Haditha Open Thread

Let's have an open thread on Haditha - this LA Times story about the failure of the Marine chain of command to investigate with vigor can be a launching point.

Marines Missed 'Red Flags,' Study Finds

Corps failed to inquire further into killing of civilians in Haditha, a disclosed summary says.

By Julian E. Barnes and Tony Perry, Times Staff Writers
June 21, 2006

WASHINGTON — A report on the killing of 24 Iraqi civilians by U.S. Marines has found that senior military personnel in Iraq failed to follow up on "red flags" that should have indicated problems with and potential inaccuracies in initial accounts of the incident, according to a portion of the report's summary.

The report questions why senior military officers in western Iraq failed to investigate further what happened in the town of Haditha when they learned that civilians there had been killed in the November incident. A portion of the executive summary of the report, by Army Maj. Gen. Eldon Bargewell, was read to The Times by a Defense Department official who requested anonymity because the report had not been released publicly.

Comments

[Carol Herman]

You can't scare Pinch. He sees that the traitorous Kerry got to run as presidential termited timber for the donks. They're like devious contractors who never cared much for the products they sell. So fire away.

So far, with all that fire, not one of them has been punished. Dan RaTHer was made to sweat a little; but he applied pressure back. All he lost was "future pay." He's still got enough.

None of them are paying any price!

And, if there's a mill to the justice system, it's not man made. Just that PEOPLE, themselves, in a democracy, are turning away from the remains of the donks.

Does that change the equation? NO. One of the better ways we are all better off is that all the military and all the police won't go into the streets to fight FOR them. Iraq's different. Close to a "stinkystan" status,it's every tribe for itself.

Our men are not safe, there. Perhaps, in france, during WW2, our men were safer. Ditto for Italy. But those marginal countries have collapsed back on themselves.

One reason Donald Rumsfeld is winning; and our schooled, but less than genius, commanders in the Pentagon are not. Is that the left confuses gaining ground BY defeating civilians, and sticking them under their thumbs, as the way to having a UN type "global village." Well, where's there idiots? hillary's in the senate. pinch still lunches at his desk on 42nd street, gleefully wiping his mouth KNOWING the paper absorbed 9/11 money to build him a monstrosity. So, they keep on building.

It's never been about "their" money. Or any prices they pay for treason.

On the other hand, a majority of Americans have caught on. Like with the french; and the other continental basket cases; it ain't bad when word of mouth tells ya to hold back. Close your purses and pockets. And, be far less enamored.

At least pinch is shown to be a short man, capable of being measured even shorter. And, Ms. Run Amok's tongue is tied. (Wonder how they teach kids in journalism schools to lose even the ability to sputter.)

[Semanticleo]

Maguire;

How long are you going to let the blockbuster story of Santorum's WMD's being found, languish?

[clarice]

Here's a good take on that story BYW.http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014479.php

[Gary Maxwell]

With a name like Cleo, you must be a avid follower of one Jerome Armstrong. Seems he used to predict stock market movements, political upheaval etc via astrology. Now I know where you are getting you fascinating information and phenomenal insight. And when Jupiter aligns with Mars peace will reign the planet...

[Cecil Turner]

Big waste of time for our troops that the media will never believe and report it as a cover-up.

Concur. These guys were responding to a surprise IED attack. It is unreasonable to expect them to assault and simultaneously keep a vidlog. Besides (assuming this was righteous) the problem wasn't in the evidence, but in higher HQ's PR efforts in telling the story afterward.

If it went exactly as SSgt Wutterich claimed, the story is that insurgents hid among civilians during an attack, and many of the latter were tragically killed in the fight. The loss of life was directly a result of the insurgents flouting the laws of war, and the blame rests squarely with them. Instead, either by miscommunication or design, the claim was that the civilian loss of life was from the IED. That incorrect information caused the current credibility gap, and video wouldn't answer. Further, I think it's apparent certain media outlets are predisposed to run with the insurgents' version of events, so unless the evidence is incontrovertible . . .

[PeterUK]

"And when Jupiter aligns with Mars peace will reign the planet...Your head in Uranus would also fit.

[clarice]

Dan Iehl is doing a number on the Kos/Armstrong bit/ He's dug up Armstrong's astrology career and this Armstrong astrology as political strategy thingy..http://web.archive.org/web/20030211083944/astroworld.mydd.com/archives/000384.html LMAO.
PUK , you must do a KosNicht parody..

