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April 07, 2006

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topsecretk9

Sad

I don't know if you saw Clarice's link, for NY Daily Sun?, I know it was a sun...it's even more stinging


Sue

I wish he would quit pretending that he's really a republican and everyday he's just pushed closer to voting for a democrat...can you recall the last republican event he was showcased? Me neither, he even lies about who he is to this very day.

Sue

I think he stole my line. I made a comment on a message board that I wouldn't vote for another democrat not even for dog catcher. Plagarism? ::grin::

Sue

Ann Coulter makes my teeth hurt.

sad

We should thank him. He is "earning" funds that might otherwise go to support dem candidates. We need to keep him on the circuit. Quick!!! Someone send him a link so he can see how much we admire his hair, shoes and tie. (are we including the gut?)

Sue

Sad,

That's funny. I often imagine him looking glued to a monitor, searching for the latest article and comments relating to himself. He seems the type that would want to see what people were saying about him. And, since Tom has acquired the reputation for the go to guy on everything Plame, I can imagine him throwing things at the monitor when he reads some of our comments. Or posting as say, B-the-1, trying to prove the same point all day long. ::grin::

Foo Bar

OK, a few more things to follow up on from here:

At any rate, the major errors here are clearly CIA. (And they also report to the Administration, so I'm not sure why you want to emphasize DIA anyway.)

If you believe that the CIA's performance reflects on Bush just as much as the performance of DOD or any department that's been run by a Bush appointee since '01, then I encourage you to promote that belief and get that message out all over the blogosphere.

In fact, if you'd like to print up some pamphlets emphasizing that message and send them to households in swing districts this October, I'll be happy to chip in on the mailing costs.


My understanding is that DIA funnels intel through CIA, who acts as a clearinghouse

Maybe that's how it's supposed to work, but again, prior to the invasion DOD didn't seem too shy about "reinterpreting" data collected by the CIA regarding Iraq-Al Qaeda links and presenting their reinterpetations directly to the White House. So it seems that the "all intelligence->CIA->White House" funneling protocol is not always strictly followed.

In any case, the idea that someone like Wolfowitz ( who surely would have had the ear of the President and would have been able to tell him to hold off on making definitive pronouncements about the trailers) did not know about this DIA expert team looking into the trailers is flabbergasting to me. Note that Wolfowitz has in the past specifically tasked the DIA with a particular job. Also, I do believe the possibility of finding the first concrete evidence of WMDs may have been of some interest to him. Who knows- maybe he didn't know. If so, though, that's some serious incompetence on his part.

larwyn

Maryrose,
Saving this one for you:

Potential Plots For Future Seasons Of 24:

1. ...So What Have You Done With Your Life? In just under 120 hours of televised adventure, Jack Bauer of FoxTV's 24 has saved millions of innocent lives and extinguished quite a number of bad guys. He's also "died" twice -- it doesn't seem to slow him down much -- and has been accused of every capital crime on the books......

....So what do you say we give them a hand?
You'll want to read it all. Vanderleun linked to it today.

SteveMG

If so, though, that's some serious incompetence on his part.

I recall an anecdote by the late Daniel Moynihan that may or may not be informative on the issue, but at least shows a bit of my erudition and deep historical knowledge (ahem). And hell, isn't that the more important idea here anyway?

Moynihan was present at something like over 2,500 Cabinet meetings in his life during his various capacities in government.

"In all that time," Moynihan said, "I never once heard a single discussion about political philosophy or history. We just wanted to make it through the day."

Most of these people's days are incredibly filled with minutia. Papers to sign, documents to read, meetings to go to, folks to meet, reporters to talk to, and on and on and on.

Frankly, I don't know how they do it and still raise a family or have a life.

SMG

Sue

I'm still waiting to see how this story advances anything. Other than partisan sniping. By the time this statement was made, we were well into three months of the war. If this had all happened prior to invasion, I could see a story. As it stands now, it is just more of the same. What we already knew, rehashed as new news.

bushbot

Another lefty rant against our leader. Commie bastards.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/12/AR2006041201114.html

Foo Bar

Whoops, should have read that Washington Times link about Wolfowitz a little more thoroughly before making that last point. It actually claims DIA higher-ups had at one point forbidden their analysts from presenting a particular briefing to Wolfowitz. Ack! <blush>... what have I done? I've given aid to the enemy... should have known better than to link to the Washington Times...

