Did It Matter If SWIFT Was A Secret?

Scott Shane of the Times manages to present both sides of the debate in evaluating whether the Times disclosure of the SWIFT monitoring program may have harmed national security.

He opens with the argument we tackled in an earlier post, reminding us that "follow the money" had been a public goal of the Administration since 9/11:

Ever since President Bush vowed days after the Sept. 11 attacks to "follow the money as a trail to the terrorists," the government has made no secret of its efforts to hunt down the bank accounts of Al Qaeda and its allies.

However, by paragraph eight he pivots to the point we were emphasizing (and which Administration officials had emphasized to Times Executive Editor Bill Keller) - publicity might make it difficult for Europeans to continue to cooperate:

Experts on terror financing are divided in their views of the impact of the revelations. Some say the harm in last week's publications in The Times, The Los Angeles Times and The Wall Street Journal may have been less in tipping off terrorists than in putting publicity-shy bankers in an uncomfortable spotlight.

"I would be surprised if terrorists didn't know that we were doing everything we can to track their financial transactions, since the administration has been very vocal about that fact," said William F. Wechsler, a former Treasury and National Security Council official who specialized in tracking terrorism financing.

But Mr. Wechsler said the disclosure might nonetheless hamper intelligence collection by making financial institutions resistant to requests for access to records.

"I wouldn't be surprised if these recent articles have made it more difficult to get cooperation from our friends in Europe, since it may make their cooperation with the U.S. less politically palatable," Mr. Wechsler said.

Though privacy advocates have denounced the examination of banking transactions, the Swift consortium has defended its cooperation with the counterterrorism program and has not indicated any intention to stop cooperating with the broad administrative subpoenas issued to obtain its data.

Andy McCarthy is quoted offering a different take:

A former federal prosecutor who handled major terrorism cases, Andrew C. McCarthy, said he believed that the greatest harm from news reports about such classified programs was the message that Americans could not keep secrets.

"If foreign intelligence services think anything they tell us will end up in the newspapers, they'll stop sharing so much information," said Mr. McCarthy, now a senior fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies in Washington.

And Bob Kerrey of the New School and the 9/11 Commission is offered making a back-door plea to keep the program alive:

But Bob Kerrey, a member of the 9/11 commission and former Democratic senator from Nebraska, took a different view, saying that if the news reports drive terrorists out of the banking system, that could actually help the counterterrorism cause.

"If we tell people who are potential criminals that we have a lot of police on the beat, that's a substantial deterrent," said Mr. Kerrey, now president of New School University. If terrorists decide it is too risky to move money through official channels, "that's very good, because it's much, much harder to move money in other ways," Mr. Kerrey said.

The Times reporting is clear - this is a good program; ending it would harm national security; publicity may kill it.

This was a much better effort by the Times than was produced by yesterday's Clownhouse Group led by Glenn Greenwald.  Let's reprint his challenge:

That is why not a single person who ever sermonizes righteously about the traitors at the Times can ever identify what ought to be the first fact that is identified when accusing someone of harming national security -- namely, the disclosure of facts which (a) would enable the terrorists to avoid surveillance detection and (b) was not previously known. Those facts simply do not exist, which is why nobody ever identifies them.

And for more flavor, let's reprint his bold assertion from Tuesday, when he first warmed to this theme (his emphasis):

(1) There is not a single sentence in the Times banking report that could even arguably "help the terrorists."

It appears that Scott Shane, Bob Kerrey and others managed to find that single sentence.  Arguably.

WORTH MOCKING SOMEWHERE:  Bob Novak had one chat with a CIA press flack, concluded the guy's heart was not in it, and published his column outing Valerie Plame.  He has been criticized for not acceding instantly and unquestioningly to the CIA request.

The Times met with and heard from numerous Administration officials over a period of weeks.  They decided that some of the Administration arguments were "half-hearted", and proceeded to publish.

Let's see - is it fair to point out that Bob Novak may have had a point when he said that the CIA did not push too hard?  Here is Novak from Oct 2003; CIA press spokesperson Bill Harlow from the WaPo, July 27, 2005; and Novak responds.  My thoughts here.

Comments

[Tim]

This, along with the Hamdan ruling this a.m.., and other incidents demonstrate America's Left is utterly committed to giving our enemies every consideration and advantage they need to kill more Americans.

But we dare not question their patriotism, do we?

[Lurker]

Expect alot of uproar over this and I don't think anything can be done to change this ruling. Allah has trouble interpreting the ruling. "They have to try Hamdan in the federal court but try him for what?"

[Semanticleo]

Patriotism?

If you want to see REAL patriotism, you should watch House Republicans use floor time to condemn the Times. What other pressing issues
can they address? Flag burning? All-American
in it's implications.

http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/062806/nytimes.html

[Twok]

It is true that this type of treasonous behavior by the NYT ultimately does make our couterterrrorism efforts stronger.

But it is very dangerous for Americans to still be unaware of those among us who actively side with terrorists, and get away with it.

[Jos Bleau]

The defense of the Times rests on the argument that they were (A) too incompetant to know that the program wasn't secret or (B) knew that the program wasn't terribly secret but presented it as such anyway - that is, that the Times lied.

[Other Tom]

I listened intently to Tony Snow's responses to O'Reilly's questions last night concerning possible criminal investigations into the leakers. He most assuredly did not rule them out; he simply said that they would not be initiated by the president. Anyone who feels certain that no such investigations have been initiated should go back and give careful consideration to what the Attorney General has had to say on the subject.

[Neo]

Methinks Bob Kerrey's point is wishful thinking. The terrorists know that the program is effective over, as the "right thinking" crowd in Europe will bend over backward to put their thumbs in America's eye.

If I were a terrorist, I'd wait a week then transfer everything I need for the next 6 months.

[BumperStickerist]

Remember Tom,

That Greenwald writes something doesn't make it foolish. It just increases the likelihood by a factor of ten.

Cheers.

[LHFM]

The argument that some are making -- that the terrorists must know we are targeting their financial arrangements, and therefore the revelations don't have any effect -- is a foolish one. There are high costs associated with avoiding the ordinary financial channels, and terrorists are very likely to use them unless they have good reason to think they are being monitored. (Like a splashy betrayal in the Times.) A similar example is wiretapping, observed during the decade when I was a federal prosecutor. Most criminals have an idea that law enforcement COULD tap their phones, but they keep on using phones anyway because the costs of trying to change phones all the time in most cases are too high absent actual signs of wiretapping. Once they have a reason to think they are being tapped, they drop the phones and get new ones. Until then, they keep going and take their chances. This situation is no different. I'm sure terrorists have an idea that anything they do might be surveilled, but unless they think they ARE being surveilled, they will keep on using those particular methods.

[Al Maviva]

If terrorists decide it is too risky to move money through official channels, "that's very good, because it's much, much harder to move money in other ways," Mr. Kerrey said.

While that's a nice notion in theory, driving the terror masters out of the regulated finance industry, where we can watch them, into the underground, is not necessarily helpful. The informal money transfer ("Hawala") system is impervious to government regulation and surveillance, and while it is less efficient it still works well enough to effect money transfers across international borders. Moreover, traditional methods of white collar crime money laundering still work pretty well, including bearer bonds, various types of convertible instruments and compact real assets (precious metals, diamonds, etc), which are pretty easily smuggled and converted to cash. The idea that driving AQ (and other terrorist) financiers out of the light and into the back alleys is going to help in the GWOT, seems less than self-evident. While the transactional costs (in time and efficiency) are probably higher in the back alleys, and it may require new forms of white collar corruption to accomplish the same money transfers, I should think the terrorists have a sizeable advantage in the long run from operating in back alleys where clean cut G-men find it hard to travel.

[Paul Schlick]

Speeders know that the Highway Patrol uses speed traps, yet using speed traps still catches speeders … unless someone publishes the locations of the speed traps.

Criminals know that the police use informants, yet using informants still catches criminals … unless someone publishes the names of the informants.

Racketeers know that the FBI uses sting operations, yet using sting operations still catches racketeers … unless someone publishes the details of the sting operations.

Terrorists may know that counter-terrorist officials use financial tracking programs, yet using financial tracking programs still catches terrorists … unless someone publishes the details of the tracking program.

Glenn Greenwald may be too dim a bulb to see the obvious but you'd think the brilliant lights at The New York Times could comprehend something so simple ... unless becoming a "journalist" isn't as mentally demanding as journalists have been telling us all these years.

Now, there's a scoop worthy of The New York Times!

[PWT]

You forget that Novak's acctions disclosed the identity of the sole CIA agent that had prevented rogue nations from acquiring nuclear weapons. The threat she repelled was imminent as can be seen by the tragic bombings in OH, PA and FL.

[Carol Herman]

ONE: It's out of the bag.

TWO: It may be better to out-source the stuff we need to do to keep us safe from terrorists. No. I'm not kidding. But a small company that depended on its livelihood for funding its own survival could be better equipped? Let alone, why depend on it being here?

Most foreign countries have wall-to-wall spies, anyway. If you went to moscow, for instance, and you just counted off every third person you saw ... you'd probably be identifying spooks. They spend a lot to keep human intelligence intertwined with their system.

As a matter of fact, off topic, but talking about russians; today's news is that they complained about syrian 'fly-over' by Israeli jets, that rattled more than assad's windows. It reached him in his underpants.

