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May 04, 2006

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clarice

Well, if Tenet didn't tell them, why didn't he? A creep his Agency was responsible for sending on a nonsensical mission without a non disclosure pledge was spreading lies about the Administration that were very damaging. One would suppose he'd clue them in as to what happened...unless he was in on the gambit himself.

clarice

As to Spruiell's piece, (a) Perhaps NBC is trying to follow in CBS's 60 minute footsteps and (b) I'm glad Lautenburg stepped in it--it gives Goss an opportunity to say what Mitchell and Woodward reported and helps Libby. Nothing like believing the lies spun by your allies as Daily Howler tries to warn his fellow Dems.

Charlie (Colorado)

But tomorrow is another day, although, since I have been a bit of a laggard n covering this, today is actually yesterday's tomorrow.

That sentence deserves to be noted and memorialized somehow.

Daddy

Charlie,
I think it sounds like Scarlett O'hara after one too many mint julips. Add a hiccup at the end at it works perfect. No wonder Rhett left her and Tara for Charleston.

JohnH

If you had gone to Morrow yesterday now don't you see,
you could have gone to Morrow and returned today at three
For the train today to Morrow, if the schedule is right,
today it goes to Morrow and returns tomorrow night."

Courtesy of the Kingston Trio. God bless the internet.

Javani

Did Tenet tell MI6? Joe was leaking in the UK stirring up trouble for Blair. His phony Niger story was maybe the second biggest "gotcha" behind the BBC's miscasting of the David Kelly information.

PeterUK

No Armitage probably told MI6,that is why he got a K.

cathyf

Speaking of David Kelly, does anybody notice the parallel between Joe Wilson's claims about himself and the BBC's claims about Kelly? In each case the fundamental claim was that a government was "sexing up" intel about Saddam. In each case the basic logic was that we had one guy who worked for a government whose position was such that he had only a very limited slice of the total Saddam intel, and then we were supposed to believe that if the entire government claimed to know more than this one individual knew, well then of course the government was lying.

cathy :-)

clarice

Odd you should mention that, cathy. In his June 14, 2003 EPIC offering Munchausen said that his fight would unseat Bush and Blair. It may well be this was an international scam.

Lew Clark

Knowing who Val was married to and what kind of people she hung out with (I know guilt by association, but that goes a long way in the spy business), then maybe getting Val out of the CIA and away from Iranian intelligence actually helps our ability to monitor Iran and keep our program a secret.
Apparently Britain is aware of the service Armitage did for the cause of freedom by outing Val and gave him an honorary knighthood. I think the least we can do is give Libby and Rove a medal!

Patrick R. Sullivan

Try constructing valid syllogisms where one of the first premises is, Valerie Plame's name appeared in a Bob Novak column, and end up concluding that the CIA's ability to monitor Iran is hindered.

Major Premise: Valerie Plame was an analyst at the CIA.

Minor Premise: She was identified as such in a newspaper.

Conclusion: Iran knows the name of at least ONE analyst.

Okay, we proceed:

Major Premise: Iran knows the name of at least ONE analyst.

Minor Premise: ?

Conclusion: ?

Help me out here, Jeff, AB, Hit the Bid, anyone.

clarice

OT:Oh dear, now Ray McGovern has taken to publicly heckling Rumsfeld. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060504/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/rumsfeld_3 Are the VIPers getting desperate?

Dumcan

Minor Premise: CIA analyst and the work done is confirmed by an old pal, Larry Johnson(CIA), who goes back to the 'farm' with Plame just before the State Department announces an Iran desk(important intelligence thing) where Larry used to work.

Conclusion: Treason. Goal: Same as Plame's confirmation at 'Vanity Fair' as being an operations officer, paramilitarily(farm) trained. Roll up(farm) old intelligence operations officers^terror.

topsecretk9

obviously very OT but...chip off the old...nevermind

Drudge Blare:

KENNEDY CAR CRASH COVER-UP?