OK, maybe Wolfowitz didn't know about the trailer investigation.

maryrose

SteveMG
Well said!
Larwyn : What a classic article-There's no one like Jack! In a recent interview Kiefer Sutherland was very unassuming-like a regular person.

MayBee

Have you seen http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2006/04/12/publiceye/entry1493504.shtml>Vaugh Ververs today? Outstanding must-read.

Sue

Foo Bar,

You are blaming the Washington Times for your failure to read something thoroughly?

kim

The URL of the SinestroWurl.
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Rick Ballard

SMG,

I don't believe that they do. Not as many of us would know it. I wouldn't touch an appointed position with a hundred foot pole, let alone one of ten feet. Serve one time on even the most mundane of boards in a home owners association and within six months you'll wish you had never heard of the thing or considered 'public service' as anything but something to be avoided.

With each accretion of responsibility from that lowest of positions up through a school board to a city council to a county commissioner to a state legislative position the responsibility grows and the utter tedium increases.

And if by chance and fortune you arrive in an anteroom within the White House you find that (as Moynihan notes) so very little can be accomplished and every move made is subject to criticism by know nothings who presume to impute motives to actions which may in fact be only a matter of 'getting through the day'.

There may also be fame, power and prestige involved - but who will know in fifteen years? Caspar Weinberger was an excellent public servant, yet his passing was little remarked and even then his contact with another loose cannon prosecutor had to be brought into the picture.

The game is not worth the candle for most of us. I salute Andrew Card for his service and I'm happy that at least he made it out without being crippled by people unfit to shine his shoes.

maryrose

Maybee:
Interesting article. I think communications shop should handle what the press gets. Get rid of leaks. Reporters can't be trusted.

kim

Yes, MayBee, the irony is niagrous.
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ff

And if by chance and fortune you arrive in There may also be fame, power and prestige involved - but who will know in fifteen years? Caspar Weinberger was an excellent public servant, yet his passing was little remarked and even then his contact with another loose cannon prosecutor had to be brought into the picture.

God, I agree - look what they tried to do to Bill Clinton.

Rick Ballard

Nobody appointed crooked willy. Elected officials sign up for the whole nine yards - Clinton as well as Bush.

larwyn

AJStrata on April 12th, 2006:

on how the Washington Post lied to its readers when it claimed unanimous agreement regarding WMD capability in Iraq:

The actual facts are that a single team of nine civilian experts wrote a “unanimous” report that was only unanimous within their one group, while two military teams of experts reached the conclusion that these were bioweapons labs. By careful and I believe willful deceit, the Post would seem to purposefully imply that all experts examining the suspected bio-weapons trailers unanimously came to the conclusion that these trailers were not used to manufacture bio-weapons, and that the Administration blatantly lied in the face of the evidence. The actual facts are that this was not only a not a unanimous report, but that the “unanimous” report of the one team was actually a minority view overall.

This is willful misrepresentation of the facts by Joby Warrick and the editors of the Washington Post in a page one story. There were indeed varied interpretations of the suitability of these trailers to manufacture bio-weapons, yet the Post article purposefully decived its readers to lend weight and column inches to the minority viewpoint that was not unanimous as they suggested.

He has links to old articles go read it all
http://www.strata-sphere.com/blog/

SOUTH PARK TONIGHT

TV GUIDE CHANNEL SCHEDULE
DOES NOT HAVE 10PM EPISODE LABELED
NEW!

TV Guide keeps this scroll pretty up to date - so it looks bad from this for an actual PART TWO

clarice

Rick, How right you are.. Anyone with half a brain will stay out of it, and I know spouses who say they'll leave if their husband/wife ever does it again.