But people don't know that russia sells a lot of its military technology to arabs. And, the "fly-over" showed the arabs with money to spare; that giving it to the russians buys them very shoddy "defense" systems.

So? Today the arabs know they're not getting their money's worth from the russians. While our tax money, needed for our defense, gets wasted by congress critters.

We could design a better accounting system, ya know?

[Mister Snitch!]

Could we all please refrain from precious little asides such as 'Clownhouse'? The left does this constantly, particularly in references to Bush. It's cloying, it's tiresome, and let's face it – it's sophomoric. Let them degrade their 'chimpy' arguments in that manner, but don't join that lazy chorus. You'll only send the message that your arguments are poorly reasoned and palatable only to the drinkers of the kool-aid (another cliche I hope not to read again, by the way).

[boris]

please refrain

One method of dealing with obnoxious behavior is responding in kind. Never take tit for tat off the table. Analysis of the prisoners dilema provides the proof.

Failure to understand this simple variation of the golden rule is automatic entry as a contender for the Darwin award.

[boris]

The other side is famous for invoking rules like "no hitting below the belt" then wearing their belt like a hat.

[Michael]

In all of the recriminations against the NYT, none of which seems to include the LAT nor the WSJ, an important fact is missing. Someone at the White House is talking to reporters. There is a mole in the administration and no one seems to care to find out who it is.
How much money and time was spent to find out who "outed" Mrs Wilson?
If this is such a breach of national security, warrenting charges of espionage against Mr Keller and his staff, then there should be a Justice Department investigation into who is leaking classified information in the White House.
If this was such a secret operation then the pool of people who knew about it must be rather small. Round them up, put them under oath, and interoggate them.
I don't think the administration is too hot to move in this direction because, in my gut, I don't think they want to find out. I'll tell you why.
It has been reported that this proram has been highly effective, at least in the beginning, in identifying links used to pass money via electronic means. It started very shortly after September 2001. While there are still some "hits" coming across the wires, for the most part it has served it's pupose, and is not as effective as it was. Al Qaeda are many things but stupid is not one of them. As their people were identiied and arrested it must have occured to them that wiring money was not a safe course of action. That said politics now comes into my theory.
The NYT has been a thorn in the side of the Bush team since day one. Even though they did use Judith Miller to plant the story about the aluminum tubes in the Times and then cited the article as jounalistic proof that Hussein was reconstituting his nuclear program.
The same mole (prehaps) outed the warrentless wiretaps and now the payback was on. But how?
The SWIFT program was winding down, it wasn't illegal, it was a tool used in the war on terrorism so leak it to the Times. Try to dissuade them from running it ( the WSJ stated the administration did not ask them to hold the story, though they won't go into detail on editing nor reporting procedures at their paper) and then blast the Times when they do, and you knew they would, run it. The elitist leftist media is putting American lives at risk!
It is so Rovian. And hence the reluctance on the part of the administration on finding out who in the White House who is trafficking in national secrets

[PeterUK]

"Patriotism?

If you want to see REAL patriotism, you should watch House Republicans use floor time to condemn the Times."

Well,there we have it from the horses ass,the implication that it is unpatriotic to condemn the NYT.

[Black Jack]

People do the strangest things:

Recall the first attempt to blow up the World Trade Center, the terrorists were caught when one of them tried to recover the cash deposit they put down on the rental truck they'd filled with explosives and parked in the Tower's basement parking lot.

The most important principle in fighting terrorism is: Follow the money, cash is the lifeblood of terrorism. They can't function without it. That's why the Two Timers treachery is so damaging to our national security. The terrorists will attack again, and their allies in American journalism are busy preparing the way.

The NY Times is the self-appointed enabler of terrorism, an enemy of freedom, and an agency of International anti-Americanism. They should not be allowed to continue. If our political leaders haven't got the courage to prevent the NY Times from getting us all killed, then we need new leaders who will actually fight against our enemies, both foreign and domestic.

[PeterUK]

Sorry,but al Qaeda are stupid,they kicked a bull in the balls and stood there in the field going "Nyah Na Ny Nyah, Nyah" A quick appraisal of Pearl Harbour might have given them a clue,but no,they were too wound up with their warrior ethos,so they started a war on a lie...that they could win.

[David Walser]

Michael - Many of us are plenty upset with those who leaked this information to the two Times. Several have posted here and elsewhere that they should be caught and punished. However, the fact we are upset with the unidentified leakers does not mean we cannot be upset with the NYT. For the record, as part of a plea deal, I'd be willing to see Keller get off with no jail time if he were to name his sources and testify against them at trial.

Also, as has been discussed elsewhere, the NYT is in a special category that does not include the LAT or the WSJ. It was the NYT that decided to print the story, after being warned it would harm national security. Neither the LAT nor the WSJ had time to come to a conclusion on that question. (Once the NYT posted the story to its web page, there was no question what the other papers would do.)

[maryrose]

The behavior and rationalization about this is deplorable. Hillary's vote allowing flag burning is going to come back and bite her. Politicians can be such fools. It is a wonder they got elected in the first place.

[Forbes]

Black Jack: While your "follow the money" tactic is worthy, the facts cited in the WTC '93 bombing pointed to an alternative conclusion.

Jim Fox, who headed the investigation as head of the New York FBI field office, concluded that the effort to recover the rental truck deposit was a "false flag" operation, intended to send investigators off in wrong directions, ending in "dead ends."

As the driver was recruited at the last days prior to the bombing, he had little knowledge about the bombing plot and cell operation--except what the others told him. In others words, he was a "plant." And as the others in the cell had getaway plans, safe houses, and plane tickets prepared in advance, the driver was left to fend for himself with no resources, except to recover the truck rental deposit--so as to leave the impression of incompetance, and plant the (false) evidence to which the driver was privey.

This led Fox, who had previous experience in FBI counter-intelligence, to conclude that a foreign government had been involved in training some of the cell members, due to nature of the methods and tactics used by the cell.

Obviously, these details are a small part of the '93 story.

[Tom Maguire]

Could we all please refrain from precious little asides such as 'Clownhouse'? The left does this constantly, particularly in references to Bush. It's cloying, it's tiresome, and let's face it – it's sophomoric.

Great idea, but - I can resist anything except temptation.

[OneProblem]

Hmmm. Maybe we shouldn't publish anything that might make people uncomfortable with what they're doing. Oh, wait.

If bankers lose their spine because their actions are in the public light, blame the bankers - not the Times. I like papers AND blogs watchdogging my institutions.

Let's indict jellyfish Euro bankers for treason, not the Times!

[Forbes]

Actually TM, some of us enjoy the asides that are precious and little, it's the tsunami of ad hominem and personal invective that drowns us in cloying and tiresome sophomores.

[bud]

How long before a car bomb, etc, targets some of the Europeans that have been aiding the US effort.

Will Bill Keller personally attend their funerals?

email is human readable -aloud.

[clarice]

More bad news for Pinch

A new poll bears bad tidings for the New York Times.

Most Americans support the government program to track possible terrorist funding, one of the few areas where majorities of both parties agree. In addition, the public thinks people who leak classified information—as well as news organizations that publish it—should face criminal charges. On Iraq, more than half want U.S. troops to stay and finish the job.

These are just some of the findings of the new national telephone poll of 900 registered voters conducted from June 27 to June 28 by Opinion Dynamics Corporation for FOX News. The poll has a 3-point error margin.

http://americanthinker.com/comments.php?comments_id=5480

[Barney Frank]

"Could we all please refrain from precious little asides such as 'Clownhouse'? The left does this constantly, particularly in references to Bush. It's cloying, it's tiresome, and let's face it – it's sophomoric."

If this were the Oxford debating society perhaps, but its not. Ridicule has a long and honorable history.
Shoot, half the reason I read this blog is to see what sobriquet PeterUK is bestowing on some drive-by halfwit.

[JM Hanes]

Mister Snitch!

"It's cloying, it's tiresome, and let's face it – it's sophomoric"

Agree with you there MrS! If you could just skip over 'em, it wouldn't be so annoying, but most of the time you've already stopped to translate 'em back before you realize you're wasting your time on somebody else's idea of cutesy pie.

[PeterUK]

It is our solemn duty to subject them to derision,if they didn't want to be insulted they wouldn't be liberals.
Look at Dementedleo for example,locked away with the ointment, only a laptop,the NYT and her piles for company,what kind of life is that for a cretin?
Here she can individuate herself before the mocking multitudes,teeming millions of internet users intimately aquainted with her personal problems.It is a kindness,otherwise she would be on Jerry Springer,images of her...well images, would be beamed across the world,people would recognise her in the street,"How are the haemorrhoids?" they would cry,much better this way.Cruel to be kind.

[JM Hanes]

"Cruel to be kind."

LOL!

[clarice]

I l*o*v*e.PUK...

[Barney Frank]

See what I mean?
Author, author, Peter!

[PeterUK]

Some say,one should never resort to ad hominems,but to paraphrase the old dictum,"You are what you eat", "You are what you think",gross as it might seem,the internet is a distillation of peoples thoughts,"The medium is the message","The messenger is the message"

[Semanticleo]

golf clap

[PeterUK]

Oh dear Semanticleo,you haven't caught another round of applause have you?

