6:31 p.m.--just above.ts.
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 10:14 PM
Or, let me add, base her analysis on tradesports (BTW, could that reflect a pardon. Hello?) After all if Shrub can standsby Rummy - he'll stand by anyone.
Posted by: please | April 14, 2006 at 10:17 PM
Tradesports references are not analysis but an indication of how betters are trending in the real world.It seems to me looking at the chart that as Libby finally gets his shot in court, the betters who once were betting in the $75 range,share my opinion, that this case is tanking .
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 10:20 PM
*ahem, bettOrs**
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 10:21 PM
If you missed my post on the other thread I think there is more to the story of WaPo cooperating than meets the eye. They are starting to realize that to start making a profit again (pressured by - OMG shareholders in an evil corporate structure - LOL) and to do that they have to wage a PR campaign to make it look like they are more balanced.
Posted by: Specter | April 14, 2006 at 10:22 PM
OOOPPPS, my way bad....thanks Clarice.
Shoot, wished I'd caught that...MayBee is the bomb and the bee's knees.
BTW -- LARWYN - you go granny girlfriend! I love that you are HTMelling your way through blogs and don't you even stop
Please -
"Jane doesn't think"
Even out of contexts, it still kinda holds up.
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 14, 2006 at 10:23 PM
Yeah, because Shrub will pardon him before it gets to trial. Wasn't Victoria Toesning equally wingnut hubby spouting this next week. And oh, btw? ....
"WASHINGTON, April 13 — The judge in the C.I.A. leak case against Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff threatened Thursday to issue an order barring the defense and prosecution from speaking publicly about the proceedings.
The judge, Reggie B. Walton of Federal District Court, acted after a prosecutor's court filing was provided to reporters on Tuesday evening before it was officially filed on Wednesday.
Judge Walton reminded lawyers in a written order that he "would not tolerate this case being tried in the media." He directed each side to submit written responses by next Friday explaining why he should not issue an order restricting public statements about the case."
Thanks for pissing off the judge.
Posted by: please | April 14, 2006 at 10:25 PM
please;
Do you understand the concept of loyalty? President Bush doesn't care what these generals and mainstream press think he's going to keep his team together. They hate him for it and he continues to marginalize them;Eventually they and the dems just look silly. Just like Harry Reid with his little smirk looks silly and Stupid. My hope is that he goes the way of Tom Daschle in his next senate race.
Posted by: maryrose | April 14, 2006 at 10:25 PM
I will take six generals over NG shirking Shrub and when has he been right Rummy. Any day of the week.
Loyalty to Bush should not be valued over competence and skill. In this case especially, it is way too important. But then again - to you guys, the war is going just fine.
Posted by: please | April 14, 2006 at 10:28 PM
Remember Rummy used to be known as the Stud Muffin! He even got a cover on Time magazine. He was the toast of the town. How soon we forget;a nation of amnesiacs. Since when do has been generals get a say so in a presidential appointment? Hello! They don't.
Posted by: maryrose | April 14, 2006 at 10:30 PM
Please
You may want to rethink your little "Yeah, and this too" tirade. Nevermiind...
but this
Yeah, because Shrub will pardon him before it gets to trial.
Do you really believe a pardon can be issued before a person is "convicted" -- One more time, wouldn't a "pre-pardon" sorta say, "Yes he is guilty" to the Gov't trying to prosecute to that conclusion? Again, nevermind.
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 14, 2006 at 10:31 PM
Thanks, please, I hadn't heard that puerile crap in a whole day and needed someone to come here and dump that mindless crap for the one millionth time. (Has Mowlett'sAss website gone dark, or you just out for some fresh air?)
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 10:33 PM
Our leader is good
Our leader is great
We surrender our will
As of this date.
Why think for myself when I can let my bettors do it for me?
Posted by: homer | April 14, 2006 at 10:33 PM
Ah, winged swarms of barmies..
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 10:34 PM
Clarice
probably one, using creative "user names"
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 14, 2006 at 10:35 PM
Probably..then just barmy..
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 10:37 PM
Do you really believe a pardon can be issued before a person is "convicted" . . .
Actually, I think it can. (But IANAL.)
Posted by: Cecil Turner | April 14, 2006 at 10:38 PM
please - Please enlighten us further about the economy too. And give us the statistics on how badly the war is going. But beware - if you quote a paper like the NYT, WaPO, Boston Globe, LA Times, Newsweak, or similar you will be laughed outta the place.