[clarice]

***Dan Riehl***

[Carol Herman]

Gary Maxwell: I think "cleo" is Leo.

Funny, how the clowns find us, even when we don't seek them out. And, everyone with a college degree wants to play "semantical" games with them. Ya know? I can't imagine why. To see spittle move through the air?

[clarice]

“I predict the Dems will take all fifty states when Venus aligns with Jupiter and kisses Mars butt. Pardon me if I don’t ask the latest Democrat wizard-kid what he has to say about that.”www.riehlworldview.com/ca…troot.html

[Gary Maxwell]

Everyone is up in arms about the marketing/touting scheme that Kos and his bud Jerome are pulling. I think there is no genius there at all. If these guys were really marketing geniuses, they would surely start marketing a bugler sounding retreat as a ring tone. With all these Democrats who think this is great stategy, it could be a hot seller to a large chunk of the American public.

[boris]

Gary Maxwell: I think "cleo" is Leo.

Sorry Carol, "cleo" is actually "clown".

[clarice]

I still don't understand why we are wasting time posting here and making TM rich on ad revenue (*LOL*) when we could be thinking up ways to scam money from the DUmmies.
Okay, so that would be wrong, but while we aren't ,Kos and Armstrong are. What's the point of moral superiority anyway? Seems masochistic to me.

[PeterUK]

Don't put your Leo on the page, Mrs. Anticleo,
Don't put your Leo on the page,
The profession is overcrowded
And the struggle's pretty tough
And admitting the fact
She's burning to act,
That isn't quite enough.
She has nice hands, to give the wretched girl her due,
But don't you think her bust is too
Developed for her age?
I repeat
Mrs. Anticleo,
Sweet
Mrs. Anticleo,
Don't put your daughter on the stage.

[Gary Maxwell]

Clarice

Feel free to steal my bugler sounding retreat ringtone idea. Those bozos will eat it up. Just having to be nice to them in the marketing of it is way too difficult for me.

[clarice]

We could try the Studio 54 approach--rude marketing. They're masochistic anyway. It'll work. Pretend we're some Third World WeirdBeards.

[PeterUK]

"PUK , you must do a KosNicht parody"
Clarice point me to one,I never go to Bedlam,even for amusement.

[Patton]

Best policy if we actually had a real 18th Century wartime President would be end all these investigations, Bush should go on television, suspend all investigations and tell the public we are dealing with an enemy that does not play by any rule book and a world wide press corp that is more suportive of Al Queda them of free democray.

So you can take back your reporters, we won't protect them, transport them, etc. since they are just looking to hurt the war effort.

We will kill this enemy whenerer and whereever we find them as long as I am President, in order to preserve the future for freedom and democracy.

We didn't ask for this war and we didn't start it..they have been spoiling for a fight and attacking us for 30 years, now they are finally going to get what's coming to them.

[PeterUK]

Marketing is no problem,put up a condolences page when Fidel drops off the perch,then just mail all the responders,there's your market.

[clarice]

I*shudder* don't either..Maybe Jeff will show up and help us out. .

[clarice]

Some good news, the Iraqis have taken off the gloves and we and they are battling the Sadr militia..something we held back on until a unification government could be formed.

[Patton]

"""In a war where our enemies tell lies about us as their only really successful tactic, we have to fight back. And having as complete an after-action report as possible is part of fighting back.""

The living victors will write the history books.

After action reports aren't even meant for the press or the public..they are meant for the battlefield commanders and intelligence guys to get a better picture of the battlefield; to plan future actions and understand enemy strenghts and tactics.

[Carol Herman]

Ah Patton, why use now what will work better in '08? I think you've found John Bolton's clarion call into the Presidency. So that the saga continues.

The donks, if they're "rocket ship" isn't already disintegrated; will have to wake up to the thought that they've "failed in their mission." You bet, a sound of retreat would do them some good. But with "salesmen" (and I use that term loosely), like Kos and his kin, I don't think you'll see much OTHER THAN the Dan RaTHer playbook. Which was Nixon's losing bluff.

Well, wouldn't it be funny, if Nixon's bones were exhumed; and all you found was a dead democrat? Who pushed his wagon to the front of the line, anyway?