[John Boyle]

The problem is not that European bankers will go shy of the program, but that privacy wattchdogs in Europe, much more powerful and extreme in that Socialist environment than even here, will create enough political pressure to end the program altogether. It is not that the program's usefulness will be compromised by exposure, but that it will be completely ended.

Note from this linked article that the cooperation of 194 countries had to be obtained to make this work, and that it took a long time to set up. And now Belgium, the host country for SWIFT, is making noises that will no doubt sink the program:

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014540.php

Here is more international blowback from the Times' treason, from a Soros funded outfit:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/27/AR2006062701912.html?referrer=emailarticle

[PeterUK]

John Boyle,
It raise the question of who has the most to lose by financial monitoring,Joe Sixpack is hardly likely to be transfering significant sums of money about the planet.

[lurker]

Douglas Farah

"My friend Dennis Lormel and others are correct in stating that programs to attack terror finance must be differentiated and viewed in their many different elements. Which is why what is striking in the current debate is not what is said but what is not discussed.

What is not being discussed is the non-formal methods of money transfer, with the accompanying use of commodities and other methods to store financial value; and the use of the Islamic banking structures and its corresponding, massive offshore structures. This includes not only the multiple holdings of DMI and others in the Bahamas, Caymen and Panama, but also the offshore holdings of designated terrorist financiers such as Yousef Nada and Idriss Nasreddin. None of these have been touched.

The Islamic banking strucutre, while having every right to exist as a system to meet particular religious constraints, does not play by the same rules. Massive amounts of money move outside the SWIFT-reported systems all over the world, in part through Islamic banks that are specifically designed to help the customer avoid the Western banking system....."

As some posters already pointed out...

[lurker]

Lichtblau's Defense: We Told The Terrorists Nothing They Didn't Already Know

HHHHmmm.....

Hugh made a reference to TM's thread, "Tom Macguire has ben dealing with variants of the argument as well."

Hugh and Eric Lichtblau will be on CNN's Reliable Sources with Howard Kurtz next Sunday. With former Des Moines Register editor and former Washington Post Ombudsman Geneva Overholser and columnist Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post.

Should be interesting.

Hugh posted an email:

"reetings,

Not A Good Day, indeed.

let me add my .02....

while everything you say about the current situation is TRUE, however please allow me to suggest that the LONG TERM impact here is EVEN WORSE...

Since St. Jimmy sent St Stan down to Langley to show the Peasants how "Honorable Ladies and Gentlemen" did Intelligence...

...we have increasingly made our National Intelligence infrastructure subject to the whims and fancies of both Pop Culture and post-modern Political Correctness, it has long been a point that anyone "bold" enough to suggest "Active Measures", was treated as a Pariah, (i think this goes a long way to explaining the Situational Derangement of guys like Richard Clarke and Michael Scheuer, who were reportedly for much more muscular counter-intelligence efforts from the late 80's thru the late 90's, all to no avail)

This produces situations where even Slick Willy thought that dropping a few dozen cruise missiles on goat herds in the middle of the desert passed for a legitimate response to a increasingly deadly opponent.

My Argument:

If the Times*2 do not experience ***GENUINE PAIN*** here, we will be effectively giving a "pocket veto" over intelligence operations to the Main Stream Media, as conflict-adverse incumbents both elected and bureaucratic, will gauge all potential covert ops in terms of political blowback when the Op is blown in the MSM....

this will, i contend, in addition to fostering EVEN MORE caution amongst the Intelligence Mandarins regarding Ops, will effectively give a COST-FREE veto over Plans and Ops to every employee of an Intelligence Agency, who is willing to invest in a cellular phone call to a reporter from a MSM outlet willing to print/broadcast it...

And if Times*2 aren't REALLY SPANKED HERE, that will be very, very many MSM entities....

Godspeed and Blue Skies!"

[Barney Frank]

Can the west win this war?
We have gone from blowing up or burning entire cities of our enemies in order to prevail to not wanting to upset offshore Islamic banking structures and getting the vapors if a dog collar is put on a terrorists neck, lest we (shock) 'become as bad as they are'.
Bush is politically hamstrung for merely pussyfooting around in Iraq and jawboning the rest of the 'axis of evil'. And he's the baddest dude we've got.
Its an open question, for me anyway, whether the west has the will to survive.

[PeterUK]

Interesting that Lichtblau is a close confidant of the terrorists,or do they just send him an update,perhsaps the NYT is on al Qaeda's mailing list?

[lurker]

:-) Heh, he sure is!

Here is something interesting:

"The idea for the Swift program, several officials recalled, grew out of a suggestion by a Wall Street executive, who told a senior Bush administration official about Swift's database. Few government officials knew much about the consortium, which is led by a Brooklyn native, Leonard H. Schrank, but they quickly discovered it offered unparalleled access to international transactions. Swift, a former government official said, was "the mother lode, the Rosetta stone" for financial data."

1. A Wall Street Executive told WH about SWIFT.

2. Led by an American.

3. Very few government officials knew about it.

And I'll add 4) Very few Americans knew about it either.

[Barney Frank]

Lurker,

How about 5)Very few terrorists knew about it.
A lot fewer than the NYT is trying to imply I'll wager.

[Sue]

If this was not a secret, why was it a story? No one seems to know the answer to that.

[Black Jack]

Forbes, the whole operation depended on getting the truck to the WTC. I can't imagine any responsible leader leaving such an important step to someone who was recruited at the 11th hour. I wasn't born yesterday, Fox's conclusion doesn't pass the smell test.

The task of driving the truck would have been considered a high honor, and given to a trusted lieutenant who had earned it. The sap who tried to collect the deposit may well have needed the money, but I've got 10 bucks says he didn't do the driving.

[PeterUK]

Perhaps Mr Lichtblau could do his patriotic duty and provide a list of the terrorists who DID know.What level the information was diseminated to,obviously Ali Kaboom, the goat herd with the taste for loud waistcoats,probably did not get notified,but no doubt it was tapped out on the cave roof for bin Laden.
In any event surely Mr Lichtblau must be willing to reveal his sources,after all, it isn't as if they will get jail.

[Sue]

Funny, according to http://www.hughhewitt.com/>Hugh Hewitt Doyle McManus of the LA Times admitted to him "that the stories "conceivably" could help terrorists avoid capture.

And, in http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/23/washington/23intel.html?_r=2&oref=login&oref=slogin>Lichtblau's original article he claims "the banking program is a closely held secret,".

And now they want to say everyone knew? What's the big deal?

[clarice]

Black Jack, the dope was perfect for the job. He was unaware of the organizer (an Iraqi), he was told TWICE to get his money by returning the truck. The organizer knew he'd be picked up and the feds would be busy with the dummy as he slipped away home.
Perfect.

[jerry]

SWIFT was a secret...? Is this something like Ronald Reagan was a tax cutter?

[Sue]

I don't know if it was a secret or not. It was when Lichtblau first wrote his article, according to what he wrote. Now that the intended results, condemnation of Bush, weren't achieved, he seems to be backing off that earlier assertion.

[lurker]

Others said it was classified.

[jerry]

My impression is that this effort isn't a "secret," it's a little-known program that the WH, and its talking head robots, is (very) happy to use as a political issue. Yesterday I compared the WH response to World Cup soccer players dramatising for a foul.

If you look at sensitive issues and how the WH treats them, you will find that everything classified is political for this Administration (and fungible if there is a benefit), and any critique is a lethal threat by their estimation (isn't it ironic). Weenies rule the USA, sorry to say.

[lurker]

It's not so widely known so it was best for NYT to not publish it.

[jerry]

"It's not so widely known so it was best for NYT to not publish it."

Yeah, keep them dumb and willing. Come on, there's not just the jihadi's involved but also a far larger number of willing American innocents pulled into a giant threat detector whose private data output is secret and where ethical oversight is actively discouraged (for "national security" reasons).

If the WH is happy to crush Plame over a few words in a speech, what would the government do with endless personal info on Americans?

If you listen to Fred Barnes you'd think that al Qaeda only works through Citibank, but they really aren't so stupid - they use these weird Muslim money transfer organizations (halawa?) and way-out means like diamonds from Africa.

Now, you know what? Al Qaeda didn't start doing this yesterday... they've been doing this for years because they know what the US is up to, unlike the happily deluded who listen to Mr. Barnes and the WH PR flunkies.

Ah, so, well, I've gone on a bit now. Just remember those silly soccer players acting lame for a foul....

[topsecretk9]

--l Qaeda didn't start doing this yesterday... they've been doing this for years because they know what the US is up to--

too bad we weren't secretly using swift before the crashed planes into the WTC buildings...say like when they tried to bomb it the first time.

[Neo]

This quote by Thomas Kean, former governor of New Jersey and chairman of the 9-11 Commission ...

"It was a great coup when all these other countries agreed to go along."

Left me wondering just who "all these other countries" were ? Was this a multilateral program ?

Funny how the stories on the lawsuits only talk about the US.

[Sue]

Jerry,

It would appear your beef is with the NYTs and their reporting. They called it a closely held secret, not me.

[Neo]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2006/06/_kean_on_swift.html

[jerry]

A challenge topsecretk9?!!

Ok, well, maybe we were... secretly using SWIFT...? Who knows. The problem is that at some level no one took al Qaeda seriously before 911, I'd even say that's understandable.