Officers Claim Brass Interfered in Investigation of Rep. Kennedy Incident... Police labor union officials asked acting Chief Christopher McGaffin this afternoon to allow a Capitol Police officer to complete his investigation into an early-morning car crash involving Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-R.I.).

According to a letter sent by Officer Greg Baird, acting chairman of the USCP FOP, the wreck took place at approximately 2:45 a.m. Thursday when Kennedy's car, operating with its running lights turned off, narrowly missed colliding with a Capitol Police cruiser and smashed into a security barricade at First and C streets Southeast.

clarice

And if anything had happened to him, we'd get another of those The Kennedy Tragedies" stories not a Warning:Stay away from these guys, they are reckless drunks.

Squiggler

John Gibson just reported that Kennedy claimed he was hurrying to make a vote, but the House had called it a night nearly 3 hours earlier. Also, reports are that he was staggering. They dismissed the officers at the scene, called in couple of sargents and then drove Kennedy home.

Damn drunks!

Seixon

I already got Joshua Marshall to back off of this line of thinking ages ago. At first he claimed that since Cheney told Libby that Plame worked at the CIA's DO, then he must have known she was covert.

I told Marshall that not everyone who works at the DO is a covert agent, there are actually lots of desk jobs there that never do any covert work.

He corrected himself on this - something which he rarely does. Odd?

[Here we go:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/006881.php

Thanks.

Or should I say, THANKS!]

brenda taylor

i guess those kennedys love their alchol,no problem uncle teddy will be right there to defend.afamilt of drunks murders rapists.

topsecretk9

According to a letter sent by Officer Greg Baird, acting chairman of the USCP FOP, the wreck took place at approximately 2:45 a.m. Thursday when Kennedy’s car, operating with its running lights turned off, narrowly missed colliding with a Capitol Police cruiser and smashed into a security barricade at First and C streets Southeast.

“The driver exited the vehicle and he was observed to be staggering,” Baird’s letter states. Officers approached the driver, who “declared to them he was a Congressman and was late to a vote. The House had adjourned nearly three hours before this incident. It was Congressman Patrick J. Kennedy from Rhode Island.”

Baird wrote that Capitol Police Patrol Division units, who are trained in driving under the influence cases, were not allowed to perform basic field sobriety tests on the Congressman. Instead, two sergeants, who also responded to the accident, proceeded to confer with the Capitol Police watch commander on duty and then “ordered all of the Patrol Division Units to leave the scene and that they were taking over.”

Baird said he had been advised that after the officers departed, Capitol Police “House Division officials” gave Kennedy a ride home.


I hope David Gregory is taking the cover up/ press corp shut-out OK.

topsecretk9

Sorry, wonk link

Semanticleo

At least he's not a dry drunk. You know,
someone who quit drinking and shouldn't have.

Big Louie Patooti

A spokesman said "No secretaries were killed or injured in this incident".

topsecretk9

Holy Cow, this was just published on Monday...The Scrapbook

On April 15,, Patrick's car was T-boned as he hurriedly pulled across an oncoming lane into a CVS pharmacy in Portsmouth, R.I. Carr was particularly taken with Patrick's handwritten account in the Portsmouth Police Department report. Not for what the mostly illegible one-sentence explanation said, but because of how it was written (see below).

While the officer on the scene reported Kennedy "appeared normal," such as it is, Patrick's handwriting looks like it was scrawled on a cocktail napkin at an open bar in a Gravitron. Or as Carr delicately put it, "It looks like it was written by a chimpanzee, or a 2-year-old. Or a Kennedy."

At least, writes Carr, it was only a fender-bender by Kennedy standards. "Not only did a single blonde not die, no one was even paralyzed or raped."

topsecretk9

--At least he's not a dry drunk. You know,
someone who quit drinking and shouldn't have.--

that is the lamest statement I have ever seen.

Squiggler

Kennedy just made a statement claiming he had consumed no alcohol prior to the accident. Uh huh! Like to see his tox screen ... oh that's right, they drove him home, there isn't one. How convenient.