In the meantime, the Fox all stars all paste Fitz. Is the tide turning? Is elliott ness turning into a helluva mess?

http://www.shadowtv.com/redirect/notification.jsp?vid=354a4e34e9e8212c445c16a0bfcd89ed

Sue

ff,

I agree. And look what the payback has been like for Bush. And we can project ourselves to the next democratic president and the payback to him/her for Bush. And on and on...until someone finally says...I ain't gonna do this no more...and we are left with what? The best are sitting on the sidelines because they are no longer willing.

sad

Drudge report has a picture up of Cindy Sheehan and there is this resemblence to SOMEONE that is driving me crazy but I just can't it. Is it the hair? the shoes....

sad

oops

just can't PLACE it

PeterUK

Since the subject of">http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/Iraq/lab.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/arabs/iraqmobile.html&h=217&w=304&sz=10&tbnid=tAJe3UsA6xZJyM:&tbnh=79&tbnw=112&hl=en&start=5&prev=/images%3Fq%3Diraq%2Bmobile%2Blabs%2B%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official_s%26sa%3DG"> Saddam's Trailers of Doom is upon everyones lips,perhaps now is the time for some pictures.
Now to me,the little Father of his People was not concerned enough to spend so much money on providing fly spray,or even gas for weather balloons,in fact this looks like very heavy duty kit.Maybe not WMD,but certainly the kind of thing that gave Heydrich a hard on.
I believe they were supplied by Germany,no relation,at great cost.They were cleaned thoroughly so it was impossible to say what they had been used for,why so? The answer may be that the Ba'athist regime was compulsively neat,but there has never been a plausible account of the Trailer's real usage.
If you were a Kurd and one of these trundled into you neighbourhood, would you say,"Oh Goody,it's balloon day",or would you be out of there slicker than deer guts on a doorknob?

Rick Ballard

Sue,

You have to look at the political ads from the Jefferson/Adams election to get a flavor for how long this has been going on.

Washington was the only one to get out easy.

In one sense we live in innocent times.

Sue

Rick,

We live with instant news. Even Clinton didn't have the instant news to deal with that Bush has. Clinton didn't have blogs working 24/7 to discredit every word out of his mouth. I seriously doubt Clinton would have lasted for the 2nd term had he been president today. We see how the news is filtered and twisted. It didn't just start with Bush.

wadikitty
Drudge report has a picture up of Cindy Sheehan and there is this resemblence to SOMEONE that is driving me crazy

Ummm... I've got it: "Hoss" on Bonanza!

Rick Ballard

C'mon, Peter, hell, they had a 600 year supply of insecticide stored up - those were just mosquito control units doing a little mixing to keep the bug population under control. They were even kind enough to do the initial spraying in a town in Kurdish Iraq, just to show that they wanted to be fair.

sad

Rick,

What a heartbreaking picture. We all need reminding from time to time why we need to fight.

clarice

What are we going to do about that liar Schuster who has not corrected his lies?

Olbermann is just nuts and only moonbats listen to him, but Schuster should be called to account.

sad

Wadikitty,

Check out Tops' earlier link and see if there isn't quite a resemblance. Do you think they are the same person?

PeterUK

Cindy is much undervalued,imagine you are a dirt farmer and your mule has gone lame....anyway for those who are light sleepers or of a nervous disposition

Sue

Wow, http://www.seixon.com/blog/archives/2006/04/hydrogen_warfar.html>Seixon has been busy. As I said earlier, how does this not 'new' news advance the argument? Well, Seixon dug up a story, written by Judy Miller, no less, in June 2003, that blows today's WaPo 'new' news article out of the water.

kim

There is much controversy, Rick, but I am inclined to the belief that most of the citizens of Halabja died from Iranian gas. Saddam claims he read about it in the newspaper. That is not to say that Kurds may not have been deliberately gassed by Saddam's order; just not at Halabja.
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Rick Ballard

"We see how the news is filtered and twisted. It didn't just start with Bush."

Sue,

We are seeing a genesis - there simply aren't many pols who can stand up to the heat on tap at the moment. Not of the ones who seek face time in the limelight, at any rate.

Are there good people with principles who are willing to work for the people who elect them and have kept their noses clean for all their lives? Sure, that's no problem at all. There are plenty of people of intelligence and good will who will choose to serve. Some of them won't even be corrupted by the process and the power. In fact, there are a number now serving who might fit the bill.