It's been reported that Tenet, and that guy that went public a year ago or so, Did take al Qaeda very seriously but W et al did not -- "Ok, you've covered your ass now..." (you'll surely point out that Clinton also did this, maybe, I've read that Clinton was serious about al Qaeda but I'm no expert on the facts).

There is this weird intel benefit, though, to "watching" groups like al Qaeda, or UBL, rather than acting isn't there? So maybe we could have been doing this for some time as you suggest, but we missed the important (bomb) details?

Anyway, I stil think the WH agonies about SWIFT are... well, they "protest too much" I'd say... like some women are thought to.

[jerry]

Sue, I'll have to go re-read the article to comment... but not tonight. This has been my decade of disillusion and I am frankly exhausted! How can I be expected to function when reporters' conflicting "rough drafts of history" are constantly thrown in the path of my beautiful conceptions? :-)

[topsecretk9]

--Ok, well, maybe we were... secretly using SWIFT...?--

nope...but we were using Eschalon.

[topsecretk9]

No offense Jerry--

--There is this weird intel benefit, though, to "watching" groups like al Qaeda, or UBL, rather than acting isn't there? So maybe we could have been doing this for some time as you suggest, but we missed the important (bomb) details?--

because I think you are being genuine...but there were 4 major terror attack against us by al queda BEFORE 9-11 ...3 of which people died...on Clinton's watch...if ever there were dots!

Clinton kicked the can down the road because he knew in order to do what needed to be done would be a political nightmare, not because he didn't care...so yes i will bring up Clinton but only to point out to you... 8 months vs. 8 years is not a comparison of someone serious or honest -- not to bash Clinton.

So **watching** obviously didn't work..because they were able to do it again. And by watching? Doesn't that include tapping into their communications?

To be clear, I am not blaming Clinton, but I am merely pointing out that the left clearly doesn't see a terror threat or else when say the USAA Cole was bombed they would have demanded more be done...and I don't take the the left including the NYT's seriously anymore either because, for instance, they were the ones CLAMORING for hearings and commissions and answers and dot connecting on the one hand and when 9-11 commish members asked the NYT's not to reveal swift the spit in their face.

So the clamoring wah bullshit.

[PeterUK]

Jerry,
"Come on, there's not just the jihadi's involved but also a far larger number of willing American innocents pulled into a giant threat detector whose private data output is secret and where ethical oversight is actively discouraged (for "national security" reasons)."

Nice to know you are in the habit of transfering sums of money internationally,otherwise your statement is simply idiotic.Whilst this might affect you and your mega-rich socialist masters,it does not impinge on the average citizen.
It is interesting when the left are up in arms on behalf of plutocracy.

[lurker]

Topsecret,

Funny how the media, specifically NYT, that strongly URGED the Bush adm to start tracking the financial records...just a few days after 9/11; yet, none of them went after Clinton a few days after the 1993 WTC attack or the USS Cole.

Jerry, like I said before, it's not just that one single leak that many "dost protest too much", it's the culmination of leaks, including Murtha's Haditha leak, that lead up to the recent NYT leak that people are getting tired of seeing one leak after another. People are getting tired of seeing you "Anti-Bush" guys, filled with BDS and Bush hate and anger leaking stuff and spreading false stories.

Give us a break about protesting a single leak.

[lurker]

Go Bush!!

Bush said it was a secret program.

Arlen

Guess Mac's still not impressed with him.

[Black Jack]

Clarice, I'm not suggesting the dupe didn't try to collect the deposit, I'm saying someone that dumb would not be given a key assignment: delivering the truck/bomb to the target.

I have no problem with the notion the organizer would employ misdirection to aid the team's escape efforts. But, it is inconceivable such a careful planner would put the success of the mission in the hands of some fool he intended to throw to the wolves, especially when said fool was already possessed of sufficient information to realize the double cross.

[clarice]

That doesn't seem to be a task that requires a great deal of intelligence, Black Jack. Not like flying a jetliner or arranging for a complicated money transfer or coordinating the arrival of a number of ment to different airports to take different planes leaving for cross country destinations at the same time.

As for the prosecution of the NYT, Patterico suggests that in a vain effort to dissuade the paper from publishing, we briefed them and to do so declassified the information which formed the basis for the story. Of coursek, that still leaves the reporters to be Fitzjailed to reveal their sources.
http://patterico.com/2006/06/30/4801/patterico-vindicated-on-wsj-role-in-breaking-swift-story/>Another brilliant move by Negroponte<.a>

[Sue]

Jerry,

Don't bother.

[DAMARI]

CITIBANK ATTORNEY TOLD THE US DEPT OF LABOR WAGE AND HOUR DIVISION THAT I AM STILL AN EMPLOYEE AND THAT THEY WILL SEND ME A LETTER EXPLAINING THIS TO ME BUT YET I HAVE ABOUT 9 DOCUMENTS WHICH CLEARLY READ THAT I WAS TERMINATED
PLEASE HELP ME

AN EMPLOYEE OF CITIGROUP IS SENDING ME EMAIL WITH A VIRUS ATTACHED! WHAT ELSE WILL THEY DO?

Carmel doesn’t want to have a McDonalds or other such franchises but they allow a corporation in which treats ethical employees with wrongfully termination while out of work with a doctors note and they lie to their clients in Carmel about why I am not their anymore. WHY??? Why don’t they just tell them that they fired me while I was at home ill? I don’t have a problem with telling them the truth why do they?