Also OT

SEC. RUMSFELD: ...We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.

We know where they are.

Semanticleo

"that is the lamest statement I have ever seen."

Praise from Caesar

topsecretk9

Seman

it is. it is not only dumb, but weak and desperate.

brenda taylor

nothing like flouting your authority.

windansea

it is. it is not only dumb, but weak and desperate

Top...Cleo is still bitter that she won't be having my babies, and images of me and Sue frolicking on a deserted beach are driving her crazy.

Semanticleo

topsec;
No more lame, stupid, or desperate than the OT KennedyHate and street corner diatribes

topsecretk9

--topsec;
No more lame, stupid, or desperate than the OT KennedyHate and street corner diatribes--

Well you felt you needed to defend it, so apparently it wasn't as off topic as you'd like.

Sue

LOL.

Semanticleo

Just because I referenced the penultimate
'dry drunk' GWB, does not mean I'm defending
Kennedy. My virulent BushHate always takes
preference.

topsecretk9

At least he's not a dry drunk.

Tis to be better to be an active drunk ramming cars about, narrowly missing cops...than to be someone who quit drinking.

Well, at least by making the statement you've proven your consistency. Everything that happens in your world, a privileged Dem congressman gets in a car crash and special hush hush treatment or a hang nail, and all you can see is Bush...I guess he really is very powerful.

PeterUK

You're right Cement,"No more lame, stupid, or desperate than the OT KennedyHate and street corner diatribes"
I'm just relieved he kept off the bridge.

Lew Clark

He wasn't drunk because he didn’t kill or rape anyone, which is what Kennedy's do when they're drunk. I'm sure the officers checked for dead bodies or sexually assaulted live ones, found none, and concluded that he must be sober and drove him home.

Semanticleo

tpsec;

Can the phony outrage until you can retract
pecker tracks on a dress as 'high crimes and
misdemeanors"

cathyf

Nah, it was small matter of "suborning perjury" that was the "high crime." The seman was the misdemeanor.

(Damn it -- here we are at perjury, again. Does everything at JOM always end up at Plamania? Wonder what a "dry plameholic" looks like. I swear, I can quit any time!!!)

cathy :-)

topsecretk9

Ditto Dry. BTW...not my problem he couldn't keep his pecker in pants.

Forbes

So what's up with this David Shuster guy, is he a real reporter, or does he just play one on TeeVee?

Inquiring minds want to know.

PeterUK

Cement,
"Can the phony outrage until you can retract
pecker tracks on a dress as 'high crimes and
misdemeanors"

You talk about peckers like you have seen one.

Patton

Did Cheney tell Libby that:

Wilsons wife works at the CIA.

OR

that: Wilsons wife had him sent to Niger.

I may know that Wilsons wife is CIA, I may be SURPRISED by the fact they allowed her to engage in nepotism and send her spouse on a CIA mission.

As for the taping, it sounds like it could be an interview where there are background conversations, or it could be that SIR Official One is in the room with Colin Powell....

Patton

Mr. Tenent may have wanted to be a little caging with the little fact that they send nepotismic, unqualified, has been diplomats
trying to cook up private business on covert CIA missions (err, boondoggles) to answer key intelligence questions of the senior leaders of a country at war.


Its like Ike sending the three stooges after Hitler, then telling FDR he has his best men on the mission.

Patton

Even more confusing is the statement by Libbys' lawyer that a reporter told Libby that he learned of Plame from SIR Official One....

SO DOES LIBBY KNOW WHO OFFICIAL ONE IS OR NOT??

Alcibiades

I think it is a shame about David Shuster, now that his true self has been unleashed on Hardball.

When he worked at Fox News, I used to enjoy watching his coverage of the courthouse at the Clinton Impeachment trial. He was quite good then.

PeterUK

The real question that needs to be answered is,why did Val want to get Joe out of the way?