Political life is in the process of getting better, not worse. The dross is being burned away with a hotter flame than has ever been used before.

clarice

Raw Story is wrong. I confirmed the Libby filing has not yet been made.

larwyn

COMEDY CENTRAL REFUSED TO SHOW DEPICTION OF MOHAMMED

The "Family Guy" dressed in a toga was to open door to Mohammed.

A black screen came up which said

"Comedy Central Refused to show
Mohammed"

Have to search around for story.

Sue

Rick,

I hope you are right. It seems to me we are living in the moment of payback. We need to start paying forward.

Rick Ballard

Kim,

That may be so. The precursors for gas were abundant in Iraq at levels that preclude the possibility that they were there for use as insecticide. Poison gas is a very ticklish weapon that depends upon too many independent variables to make its general use particularly effective. HE barrages work much better.

The question is only 'was there any weapon that Saddam might have shunned?' and the answer is no. The same answer applies to the Iranian mullahs and the same response is justified.

If they are allowed to live, then we (or our children and grandchildren) must prepare to die.

Halabja belongs to one of two houses of evil in the world and both need to be destroyed.

clarice

Captain's Quarters (like Seixon) says the labs were fully reported on by Judith Miller and shreds the Post story. http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/006736.php

Is there a war goin g on inside the WaPo?

ff

Gee, Clarice - how did you know that? Get a call from Comstock?

wadikitty

sad,
you mean the one of Joe with his swoonable hair and shoes? If so, I think she looks more like Hoss -- her hair, what you can see of it under the hat, is singularly unimportant looking.

sad

wadikitty,

Just focus on the face. Her hair is definitly not important, we can't even see her shoes, and she is not wearing a tie, but all that aside, I think she is a dead ringer.

wadikitty

Just focus on the face.

*RETCH*

hcow

Except Seixon says Judy says ...

"In all, at least three teams of Western experts have now examined the trailers and evidence from them. While the first two groups to see the trailers were largely convinced that the vehicles were intended for the purpose of making germ agents, the third group of more senior analysts divided sharply over the function of the trailers, with several members expressing strong skepticism, some of the dissenters said"

Except Judy got it wrong again. The WP said the third group was in agreement almost immediately, within four hours of getting there, that these were not weapon's labs. They had disagreements about what they were but they agreed on that. And even though they were pressured, they wrote a strong 122 page report saying that. Which was shelved for a year.

clarice

ff..I checked and found there was no filing. Sue confirmed the same with her Pacer check. What Raw Story did was get the date-which must have been informally extended to tomorrow and print up the story as if it had inside knwledge of a filing. There is none yet.

topsecretk9

Anyone hear how the latest Leftist WAPO Blog Swarm went? Did left make inroads?

topsecretk9

Anyone hear how the latest Leftist WAPO Blog Swarm went? Did left make inroads?

larwyn

AJStrata on April 12th, 2006:

on how the Washington Post lied to its readers when it claimed unanimous agreement regarding WMD capability in Iraq:

The actual facts are that a single team of nine civilian experts wrote a “unanimous” report that was only unanimous within their one group, while two military teams of experts reached the conclusion that these were bioweapons labs. By careful and I believe willful deceit, the Post would seem to purposefully imply that all experts examining the suspected bio-weapons trailers unanimously came to the conclusion that these trailers were not used to manufacture bio-weapons, and that the Administration blatantly lied in the face of the evidence. The actual facts are that this was not only a not a unanimous report, but that the “unanimous” report of the one team was actually a minority view overall.

This is willful misrepresentation of the facts by Joby Warrick and the editors of the Washington Post in a page one story. There were indeed varied interpretations of the suitability of these trailers to manufacture bio-weapons, yet the Post article purposefully decived its readers to lend weight and column inches to the minority viewpoint that was not unanimous as they suggested.

He has links to old articles go read it all
http://www.strata-sphere.com/blog/

SOUTH PARK TONIGHT

TV GUIDE CHANNEL SCHEDULE
DOES NOT HAVE 10PM EPISODE LABELED
NEW!