WHY DOES CITIBANK IN CARMEL LIE TO THEIR CLIENTS ABOUT WHY I AM NO LONGER AT THE BANK? ARE THEY ASHAMED OF WHAT THEY DID TO ME? THEY KNOW VERY WELL THAT I DID NOT LEAVE TO WORK WITH MY HUSBAND THEY FIRED ME VIA UPS AND I AM ON DISABILITY DUE TO THEIR TREATMENT, THREATS AND HARASSMENT
Why hasn’t Citibank responded to the Dept. of Thrift Supervision and what else will they lie about to the Dept. of Fair Employment & Housing ?
Citibank Ethics?! Please post & forward my story I need your help, please help us get this story out, please forward to everyone you know. Why do the employees at branch 915 in Carmel, Ca., tell their clients that I left the bank to go work for my husband, instead of telling them the truth which is that I was fired on 12/13/05 via UPS & their HR- Connect One system has me as an active employee out on disability and now I am an active employee on leave of absence with pay. So, am I fired or on leave of absence??? If I am on leave of absence then why don’t they say that instead of lying to the clients and telling them that I left to work for my husband. I don’t work for my husband, I am not allow to work , I am ill thanks to Jeff Ursino and Citibank treatment. Why won’t they tell the truth to the clients and what else are they lying about? Are they ashamed of what they have done? Perhaps I should take out an AD in the local paper and tell the community the truth myself? Why do these employees tell clients that they aren’t allow to talk about why I am not at the bank, but yet when they do talk about it they lie!!
On 5/31/06
Sharon Law Tucker sent me her new business card and asked me to call her because she had miss placed my phone number during the phone call she mentioned that it was Laura Richardson which told her a few months ago that I left to work for my husband, is there anyone at the Carmel branch that can tell the truth???
The letter I’ve include with this email is from a concern client of Citibank
My question is will the teller be fired and if not why not? This teller left out about $10,000.00 in the unlocked front drawer 2 different times with in a two week period and had two shortages in one year, one for $100.00 and the other for $450.00.
Where the cash drawer is concern two employees signed the vault book stating they witness her put the cash away, obviously not true.
One of these two employees had the bank pay for her daughters overdrafts and the manage was aware, against company policy.
This teller entered false referrals into the systems to make the banks numbers look better and this was done under the supervision and direction of the supervisor, when I brought this up to the manager none of the three tellers which input false referrals were written up, falsifying bank documents and no write up but I get written up for missing a Saturday, why? Unfair and unequal treatment by the manager. Where are the ethics?
As I’ve stated, the unethical employees still have jobs and I get fired after the manager receives my email on 12/13/05 at about 1:45 p.m., and he acknowledges receiving it, it clearing answers his question/comment that he was calling to see if I was coming. The email states that my doctor had called in and spoke to Kathleen: as well as faxing in my doctors note which the manager returned to me with my termination letter received two days after I had been fried with no check, with no break down explanation, no vacation pay, misleading information and so on, note clearly stating my disability time off. Did he read the doctors note? Did he let upper management know that my doctor had call and faxed information?
The manager called I returned his call but he was with a client.
I requested to communicate via email and I emailed him, Kathleen and Human Resource, so why was I fired sometime after he received my email and the end of the day if he was just calling to see if I was coming in and if not to contact HR? Unfair and unequal treatment.
It makes no sense. Why weren’t the labor codes followed? Did he get HR permission to fire me?
Why then wasn’t my check included with my letter of termination? Aren’t I to be fired at the location which I work? Were my rights violated when he had Kevin send me my termination letter, did he know I was getting fired prior to me receiving my letter?
March 25, 2006 Dear Ms. Deloney,
I would like to take a moment and thank you for responding to my comments regarding Damari and the manager. I am sure that you are a very busy and important person and I appreciate your time. Damari is truly missed at the bank, since her unfair termination by the manger, the atmosphere at the bank is boring to say the least. Damari added life and laughter and she enjoyed serving the customers. I feel deeply, that the manager made a huge mistake in dismissing her while she was ill. What kind of a manager would dismiss an employee while they are ill?
As I say this, I now have further concerns about another teller name Andrea. I was in the bank and was told that she has injured her knee and will be out of work for about six weeks. I’m sure that Andrea has a doctors note as Damari did, I hope that the manager doesn’t make the same mistake and decides to terminate her and mail her a letter before she returns as he did Damari when he terminated her instead of waiting for her to get well and return to work. Although I would understand if he were let her go as she spends most of her time at work doing her homework , reading and she isn’t available everyday. Andrea will move on, on her own to become a teacher, this is what she goes to school for two days a week. By her going to school, I feel this puts a strain on the staff. I understand that the rest of the tellers along with Kathleen are now having to work six days a week and Kathleen is running a window: she doesn’t have the charm or customer service skills which Damari offered the bank.
We go into the bank often and we rarely see that manager. I feel that it would be in the best interest of the bank to find a permanent manager as soon as possible, one whom appreciates competent employees as Damari. Frankly, I don’t understand how a temporary manager was given the authority to dismiss an employee such as Damari with her wonderful skills , talents and dedication to her job. Therefore my concerns are now for Andrea whom doesn‘t compare with the kind of service Damari offered your customers. As I stated before, the other tellers spend too much time speaking to customers about personal things and shopping on the computer instead of banking conversations. I frequently witness them reading and eating while at their windows: this is very unprofessional.
I feel it would be in the best interest to Citibank to launch a complete investigation on the manager, as you stated would be done and seriously consider removing him from Carmel. In my opinion since he arrived the atmosphere is tense and if I can sense it I am sure that other customers do. This manager has taken all the personal touch and charm out of the bank and I feel the employees fear for their jobs: no one should have to work under those conditions. Keeping this manager at this or any branch is sure to destroy you business. Again, thank you for your letter and taking the time to look into this situation.
Sincerely, Clifford Bagwell
In a letter dated 01/06/06,Citibank states, Pursuant to Section 1089 of the Ca. Unemployment insurance Code, regarding notification of changes in employment status, please be advised that your employment was terminated on 12/13/5 for failure to follow call in procedures
RE Section1089 and other codes which Citibank may have violated
Other codes they may have violated labor code section 208, 226, 226.3,201.25,2441, 2800,2802,2926,2927,6400,3602(6),3852,2922,civil code 47(c)
I was fired on 12/13/05,it states that each employer shall notify the employee immediately, yet I didn't find out until 12/15 as I received my notice of termination via UPS on12/15
When I was fired I was not supplied with "copies of printed statements or materials relating to claims for benefits by Citibank.
Citibank claims that I didn't follow the call-in procedure yet my doctor called on 12/12 & faxed in a notice which stated that I would be out from the 12th-16th.
Jeff claims that he called me to see if I was coming in on 12/13 at 10:25am,almost 2hrs after my shift started, he states that if I wasn't coming in that he wanted me to contact HR to inform them of my extended absence. How does one go from calling to see if I'm coming in & ask me to call HR to Jeff stating & deciding that I should be fired yet in my email to him at 1:45pm on 12/13 it states that the doctor had spoken to Kathleen & faxed in my doctors note which he returns to me w/letter of termination.
How does he justify terminating me? I was out on work related stress and my blood pressure, my doctor called for me to keep my stress & blood pressure down, as far as not calling in I had my doctor call: the call was made for me to protect my health. Why wasn't it stated in my termination letter that I failed to follow the call in procedure. Why does Citibank state to the DFEH that I called in on 11/15 & said that I would be out the rest of the week yet I worked on the that day & the supervisor approved my timecard on 11/22. What else are they not being honest about?
Why are the employees which falsify bank documents & break policy still have jobs?
Reply to Damari Stratford 1291 Ord Grove Ave, Seaside 93955 831-583-9077
CITIBANK IS NOT BEING HONEST WITH DFEH THIS IS A LETTER I SENT MY GOVERNOR
Dear Governor, First Lady and Staff,
I have been awake since 1:05 a.m. I was having a difficult time sleeping again due to my conversation with Ann Lueckeman from the DFEH. Ann and I spoke on 3/08/06, Citibank apparently faxed in their reply on 3/07/06. Ann read to me some of the statements that Citibank made on their reply Citibank states: that I called in on 11/15/05 and that I stated that I would be out the rest of the week, this is a lie!!! I happen to have my time card for the week ending 11/19/05 and it clearly shows that I worked the 15th, I was off the 16th and I worked the 17th and that I was out sick on the 18th and 19th and that the manager approved my time. Citibank states that I refused to work on Saturdays but they don't mention that I, unlike them, was willing to meet them half way. Citibank is not telling the truth. To further support that I was at work on the 15th and 17th I have my journal notes with specific times of things that occurred on those two days. How does an honest and ethical person fight against unethical people who lie? How can I protect myself if I can't afford an attorney and I can't find one to work on a contingency basis? The other night, on TV, my husband and I heard that the government spends 4 million to train wasp and I can't get help from The White House or our Senators or Congress, to defend myself against a corporation which is taking advantage and lying about this situation? The only one that has offered to help is the Governors office and although I appreciate the letter and the call from the Governors office this does not get me an attorney. I have diligently search for assistance to no avail. I am now begging for help, I can't continue to loose sleep and live on anxiety medication; this situation is wearing on me. Again, please, is there anything more that you or our government can do to help my family and I, for this wrongful termination? Why is Citibank lying? I feel like I am going to have another panic attack and I had to resign to taking medication to calm down. This is totally and completely unfair, unjust, wrong and no one should have to go through what Citibank has put my family and I through. I only wonder how many other wrongful termination's Citibank has gotten away with because people are afraid to go up against them or just don't have the money to fight and protect them selves? My husband and daughter are worried about me and so am I.
PLEASE HELP US. I don’t know what else to do and I don’t want to give up. Sincerely. Damari
AS OF 4/21/06 SENT TO THE GOVERNOR
I SPOKE WITH THE EMPLOYEE RELATIONS DIRECTOR OF CITIGROUP TODAY, IT WAS ADMITTED THAT THERE WAS SOME WRONG INFORMATION GIVEN TO THE DFEH REGARDING THE 17th OF NOVEMBER, 2005. CITIBANK WILL BE SENDING IN A "NEW' RESPONSE DUE TO NOT DOING THE INVESTIGATION THOROUGHLY THE FIRST TIME. SO WHAT ELSE ARE THEY NOT DOING THOROUGHLY OR ETHICALLY? DAMARI
I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOUR OFFICE AS I WAS TOLD I WOULD BE CONTACTED PLEASE FOLLOW UP WITH ME, THANK YOU
A BETTER EXPLANATION Mother fired by Citibank for no good reason
I am searching for an Employment Attorney willing to work on a contingency basis. I was fired while I was out sick, the managers states in a note added to my personnel file that he had called me to see if I would be coming into work on Dec. 13th but yet with my letter of termination he returned to me the faxed in doctors note, faxed in at 3:44p.m. on 12/12/05 by my doctor, which clearly stated that I would be out from 12/12-12/16/05. He sent me my letter of termination thru UPS, which arrive on 12/15/05. The manager knew that I was out on work related stress and I had a workers comp case pending. The manager states that I was fired for not complying with my warning and I asked how I could comply if I wasn't there to comply so then I get a letter from HR stating that I was fired for failure to follow the call in process but my doctor had called in for me on the 12th due to my stress level and blood pressure. The doctor had spoken to the supervisor on the 12th so they were aware that I wouldn't be in on the 13th and my doctor has the notes on my file that she had made a call in for me. Citibank did not follow their own procedures when they fired me. The EEOC has given me the right to sue and the letter arrived on 2/17/06 so my 90 days have started. The DFEH has also launched their own investigation which Citibank received notice on 1/23/06 and should be responding to the notice any day now, (as of 3/8/06they haven’t responded). I had an outstanding performance history with the bank; I had worked there for 4 years 2 months 6 days. I was the head teller one of the notary and the only Spanish-speaking teller. I have at least 40 letters of support from Citibank clients and I can prove that the manager was not equal with all the employees and although he was aware of the teller cooking the books under the direction of the supervisor none of them were put on corrective action yet I was written up for missing my first Saturday and then again when I missed my 2nd Saturday although I had a doctors note to be out of work due to my blood pressure and stress brought on by the manage and the unfairness in treatment. I had been threaten with job abandonment but at that time I hadn't missed any work long enough to be accused for this. Citibank violated code 132A of the worker comp law and I do have an attorney for that but they are unable to deal with all the other issues. I have a strong feeling that the manager never told HR that my doctor had called in for me nor did he share my doctors note with them, he is to get approval from HR before firing me yet fired me by 4:30 pm or so, I had also emailed him that day at 1:45 pm and explained that my doctor had spoken to the supervisor and faxed in a note, again he was aware that I wouldn’t be in. The manager had called my cell phone and left a message at about 10:25 am, he states that he called because I hadn’t called in a half an hour prior to my shift, which started at 8:30 a.m., why did it take him 2 hrs before calling me? And I would bet that the supervisor had made arrangements to have a teller there to cover my shift since my doctor called her. Please help my family and I. Sincerely, Damari
Home 831-583-9077 all calls to this number are screen please leave a message, Cell phone 831-236-0112 Again please help us
Sheri, (4/22/06)
The reason the conversation came to an abrupt ending is due to my frustration with this issue, yes I was upset and angry and my stomach was turning and my chest tightening, I had it get off the phone and calm down and I took some Xanax to calm the anxiety attack which I felt coming on.
As I explained on the phone, I have lost 25 pounds since Jeff Ursino first threaten me with job abandonment, I don't sleep well, I grind my teeth , I have gone to the emergency room for chest pains and a heart doctor and so much more. I have nightmares. From my house I see Highway 1, a constant reminded of the unjust done to me.
I have seen about 10 different doctors and I have been given about ten different medications, I have been seeing a therapist every Friday since Nov. 2005 and I have only missed 2 appointments with him.
My job was very important to my family and I, I have cashed in my IRA and 401k, my pension is on the way, I have sold some stocks at a lost to insure I have funds and all this because I was fired and I don't know how long I will be ill and I have bills. I have spent hours doing paper work for things such as unemployment, disability, activating credit protection dealing with connect one, Met Life. health insurance and more. I don't know how my benefits are being paid, I am not being directly billed and no one sends me the information I requested. I have lost my employee rate on my credit card and I still have to make payments to one of them.
Can you imagine arriving home and seeing a UPS envelope addressed to me from Kevin Squires only to open it and find a letter from Jeff terminating me. Every time I see a UPS truck I feel I will be getting more bad news from Citibank. I did call him, he was with a client, I called his cell phone, he didn't answer, I emailed him, he received it and didn't respond but instead fired me, he lies, he returns my doctors note which stated the time I would be off, they lie to the DFEH, why wasn't the research done thoroughly in the first place, why were both of my write ups sloppy with incorrect dates and information? I wasn't fired for my performance, Jeff just wanted to hurt me more and this was his way.
I was told that the center didn't have enough employees for some one to have Saturdays off but even though the center is short staff he fires me and allows Andrea to be out every Tuesday and Thursday but yet we were short staffed. I can't believe that all of this has happened to me for being ill and yet other employees did things that were more of a risk to the center than being out ill.
I am sorry for raising my voice at you, I hope you understand it isn't directed at you, it is about the situation which Jeff created. I can't deal with more paper work and I don't trust anything Jeff or Kathleen say, they are unethical and will say anything to make themselves look good. At this point I will not be reading the attached Arbitration policy which you attached to this email, I can't deal with more paper work, I will research other avenues and continue to tell my story since I can't sleep.
Met Life denied my long term disability but yet didn't talk to any of my doctors and I need to deal with that and other issues. Thank you for you time, Sincerely, Damari
SENT TO SHERI PAULO 5/01/06 Hello Sheri,
I received your phone call and all I want to know is what is it that we need to speak about?
I don't understand what we have to say to each other. I feel that you and Citigroup will stand behind Jeff Ursino no matter what really happened. Jeff states that he called to see if I was coming in 2 hours after my shift was to begin and if not to call HR. I did call him and emailed him but he ignored that and fired me. He returned my note which stated that I would be out and yet called to see if I was coming in, did he not read the note he returned with my letter of termination and did not Kathleen let him know that my doctor called in at least I did something about it and my doctor and I were just protecting my health. Why did they lie? You said that they got bad information and now will submit a new response to the DFEH why not check your facts first before submitting information to the DFEH? why, because Jeff Ursino couldn't tell the truth.
Hope to hear form you soon. Sincerely, Damari God bless us all
AS OF 5/3/06 ==CONNECT ONE OF CITIBANK STATES THE I AM ON LEAVE OF ABSENCES WITH PAY AND THAT I HAVE 163 HRS OF VACATION TIME 80HRS OF HOLIDAY PAY AND 96HRS OF SICK TIME YET I HAVE LETTERS WHICH STATES I WAS FIRED ON 12/13/05
05/06/06 ==IS THIS APPROPRIATE? SEARCHING FOR A CHAIR ON CITIGROUP TIME, I BET HE DOESN’T GET FIRED!AND ALL THE OTHER ONES DOING PERSONAL SEARCHES ON CITIGROUP TIME, I BET THEY DIDN’T GET WRITTEN UP OR HARRASSED AS I DID FOR BEING ILL AND WANTING TO PUT MY DAUGHTER FIRST!!!
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The medic's name is Anthony Badalamenti. Do you have records of the medic in the 3rd infantry?
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Just finished Last Dance, Last Chance. You have to pity a man for his inability to see how stupid he really was, you have to pity a mother for not being able to say "I'm Sorry" to a woman who deserves to be apologized to, and you really must applaud a woman whos love of her children, strenght in her friendships, and commitment to health helped her overcome the greatest challenge she will ever have to face. I honor Debbie Pignataro. You go girl. To Ms. Rule: Excellent job on the writing. This is my first book that I have read of yours, and I'm hooked. Now I have to find volumes 1-7. Sign me...a new and forever fan. Allison St. Pierre
You can reach Damari at [email protected]
Why was there "false/wrong information given? What does Citibank expect will happen when the doctors finally release me from disability? Does Citibank plan on giving me my job back? I was offered Cobra and then given my insurance back, why? Why did Citibank wait to the last day to respond to the DFEH and then fax in there reply with false information, they had 45 days or so to get their facts right so who gave them the false information and why? Why didn't they check their facts first?
I was fired then the status was changed to active employee out on short term disability the on leave of absence? Why was my 401k sent to me? If I am an active employee why was the rate changed on my employee credit card? Why did HR tell connect One that they had made an error yet I have a letter of termination and one letter that was sent over night to make sure that I did not return to work on 2/01/06? Why did the bank not follow their own firing procedure? If I was fired why do I have all that vacation, sick leave and holiday time. Why was I sent a check for my vacation time and then they rolled over the time to the 2006 year? Why can't I get an answer to my question regarding who is paying for my medical, dental, vision? Why is Met Life now billing me for premiums for the Life insurance policy which I carry for my husband and also mine?
I WAS AT COSTCO (5/17/06) WITH MY NEIGHBOR AND RAN INTO RICHARD WHITE HE MENTIONED THAT HE HAD GONE INTO THE BANK AND MISSED SEEING ME THERE, WHEN HE ASKED WHERE I WAS THEY TOLD HIM I HAD LEFT CITIBANK TO WORK WITH MY HUSBAND, YET AGAIN ANOTHER LIE FROM THE UNETHICAL EMPLOYEES AT CITIBANK , WHAT AND HOW DO YOU FIGHT AGAINST LIARS? I DO NOT WORK FOR MY HUSBAND, I WAS FIRED AND I AM OUT ON DISABILITY
5/19/06 My daughter and I were at Ross to day and we ran into another Citibank clients, we said hello and he said that he had gone into pay his credit card bill and when he asked about me he was told that I had left to work for my husband, yet again another lie from Citibank in Carmel. I gave him my address and asked him to put this in writing and mail it to me, he said he would get the letter out to me on Saturday