When Nixon resigned, I thought the GOP was finished. But then Carter grabbed the donks control set. And, instead, the GOP righted itself with Reagan.

Since then the MSM has coupled itself to an exploding space ship. Fragments and pieces will show up on re-entry. But there won't be any lips to give us sounds. Just pieces of junk. Some parts more recognizable than others. And, people will wonder why they were allowed to fly UP in the first place.

Well, it's not my problem.

Peter in the UK, South Florida became a strong home to the Cubans who fled. Now, sitting in this crowded theater are Blacks, and Arab terrorists. Not a particularly good mix. But I'm not sure I'd use the word "volitile." And, after "castro falls off his perch" (gee, I really like that one!) I think South Florida will bloom with Cubans active in saving their home Island. The terrorists might find it quite a jungle where their collective asses then get kicked from here to there. Some cultures just don't truck with major deformities of incompetence. You just can't use Londoners as your guide.

[clarice]

PUK, In Jeff's absence, I found this at Kaus:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/6/22/22310/2106

[BMOC]

What is the purpose of speculating about something if you don't have all the information?

[boris]

If you have all the information it's not speculation. BeMorOnCrack

[clarice]

Gee, Boris, you are so unkind to dopes.

[boris]

boris gotta do what boris gotta do

[Patton]

One has to wonder why we put up with Castro for two seconds after the Soviet Union collapsed.

I would have told him, your benefactor is gone, now we are going to finish the Cuban Missile Crises. You are now fair game again, get your anti-aircraft missiles ready..we are coming for you. You won't know when or where, but you're a dead man walking.

[Carol Herman]

Baghdad's under curfew. If you've seen it, then you know it's breaking now.

Seems the terrorists set up some road blocks. And, Al-Malaki set up the curfew. No one's allowed on the streets between 2PM and 5 PM. And, Haifa Street is being worked,house by house.

There's also going to be a meeting with American Commanders. AND, Malaki has published an order to the Iraqi commanders that he wants troublemakers identified.

It seems this is an interesting turn to events. And, up at IRAQ THE MODEL, where the comments page is coming in fast and furious, one poster put up a comment to Harry Reid's bizarre talk about "we've already been there 3 years." "Yes, Mr. Einstein, it's going to take longer than that."

But it's getting done. Amazing what Bush's visit did to get the ball rolling. And, as war's go, our losses are offset by our successess. Not that you'll read about this outside of the Net's BEST SITES.

Still, as the Kos kids are learning. Those with access to the Internet are the DEMOGRAPHIC GROUP ya want. They earn more. And, shop better. WHile Kos is learning that his "cash cow" just got some hard knocks.

The NY Times will discover, soon enough, that it's own free ride's over. Who gets to take Pinch out? Probably one of his relatives. What would that look like? Sort'a the way Dan RaTHer looks now. And, it's done in the "blink of an eye." Interests after all do shift.

[Patton]

I would think that the Pentagon has been going about this all wrong. They should tell the press, hey if these young soldiers did anything wrong, its not their fault. Its societys fault.

Some of these soldiers grew up in poverty, they were subjected to American rascism, of watching the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, they have to deal with ADD and ADHD and teachers wanting to have sex with them...Can you really blame the guy that then goes and blows away some Iraqis.

The press would eat a story like that up in a heart beat...America made me a killer - tonight on Nightline!

[topsecretk9]

TM an all...this is an instapundit link

http://somenamedia.blogspot.com/2006/06/what-kos-has-just-stepped-into.html

but look who is the commenter on the blog.

[Patton]

Well you know why the crackdown, according to the left and Chris Mathews, Killing Zarqawi would create 1,000 more Zarqawis, now we have 1,000 Zarqawis running around Baghdad...and if we kill one of them, thats a 1,000 more..so that would be 1999 Zarqawis, then if we kill another one, that's 2998 Zarqawis.

And even if we managed to kill all 1,000 at once, we would have created 1,000,000 Zarqawis.

My gosh, no wonder they want to cut and run....

[Rick Ballard]

"Who gets to take Pinch out?"

I'm rooting for FBI agents but I'll settle for Junior's family doing the trick.

There are two routes that I can identify which might hasten the process of the NYT's demise - a divestiture campaign aimed at T. Rowe Price and other major institutional shareholders and/or a targeting of the national advertisers from whom the NYT derives the majority of its revenue.