TV Guide keeps this scroll pretty up to date - so it looks bad from this for an actual PART TWO

topsecretk9

New Libby filings up, I have them...you want me to email you Rick?

Rick Ballard

Sue,

I would say rather that we are in a period where 'the center will not hold' for the Gramscians. There is a general dissolution on the left that began with the Wall coming down and has continued through the to the point where justifiable disdain is felt for the institutions that the Gramscians hold.

They hold the MSM and higher education (on the illiberal arts side) - both of which stink to such an extent that they are subject to ridicule, except among true believers. They hold the EU - for all that's worth - and the UN - a whore's palace where Saddam purchased $2 hookers right up to the Security Council. The NGO's in Indonesia have spent a lot of tsunami aid money to construct an infinitesimal number of habitable structures. The Arabs won't even support the Hamas Pali claims against Israel's right to shoot back.

These aren't really bad times. The scum is being skimmed in many places and change is occurring.

The future is never dark for those who persevere.

clarice

Ooooh..can't wait to see them!!

Rick Ballard

TS,

U betcha. Send them, write a cover blurb after and send it too (after not with) and it will be up as soon as possible,

sad

Clarice

Work your magic and give us a tidbit before
bedtime.

larwyn

I don't know what is going on with this site tonight I was typing in a reply to hcow and tried to backspace - throw to: expired page - reloaded and a post I had posted at ~6:50 site time has reappeared as new post.

Last time I loaded page - got green background and computer language???? as the comments,
separated by the "posted by ________,

Wonder what will happen this time.

hcow

Clarice, okay so you were wrong and Raw Story was right. Got it.

sad

Prosecutor formally files correction in CIA leak case

RAW STORY
Published: Wednesday April 12, 2006


Print This | Email This


RAW STORY's earlier report, that lawyers for I. Lewis Libby made a new filing in the CIA leak case, was regretfully in error. Our first story drew upon early wires, which mischaracterized the story.

another day late and dollar short

topsecretk9

Rick,

I just sent, from my personal email so you might not recognize. You won't need to scan I don't believe...they are text copy ready.

WHo wants one?

clarice

ME!!!!!!Please.

sad

sorry

meant to post with previous Raw Story

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Libby_makes_new_filing_in_CIA_0412.html

danking70

PeterUK, someone posted Seixon's commentary on the biolabs earlier.

http://www.seixon.com/blog/archives/2006/04/hydrogen_warfar.html

Sue

LOL. If Raw Story had held off for a few minutes, they would have been able to say their 'sources' were correct. I mean seriously, how badly are they beating themselves up at the moment over there?

hcow

The Libby filings are BRILLIANT. They destroy Fitz's case. Case closed. The court should dismiss this bogus case tomorrow.

(Sorry, haven't read it. Just getting a jump ahead here on the right blogosphere.)

sad

Sue

Talk about poetic justice!!!

H cow

Isn't there something you would like to say to Clarice?

topsecretk9

I have to dispatch the little tucker to sleep over ...so be back soon and I'll email it to anyone who wants a copy?

Should I drop it in TM's email? Do you usually do that Sue?

Rick Ballard

TS,

Write that blurb.

It's three docs that I will post as I download.

SteveMG

Holy:
(Sorry, haven't read it. Just getting a jump ahead here on the right blogosphere.)

Well, cow, we all can't be as independent a thinker as you. A true rebel indeed.

Let's be frank, your posts haven't exactly lit up this place with their insight and novelty. Something more than one sentence and a link would be welcomed.

Sorry for the snark, but sometimes one has to fight snark with snark.

SMG

topsecretk9

Write that blurb?

Rick, I think it is only 2-- I save twice and one kept coming up 0bytes, but it's still a copy (if that makes sense)

hcow

Isn't there something you would like to say to Clarice?

Posted by: sad | April 12, 2006 at 08:19 PM

Ummm, I'm sorry Raw Story was right and weak, and you were wrong and strong?

cathyf

Hey, I'm looking for some help here. I think this NIE release is a gross invasion of the prerogatives of the executive (you know, the elected guy) to conduct the business of the presidency and keep some things confidential. It is gratuitous, in that it is non-responsive to Libby's filings, and appears to be a case of greymail against the president and the vice president. So I think it's time to build a meme. Can anybody help me flesh this out a bit more?