Extra! Extra! Read all about it!
DAMARI AND CITIBANK
HERE IS THE TRUTH!!
To set the record straight!
Damari was fired by Citibank in Carmel!
Damari did not leave the bank to go work for her husband!!!!
DAMARI HAD NO PLANS TO LEAVE CITIBANK!
DAMARI PLANNED ON STAYING FOR ANOTHER 16YRS.
THE BENEFITS WERE VERY IMPORTANT TO HER FAMILY!!
DAMARI WAS FIRED VIA UPS WHILE AT HOME ILL DUE TO WORK RELATED STRESS BROUGHT ON BY THE MANAGER AND THE UNFAIR AND UNEQUAL TREATMENT OF EMPLOYEES
ALONG WITH BEING THREATEN AND HARASSED
BY THE MANAGER FOR JOB ABANDOMENT.
SEVERAL OF
Citibank clients have TOLD HER that they have been told by the staff at the Carmel branch :
THAT SHE LEFT TO GO WORK FOR HER HUSBAND!
THIS IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE!!!!
What else will they lie about?
Are they ashamed of what was done??
WHY DO THEY FEEL THEY NEED TO SAY SHE LEFT TO GO WORK WITH HER HUSBAND INSTEAD OF JUST TELLING THE TRUTH ?
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE CARMEL BRANCH THAT COULD SWEAR TO THIS? NO!
You can reach Damari at [email protected]
ENOUGH WITH THE LIES CITIBANK!!!
IF YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD THIS PLEASE SEND HER AN EMAIL
Dear Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, 01/28/06
My name is Damari Carollo Stratford, my daughter, Leah Carollo, attends Seaside High School and I wanted to personally thank you for visiting the school on Friday, January 27, 2006.
My husband, Jeff Stratford and I have a small plumbing business named JND Plumbing, Inc., we, as a company, we donated money to the volley ball team to purchase 36 warm up uniforms for the girls. My daughter was on the freshman team and I was team mom and proud of it. I never missed a game and I drove to all the away games with team players in my mini van. I made sure they had sandwiches, fruit and water for all the away games and water for all the home games and practices.
On, December 13th, Citibank in Carmel, California wrongfully terminated me. On, Dec. 15th, 2005 I received a letter via UPS telling me that I had been terminated on the 13th. At the time I was terminated I was in the middle of a pending workers comp case which wasn’t denied until Dec. 21st, 2005, this is in violation of code 132A of the workers comp law. Also, I had been out of work since the 6th of December with a doctor’s note, 2 notes that excused me from work from the 6th thru the 16th. I was out due do work related stress and anxiety. My doctor called in for me, upon my request, spoke to Kathleen and faxed in my doctors note on 12/12/05. According to HR, Chrys Smith, I was terminated for ‘ failure to follow call in procedure’ on 12/13/05. My doctors note which had been faxed in on the 12th was returned to me with my letter of termination from Jeff Ursine, acting manager of the branch. The note clearly stated that I would be out from the 12th thru the 16th.
I went and spoke to an attorney in Salinas, California and after about 45 minutes to an hour of listening to what I had to say, they took the case on a contingency basis. Also, I have filed a complaint with the EEOC and they have launched an investigation on my behalf.
I was not allowed an exit interview, which is their policy, nor was I ever asked to turn in my keys, which is also their policy. I was a very good employee and my reviews can prove this, one of them even stated the I
‘ Greatly exceeded expectations’. I was the Head teller, a Notary and the only Spanish-speaking teller. Before some one is terminated they are, per their own policy, to consider the employees performance. I worked the for 4 years 2 months and 6 days.
Please take some time and read the pages I have sent you and also forward it to your friend Oprah because when you and her speak people listen. This situation has caused my family and I emotional and financial burden and I need some help. Corporate America needs to be kinder to their employees and more understanding of their personal needs.
I am currently on disability and the legal system is too slow, I need help now. Due to loosing my job I can no longer offer the athletes at Seaside High School the financial support that I was willing to give them but I will still give my time. We need more parents like me, please help me.
Sincerely,
Damari C. Stratford
1291 Ord Grove Avenue
Seaside, Ca. 93955
Home phone: 831.583.9077
Dear Office of Thrift Supervision.