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Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 10:52 PM
Thanks for the support everyone. :-) *sniffle*
I actually would love it if even Jeff could get an interview with Wilson. His questions looked good to me-- Jeff, you should try.
I guess I'm not surprised the WaPo has been a little cooperative. They shussed away the calls for an investigation in the first place, saying no crime had been committed. The NYTs were the ones braying for it, and now are the ones acting like its a witch hunt.
Posted by: MayBee | April 14, 2006 at 10:52 PM
LOL clarice....now soylent needs to start from there...
Posted by: Specter | April 14, 2006 at 10:55 PM
Where the heck is he? It's time for Friday Night Live!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 10:55 PM
BTW - Rasmussen had Bush at 45% today...
Posted by: Specter | April 14, 2006 at 10:56 PM
I saw that--but not in any newspaper--if you get my drift..He has a secret plan:Get the media to give Kerry and Hillary ,Harry and Nancy all the air time they want.
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 10:59 PM
So OT, but SOO not on Drudge
April 6, 2006 - Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney has apologized to the House for her confrontation with a Capitol Police officer last week.
...And a grand jury has subpoenaed two Capitol Hill aides who saw what happened.
A statement from the two aides, one works for a Republican Congressman and the other for a Democrat, was read into the House record Thursday morning.
I did not know this. link
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 14, 2006 at 11:04 PM
Yeah,
LOL Clarice,
Please tell us again how Sadam was responsible for the first WTC bombing?
I need a good laugh.
Posted by: homer | April 14, 2006 at 11:04 PM
Homer
Are you a firegogger sent on assignment from Nurse Ratchet herself?
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 14, 2006 at 11:11 PM
Schumer should be able to give you the details:
[quote]SCHUMER ASKS FBI TO ADD '93 WTC BOMBING FUGITIVE LAST SEEN IN BAGHDAD TO SEARCH LIST
Iraqis offered to hand over fugitive terrorist Abdul Rahman Yasin – indicted for his role in the 1993 World Trade Center attacks – to US in February in return for military concessions
Schumer: "Unique chance to bring this man to justice"
US Senator Charles E. Schumer today asked the FBI to make searching for Abdul Rahman Yasin a top priority for the American forces now combing Iraq for key enemy combatants. Yasin is a fugitive on the FBI's most-wanted list who allegedly helped create the bomb used at the World Trade Center in 1993 that killed six and injured over 1,000 people.
"While we're looking for other fugitives, we should look for Yasin as well. We may have a unique chance to bring this man to justice," Schumer said. Schumer wrote a letter to FBI director Robert Mueller today asking him to prioritize finding Yasin.[/quote]http://www.senate.gov/~schumer/SchumerWebsite/pressroom/press_releases/PR01627.html
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 11:11 PM
Love the list, clarice! You seem to have a bit of a fan club today, no?
Leopold's article was interesting and obviously Grossman-laden. He's also the one that supposedly leads the big Turkish arms sales ring that Plame and Edmunds knew about. He's a very busy man in conspiracy world.
Posted by: MayBee | April 14, 2006 at 11:13 PM
Looks like what he did was find the old Post article and reprint the allegations as though his sources had told him that that is what Grossman testified to before the grand jury.
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 11:14 PM
All,
Tks for all encouragement. Must report that I failed my own K to 3 TAG midterm. I used the already hot link as the printing so it did not post as link to the Robert Godwin post:
But YowWow - we weren't really being visited by...
Ah, winged swarms of barmies..
clarice
on that thread......
hope that some of the winged will read this:
Great Leaping Leftist, My Corrupt and Degenerate Soul!
For what I really wanted back then was for my conscience to be asleep, and the last thing I wanted was to be around someone with an awakened objective conscience. That would have bummed me out. Big time.
Posted by: larwyn | April 14, 2006 at 11:15 PM
Stephen Spruiell deconstructs Waas.
I'd cut and paste, but there is too much em-FA-sis...this of course is what set off the rabid dog, I mean firedog
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 14, 2006 at 11:19 PM
HEY=== LARWYN
YOU PASSED
Have a highball and a smile!
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 14, 2006 at 11:21 PM
That must have been another pre-emptive winged barmie attack! I even previewed and didn't question it appearing in black bold vs blue.
Great Leaping Leftist, My Corrupt and Degenerate Soul!
Posted by: larwyn | April 14, 2006 at 11:21 PM
Here Homer, Here Homer, does wittwe sweetums want a dose of reality?