Ok, so now who is Patrick Fitzgerald? He is the point man of a campaign to punish a whistleblower (Dick Cheney) who exposed the Administration critic's lies about pre-war intelligence. The campaign to discredit and punish the whistleblower included outing the identity of the whistleblower's work-wife (that would be Libby) who is an agent of the government working in managing (among other things) the public release of information about weapons of mass destruction. Libby's lawyers have instituted the special legal proceedings that will result in Fitzgerald's indictment being frog-marched out of the court system.
Ok, guys, you are the experts here -- get this meme going!

cathy :-)

sad

Sue

Raw Story still has the correction post up regreting to inform us there will be no Libby filing today.

Sue

The best part of the Raw Story correction is they identified their 'sources'. Wire services. Why didn't they just say their source appeared to be incorrect? Or not say anything, which is what someone over there is saying right now. ROTFLMAO. To be a fly on the wall at Raw Story right about now. ::grin::

I'm going to have to wait to read the brilliant response by the Libby team. I'm too tired from laughing to stay up any longer.

Poetic justice doesn't do it justice...

hcow

Me too. Got to go to bed. The Daily Show is over. Always nice chatting with ya folks.

danking70

South Park didn't show Mohammed.

Peter answers the door and when Mohammed is supposed to enter the screen goes black with the words (paraphrase) "Mohammed enters and hands Peter and Helmet with a Salmon on it." Next screen black with the words that Comedy Central wouldn't allow it.

Central wusses out or did Matt and Trey do that on purpose?

sad

Check this out and tell me that Cindy and Joe are not the same person. The hair and clothes are radically different but look at the face!!!!

http://www.rawstory.com/

Rick Ballard

hot link

Still copying - and waiting for blurb - this is half of the motion.

topsecretk9

So far off the bat, I like the font they use. It's definitely not Times or Times New Roman, Garamond? Garamond Condensed? No...anyhow it's different and a tad more elegant than Tang Type --

just kidding.

sad

Rick

Thanks for the link

Hcow

"The Libby filings are BRILLIANT. They destroy Fitz's case. Case closed. The court should dismiss this bogus case tomorrow."

You are going to look absolutely brillant tomorrow based on your above referenced statement.

Rick Ballard

Jeez, the exhibits are blistering but they are photocopies.

This is going to take a while.

Tom's wife - Pay the damn ransome - we'll figure out how to get it back later.

topsecretk9

Yep nailed him on his bit of news theatre. Fairytale. That's, well, funny.

sad

Here's something interesting to pursue while we wait.

April 12, 2006
Where In The World Is The AP's Bilal Hussein?
Bilal Hussein has worked for the Associated Press during most of the Iraq War, bringing pictures of insurgents that call into question his access to their plans, among other issues. Michelle Malkin reports that the AP's lensman has been caught with a weapons cache and has been detained by the US military. She has links to the complete back story; be sure to review it carefully and thoroughly.

I think the AP may have some explaining to do.

Posted by Captain Ed at April 12, 2006 10:07 PM

topsecretk9

--Further, because the defense may call Mr. Wilson as a hostile
witness, we need to prepare to examine him, if necessary, on the details of the trip, including his wife’s role in selecting him for the assignment and the findings he reported to the CIA, and later,
to the press.--

Good thing Wilson's been on the community college speaking tour.

sad

sorry, meant to post this as well


http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/

sad

TS

I'm still giggling over "may call as a hostile witness"

sad

Raw Story now has the filing. Check it out

--(Special thanks to Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake for sending RAW STORY the Libby filing)--


topsecretk9

--by stating that “loyalty to Mr. Armitage or to the State
Department” would not cause Mr. Grossman to “invent conversations . . . and testify to them
under oath.”---

gauntlet, Mr. Armitage?

