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May 15, 2006

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ordi

IMO, Larry and Joe are attempting to practicing "Death by a thousnad cuts". They see this as an opportunity to weaken Bush and Rove. The only thing Bush and Rove have said is they would not comment on the ongoing investigation. So Larry and Joey are taking the ball and running with it.

As for a Rove indict, I predict June 31st :-)

Chants

TSK9 was on top of the timely sighting of Larry over at the democratic underground, Sue.

Check out Seixon.com for a comprehensive run-down.

kim

It is indeed a dread thought Peter, that if they pull this off and come back into power, we'll have a tough four years. More likely a tough first year in the next Republican President's tenure after four disastrous years of pandering to a phoy internationalism.
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Dwilkers

Yeah ole LJ really put the smack-down on poor Seixon.

Larry Johnson: "Again, you are a moron. And are banned."

Talk about getting pwnt! I bet Seixon is hiding in the cabinet under the sink right now.

Other Tom

Just for the record, disclosing federal grand jury information is not a crime, it is simply a violation of Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. It is punishable (I believe) only by civil contempt proceedings. Also, it should be kept in mind that the Rule is only binding on the grand jurors and the prosecutorial and court staffs. Once the cat is out of the bag, outsiders are free to disseminate the information. If someone in the prosecutor's office gives a heads-up to a defense attorney, I don't believe that a violation has occurred.

PeterUK

"Larry Johnson: "Again, you are a moron. And are banned."

Old Larry has a very limited vocabulary does he not? Why did he get booted out of the CIA,did he fail his anger management assessment?

Chants

Err..umm.

That wasn't Larry. It was me making a parody of Larry.

Apologies to everyone.

Patton

JM """Almost nothing really squares""

Yes, reading it, it sounds like an idiot trying to sound like a legal beagle and not pulling it off.


By the way, David Shuster has confirmed, Karl Rove was seen eating a ham sandwhich at lunch today.

David reported it may mean more then one indictment.......

kim

Chants, I'm sure he's said it to Seixon; he's banned several miscreants from here.

Peter, Larry was a moron, so the CIA banned him.
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windansea

update:

there is a 70% chance that I will be using honey mustard

Dwilkers

Ah. Well having read ole' Larry's blog a couple of times I have to say you have him down pat Chants.

Not that its all that hard (no offense). Just two lines to memorize and all.

paul

Are you talking about this Larry Johnson?

"I don't want to be named as a woman beater, ... That's not who I am, not how I was raised.”

http://en.thinkexist.com/quotes/larry_johnson/2.html

Just kidding...

Sue

So Seixon has touched a nerve. That is when Scary Larry responds. When you touch a nerve. ::grin::

Patton

Lucy Ramirez will be distributing the Rove indictment right after Fitz and Bill Burketts presser..

topsecretk9

I think Wilson and Johnson have always been Leopold's main sources, that's why Leopold has no problem printing false story after false story - Leopold gets called the mat? Well, it's what Wilson (the bearer of all things honest right?) has been telling, not his fault Wilson's been fibbing to him.

If you follow TalkLefts posts, she talks to Luskin (rude late at night on weeked), then when the story gets even wobbly Jason says he will out his sources if the report is wrong and then?

Up pops Larry out of the blue (as a thrid time poster at DU? Not hie won blog?, even DU'ers aren't sure it is him) getting a jump start on outing WIlson and noting Leopold has 3 sources (as in, not just me and Joe) -


here is the order of Larry

DU 1
--It is not just Jason Leopold. Joe Wilson heard the same from other sources. And, more importantly, Jason is reporting based on multiple, more than two, sources. His editors realized what a big story this is and did the appropriate checking before posting. They are called Truth Out for a reason. Getting the truth out--

DU 2

--I, Larry Johnson, owner of NoQuarter.typepad.com, do solemnly swear that I am the one who posted the piece re Jason Leopold. Check it out on my blog. I spoke with Joe yesterday. We're all hopeful that the sources who spoke to Jason and Joe separately aren't doing drugs of some sort.
LJ--

Sexion-

--Seixon,
You moron. You could never be an intel analyst. You're only good at leaping at conclusions. Try this on for size--I did not know about Jason's story until he posted it on Truth Out. Truth, try it sometime, you might like it.--


TL -
--Joe heard the same things but not from Jason. If these multiple sources are lying then I certainly hope Jason outs their a*s.--

Damage control on his goof-ball statements?