September 1998 Document: Secret Research Programs Related to WMD http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1613509/posts
March 2001 Document: Saddam Regime Recruits Suicide Terrorists to Hit US Interests http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1610012/posts
Saddam Regime Document: Iraqi Intelligence met with Bin Laden in 1995 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600579/posts
Document: Saddam Regime Training and Using Foreign Arab Terrorists As Suicide Bombers. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600367/posts
Posted by: woof | April 14, 2006 at 11:21 PM
homer....duh. Go back to your brew.
Posted by: Specter | April 14, 2006 at 11:25 PM
ts,
Not success until the 8:21post.
Not looking for easy graders!
But love you %) (now I have to learn smiley faces??? When I still haven't figured out FUBAR -
I know SNAFU, think I know the
first 4 letters, can't figure out "R"?
Posted by: larwyn | April 14, 2006 at 11:26 PM
beyond all repair
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 11:28 PM
Reason is the word you are looking for I believe Larwyn.
Posted by: maryrose | April 14, 2006 at 11:29 PM
oh yeah, you gottal love Tops!
Congratulations, Larwyn!
Posted by: MayBee | April 14, 2006 at 11:31 PM
You go Woof! I stand corrected on the "R"
Posted by: maryrose | April 14, 2006 at 11:31 PM
woof
there ain't no way, secular...I SAID SECULAR Saddam--you know, the guy who installed a mosaic of Bush senior on the Baghdad Hotel entrance, you know the good guy who always loved the US...would collude with other Arabs as long as they were R E L I G I O U S!
And on that note, isn't a little funny -- recalling the Bush mosaic hotel welcome mat or the hit Saddam put out on him-- that Wilson the most prolific and worthy of all things Iraq -- totes this crap while toting around all his GHWB medals and letters?
Talk about hubris.
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 14, 2006 at 11:33 PM
larwyn, that's a great article--and I'm jealous about your mastery of the html folderol..
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 11:39 PM
tops,
Can't implicate poor old Nurse Ratchett, she has her hands full trying to keep their med levels straight over at CNN'S "Day Room".
They just won't follow directions and not mix booze with the ritalin/prozac.
Great chart Clarice. Shame we can't have in neon form that lights up with each tired meme.
Bet CNNers and MSNBCers use as their guide each evening.
Posted by: larwyn | April 14, 2006 at 11:46 PM
Lastest RabidDog? They just put out a hit on Daily Howler -- the link TM provided.
"First off — I just want to say that there is no shame in admitting a subject has gotten too complex for you to understand. The smart thing to do when that happens is to find something else to write about or this and this is bound to happen. In a word — ouch."
"Yes, Nurse Ratchet...likewise!"
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 14, 2006 at 11:48 PM
Interesting..most of the changes to the Gellman article seem purely editorial but there does seem a concerted effort by someone at the WaPo to remove the unproven and baised charges in the article.
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 11:54 PM
***BIASED****
Posted by: clarice | April 14, 2006 at 11:55 PM
Larwyn;
Congrats and what a thought-provoking post. You're Da-Bomb.
Posted by: maryrose | April 14, 2006 at 11:55 PM
Somerby is great. No partisan gunslinger, he.
I'm surprised you've never read him before, TM. I mean, I've linked to him. Does this mean you do not hang on my (or Sue or someone's ) every word?
Posted by: MayBee | April 15, 2006 at 12:03 AM
He is great. I love to read him even though I don't agree with everything he says. He has repeatedly warned the leftosphere about lying to their readers. And he is a keen observer of the dreck analysis and reportage about education. A real mensh.
Posted by: clarice | April 15, 2006 at 12:05 AM
Curious
noticed in the comments at Nurse Ratchet's site, a commenter pdf'd to Nurse Ratchet some portion of her post, that Nurse Ratchet felt needed to be deleted/edited or something...is this Nurse Ratchet's common practice - to assign commenters? If so, the topic of the thread
-- I just want to say that there is no shame in admitting a subject has gotten too complex for you to understand. ---
is um, a bit lusciously ironic
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 15, 2006 at 12:07 AM
Do you really believe a pardon can be issued before a person is "convicted" . .
Richard Nixon.
The late great Caspar Weinberger.
SMG
Posted by: SteveMG | April 15, 2006 at 12:12 AM
Barton's original article is really prejudicial. I'm curious as to where he got these supposed facts. Has Cathie Martin been ruled out as a possible source of saying they were out to get Wilson?
