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May 15, 2006

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Kate

Lurker-maybe the 24 hours was a courtesy so Rove could give his speech today.

That's right, it would have to be a sealed indictment done last week. No wiggle room for Leopold.

JM Hanes

PeterUK

The article is even better than the photo. Leopold confesses, "Its official: I’m a conspiracy theorist," and then, as if to remove all doubt, he mutters darkly, "It’s not safe to have such a healthy dose of skepticism these days."

Of course, who knows what the crowd in here really looks like? There must be a reason we're all online instead of meeting in a bar after work.....

PeterUK

Sue,
But would you want to meet that in a dark alley? BTW Does that look like a prison picture?

Lurker

Hey, just read Clarice's new article about Comey. Clarice, what about Andrew McCarthy's new report submitted to the Federalist Society?

http://www.fed-soc.org/pdf/terroristsurveillance.pdf

(Warning: 136 pages!)

Yup. And a sealed indictment means Fitz would have had an announcement...when? The same day an indictment was filed?

PeterUK

JMH,
I just thought you were all covert.

Sue

Peter,

Would I date him? Hell no. But, just as I told Scary Larry that pointing out typos bites your own hiney, pointing out others not looking as good as I do is not good manners either. ::grin::

Seixon

Oh my, I just got the funniest e-mail from Larry. I'm not sure if I can stop laughing.

maryrose

PeterUK
From a psychological point of view ,
Leopold looks unbalanced.

Sue

Seixon,

Either share or I'm coming through this screen to choke you to death...

Lurker

Seixon, What, what, what?

One other thing about Jason Leopold's Saturday article was where was Karl Rove last Friday?

"During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 business hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning...

but?

Speaking on condition of anonymity Friday night, sources confirmed Rove's indictment was imminent."

So, shall we play the "Where was Carmen" game? Only replace "Carmen" with "Karl", "Fitz", "Luskin", "Patton Boggs", etc.????

Lurker

hhhmmm....Marc Ash decided to run Jason's Saturday story:

http://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2006/5/15/131745/161

" Mon May 15th, 2006 at 02:04:04 PM EDT :: Bush

On Saturday afternoon, we ran a breaking story titled, "Karl Rove Indicted on Charges of Perjury, Lying to Investigators." We assumed that we were well ahead of the mainstream media and that we would be subsequently questioned. Right on both counts.

What everyone is asking right now is how accurate is the story? Has Rove in fact been indicted? The story is accurate, and Karl Rove's attorneys have been served with an indictment.

In short, we had two sources close to the Fitzgerald investigation who were explicit about the information that we published, and a former high-ranking state department official who reported communication with a source who had "direct knowledge" of the meeting at Patton Boggs. In both instances, substantial detail was provided and matched.

We had confirmation. We ran the story."

Note date of post.

boris

If Grossman's involved who wants to bet the Libby team ran a sting to establish the existance of a conspiracy to set him up.

Kate

Lurker--incorrect terminology and third hand sources. As noted earlier, indictments are filed, not served.

The former State Department official has a source (notice he isn't the source, he has a source) who had direct knowledge (what does that mean)of the meeting.

So a government has been knows someone who says they have direct knowledge of a meeting.

JM Hanes

One of the commenters at TalkLeft pointed out a renewed vote of confidence in Leopold from the powers that be over at Truthout. As of 2:04:04 they were still vigorously defending both their decision to publish and the story itself:

How Accurate Was the 'Rove Indicted' Story?

By Marc Ash,

Mon May 15th, 2006 at 02:04:04 PM EDT :: Bush

On Saturday afternoon, we ran a breaking story titled, "Karl Rove Indicted on Charges of Perjury, Lying to Investigators." We assumed that we were well ahead of the mainstream media and that we would be subsequently questioned. Right on both counts.

What everyone is asking right now is how accurate is the story? Has Rove in fact been indicted? The story is accurate, and Karl Rove's attorneys have been served with an indictment.

In short, we had two sources close to the Fitzgerald investigation who were explicit about the information that we published, and a former high-ranking state department official who reported communication with a source who had "direct knowledge" of the meeting at Patton Boggs. In both instances, substantial detail was provided and matched.

We had confirmation. We ran the story.

Sara (Squiggler)

Of course, who knows what the crowd in here really looks like? There must be a reason we're all online instead of meeting in a bar after work.....

Hey, my picture(s) are posted on the front page of my blog and if you are 55-65, I'll meet you at the bar, just tell me where and what time. LOL

Sue

Someone who knows how to screen shot should do so http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/15/33446/1501>here.