I especially like how he tells Seixion that he had no knowledge of jason report AFTER he informs DUer's how through his colleague at truthout's appropriate checking...and I love how he has to s e p e r a t e Joe from Jason after he pretty much tells us Joe is Jason's source.

clarice

I thought last night that even these set backs would not dampen the faith of the Cargo Cultists. Now I wonder.

topsecretk9

--hie won--

his own.

topsecretk9

Also, when Larry says

----Joe heard the same things but not from Jason. If these multiple sources are lying then I certainly hope Jason outs their a*s.-----

Why doesn't Joe out their asses, since they are TELLING HIM the same thing?

Sue

Chants,

He has actually said those exact words to me. In fact, he actually banned me for making fun of him making fun of me. I misspelled literary and when I told him that pointing out people's typos mostly just bites you on your hiney and pointed out he misspelled ambassador, he finally banned me. ::grin:: He deleted all of my posts that were too close to the truth for him. That is why I know Seixon touched a nerve.

Larry,Your Ass is Grass Johnson

Right that's, it you are all morons,you are banned,get off this site.

PeterUK

"Jason is reporting based on multiple, more than two, sources. "

This is a nice touch the DUers are so dumb, he has to explain the meaning of "multiple"

Pete

Talking of Iran - the Iraq war is the best thing that happened to them in years. Their sworn enemy is gone. The Iraqi government has already made overtures to them and made deals on trade and military cooperation. And there was a visit by the Iraqi Prime Minister and his eight cabinet members to Tehran in 2005. Oil has gone through the roof providing the Iranian mullahs with loads of cash.

The United Iraqi Alliance which received 140 seats in the 275 seat National Assembly has many members and parties that lived in exile in Iran and support the 1979 Islamic Revolution. The former Iraqi Prime Minister (who is still a heavyweight within the party) has lived for several years in Iran, and when he went there last year he paid a visit to Khomeini's tomb and placed a wreath there.

kim

Don't worry, Pete, Sistani has all that well in hand. The Iranian ayatollahs have much more to fear from incipient democracy spreading east than the Iraqis do of theocracy spreading west. But, aren't you disappointed?

Spits.
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Dwilkers

Hey I know!

Next time we do a field trip let's go to LJ's blog. There could be a contest to see who gets called a moron first, first to be banned, etc.

Pete

I am not disappointed. It is for the Iraqis and the Iranians to choose whichever way they want to live together.

paul

Anybody catch the Simpsons last night?

The George Will stuff was hysterical.

kim

Three quarters of the candidates in the last Iranian election quit rather than deal with the Revolutionary Guards. It is for the Iranian autocracy to decide if they want to live in a civil community of nations; the people already do.
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Neo

Joe Wilson probably found the story in his "Sent" basket, but then "misspoke" when he said it was in his "Inbox."

Sue

I'm already banned. ::grin::

kim

Dwilkers, it's really not sporting over there. Too much like dynamite in a pond.
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Pete

kim - That is a good point, but you are ignoring the fact that the Iraq war strengthened the hands of the mullahs. More oil money now, sworn enemy gone, more influence with a neighbor, etc.

JM Hanes

PeterUK

"This is a nice touch the DUers are so dumb, he has to explain the meaning of "multiple"

Meaning = not just Joe and me, you morons!

Seixon

Oh man, I am having a good laugh at all the comments here. I've been corresponding with Johnson per email recently, and I will probably write another post soon to gather the thoughts I have from the last few hours.

Sue

Seixon,

I just have to know. Does he call you a moron in your email exchanges?

kim

Saddam was no longer much threat to them. Higher prices do benefit them as well as others. Iran is isolated now as the most thuggish local element. A net negative clearly for the mullahs. Why do you think they've let a mad man be their voice? Desperate, I say, desperate.