Kate

Schuster keeps getting more bizarre by the day and Matthews keeps egging him on congratulating him on his fine reporting.

Since Matthews likes to mock Bush congratulating the hacks around him-here goes

Schustie, you're doing a heck of a good job!

Semanticleo

"You talk about peckers like you have seen one."

S'ok if that's all you want to talk about,
but try to do it in private where your
ocd and penis envy will captivate your
analyst's imagination, and not infect the
rest of us.

topsecretk9

from Jefress

...First, there is the identify of a particular government official, obviously not in the White House, who told two reporters as early as mid-June of 2003 about Mrs. Wilson. ...


This presumably is Woodward and Novak...but I was not aware that Novak spoke to UGO as early as mid-June.

Makes Novak's chance meeting with Wilson's stranger friend on the street more interesting (which occurred July 7th or 8th I think). When asked by this friend Novak immediately blabbed all the details...if Novak blabbed all these details to a perfect stranger on the street and he originally learned all this a full month before...think of all the other people Novak blabbed the details to.

So say you are another journo and you learn this from Novak, armed with all that you can easily find Plame (and her name)...

Also, Libby says he learned from reporters...well if Novak starts the rumor mill from UGO then, yeah...all the reporters knew.

Sue

When did Mary McCarthy go to work in the IG's office? Do we know?

PeterUK

Cement,
"You talk about peckers like you have seen one."
You brought it up young lady,this is not the time to start having your Freudian lapses.

clarice

ts--that's the point Libby is arguing.
Sue, as far as I know we are still in the dark.

Sue

This is a minor point, but I thought semantic leo was a male.

Sue

Priest's 2005 prison story was hardly more than a rehash of the earlier 2002 story. In 2002, torture was the theme, it was reworked to secret prisons in 2005. If McCarthy was a source for the 2002 story, would she have been in the IG's office? I don't know the timeline of when she went back to the CIA.

Sue

Wikipedia says she returned to the CIA in 2005.

sad

********Wouldn’t it be odd if McCarthy was the Plame leaker and not the secret prisons leaker? She (McCarthy) would have been in a position to know or run into them socially through her CIP connections. ***********

Left by crosspatch on May 4th, 2006 at Aj strata

windansea

This is a minor point, but I thought semantic leo was a male.

hmmm...email addy is first name Dana, followed by 2 last names, I'm feeling it's a hyphenated man hater Hamster sort who likes to talk about knobs and peckers and is probably gender confused

topsecretk9

Hey, what's with all this internet airbrushing?


Rick just did an American Thinker piece, linking the Aspen Strategy Group and now Judy Miller and Richard Amritage (in the Emeritus column) have been removed...that's Epic Bio, Mary McCarthy from CIP too...What up?

Sue

sad,

What I'm trying to piece together is why Fitzgerald is not willing to turn over the referral letter. The only downside I can see, without seeing it of course, is either she wasn't covert and the whole investigation was a boondoggle, to borrow a phrase, or they don't want Libby to see a name and/or names on the letter. Wouldn't it be a hoot if she was involved in the referral? If she was even there, which is why I'm trying to figure it out. I haven't found anything that says she was there in 2003. I think she was at CSIS at that time. Among interesting names at CSIS I found Scowcroft.

Squiggler

You talk about peckers like you have seen one.You talk about peckers like you have seen one.

Peter, you owe me a new keyboard.

Sue --- a girlie girl

clarice

ts--the articles change every day as a rule. I found this on search page..Isn't this the article you wanted? http://americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5422&search=Rick

sad

The referral letter has to contain some bombshell or why would he make such a big deal of not producing it?

Sue

I keep putting this thought I'm having in writing and so far I can't articulate what I'm speculating. Think about Aspens and clusters in Libby's letter. And then think about all of the people on the sidelines in this. Roots.

clarice

"They all turn [yellow] at the same time"

Sue

OMG, Top. Is Rick thinking my thoughts? Thanks. I'm headed over there to see if he is headed down my path.