Kate

The only thing that rings true is that I believe Fitz would love Rove to plead guilty to something. That would be a major victory for him and he would feel vindicated.

I could also see Rove saying forget this. He could let it play out and get his acquital or pardon.

topsecretk9

Seixon,

Either share or I'm coming through this screen to choke you to death...

NO KIDDING SUE...I going through the screen with you!

JM Hanes

Well, I'm officially old enough to be a grandmother, but so, far the kids have not obliged. We could scope out the guys though, and probably have one hell of a girls' night out! ::grin:: (to borrow a certain well known phrase)

Sara (Squiggler)

I don't like to knock anyone's looks, but you gotta wonder why anyone would choose that picture to post as his public personnae. He looks like someone who just ate the neighbor's kids.

PeterUK

"a former high-ranking state department official who reported communication with a source who had "direct knowledge"

Well,you can't get much more "former" than Larry.

Lurker

Kate, according to the Marc Ash thread at truthout.org, sarao says that once the indictment is filed, it is sealed and after 24 business hours (8 hours day 1, 8 hours day 2, 8 hours day 3), the SP may give a public announcement, then the indicted person is booked.

Right?

topsecretk9

JM Hanes

Isn't that the truth...would make Gary go - c r a z y - though ...certain of all that man bashing.

Oh heck...let them come too!

PeterUK

Sara,
..and that will be one of the better shots.

JM Hanes

PeterUK

Well, I have been abroad in the last 5 years, so I certainly fit my half of the covert profile. If you're a former Ambassador with car, we're good to go.

Sue

I am the grandmother of a beautiful 16 month old granddaughter. With Irish red hair and Irish blue eyes. And not a drop of Irish that I'm aware of anywhere in the background. ::grin:: But, I'm not old enough to be her grandmother. I started lying about my age long before she was born. ::grin::

PeterUK

JMH,
Damn,does that mean I have to give up my day job?

Lurker

Well, PeterUK, you can be a "househusband" - just like Valerie...

Kate

Lurker, in Libby's case, the GJ voted the indictment the last day of its term. That morning it was announced that Fitz would have a press conference at noon, I believe it actually was closer to 1 or 2.

The indictment was put up on the DOJ website at noon and Libby resigned and went home.

He was arraigned the following Thursday.

No reason to sit on an indictment unless Fitz is trying to get Rove to agree to a plea deal.

I don't believe the 24 hour nonsense.

Also, expect leaks from Rove's side if an indictment is imminent and expect news in the New York Times.

clarice

Seixon, tell or we'll eliminate you..

Boris, the deliberate disinformation campaign is a delicious thought.
I don't think any of the VIPers count as "officials" , do they? Officers maybe.

Seixon

I've told Sue... she can pass it on... or you'll just have to wait until I blog about it... trying to work on a post now...

maryrose

PeterUK:
No keep your day job, just get a cool convertible and we'll all wear scarves and cool sunglasses like Val in her Vanity Fair picture.

Lurker

Hurry, Seixon!

Ok, if you don't think the VIPSers count as "official sources", whom do you think are Jason's five sources?

PeterUK

Is there anything that can be done about Leopold via the law.is he not prejudicing an investigation?

topsecretk9

the TruthNOT Pitt guy retracted his

"You could have asked. I would have gladly explained the inside sourcing that I cannot reveal publicly. I would have told you. Happily. I would have explained how Joseph Wilson independently verified a half dozen other sources, none of whom are connected. We had a guy **deleted**."

Later Pitt retracted the Wilson claim but too late, it's already out there...

Link (BTW Sue, screen shotted at your request)

So it's looking pretty apparent Matthews/Schuster are on speed dial too...(I mean really, the Matthew's has hung on to this thing over the years)...

So, Wilson scams all these guys HAH...really is 2003 all over again, and not only is Wilson engaging in dis-info/pushy back game with Rove (note to Rove -- good move on getting a spokesperson to do the pushy back)

but NOW the media types either really have to consider voicemail when Wilson calls or potentially engage in the push back themselves here.

Who is your source David?

topsecretk9

Sue?

Do tell!

topsecretk9

--Ok, if you don't think the VIPSers count as "official sources", whom do you think are Jason's five sources?--

going from 2 to 3 to 5 is like, 24 hour to 24 business hours, to Tuesday to Wednesday.