Kerry was another Carter for them, and now they've got Russia and China wary. Time and tide slipped from them. There was quite a crescent from Pakistan to Libya and now the most treacherous of the bunch is isolated in the middle.
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kim

Please, do not bother Herat.
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Seixon

No, but he does toss in "naive", "misinformed", "inexperienced", "beyond hope", "ignorance", "idiotic", and so on...

He did say I am a young fellow with a fairly bright mind, which echoes his statements at TPMCafe that I was talented (at lying).

Heh.

kim

It is easy to understand why Ararat was considered the highest mountain on earth. From the south its aspect is breathtaking.
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kim

Penguin suited smugglers bulging, still and sweating.
Smiling but,
Busted anyway, obscure border tax payment failing.
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clarice

seixon, I have to hand it to you. You got out with the tangled incestuous tale faster than anyone. Now, can we find a CIA file clerk involved so we can claim Leopold outed here on the basis of leaks from Wilson and LJ? I want to crank up the hurdy gurdy one more time.

kim

Please, C, don't sneer at one of my ambitions. Monkeys are expensive, you know.
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Larry,Your Ass is Grass Johnson

I did not say "indicted",it was a misprint,my word was "inducted",Karl Rove has been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

kim

Sometimes I wonder a little about the loyalty within the VIPS. Sure, it's political, but a lot of them seem to know Val. Do the roots all connect at the cornecopia?
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kim

Can U cope with a spelling error?
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kim

And he has 24 hours to get his act together.
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JM Hanes

I've been scavanging up some bits & pieces for our amusement while we're loitering about, waiting for our designated 24 (business) hours to pass. Don't forget that the offical business day is only 8 hours long! A fact which will, no doubt, be pointed out by Leopold's cabal of truthseekers any moment now, if they haven't already manned that rampart.

In a Yahoo report on Rove's apparently indefatigable good spirits, Watergate purp turned gadfly, John Dean, puts that cheery countenance into perspective for us:

"If Rove is operating as if nothing is going to happen, it is because he has been told nothing is going to happen," Dean said. "Otherwise, he is faking it, and others are protecting him.

Stop the Presses! Howard Kurtz tells us Leopold's publisher has cancelled his book. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy....

In Leopold's Friday headliner Rove Informs White House He Will Be Indicted, this paragraph seemed eerily familar:

Details of Rove's discussions with the president and Bolten have spread through the corridors of the White House where low-level staffers and senior officials were trying to determine how the indictment would impact an administration that has been mired in a number of high-profile political scandals for nearly a year, said a half-dozen White House aides and two senior officials who work at the Republican National Committee.

It was the same allusion to a "low-level staffers and senior officials" gabfest (gripefest?) that I found myself wondering about nearly seven months ago, in a WaPo piece by VandeHei & Leonnig . You can also "read the whole thing," as the saying goes, over at
Truthout, where, oddly enough, it was reproduced in full. Similarities abound throughout, but maybe that's because Leopold isn't the only one posting the same stories over & over again.

It certainly looks like CNN's caught the recycling bug. They seem to think that Fitz is Closing in on Cheney

The prosecution's court papers also stated that Cheney told Libby around June 12, 2003, that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA, a month before her identity was outed.
Who knew?

maryrose

Chris Matthews had Mike Isikoff and Eric Lichenblau on to talk about the CIA Val Plame case. At the end he asked Mike any indictments coming down? and Mike says" no, we haven't heard anything." Shuster attempted a time-line but big push was made about Cheney writing in the margins. Eric thought this was an orchestrated attempt and why Libby would lie to gj. Very shaky ground and a thin premise. I consider it admirable restraint that Shuster and Matthews didn't lead with the Rove Indicted story. Obviously they felt that one was over the top. Then to appear balanced Chris had Nicole Wallace on to talk about immigration reform and President Bush's speech which is the STORY of the day but you would never know it on Hardball.

Patton

So where is the Lamestream media headline:

DEFENSE SAYS EVIDENCE WILL PROVE PLAME OUTED BY JOE WILSON ON FIVE OCCASIONS!

Patton

I am starting to think the left just likes to report Rove indictments so they can smoke a few joints and go on-line eating cheetos all night and plan what they want to protest tomorrow.

