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May 09, 2006

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Semanticleo

Work calls....gotta book.

Y'all come back now, hear?

kim

You missed it. Planks. Agreement. Consensus. Do you see it? Or do you lack vision?
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paul

Worth taking a trip to the John Birch Society.

'No matter what the actual membership, the JBS pioneered grassroots lobbying, combining educational meetings, petition drives, and letter writing campaigns.'

'In a 1966 speech, Welch coined the name "The Insiders" to describe the leaders of the conspiracy. '

'Birch Society influence on US politics hit its high point in the years around the failed 1964 presidential campaign of Republican candidate Barry Goldwater who lost to incumbent President Lyndon Johnson.'

http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/jbs.html

Worth noting that they also believe that they were the driving force behind the Clinton impeachment.

The parallels between Atrios and Bircher's is worth noting. The JBS had a larger membership, but the themes are the same. Conspiracies and impeachment. Also worth noting that JBS peaked under Goldwater, much as the 'netroots' peaked under the Dean nomination and Chairmanship.

His departure from his current post will create a schism that will leave the 'Digital Lynch Mob' on the curb, waiting for the ANSWER bus to pick them up.


kim

What's all this yap about fences. I count 30 million untouchable souls and only 12 million susceptible illegal aliens. At least 18 million short. Open the gates; Hell hath no liebens room like demographics.
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kim

And a short ANSWER, at that.
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noah

Yup, read the thread Semanticleo...missed the refutation. Go ahead duck. I know you are a fraud anyway.

paul

NYT/CBS to the rescue.

"The political situation has not helped some of the more prominent members of the Democratic Party. Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, who was Mr. Bush's opponent in 2004, had a lower approval rating than Mr. Bush: 26 percent, down from 40 percent in a poll conducted right after the election.

And just 28 percent said they had a favorable view of Al Gore, one of Mr. Bush's more vocal critics."

(Would you believe this was the last words of the article?)

For extra credit, see if you can find the actual democratic approval numbers...the gop numbers just jump out at you. You think the democratic numbers would be included.

Also-
miltary defense GOP55%, Dems 29%.
Dealing with terrorism? GOP 45%, Dems 35%.

06 is like watching the 04 election spread out over months. The fixation on exit polls versus the actual results.

noah

If I were to be polled, I would be an "independent", I would disapprove of both parties, Senate democrats most profoundly, and lastly I would have to disapprove of Bush if I were honest with the pollster (Rove and Bush or maybe just Bush don't seem to understand how pissed most people are about the immigration stalemate).

Is there any chance I would vote for any democrat? Hell will freeze over first.

Les Nessman

Heh :
"Dems are divided on immigration, as are Republicans, so of course he left immigration off of his list of what there's consensus on."

Republicans are divided on immigration? Perhaps, but it's more like a 90/10 split amongst the electorate.

paul

Same here.

Lesser of two evils, here we go again.

(I still like Bush, and will judge him on his body of work-he still has time. Despite his low approval numbers, he remains the more popular than his opposition. In the politics of attrition, he is holding his own.)

Dwilkers

It was the Myers thing that shook me. This Goss thing hasn't helped either.

Gary Maxwell

So Sematicleo demonstrated another of his party's guiding philopsophy, "cut and run." Toss a few ad homs from a safe distance safely over the horizon and boogie when you are asked politely to support your position or STFU.

paul

Some polls from pollingreport.com:

http://pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm

GOP congressional approval numbers:
Fox-5/06-35%
LAT-4/06-37%
Pew-3/06-32%
Harris-3/06-27%

http://pollingreport.com/cong_dem.htm

Dem congressional approval numbers:
Fox-5/06-36%
LAT-4/06-41%
Pew-3/06-34%
Harris-3/06-24%.

To borrow from the NYT coverage of the recent poll-

Do you think the Country would be better of with a Democratic Congress? Question #18-
39%. (Notice how consistent the number is with actual democratic demo...) I'm not seeing any movement/defections from independent voters.

Looking at the internals, I simply can't find a groundswell of support for Dems. In a cursory exam of the NYT poll, they seemed afraid to ask what the actual approval number for dems is...I never found the question asked.