Sue

Larry Johnson? Talk about making my day if he is one of those who is hauled in front of Libby's lawyers.

Rick is sort of working from the direction I'm leaning, but he didn't read my mind. ::grin::

clarice

Ah, I misread you ts..Yes, a whole lot of aribrushing going on--but it's all been cached, I'm sure.

topsecretk9

---s--the articles change every day as a rule. I found this on search page..Isn't this the article you wanted? http://americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5422&search=Rick---


Clarice, I wasn't clear, but on the the actual Aspen Institute page...Judy Miller and Richard Armitage were listed under the Emeritus members column for years now and up until a week or 2 ago and JUST THOSE 2 NAMES have been removed.


That's why I mentioned the Epic Bio ( married to the former Valerie Plame-- was on the site until at least Jan/Feb of this year and only that has been removed and then after the Mary McCarthy story came out CIP removed her)

topsecretk9

Oh, ok nevermind last post.

clarice

I love the public interest side of tv--Tonight Hannity and Colmes--undoubtedly to emphasize the serious problem of gorgeous women teachers seducing middle schoolers--is showing a video of a porno video one sent to a student..

kim

Semanticleo speaks of 'dry drunks' like someone who hasn't a friend in recovery. That's too bad, because some of my best friends, etc. He doesn't know what he is missing out on. Then again, maybe he does have friends in recovery and he's just a desperate hypocrite, willing to say anything as long as he perceives it landing a a blow on Bush. Pitiful display of character.
==================================

PeterUK

This is the product of a far more subtle mind than a dogsbody like Plame, a second rater like Wilson,or even a nutter like Larry,this has come from someone like the Director of Intelligence Programs

sad

Peter

Ya mean the big DIP?

Patton

What I would like to know is what did NOC Plame say when husband said he was planning to write an article for the NYT leaking his status as a part time CIA agent............

1. What the F*** is wrong with you, do you want to get me killed!!

2. That's nice dear.

PeterUK

Sad,
Well someone had to give Plame to go ahead to employ her husband,someone who regarded Plame as an expendable pawn in the game,who regarded Wilson as the mercenary that he was.
Someone furthermore who was aginst the invasion of Iraq in general and the Bush administration in particular.
Someone who was in a position to make sure a referal went to the DOJ in an attempt to strip the presidents closest allies away from him.

MayBee

Poor Libby, probably encouraged Judy to talk knowing that she could exonerate him as the leaker.

Entanglements indeed.

topsecretk9

What I would like to know is what did NOC Plame say when husband said he was planning to write an article for the NYT leaking his status as a part time CIA agent............

...OR ...3

clarice

Berger to Beers to McCarthy..Sounds like a good title "The three turncoats"

Squiggler

Clarice, did you hear them talking about how that woman should get 25 years to life? I am the first to call for harsh penalties against child molesters, but somehow I cannot get excited about these young women and these pubescent raging hormone boys. She has been violated now on her probabtion, and for what ... according to the news, scarring this kid for life. The fact that his 17 year old sister was acting as the go between and the woman wasn't doing anything more than a sexy provocative dance that you can see every day in a Britney Spears video makes it even more egregious to suggest she spend life in prison. I would be the only scarring going on is the razzing this kid is getting from his peers and the knowledge he lives with a really crazy Mom.

topsecretk9

Clarice

Did you see the link I left (it was late) but it was a letter signed by Priest's husband his group(CIP) and the Head of "EPIC" to Sec. Mad. NotBright in 2000 (on some Nuc type issue)

Thought it was interesting Goodfellow was obviously cozy/collaborates with EPIC before, so surely Dana special invitation (and passed it on to her WAPO "War Group" colleagues)

Syl

Not only do we not know when MoM got her position in IG, we don't know who was instrumental in bringing her back.

Nor do we know what IG employee may have left (and why) that created an opening or left a hole that MoM was put there to replace.

brenda taylor

how many ig are in place at any given time .is there a group or what.maby someone referred her to tenet.