Sara (Squiggler)

Next time we do a field trip let's go to LJ's blog. There could be a contest to see who gets called a moron first, first to be banned, etc.

dwilkers, let me know and I'll tag along for a field trip, afterall I've already been accused of being mentally deranged and a bigot (ask Gary Maxwell) so my reputation can proceed me and I should fit right in.

maryrose

Patton:
that will come as the wicked witch of the west told Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz"All in good time, my pretty,all in good time"

Kate

We know that Leopold likes to, er, borrow things. Maybe he lifted the paragraph from VandeHei. I don't think he has real sources in the White House, except LJ's friend, the one who dines with Hadley.

Sara (Squiggler)

So where is the Lamestream media headline:

DEFENSE SAYS EVIDENCE WILL PROVE PLAME OUTED BY JOE WILSON ON FIVE OCCASIONS!

Where is the headline reading:

JOE WILSON INDICTED FOR LYING AND COSTING THE GOVERNMENT MILLIONS IN INVESTGATORY EXPENSES

Sara (Squiggler)

**** LYING and OUTING ****
**** INVESTIGATORY ****

maryrose

Wilson's comeuppance is coming and it is going to be sweet!

Seixon

VIPS is of course 100% behind the Wilsons. Johnson has known Val since he was in the CIA nearly 2 decades ago, and has since gotten to know Joe. I'd imagine that Ray McGovern and others in VIPS are pretty good friends with them as well. So it's not as if we should take anything any of them say as if it were anything other than pro-Wilson biased spin.

Tom Maguire

Actually, the WH is planning on finding Natalie Holloway in Iraq, late October 06.

With a WMD. And an Al Qaeda training manual. And a "Go Pelosi" button.

JM Hanes

TM has pointed out the derivative quality of "Me-Too" Journalism before.

I've begun to think that the real reason the press uses so many anonymous sources is because they've been cutting and pasting from each other so long now, nobody actually knows who the sources really are, or were, any more.

Specter

Just posted the following in comments at truthout. Wish me luck....


Now the former Los Angeles Times and Dow Jones reporter has written a book, "Off the Record," that criticizes journalists as lazy. Oh, and by the way, Leopold says he engaged in "lying, cheating and backstabbing," is a former cocaine addict, served time for grand larceny, repeatedly tried to kill himself and has battled mental illness his whole life.

"I'm devastated," Leopold said yesterday. "I worked really hard these past two years to restore my credibility after the Salon fiasco. . . . I have a checkered past, and I was hoping that by coming clean about my own past, it would allow me to move forward."

cathyf
JOE WILSON INDICTED FOR LYING and OUTING AND COSTING THE GOVERNMENT MILLIONS IN INVESTIGATORY EXPENSES
Much as that would make me feel good, I have to admit that the millions in investigatory expenses is one thing he's not guilty of. That's a crime which other people have responsibility for. And I'm not in favor of letting them off the hook!

cathy :-)

clarice

Seriously, if you were Munchausedn and wanted to use another journo to forward your crap, who would be better than a guy with a past like Leopold's?

Jason, honey they took you for a ride. Spill it all to momma and it'll get better.

Sara (Squiggler)

Thank you for correcting my mistakes and rewording the HEADLINE ...

That's a crime which other people have responsibility for. And I'm not in favor of letting them off the hook!

So how 'bout:
WILSON, COOPER AND RUSSERT INDICTED FOR LYING and OUTING AND COSTING THE GOVERNMENT MILLIONS IN INVESTIGATORY EXPENSES

PeterUK

Clarice,
Offer him money,a spot on the funny pages of American Thinker.He only wants fame and wealth.

Kate

JM Hanes: Exactly. I'm now convinced that Leopold and Shuster share the same source or Leopold is Shuster's source.

For example, in a report on a blog that reviews Leopold's articles (SEIXON), Leopold had an article in October on Fitzgerald's broadening his investigation to review pre-war intelligence. Shuster had a breathless report almost the same day on the same topic.

Sue

Seixon,

One of the things Larry didn't want to discuss with me by deleting it almost as soon as I posted it was just how long he has known Joe Wilson and Valerie P. He came out of the starting gates in their defense with lots of knowledge about someone he only knew as Valerie P until, according to Larry, he realized the Valerie Plame was really his very own Valerie P. When I asked him about how he knew so much so quickly, enough to become the instant "go to" person on all things Joe and Val, he deleted my post. He only deletes that which he considers getting too close to the truth, from what I've seen over there, anyway.