If the right had anything like the commissariat ruled by Mowlett's Ass either might work. I wonder how difficult it would be to find an old KGB agitprop specialist willing to do a bit of freelance work?

[clarice]

I cancelled my weekly subscription years ago. Kept the Sunday one for the crosswords and acrostics..Gave that up. Then I boycotted their major advertisers..have all the jewelry I need anyway. I figure it's now time for DoJ to carry the ball, Rick.

Patton I love your victim as soldier angle.

As for Baghdad today, we just needed a new Iraqi leader not beholden to Sadr and a new government to give that little prick Sadr (tool of Iran) what he should have gotten sometime ago. (It was domestic politics that saved his sorry ass for so long.) Bravo, Maliki..

[Jane]

I'm loving this Kos war with TNR. I can just see Kos running around with his eyes bugged out, trying to protect his piece of the pie. My money is on TNR.

[clarice]

Jason Zengerle who's doing that grew up in this neighborhood and was a pal of my kid. I'm getting old.(But I'm pulling for him.)

[PeterUK]

Clarice This kind of thing?

People talk about the need for the left to work together and have a unified message in the face of a unified conservative noise machine.Marxism Leninism being quite inadequate for contemperory political discourse.BTW that Lenin wrote some great songs didn't he?

So a google group was created called "Townhouse",nothing pretentious,just a little "pied a terre" in George Town and it included many bloggers and other representatives of the netroots as well as a large number of partisan journalists,as if there were any other kind, and grassroots groups.Just like Woodstock after we cashed the royalty check

It allowed us to discuss policy, issues, tactics and coordinate as much as you can ever get a bunch of liberals to coordinate.We call ourselves "liberals" because communists tends to frighten the horses.

There was one big rule for this list, an important cog in the growing Vast Left Wing Conspiracy -- everything discussed was off the record.Unless we could snag a three album deal and film rights.

That was obviously violated today as the New Republic betrayed, once again, that it seeks to destroy the new people-powered movement for the sake of its Lieberman-worshipping neocon owners,yes you got it, Jews; that it stands with the National Review and wingnutoshpere in their opposition to grassroots Democrats,or as they are known Astro-Turf Democrats.Of course,when we say people powered,we mean guided by the intelligentsia,it goes without saying, that those who vote Republican are not,by definition,people per se.

The magazine published, in its website, an email I sent to the list. There is nothing controversial about the email, but Jason Zengerle tried to spin it as evidence that there is a "smoke-filled room" and that I send "dictats" to other bloggers, controlling what they can and cannot write about.I state cetegorically that the Kos Bunker is a totally smoke and cat free environment.

In a subsequent post, Zengerle went further, saying that I control the financial fates of much of the progressive blogosphere.As I was saying to Howard Dean,"Dean,how many times have I told you never to make eye contact when you address me? My power apparently knows no bounds!"

Ludicrous, all of it, but that's the new rules of the game. TNR and its enablers are feeling the heat of their own irrelevance,yes I realise that irrelevance is probably tepid but this is simply a rhetorical device,and this is how they fight it -- by undermining the progressive movement,that great movement,nay churning of the bowels which has brought forth,John Kerry,Ted Kennedy,Nancy Pelosi and Killa Murtha

Zengerle has made common cause with the wingnutosphere, using the laughable "kosola"( A wholly owned subsidiary of KosInc) frame they created and emailing his "scoops" to them for links. This is what the once-proud New Republic has evolved into -- just another cog of the Vast RIGHT Wing Conspiracy.As opposed to the VAST right wing conspiracy,vast RIGHT WING conspiracy,well you understand what I mean.

If you still hold a subscription to that magazine, it really is time to call it quits.This I command you. If you see it in a magazine rack, you might as well move it behind the National Review or even NewsMax, since that's who they want to be associated with these days.Though it might be on the top shelf with Stud Magazine.

My name is Kosymandias. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair."

[clarice]

I knew you wouldn't let me down, but you might tell everyone else that a lot of that is taken right from DailyKos verbatim.

[PeterUK]

Clarice.Of course it is,I wouldn't sully my mind with leaden prose like that.This was apparently the original draft.

[Gary Maxwell]

I'll settle for Junior's family doing the trick.

Junior? Soprano? Wow we have uncovered yet another conspiracy. This one seems to be a big one.,

[PeterUK]

"Junior? Soprano? Wow we have uncovered yet another conspiracy. This one seems to be a big one.,"

Castrato.