Maybe Grossman through Joe. Joe. Larry to say "yeah I heard that too"

PeterUK

Maryrose,
">http://www.autoextremist.com/NAIAS2005/RollsRoyce/100EX.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.autoextremist.com/NAIAS2005/RollsRoyce/&h=626&w=902&sz=156&tbnid=5Y7iszkVsMON6M:&tbnh=101&tbnw=146&hl=en&start=3&prev=/images%3Fq%3Drolls%2Broyce%2Bconvertible%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official_s%26sa%3DN"> One of these do?

Lurker

Hahaha! Plenty of room for 4 or 5 girls hanging out with PeterUK!

JM Hanes

Aw shoot, TSK9, I don't even bash my ex ... although I suppose I could make an exception just this once. Maybe we should all just post our pictures somewhere and critique each other's looks -- or better yet, how about trying to match up uncaptioned pix with screen names? On second thought, if Josh Marshall can have a whole TPMCafé, why can't TM have a JOMBar? Would that make me a JOMbaree? Sorta smacks of pompoms, though, which I categorically refuse to sport.


PeterUK:

Not to worry about your day job! You'll be a *Consultant* and that means you can do anything you damn please.

Specter

Whew....

Back from my field trip to truthout. Some of those people don't like me over there I'm afraid - but at least they were mostly civil.

cathyf
just get a cool convertible and we'll all wear scarves and cool sunglasses like Val in her Vanity Fair picture.
We just need pictures of all of us in the scarves and shades, ad I can photoshop us all into the convertible. We can put Wells in the driver's seat, Jeffress riding shotgun, and all of us in the crammed into the back seat (since we're all backseat drivers!)

cathy :-)

topsecretk9

JM
I know we don't bash, but Gary is sensitive (he puts his hands over his eyes) when we have fun.

if Josh Marshall can have a whole TPMCafé, why can't TM have a JOMBar?

Hey, JOM tribute Blog
in this fashion?

MayBee

I think Leopolds five sources are:
Joe Wilson
Joseph P. Wilson IV
Former Amabassador Wilson
The Last American Diplomat to meet with Saddam
Kristof's unnamed source

PeterUK

"Not to worry about your day job! You'll be a *Consultant* and that means you can do anything you damn please."

Oh yes! Get sent to some hell hole and come back crazed by the sun,flies and mint tea poisoning?

topsecretk9

Rats!, fixed

Sue

LOL. Okay, I think Seixon gave me permission to share. I can't quit laughing. No wonder Seixon was having trouble.


Sue,

Oh boy. The latest of Johnson's attacks: I am now apparently sexually infatuated with George Bush. Can you say meltdown?

Seixon needs to know who should see the emails he has from Scary Larry that will prevent him from being used as an 'expert' on tv. I have no idea. I sent all of his responses to me to every major television and newspaper that I could think of. Standard, automated replies. Anybody have any better idea?

Lurker

How about TM opening a new thread or publish it at American Thinker? Wouldn't you need permission from Scary Larry?

topsecretk9

A special Larry Tribute Blog?

Open Letter BY Larry C. Johnson.blogspot.com

JM Hanes

Frankly, I'd prefer a Bentley.

Sara (Squiggler)

Britt Hume, Bill O'Reilly, and Roger Ailes for starters.

MayBee

Sue- maybe Rove's PR guy would be interested in seeing those emails. Other than that, I think emailing individual reporters may do something. Dafna Linzer, R Jeffrey Smith, or that research chick that shows up on every WaPo intelligence article. Howard Kurtz?
Or the Chicago Tribune author who wrote the article about our friends from Brewster Jennings?

Sue

Someone told me when I was in the middle of my get Scary Larry banned as a serious 'expert' they probably knew already and used him anyway. I am of the opinion they were right. They don't care as long as their 'expert' says the right thing.

MayBee

Sue, that is probably true.

In my heart of hearts, I do hope Fitzgerald and Wells get a whiff of Joe's shenanigans on this. I know he isn't breaking any laws, but he sure is showing his character.

maryrose

PeterUk:
I love the Rolls Royce... Let the games begin...

JM Hanes

TSK9

LOL! Should call it Room 404?

PeterUK

You won't get Scary Larry banned from TV,it loves nutters,the crazier the better.

topsecretk9

In my heart of hearts, I do hope Fitzgerald and Wells get a whiff of Joe's shenanigans on this. I know he isn't breaking any laws, but he sure is showing his character.

Well remember...Libby's team did submit a Jason Leopold Truthout exhibit!!!