Sue

Kate,

Has anyone actually seen Jason Leopald? Maybe he is really Shuster... ::grin::

clarice

I won't say the goddess has her ways, but just a few days ago JL emailed Rick Moran and called me a word that starts with c and rhymes with bunt because I questioned his credibility.

Dwilkers

Leopold has been exachanging notes with some folks about the problems he is having with his story.

OpEdNews

Among other things he says:

"I have now been turned into the story—again. Robert Luskin and Mark Corallo, Rove’s attorney and spokesman, are liars. Damned liars. I have five sources on this."

and later

"I am amazed that the blogosphere would lend credence to the statements of people who have consistently lied about Rove’s role in this case. This is a White House that denied Rove’s involvement in the leak. This is a White House that has lied and lied and lied."

That last tells you about Mr. Leopold's objectivity (in case like me you don't know much of anything about him).

JM Hanes

Specter

It gets better! When Maviglio called to complain about being maligned, he says Leopold responded, "I could use the publicity if you want to make something of it."

Now (or just in public?), however, according to Kurtz, Leopold blames his...

...publisher. In recent e-mails to associates, he said he never wrote the offending language about Maviglio in his book. Instead, Leopold says, the company's publicist took that and other material from his book proposal, not the finished manuscript.
But wait, Kurtz has more:
"If news of this controversy leaks out to the media, it will virtually destroy my writing career, both as a journalist and author, in my opinion," Leopold wrote in a Feb. 28 e-mail.

Ya think? We should be so lucky. Actually, we should probably be buying in some crow, just in case his dreams actually come true for a change. This tomcat may only be working on Life #7.

Dwilkers

I won't say the goddess has her ways, but just a few days ago JL emailed Rick Moran and called me a word that starts with c and rhymes with bunt because I questioned his credibility.

Ah what a nice guy. Down here where I live a guy does that he better run like a raped ape.

Kate

Wonder who his sources are? Besides LJ, any guesses?

Lurker

ROFL!!

Good for you to question his credibility. Did you privately question Larry Johnson's credibility, btw? ;)

Chants

LJ, Joe WIlson, and Marc Grossman.

Cecil Turner

Do we have any other source besides Leopold for the Grossman= Mr 1x2x6? Or do we need to re-think that bit as well?

Lurker

Check the latest Merritt post:

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014847.html

Luskin Denies Truth of Leopold Article on Karl Rove Indictment.

Is there something wrong with title, btw?

clarice

My recollection is foggy but I think it's implicit in Libby's recent filings.(Although IIRC one element of his claim was a Truthout piece).

PeterUK

Sue,
Jason Leopold Now you know why he is so bitter.

Lurker

Huh?

Double quotes around "no truth whatsoever" in number 3?

Apparently, they still believe that Leopold's sources are correct.

kim

It also fits with the rest of his treachery. Quite a little box he's built there. Is it in feet?
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Lurker

Interesting responses to the new Luskin post at talkleft. Now they're saying, "Don't trust Jason Leopold".

Lurker

And Jason's still sticking to his story:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_rob_kall_060515_jason_leopold_update.htm

"Rob

I have now been turned into the story—again. Robert Luskin and Mark Corallo, Rove’s attorney and spokesman, are liars. Damned liars. I have five sources on this. In the news business when you want to discredit a reporter and an explosive report you call the spokesman and get him to issue a denial. My reports have gone way beyond the spokesman and the lawyer to get to the truth. I am SHOCKED that the mainstream have followed this up by simply calling a spokesman.

Best

Jason Leopold"

kim

He's got 5 sources and no one else has any. A nest of vipers, exposed to the light and air.
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Other Tom

I just posted Kurtz's quote about Leopold's background over at Crazy Larry's site. It will be interesting to see how long it stays up.

Lurker

5 sources: Toe Joe Wilson, Larry Johnson, Valerie Plame, Marc Grossman, who else?

Does it mean that Fitz is a good friend with any of them?