[Gary Maxwell]

Meanwhile back at the Ranch, Kos is holding forth on the latest dust up. And see what you think about this little bit:

And the beauty of it is at the end of the day, they can take me down. They can take Jerome Armstrong down. They can take down Atrios. They can take down any of the so-called leaders in the movement and it doesn't matter, because this is not a leaderless movement. I used to say this was a leaderless movement, and I was wrong. It's not a leaderless movement; it's a everybody-who's-part-of-it-is-a-leader. And so you can take any single individual down, and it will continue to live on.

So Kos and the Netroots are the Borg?

[Gary Maxwell]

This is going to leave an indention when it finds its mark:

"...the only real scandal in Kosland is that Markos is a bit of an egomaniac, but I assume you'd have to be in order to succeed in creating a massive online community) in which the key metric for judging TNR's degree of progressivism isn't their warmongering, but - their opinion of Markos."

Quote from Matt Yglesia

Guess that will put Matt in the vast right wing conspiracy too.

[Gary Maxwell]

Gosh, I haven't had this much fun since we were making fun of the Democrats in Fla with Sore Loserman signs!

[clarice]

Time to dust off that old St. Crispian speech, I think.
Though the banner is passed on to the masses who will carry it forward bit is a sweet start.

[verner]

PUK, the Kos link doesn't work! Seems they pulled the entry! Did anybody cache it?

[PeterUK]

Try this one of Clsarice's

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/6/22/22310/2106

Or this

[clarice]

Kos is a bad strategist. He keeps giving his critics ammo by repeating their charges. His toops don't care. They followed him even after he admitting being on the take from Dean.

[verner]

Thanks guys.

Three words for KOS:

TOO-MUCH-GRAMSCI

Didn't I read he was a red diaper baby?
Boy does it show!

[Rick Ballard]

Verner,

Can you think of an institution infested with Gramscians that is not in decline? The strategy is parasitical in nature and quite effective but it has the same fault as all the other "reason" based tactics. The pseudo intellectuals who buy the party line are incapable of building a self sustaining entity not wholly parasitical in nature.

Education, foundations, media, much of the federal bureaucracy - none have a positive reputation and all are in various stages of decay. It's a shame that Gramsci could not have lived to die in the bitterness of his failure.

Perhaps Mowlett's Ass is simply practicing an accelerated version of Gramsci's tactic and the rot is apparent early on?

The fight to see who shall capture the flag planted on the dung hill of the left is rather amusing to watch. From a distance.

[PeterUK]

Rick,
"Can you think of an institution infested with Gramscians that is not in decline? "

Gramscian marxism,like Marxism and all revolutionary creeds are designed to do one thing and one thing only,win the revolution. The ideal state of being to a revolutionary. is constant revolution,the revolution must be protected at all costs.So the people are starving,let them eat the revolution.

[Lurker]

OT:

Cheney says he might testify in leak case

Nothing new here - just that Cheney was telling CNN...

[PeterUK]

BTW From Samizdata,
"I have little direct evidence about the atrocities in the Spanish civil war. I know that some were committed by the Republicans, and far more (they are still continuing) by the Fascists. But what impressed me then, and has impressed me ever since, is that atrocities are believed in or disbelieved in solely on grounds of political predilection. Everyone believes in the atrocities of the enemy and disbelieves in those of his own side, without ever bothering to examine the evidence."
- George Orwell

So Gramsci managed to turn everything round.

[Lurker]

(OT) Good news!

Successful missile intercept reported in US sea-based defense test

[verner]

Rick,

The new guru is of course George Lakoff (and as Limbaugh says, rhymes with...)

Here's a brief part of the bio from WiKi:

In recent years, Lakoff has become involved with a progressive think tank, the Rockridge Institute, an involvement which follows in part from his recommendations in Moral Politics. Among his activities with the Institute, which concentrates in part on helping liberal candidates and politicians with re-framing political metaphors, Lakoff has given numerous public lectures and written accounts of his message from Moral Politics. His latest political work, Don't Think of an Elephant! Know Your Values and Frame the Debate, self-labeled as "the Essential Guide for Progressives," was published in September 2004 and features a foreword by former Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean

In other words--tell the KOS kids that a pile of poop smells like a rose in just the right way, and they'll believe it! It's all relative.