Sue

Specter,

Holy moley. If Jason is wrong, it isn't Jason's fault, it is Rove's fault. He set up a sting to get Jason. Someone should ask Rove if he knows Jason. ::grin:: I sure didn't, not until today. Truthout is not exactly where I'd want to hang, since they publish Scary Larry's crap as truth. They think because you were over there, the story is true. Do you have inside information you are holding back on? ::grin::

MayBee

Oh boy. The latest of Johnson's attacks: I am now apparently sexually infatuated with George Bush. Can you say meltdown?

I wonder if Larry has heard about my fling with Joe.

Well, my near-fling.

Sue

Top,

He did? I don't remember it. Which one was it?

Specter

It was fun throwing a monkey wrench into their works. All I did was point out some facts and wowser some of them went nutz. But there were a lot that were very concerned over the fact that Leopold's story hadn't been picked up by the MSM. Some were even saying, "What if Jason is wrong?" Too funny....just fed their fears back to them.....

Specter

Someone actually tried to say Specter = Spook? like I am some kind of spy...LOL

Sue

Specter,

My favorite was the "please be right this time". Not realizing what was being pled. ::grin::

topsecretk9

Sue, I'll get it for you in a minute...but the left is starting to throw
Jason under a bus...since Pitt says their primary source is Wilson...well, well, well...if Wilson is feeding Jason then? um?

topsecretk9

also on that post -- at the end there don't miss this

and they posted on emptywheel's thread as if they weren't all together, going so far in one case to claim to have been directed to the thread by Larry Johnson.

Sue

CNN airs the president practicing his speech. An accident, they claim.

Dwilkers

The left is heavily invested in this tonight in case anyone missed that. Poor Jeralyn at Talkleft has her commenters telling her to give it up but you can almost see the tears in her responses saying she's still holding out hope. I'm embarrassed for her.

topsecretk9

Sue (exhibit list is under May 2 JOM "Libby vs. the Press"

L - 14 Apr 06 truthout article (Leopold), "Libby Filing: A Denial and a Mystery"

Libby Filing: A Denial and a Mystery

clarice

A proper book on the Wilson scamarama would be the size of the OED..Just riffling thru my bookmarks I found this from Wilson's letter to the SSCI:
"It is unfortunate that the report failed to include the CIA's position on this matter. If the staff had done so it would undoubtedly have been given the same evidence as provided to Newsday reporters Tim Phelps and Knut Royce in July, 2003. They reported on July 22 that:

"A senior intelligence officer confirmed that Plame was a Directorate of Operations undercover officer who worked 'alongside' the operations officers who asked her husband to travel to Niger. "

And that isn't a leak?

Specter

Man I feel "dirty" tonight. But I had to...I posted the KOS article on TruthOut. Just could not resist.

JM Hanes

With a hat tip to a Freeper thread that I'm not sure who posted, two hysterically funny entries over at Daily Kos:

First, there's jason leopold, will pitt and the dozen eyes

Then, my personal fav, Updated: Leopold's sources, a FABRICATION w/poll. Pleeease head on over there ASAP and vote NO. This guy deserves all the traction we can give 'im!

clarice

I think there's an indie film in this. Where's our favorite satirist Soylent? And who should we cast for Jason?

Sue

Man, they didn't just throw Jason under the bus, they rocked it back and forth after making sure he was under the wheel.

Sara (Squiggler)

Tim Phelps and Knut Royce in July, 2003. They reported on July 22 that:

"A senior intelligence officer confirmed that Plame was a Directorate of Operations undercover officer who worked 'alongside' the operations officers who asked her husband to travel to Niger. "

And that isn't a leak?

July 2003? Yes, it sounds like a leak.

Other Tom

In an exchange of e-mails within the past couple of hours, Ol' Larry advised me that he himself has been in touch with people and MSNBC, Knight Ridder and AP, each of whom, he claims, has one source.

clarice

Are the initials of the source JW or LJ? LOL

MayBee

Clarice- If I'm not mistaken, either Royce or Phelps recently wrote an article about their experience after writing that article. They refused to answer any questions, and in the end their subpoenas withered on the vine. They were never asked to testify.

Apparently, this bit o' information was uninteresting to Fitzgerald.

clarice

Why am I not surprised? It seems it came from an official still inside the agency and was in support of the Wilson Gambit.

Specter

From over at TruthOut, emah1 in response to my quote from KOS seems to be saying that KOS supports Bush:

It's obvious you're not familiar with how gov't works. An hr. can lead to days. I'm sure just like BushKos held up the NYT...
Lurker

A change of topic here, I have to agree with AJStrata regarding tonight's speech given by Bush. I am glad we are closing our borders and keeping our country open to legal immigration. As for illegal immigration, it's a tough problem but I hope that our illegal immigrants will learn to assimilate into our society and speak English!! I hope that the Senate and House will come up with a sweeping bill, get it passed, and signed into law.