PeterUK

"Robert Luskin and Mark Corallo, Rove’s attorney and spokesman, are liars. Damned liars."

Which one is going to sue first?

Sue

Peter,

It won't open for me.

Kate

American Spectator Blog has postings that report Leopold used a false identity when he called Corallo. He used a British reporter's name and the reporter was quite miffed that Leopold used his name.

clarice

And collect against which deep pocket? Leopold? Truthout? LOL

boris

It's all a Rovian diversion so nobody sees the iceberg.

topsecretk9

BIG News: A Brit Impersonator - Monday, May 15, 2006 @ 5:54:01 PM

In the blog post immediately below, I report on the apparent false identity scam used, according to our friend Mark Corallo, by lefty blogger Jason Leopold, in the course of spreading apparently false stories to the effect that Karl Rove had been indicted. Now it gets even better/weirder: In the course of talking to Corallo under the identity of a reporter for a British publication (conversations Leopold himself reported on, but without the little detail about having used an alias), Leopold gave Corallo a number to call back on. When Corallo tried back, Corallo said, the number didn't work. Well, just in the few minutes since I posted the tale below, I got the following e-mail from Corallo:
"Gets better – at 4:00 p.m. today I got a call from a guy named Joel Loria of the London Sunday Times!! He was a bit miffed (to say the least) that Leopold used his name. And the phone number was one digit off!"


This is really getting fun! Calling Janet Cooke, in addition to Jayson Blair and Stephen Glass.....

Posted By: Quin Hillyer

Sorry no time to html link:

http://www.spectator.org/blogger.asp?BlogID=2868

Lurker

Try the URL tag here:

[url=http://http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_rob_kall_060515_jason_leop]Jason Leopold[/url]

JM Hanes

Dwilkers

In the perpendicular to reality world, Corallo is Rove's official spokesman, ergo he's a liar. Of course, it doesn't help that "Deny, Deny, Deny" is Numero Uno in the Official Spokesman's Handbook.

It should be clear before too long whether Leopold got it right, got it partly right, got it wrong, got used, or got nothing. I say should advisedly. If Rove's still standing at the end of the week, I think it's worth challenging Truthout directly to publish the truth, the whole truth & nothing but on this one, whether or not Leopold himself proves willing to out his sources.

PeterUK

Sue,Try">http://www.justresponse.net/jason_leopold_2.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.justresponse.net/Leopold_4.html&h=165&w=128&sz=8&tbnid=R6sEjpSglnFC9M:&tbnh=93&tbnw=72&hl=en&start=56&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJason%2BLeopold%26start%3D40%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official_s%26sa%3DN"> this.He has a face that only a mother weasel could love.

topsecretk9


Here is the first post...


VERY Weird Rove/Corallo Story - Monday, May 15, 2006 @ 5:38:31 PM

I spoke today with Mark Corallo, PR man and straight shooter extraordinaire, who told me a whale of a story about the whole crazy rumor over the weekend (on Lefty blogs) that Karl Rove had been indicted and would resign. Rather than repeat the whole thing, let me give you this left-leaning blog site, Talkleft, which has the full run-down (a run-down Corallo himself confirmed to me was accurate). The long and short of it is that it seems as if the lefty blogger who first reported the indictment story not only got it all wrong, but then (according to Corallo) represented himself under a false identity to Corallo. More from Byron York on this here. This has the whiff of Jason Blair/Stephen Glass stuff. Stay tuned.

Posted By: Quin Hillyer

Lurker

Interesting email from a lawyer in Michigan:

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005195.htm

Guess MTLA is looking to collect against some deep pockets, huh?

PeterUK

Clarice,
Think Democrat,use the law to close them down.

Kate

JMHanes: You are way too generous to Leopold. He has been saying that Rove will be indicted any day now for months.

If Rove is indicted Wednesday or Friday, that does not vindicate Leopold.

The whole story he spread around has to be true. And the 24 hours are up.

Sue

Peter,

I thought he would have warts on his nose or something. ::grin::

Lurker

But, Kate, Jason Leopold said that Rove is already indicted as of last Saturday.

kim

I'm not sure who will sue first, but Joel Loria will collect first.
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