RE: letter dated 06/05/06
Case # 0505382006
Citibank advised you that Human Resources and Employment Legal Departments have handles this internal matter. How did they handle this matter? They lie to clients about why I am not there. They tell clients that I left to work for my husband, this is a lie. Lisa Austin from Citibank Benefits departments states that when I come back to work they will set up payments for arrears regarding my benefits yet how can I go back to work if they fired me? Citibank states in a letter to a former clients on 3/13/06 that they would like to thank her for the comments on “our former” employee.
Citibank lied to the Department of fair Housing and employment and they are telling lies to clients, what else will they lie about? Citibank never offered me FMLA, violated Labor codes and this is all I get?
I would like details of what was said. If Citibank will lie to the DFEH and clients they will lie to you also.
You say you can’t provide me assistance but Citibank gets away with lies, wrongful termination, etc. I was not fired at work I was fired while at home, ill with a doctors note. How can they get away with ruining my life and lying to clients about it. Their Human resources department has had me listed as terminated, then on short term disability and now on leave of absences, so which is it? Am I suppose to go back to work there when my doctor releases me from disability. If I am an active employee on leave of absences then why did they send me my pension, change me employee rate on my credit card and make me do something with my 401k?
Would you kindly ask them what my status is ?
Sincerely
Damari Stratford

[DAMARI]

The Monterey County Herald
Attn: Herald Executive Editor, Carolina Garcia
8 Upper Ragsdale
Monterey, CA 93940
[email protected]
(831) 646-4306

Ms. Garcia,

I have attempted through several sources to clarify my
position regarding my unfair treatment by my previous
employer, Citibank. I had no previous plans to leave
my position as Head Teller at the Citibank branch in
Carmel. After 4 years of employment with the company,
the unfair and unequal treatment of employees led to
medically supervised work-related stress. The manager
of the branch then accused me of job abandonment which
led to my termination via UPS delivery on December 15,
2005, while I was at home on medical leave.

Subsequent to my termination, I received numerous
correspondences that referenced me as terminated, no
longer with the company, and as a former employee. My
401K and pension have both been forwarded to me.
However, when interviewed by the Department of Fair
Employment and Housing, Citibank representatives
reported that I was terminated due to not personally
reporting my absence, but rather having medical
documentation reported by my physician. When
interviewed by the U. S. Department Wage and Hours
Division, Citibank representatives reported on August
8, 2006, that I was still an employee of the company
and that a letter indicating such would be forwarded
to me. To date, this letter has not been received.

I have continued to be in contact with several clients
that have stated that Citibank representatives
indicated that I was either on vacation, or that I
voluntarily resigned in order to work with my husband
in his new business. This is absolutely untrue. It was
my intention to continue my employment as the benefits
were extremely important to me, as well as to my
family.

Clearly, there has been a gross misrepresentation by
Citibank, either to its clients or to the U. S.
Department Wage and Hours Division. It is my position
that I was unfairly terminated by Citibank. The
unscrupulous behavior of Citibank and its
representatives, locally and at the corporate level,
is unacceptable.

It is also my opinion that if a corporation as large
as Citibank is representing itself on a local level,
the local management and staff should act accordingly.
A large part of the attraction of the Monterey area is
the sense of community that is felt here on a day to
day basis. If Citibank is allowed to misrepresent its
actions to clients and government agencies, where will
the corporate takeover end?

Sincerely,




Damari Stratford
[email protected]
[email protected] wrote:

Subject: Re: Your message to the governor was received
THE GOVERNOR HAS WRITTEN ME TWICE AND SAID HE WOULD
HELP,, CITIBANK HAS LIED TO THE DFEH AND US LABOR DEPT
WAGE AND HOUR DIVISION AND TO THEIR CLIENTS ABOUT MY
STATUS, I NEED HELP, HOW CAN I FIGHT WHEN THIS
CORPORATION IS TELLING LIES AND HAS ALL THE LAWYERS
THEY NEED AND I CAN'T AFFORD ONE. HOW MANY TIMES ARE
THEY GOING TO GET AWAY WITH MISTREATING EMPLOYEES
ON 8/8/06 RONAN FROM THE US DEPT OF LABOR WAS TOLD BY
A CITIBANK ATTORNEY THAT THEY WOULD SEND ME A LETTER
EXPLAINING MY STATUS AS STILL AN EMPLOYEE, I HAVE YET
TO GET THIS LETTER, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO PUT A
LETTER TOGETHER IF THEY ARE TELLING THE TRUTH?
YOUR OFFICE AS WELL AS THE FIRST LADY'S OFFICE HAS
CALLED ME BUT WE AREN'T GETTING ANYWHERE. IT HAS BEEN
7 MONTHS SINCE I FIRST WROTE THE GOVERNOR. CITIBANK
ATTORNEYS HAVE CANCELLED 2 DEPOSITIONS AT THE LAST
MINUTE THE LAST INE THEY CANCELLED WAS AFTER TALKING
TO THE US LABOR DEPARTMENT,WHY?
MY JOB WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO MY FAMILY AND I PLEASE
HELP ME AND MY FAMILY AND ALL THOSE BEFORE ME THAT
HAVE BEEN WRONGFULLY TERMINATED BY CITIBANK FOR NO
GOOD REASON
WHY IS EVERYONE SO AFRAID OF CITIGROUP? WHY CAN'T I
FIND AN ATTORNEY WILLING TO STAND UP TO THEM ON A
CONTINGENCY BASIS? I VOTED FOR THE GOVERNOR AND I NEED
HIM NOW
PLEASE CALL ANN FROM THE DFEH AT 408-277-1916 THEY
TOLD HER THAT I HAD CALLED IN ILL ON 11/15/05 AND THAT
I TOLD THEM I WOULDN'T BE IN, THIS IS A LIE I WORKED
THAT DAY AND I CAN PROVE THIS WITH MY IME CARD, THEN
THEY SAY THEY MADE AN ERROR
PLEASE CALL RONAN AT 415-744-5590 EXT 226 FROM THE US
LABOR DEPT TO VERIFY WHAT CITIBANK ATTORNEYS SAID. THE
ONLY REASON THEY OFFERED ME FMLA IS BECAUSE I FILED
FOR DISABILITY, BEFORE THAT THEY HAD PAID OUT MY FINAL
PAYCHECK, FIRED ME VIA UPS, SENT ME COBRA INFORMATION.
PLEASE HELP US PLEASE SEE THAT THE GOVERNOR GETS THIS
EMAIL AND ASK HIM TO MAKE A CALL ON MY BEHALF
CORPORATE AMERICA NEEDS TO TAKE BETTER CARE OF THEIR
GOOD EMPLOYEES AND NOT ALLOW A MANAGER WITH BAD SKILLS
TO FIRE SOMEONE JUST BECAUSE HE WANTS TO
SINCERELY DAMARI STARTFROD
MOTHER WIFE HUMAN BEING AND I VOTED FOR THE GOVERNOR
I MATTER TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