Rick Ballard

Page 5 Footnote (exhibits) from letter from dear Fritzie to Jeffress:

I note that Ms. Wilson's employment status was classified but has been since declassified so that we my now confirm such status. In any event, we are not aware of any documents in our possession stating that Ms. Wilson's affilliation with the CIA was not classified at the relevant times.

PLEASE NOTE THE USE OF THE WORD "AFFILLIATION" THIS IS A FIRST CLASS WEASEL IN FULL THROAT.

This guy has to go.

Lew Clark

That's one down, but we still have the other 200 Al Queda operatives writing for AP to round up.

danking70

I wonder how Joe's testimony will compare with his Senate Committee one.

It will be interesting to watch how the MSM reports it.

topsecretk9

Well Wilson is getting his comeuppance...this is all about Wilson

--Mr. Libby must be in a position at trial to show the jury that, consistent
with his grand jury testimony, he responded in good faith on the merits to Mr. Wilson’s
allegations, instead of seeking to question his allegiances or motives. For that reason it is vital
that Mr. Libby obtain discovery of the truth regarding Mr. Wilson’s allegations, including all
communications by him with the CIA, the State Department, or anyone else concerning those
allegations.--

And The public record notes, Wilson has admitted to talking to alot of people in Govt.

sad

Rick

re page 5 footnote

Is Fitz saying "prove to me that she wasn't classified?"

topsecretk9

--but has been since declassified so that we my now confirm such status.--

But notes he has no documents? Did the CIA telepathically tell Fitz this?

Rick Ballard

Sad,

I read the footnote in the context of Joe's "How I Penetrated The CIA" book. Ms. Plame was effectively "declassified" when she married Ambassador Munchausen. Her removal to official "declassified" status may not have occurred until the CIA plucked that dusky rose in an administrative hearing (the result of which may well have been "Why don't you take a year off, dearie, you've screwed yourself by screwin' 'im").

Fritz is playing word games in footnotes again. He just ain't that clever.

sad

But does he know he's not? That's the kicker every time.

cathyf

Question here -- near the end of the filing, it says:

To the extent that the CIA’s documents suggest that the DOJ hesitated to begin its investigation of the disclosure of Ms. Wilson’s identity, and that hesitancy was related to the DOJ’s uncertainty that any crime had been committed based on the information provided by the CIA, the defense should have the opportunity to use such information to prepare to cross-examine CIA witnesses at trial.
Is Team Libby here saying that they will not make any materiality claims in a motion to dismiss if the DOJ docs show that the investigation was improper from the beginning since there was no crime?

cathy :-)

cathyf

BTW -- is it just me, or is page 20 missing from the YARGB document?

cathy :-)

topsecretk9

Cathy...explain that more for lil' old dumb me.


--sidenote

THE TIMES CORRECTS THE RECORD [Byron York]

The New York Times reports that the Fitzgerald letter (see the Corner, Tuesday at 7 p.m.) "undercut a basis" for the paper's front-page story suggesting that Lewis Libby lied about the National Intelligence Estimate. The paper also explains why it was slow to correct the record: "a telephone message and an e-mail message about the court filing went unnoticed":

A front-page article in some copies on Sunday reported that a top aide to Vice President Dick Cheney said he had been authorized to disclose to a reporter that one of the key judgments in a 2002 National Intelligence Estimate was that Iraq was "vigorously trying to procure uranium." The assertion about the aide, I. Lewis Libby Jr., was based on a court filing last Wednesday by Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor overseeing the indictment of Mr. Libby in the C.I.A. leak case. Yesterday, Mr. Fitzgerald filed a letter with the court correcting his original filing to say Mr. Libby had been authorized to disclose "some of the key judgments of the N.I.E., and that the N.I.E. stated that Iraq was vigorously trying to procure uranium." This revised account of his filing undercut a basis of the Times article — that Mr. Libby testified that he had been told to overstate the significance of the intelligence about uranium.

Although Mr. Fitzgerald formally filed his corrective yesterday, accounts of it were provided to some news organizations on Tuesday night, and were the basis for news articles yesterday. The Times did not publish one, as other organizations did, because a telephone message and an e-mail message about the court filing went unnoticed at the newspaper.

sad

I'll bet those machines are full.

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