Posted by: maryrose | April 15, 2006 at 12:12 AM
maybe not delete who knows, but the commenter sure wants her original available. Like i said...Nurse Ratchet sure knows how to exploit, I mean butter her bread.
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 15, 2006 at 12:15 AM
I've no idea. But (a) reporters often do use misleadly descriptors of sources.(b) perhaps Clark and Beers were not the only holdover turncoats on the NSC ..Just saying..
The best bet is some holdover and I think there were more on the NSC than elsewhere in the WH.
Posted by: clarice | April 15, 2006 at 12:15 AM
SMG
rubbing it in. Nice.
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 15, 2006 at 12:17 AM
clarice-
this is what I love about Somerby- quoting from him:
"At this point, if you have to embellish facts to make a case against Bush, you ought to get out of the case-making business."
It's true about any case one is trying to make, and it is true about the case against Bush. And I think NOT embellishing is exactly what Somerby is great at doing, and more people should strive for.
Posted by: MayBee | April 15, 2006 at 12:19 AM
R/S/S was bored. It was a very odd feeling and he searched his memory to try and recall the last ime he had felt this way. '94, perhaps? After all, beating a loud mouthed drunk wasn't much of a test of political skill. 2006 just wasn't going to be that much of a challenge. Maybe urging Mowlett's Ass to make such a big push on the CA50 election hadn't been his best idea. The subsequent realization that the Kossacks were shooting blanks seemed to have deflated them a bit - and that wasn't a good thing. His internal polling showed that determination to get to the polls intensified every time Mowlett opened his little mouth. The Kossack's shrieking could also be charted by an influx of giving on the part of party faithful. Ken Mehlman had been after him to jack up the Kossacks a little higher so that he could beat the Republican's highest off year April in history. As far as Karl was concerned, Ken could just work the direct mail and phone banks a little harder.
Boring. What was left? He'd taken out Daschle in '04 without significant effort - first time ever in knocking off the opposition leadership in the Senate. Suddenly Karl smiled. He reached for the phone and dialed a fellow that he knew only slightly. It had been a long time since he had wanted any polling done in Nevada. '06 might be boring put taking out another opposition leader in '08 would make it into the political science history books.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | April 15, 2006 at 12:22 AM
Yes. It's hard enough to get things right but you owe it to your readers to do your very best to get it straight. Others may view the facts in a different way. That's fair enough, but to regularly, deliberately manipulate the facts to make your "case" is to breach a trust, I think.
Posted by: clarice | April 15, 2006 at 12:24 AM
Rick, did you get my email?
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 15, 2006 at 12:25 AM
Oh shoot, I'm an idiot. I read the paragraph that TM wrote about Daily Howler wrong, and I don't know how that happened. Of course I even KNOW that TM reads Somerby.
I was painting my nails while thinking, apparently too much to ask of my tiny brain.
Posted by: MayBee | April 15, 2006 at 12:27 AM
"Chief Sioux," Nate answered. It was the way he always answered the private line. Paying the geneologist off to find a drop of Indian blood in him had been worth tens of millions as he managed the largest casinos in the country, The On The Reservation Chain.
And that wasn't counting the cream off the top, the accountants could only suspect.
Posted by: clarice | April 15, 2006 at 12:29 AM
That's the Gellman article that carries a big old correction box at the top. We were chuckling about it the other day.
Posted by: MayBee | April 15, 2006 at 12:42 AM
I was painting my nails while thinking, apparently too much to ask of my tiny brain.
I heart you MayBee. I do that much, I think it is in the writing.. reading and thinking it sideways it hits me the opposite,
TM and others have pointed to Howler, Clarice has written a piece sourcing those guys.
Posted by: topsecretk9 | April 15, 2006 at 12:45 AM
"Listen,Nate,"Schrum said,"I have a plan for Harry and I need you help."
"Whatever,"Nate said.Sometime you had to pay the piper,and he was a man who knew the drill.
"Harry's coming to visit next Thursday.I want a crowd--feather bonnets and all waiting for him."
"Signs?" Nate asked,figuring he could get his bum son-in-law some printing business.
"We join with our Mexican brothers.Europeans,Blacks and Asians go home!"
"Anything else?"
Lots of Mexican flags, American flags upside down. Oh, and don't bring out the posters and flags until he's in the middle of his speech."
"Done,"Nate said, thinking, not for the first time, "that Schrum is one screwball."
Posted by: clarice | April 15, 2006 at 12:47 AM