CITIBANK IN CARMEL LIES TO CLIENTS ABOUT WHY I AM NOT
THERE. THEY TELL PEOPLE THAT I AM ON VACATION OR THAT
I LEFT TO WORK FOR MY HUSBAND INSTEAD OF TELLING THEM
HAT THEY FIRED ME AFTER MY DOCTOR FAXED IN A NOTE AND
CALLED IN FOR ME TO PROTECT ME FROM HAVING MY BLOOD
PRESSRE RISE. JEFF URSINO AND KATHLEEN MUNOZ LIES TO
ANN AT THE DFEH AND THEIR LAWYERS LIED TO THE US DEPT
OF LABOR. KATHLEN WAS DOING THE OVERDRAFT ON HER
DAUGHTERS ACCOUNTS AND REFUNDED HER OWN DAUHGTER MONEY
WHILE THE MANAGER WAS ON VACATION. SHE LIES ABOUT
BEING FIRED FROM WELLS FARGO, SHE LIED TO THE WORKERS
COMP PEOPLE AND WILL LIE TO ANYONE. KATHLEEN HAD
INSTUCTED THE OTHER TELLERS TO COOK THE BOOKS BY
HAVING THEM PUT IN FALSE REFEERALS AND JEFF URSINO DID
NOTHING ABOUT IT BUT I GOT WRITTEN UP FOR MISSING WORK
WITH A DOCTORS NOTE. THEY STATE TO ONE AGENCY THAT I
WAS FIRED AND TO THE OTHER THAT I AM STILL EMPLOYED,
THEY STATE I WAS FIRED FOR NOT CALLING IN YET I WAS
RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO HAVE MY DOCTOEOR CALL IN AND FAX
MY NOTE IN DUE TO THE STRESS AND HARRASSMENT BROUGHT
ON BY JEFF AND CITIBANK, WHERE ARE THE ETHICS IN THIS
COMPANY


NOW THEY ARE TELLING MORE LIES TO THE DEPT OF FAIR
EMPLOYMENT AND HOUSING JEFF TELLS THEM WHY I WAS FIRED
AND THEIR LAWYERS TELL THE US DEPT OF LABOR THAT I AM
STILL EMPLOYEED
PLEASE HELP US GET THIS STORY OUT TO THE WORLD IF IT
ISN'T TOO MUCH TO ASK:) HOW DO YOU FIGHT LIARS, HOW DO
THEY SLEEP AT NIGHT
CITIBANK IN CARMEL 831-624-8258 CALL AND ASK THEM
WHERE I AM ASK FOR KATHLEEN AND ASK HER WHY SHE LIES
THIS WOMAN WAS HAVING CITIBANK PAY FOR HER DAUGHTER
OVERDRAFTS AND HER A TELLER REFUND HER OWN DAUGHTER
MONEY WHILE THE MANAGER WAS OUT ON VACATION SO WHY
SHOULD ANYONE BELEIVE THIS UNETHICAL PERSON JUST AS
JEFF URSINO THE MANAGER OF THE CAPITOLA BRANCH LIES TO
HIS BOSSES TO MAKE HIMSELF LOOK BETTER PLEASE HELP US
WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME
HOW DO YOU FIGHT A CORPORATION LIKE THIS
Extra! Extra! Read all about it!
DAMARI AND CITIBANK HERE IS THE TRUTH!!
To set the record straight!
Damari was fired by Citibank in Carmel!
Damari did not leave the bank to go work for her
husband!!!!
DAMARI HAD NO PLANS TO LEAVE CITIBANK!
DAMARI PLANNED ON STAYING FOR ANOTHER 16YRS.
THE BENEFITS WERE VERY IMPORTANT TO HER FAMILY!!
DAMARI WAS FIRED VIA UPS WHILE AT HOME ILL DUE TO WORK
RELATED STRESS BROUGHT ON BY THE MANAGER AND THE
UNFAIR AND UNEQUAL TREATMENT OF EMPLOYEES
ALONG WITH BEING THREATEN AND HARASSED
BY THE MANAGER FOR JOB ABANDOMENT.
SEVERAL OF
Citibank clients have TOLD HER that they have been
told by the staff at the Carmel branch :
THAT SHE LEFT TO GO WORK FOR HER HUSBAND!
THIS IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE!!!!
What else will they lie about?
Are they ashamed of what was done??
WHY DO THEY FEEL THEY NEED TO SAY SHE LEFT TO GO WORK
WITH HER HUSBAND
( I DO NOT WORK FOR MY HUSBAND)
( I DO NOT WORK FOR JND PLUMBING)
(NOR AM I ON VACATION)
INSTEAD OF JUST TELLING THE TRUTH ?
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE CARMEL BRANCH THAT COULD SWEAR
TO THIS? NO!
You can reach Damari at [email protected]
ENOUGH WITH THE LIES CITIBANK!!!
IF YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD THIS PLEASE SEND HER AN EMAIL
CITIBANK TOLD
THE US LABOR DEPT WAGE AND HOUR DIVISION ,
ON 08/08/06
THAT I AM STILL AN EMPLOYEE
YET I HAVE LETTERS AND DOCUMENTS
THAT CLEARLY USE THE WORDS
TERMINATED
NO LONGER WITH THE COMPANY
FORMER EMPLOYEE
AND MY 401K AND PENSION HAVE BEEN SENT TO ME AS OF
8/24/06 I HAVE YET TO GET THE LETTER FROM CITIBANK
WHICH EXPLAINS HOW I AM STILL AN EMPLOYEE! HOW LONG
DOES IT TAKE TO WRITE A LETTER IF YOU ARE TELLING THE
TRUTH HOW CAN THEY SAY TO THE US DEPT OF LABOR THAT I
AM STILL AN EMPLOYEE YET THEY TELL THE DFEH THAT THEY
FIRED ME FOR NOT CALLING IN, WHAT IS THE TRUTH
CITIBANK??????????
CITIBANK STATES THAT I WAS FIRED FOR NOT CALLING IN
YET MY DOCTOR CALLED IN FOR ME THE DAY BEFORE AND ALSO
FAXED IN A NOTE FOR ME WHICH THE MANAGER RETURNED TO
ME WITH MY LETTER OF TERMINATION. THEY KNEW THE DAY
BEFORE THAT I WASN'T COMING IN SO WHY WOULD HE CALL TO
ASK IF I WAS COMING IN IF IT WAS CLEARLY STATED ON THE
NOTE AND TOLD TO THEM BY MY DOCTOR TO PROTECT MY
HEALTH
JUST MORE LIES BY THE CITIBANK STAFF IN CARMEL

[Damari]

Thank you for all the comments, good, bad and indifferent.For those of you whom I upset I am very sorry. It has now been about a year and things are moving along, yes I have had some, alot of therapy, this hit me hard but we are moving on. I have 2 attorneys dealing with this. I admitt that I had alot to learn and I have learned that we really don't matter to corporate America it really is just about profits. My fight is not just for me but for all those wrongfully treated by corporate America. I didn't realize that all caps was so offensive, sorry to that one. Life is all about learning and this was a very hard lesson for us. Again, sorry if I offended anyone I am getting better now. As far as the manager goes, he will just have to live with what he has done and I wish him and his family the best hoping that no one ever treats them as he did us. God Bless Us All

[Damari]

Working mother at Citibank, how did they make the list of the “Best 100 Companies for Working Mothers?
Please help us if you can along with the Senator

To: Senator Barbara Boxer, Feb. 18, 2007
Also: Jason J Chan,
1700 Montgomery Street, Suite 240
San Francisco, Ca.94111

Regarding your letter of February 5, 2007, thank you. You state that you will submit a formal inquiry to the U.S. Department of Labor (DOL) and that this may take up to 4-5 weeks. In that case I have taken the liberty to put together this binder as to hopefully speed up the process or maybe just so you have it to review.
In this binder I can show the Jeff Ursino was not fair and equal to all the employees and although others violated policy I am the only one he fired. Citibank did not follow their own policy much less that of the Ca. Labor laws and codes.
I don’t believe that Citibank has been honest with their clients as well as the DFEH and DOL.
Citibank did not submit a new statement regarding 11/15/05 to the DFEH and seem to stand behind their “ bad Information”. I worked the day they state I called in and supposedly stated that I would be out the rest of the week, not true. What else is branch 915, Jeff Ursino, Kathleen Munoz and their corporate attorneys in New York willing to lie about?
Please help us get to the truth about why Jeff really fired me. Why does Citibank stand behind Jeff and his lies and much more? The teller that left about $10,000.00 out is still working their and to my knowledge was not written up and yet this was worse for the bank than me just wanting to care for my daughter and having my doctor call in for me.
Jeff made error after error with the write ups and the firing procedure of Citibank. Why did Jeff Ursino and Citibank feel I wasn’t worthy of an exit interview? Why was I fired at home and not at my place of work? Why was I not given a verbal or informal warning as is Citibank policy?
Please go through or have someone review my notes and proof of their dishonesty. Please help us and all those wrongfully terminated by corporate America.. It is time for Corporate America ethics Reform. Senator Boxer if I had been a bad employee I would have just walked away but I wasn’t. I have letters from clients that truly appreciated me and my work and even Citibank has acknowledge that I was great for the Carmel branch, so why fire me and throw me out like yesterdays trash? Because Jeff Ursino just didn’t like me and was out to fire me from the moment he threaten me with job abandonment before I had ever missed a Saturday. Why? As I told Dr. Lowell and all the other doctors I have seen, “this just doesn’t make sense!” I have spent the past 14 months fighting for my rights, please help me and my family, we need more moms like me that want to be their for their children and teenagers are children.
I look forward to hearing from you, thank you so very much for writing back or at least someone from your office, thanks Jason J. Chan.
Sincerely,
Damari Stratford
1291 Ord Grove Ave, Seaside, Ca 93955-3119
Cell 831-236-0112 Home 831-583-9077 Fax 831-393-9464

God Bless Us All

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