God Bless Bush and our country.

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1812#comments

Lurker

Another change of topic here, those that point to low, low poll numbers, read Michael Barone's statistical article and weep.

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014095.php

clarice

Thanks, Lurker, Barone is a national treasure.

Sara (Squiggler)

OT ... I have a pretty good roundup of reactions on Squiggler. My favorite, because he agrees with me 100% is MacsMind.

http://www.squiggler.com/2006/05/president_bush_.html

JM Hanes

I'm going to "move" my comment over to the new improved Immigration thread.

JM Hanes

Except I posted my announcement on the wrong thread. OTOH, it does give me the opportunity to suggest that others do likewise.

topsecretk9

Wall Street Journal on Leopold..(and blogs)

The Rove attorney says he spent part of that day at the vet with his cat and that Mr. Fitzgerald was in Chicago. A spokesman for Mr. Fitzgerald declined to comment.

The denials set off a round of blogging. One site said Mr. Leopold was the victim of White House disinformation. Another cast doubt on whether Mr. Rove's attorney took his cat to the vet...

..."The system for keeping unverifiable reports out of the news is totally broken down when you look at the online world," says Jay Rosen, a professor of journalism at New York University and a blogger himself at www.pressthink.org. Instead, he says, there is a "let's see if this holds up" philosophy that he thinks has merit in today's fast-paced news world, though he admits it isn't a practice that major news organizations could or should adopt.

Gee, were they this kind to Ben?

JM Hanes

Jay Rosen thinks the system has broken down? LMAO! You really do track down the greatest stuff, tops.

clarice

Tops is the greatest finder of all.

Seixon

Lookie what I found, LaRouche apparently ran a piece citing sources that the indictment will be announced Tuesday. Ray McGovern is a contributor for LaRouche. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

MayBee

Jay Rosen, who actually posted on his blog an email from a newspaper editor stating that a good press would be tracking down the crisis Bush will create so that he can stay in office beyond his 8 years.
When I questioned them on it? No comment from Jay. Actually, the newspaper guy came on to call me a troll.
But heck yes, the system for getting "the truth" out there has broken down.

clarice

Fun!. I recall at the WH Correspondence Dinner Wilson and La Rouche engaged in a long discussion and the reporter who noted it thought that odd. He hasn't been paying attention. Karen Kwiatkowski, a member in good standing of the La Rouche cliques is a long standing member of the anti neo-con (read Jews) crowd and was peddling her lies about them even before Ambassador Munchausen.

MayBee

OK. Seixon found this http://www.counterpunch.org/mcgovern06272003.html> Ray McGovern article from June 27, 2003. I need someone to look at it, because it seems to be filled with lots of information I didn't think was public at the time. Plus the forgery disinfo:

In recent weeks, administration officials have begun spreading the word that Cheney was never told the Iraq-Niger story was based on a forgery. I asked a senior official who recently served at the National Security Council if he thought that was possible. He pointed out that rigorous NSC procedures call for a very specific response to all vice presidential questions and added that "the fact that Cheney's office had originally asked that the Iraq-Niger report be checked out makes it inconceivable that his office would not have been informed of the results."
kim

I think Luskin has had some fun with this. He's been quoted as noting that his sick cat's stool had no parasites in it. Do you suppose he was speaking allegorically?
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kim

I think Luskin has had some fun with this. He's been quoted as noting that his sick cat's stool had no parasites in it. Do you suppose he was speaking allegorically?
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kim

I think Luskin has had some fun with this. He's been quoted as noting that his sick cat's stool had no parasites in it. Do you suppose he was speaking allegorically?
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maryrose

Russert on Imus is asked "So is Karl Rove going to be indicted?"
And Russert answers: "I don't know" and Imus says "If you don't know who does? Aren't you supposed to know ?" Russert just resorts to talking about Novak ,
,Cooper and Rove and then they went on to other topics. Looks like Russert is uncomfortable talking about it.

Lurker

LaRouche / McGovern predicting that the Rove indictment announcement will occur today? Well, the heck, we wait another 24 hours (from yesterday)!

What if no announcement today? Wait another 24 hours!

lurker

Talkleft has a post about Murray Waas.

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014849.html

With its first response being interesting:

"regarding rove, there is a big difference between allegations of criminality and allegations of being simply evil... rove is evil... any possible criminal activity is incidental...

http://takeitpersonally.blogspot.com/"

me hit

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