Squiggler

I should have asked this question weeks ago, but does anyone have a good answer as to why Tenet gets what seems to me to be a complete pass.

Sue

How odd. VIPS does not have a website, but their email address is vips@counterpunch.org, and their open letter appears to have been published at CounterPunch (run by Alexander Cockburn, the Nation columnist) http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/04/25/cia-vs-the-white-house-the-vips-connection/>RWN. A neat little connection for David Corn to have direct access to information on Wilson without talking to Wilson.

topsecretk9

Sue

What were you and Rick discussing in reference to the Tides Foundation? Do you recall?

Sue

Part of my above post should have included some quotes. I left them out. Plagarism was not my intention. ::grin::

"VIPS does not have a website, but their email address is vips@counterpunch.org, and their open letter appears to have been published at CounterPunch (run by Alexander Cockburn, the Nation columnist)"

Sue

Top,

No. I remember seeing something on the Tides Foundation, but I don't think I contributed to it. Of course, if you put up a post where I was in the deep middle of it, I will have to claim the Libby defense. ::grin::

clarice

I think Tides contributed to one of the web organizations in the CIP chain.I think Soros does, too.Activitscash.com carries all the organizations funded by Tides..

Squiggler

TITLE NAME ROOM PHONE
Inspector General Rebecca R. Donegan (Acting) 2X30 (703) 874-2555
Deputy IG Rebecca R. Donegan 2X30 (703)874-2556
Counsel to the IG George W. Clarke 2X30 (703)874-2557
Assistant IG for Audit Eric Feldman 2X30 (703)613-0940
Assistant IG for Inspections Dawn Ellison 2X30 (703)874-2570
Assistant IG for Investigations Daniel S. Seikaly 2X30 (703)874-2600
Chief, Policy & Planning
& PCIE/ECIE Liaison Julie Ramey 2X30 (703)874-5368

PeterUK

Squiggler,
Makes some of us feel quite deprived,not being "scarred" like that.

Squiggler

Sorry this part got cut off from above:

Inspector General
CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
Room 2X30 New Headquarters
Washington, D.C. 20505

FAX Number:

(703)734-9649

INTERNET ADDRESS:

Julie Ramey juliebr@ucia.gov

Squiggler

Peter, that's what my son said to me.

Sue

Squiggler,

Where did you find that?

clarice

Activist cash used to have more detailed financials online--Here's a general overview of Tides. http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/225 You will see Fenton Communications on here. It is the media operation for all the lefty groups, including IIRC CIP and the group that manages Wilson's speaking engagements.

Charlie (Colorado)

Isn't the Tides Foundation Teresa Heinz Kerry's thing?

topsecretk9

HAH! HAH! HAH!

Dana Priest's Husband, William Goodfellow the Executive Director of Center for International Policy (which we already know)...but CIP runs ... WinWithoutWar

Win Without War's fiscal agent is the Center for International Policy (CIP).

HAH! Guess who sponsored *Epic* Wilson Lobby Day -- in which he (with Ray McGovern lovingly by his side) informed attendees --on June 14, 2003 he was the un-named (calling Mr. Fitz, no one knew before July 6th you say?) AMBASS quoted in the NYT's and London papers, and said he thought the story had legs?

The Iraq Forum, training and grassroots lobbying would have been impossible without the special support of: ADAMS Center, Amnesty International–USA, Arab American Institute, Church of the Brethren Washington Office, Fellowship of Reconciliation, Friends Committee on National Legislation, Fourth Freedom Forum, the Methodist General Board of Church and Society, NETWORK – a Catholic Social Justice Lobby, OxFam America, Pax Christi USA, Peace Action, and Win Without War.


topsecretk9

WARNING, last link is to PDF -- sorry (last page)

PeterUK

Although as left as they come Alexander Cockburn has an interesting take on Plame divulgence.

brenda taylor

wasnt there also another ig or higher up at the cia besides goss and mom that took the polygraph test.wasnt his name helgerson where is he.

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