Sara (Squiggler)

Well I'm voting for Mitt Romney for Prez. and there is no way, no matter how mad at Repubs I might be over any one specific issue that I'd be dumb enough to let democrats have control and trust our national security to those bunch of cowards and losers. I live in a Boxer/Pelosi state ... GAG!

JM Hanes

Dwilkers

"Have we said we want to raise taxes?"

Hard to type for laughing! In fact, I'm going back to read your post again and laugh some more. Then I'm going to save it for a rainy day when I could use a lift. The "curl" of truth, as a child once called it, is what makes it seriously funny, of course. Thanks, needed that!

clarice

Dwikers entire post is a keeper,JMH. And a good explanation of why the Dems have lost the middle class. It is now the party of rich elitists, working with the loony left to cater to the losers at the cost of the middle class.

JM Hanes

Oh Lordy! I just surfed by C-Span to hear Jim McDermott claiming that Republicans deliberately made enrolling for the drug benefit super complicated in order to keep the needy from signing up. If you follow the debate on the floor though, it looks like only Democrats are having trouble understanding the instructions. McDermott's final flourish is worth noting: We'll all probably vote for it, but this is a baaaaad bill!

Benjamin Cardin (D-Maryland) was pretty persuasive though. Don't know a thing about him, but it wouldn't hurt if the Dems gave him Pelosi's job.

richard mcenroe

"No, that list is not the "Atrios vision". It's what Atrios says there's a pretty good consensus on in the liberal blogosphere.

And that differs from being Atrios' vison exactly how?"

Charlie (Colorado) -- because Atrios is just the messenger; he doesn't believe in the message. Hell, he's a Democrat. He doesn't believe in anything beyond the politics of the next five minutes...

clarice

Hee hee:
"Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean and the leader of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee have clashed angrily in recent days in a dispute about how the party should spend its money in advance of this fall's midterm elections.

Rep. Rahm Emanuel (Ill.), who is leading the party's effort to regain majority status in the House, stormed out of Dean's office several days ago leaving a trail of expletives, according to Democrats familiar with the session.

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean advocates a "50-state strategy." (Toby Talbot - AP)

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The blowup highlights a long-standing tension that has pitted Democratic congressional leaders, who are focused on their best opportunities for electoral gains this fall, against Dean and many state party chairmen, who believe that the party needs to be rebuilt from the ground up -- even in states that have traditionally been Republican strongholds.

Emanuel's fury, Democratic officials said, was over his concern that Dean's DNC is spending its money too freely and too early in the election cycle -- a "burn rate" that some strategists fear will leave the party unable to help candidates compete on equal terms with Republicans this fall"http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/10/AR2006051001927.html

JM Hanes

Rahm Emanuel has got to be one of the brightest cookies in the Democratic jar. Back in his days as a talking head, he was one of those guys you ended up respecting even though he was as partisan as they come. The sorry state of politics would be much improved if the Dems had more Emanuels and less Pelosis.

As I recall Dean's "burn rate" as a candidate was an off the charts disaster, but I do think he's right about the need to rebuild from the ground up. Unfortunately, with his usual strategic flare, he's trying to implement his idea of reconstruction from the top down. Of course, he wrested control of the DNC from the Clintonistas by promising to pass out megabucks to state committees, so I suspect he's not about to start looking like he's playing favorites now, no matter how it affects election results.

clarice

I read that Rahm had targetted 22 tough Congressional races where he intended to pump in money and at this moment 6 of those candidates got bupkis from the DNC. I don't think they have the money. Would you give it to Dean?The 527 loophole looked like a boon for the Dems but I think it is working against them, as so much money is pumped by Soros and Bing and Burkle et all to the kooks and away from the party.

Mark Coffey

Another typically excellent post. I only comment to say: yay! More traction for Nutroots!...

JM Hanes

On the Republican side, I think the biggest problem with conservative disaffection is a potential financial one. I don't think they'll actually vote for Democratic candidates (in the Senate anyway; House races may depend more on the local reputations of the candidates) and I think conservatives are generally too politically engaged to stay away from the polls. But there's a lot of "not one dime to centrists" sentiment out there, and I'd be curious to know just how big a hit losing that financial support might actually represent.

kim

You'd think Soros himself would understand how big money warps fundamentally the one man one vote foundation of democracy.
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