[Lurker]

Verner, PUK, Rick Ballard, loved your recent posts about the KOSkids!

I've been hiding in my cubbyhole all day so wondering if there was alot of MSM hype about NYT / LATimes "leak" articles? Or they are being ignored and getting alot of "anger" emails / emails / calls, etc.?

[verner]

The longer this war goes on, the more I love Orwell. No wonder they hate him so much to this day. He had their number:

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm

One of the best essays EVER written.

[verner]

Here's a good descriptive passage for the KOS kids:

In our time it is broadly true that political writing is bad writing. Where it is not true, it will generally be found that the writer is some kind of rebel, expressing his private opinions and not a "party line." Orthodoxy, of whatever color, seems to demand a lifeless, imitative style. The political dialects to be found in pamphlets, leading articles, manifestoes, White papers and the speeches of undersecretaries do, of course, vary from party to party, but they are all alike in that one almost never finds in them a fresh, vivid, homemade turn of speech. When one watches some tired hack on the platform mechanically repeating the familiar phrases -- bestial atrocities, iron heel, bloodstained tyranny, free peoples of the world, stand shoulder to shoulder -- one often has a curious feeling that one is not watching a live human being but some kind of dummy: a feeling which suddenly becomes stronger at moments when the light catches the speaker's spectacles and turns them into blank discs which seem to have no eyes behind them. And this is not altogether fanciful. A speaker who uses that kind of phraseology has gone some distance toward turning himself into a machine. The appropriate noises are coming out of his larynx, but his brain is not involved as it would be if he were choosing his words for himself. If the speech he is making is one that he is accustomed to make over and over again, he may be almost unconscious of what he is saying, as one is when one utters the responses in church. And this reduced state of consciousness, if not indispensable, is at any rate favorable to political conformity.

George Orwell, 1946

[Semanticleo]

Maguire;

The minions seem loathe to broach the subject,
but Larry (Scary? You mean like WMD scary?)
has posted on the topic. Can you guess what he might say?

http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/06/so_called_iraqi.html#more

[verner]

Did all of you know, that it only took about 15 chemical shells to kill 5,000 Kurds?

[Lurker]

Just came from Scary Larry's site. It was exactly as Mac Ranger predicted those people would say. In fact, Scary Larry probably confirmed as being one of the naysayers.

[Lurker]

Hugh Hewitt has a few good posts about Bill Keller. So now Bill Keller's assistant told Hugh that Bill Keller is on vacation.

Right.

[verner]

Lurker, thanks for going so the rest of us don't have too.

[Lurker]

I just emailed NYT and DOJ about the NYT and LATimes articles.

I took J. Scott's message over at Michelle Malkin site to email to DOJ.

[Lurker]

Hey, 'bout time. Cynthia McKinney is about to be challenged!!

Catherine Davis is a black republican. She believes in scraping the current tax program and replace it with Fair Tax code. What are her odds, Rick?

[Lurker]

AJStrata thinks that once Cheney goes on the stand, he will become the defense witness AND destroy Fitz's case.

[Rick Ballard]

Verner,

What I find amzing is that some 80 years after von Mises dissected the economic aspect and 60 years after Orwell dissected the shallowness of the political thinking on the left, someone such as Lakoff can decant feom the same old gallon jug of eau de feculance and find buyers for Lakoff #5. I know that a good part of the gig is peddling the concept that anyone who keeps edging away from wearers of the fragrance is simply too déclassé to appreciate the subtleties of the fragrance but it is difficult to believe so many are so dumb.

PY Barnum should have been as lucky.

[Patton]

I posted a few comments at Scarry Larrys, I am sure to be attacked for pointing out a few inconvient facts.

[Lurker]

Mark Steyn on the (Orwellian) Democrats straining to tug defeat from the jaws of victory.

Followed by Lileks who wants to move the Senate to OOOOKKKKKIIIInnnawa!1

[Gary Maxwell]

Lakoff

This guy's has a stage name right?

Its a joke, made to get a laugh, RIGHT?

Ya know, like Yakoff Smirnoff the Russian comic.

[Rick Ballard]

Lurker,

McKinney was beaten before - in '02 - but she has a very safe district. It will take something more than hitting a cop to boot her. Maybe some of the bundles in 'Cold Cash's' freezer had her name on them? Or maybe 'Cold Cash' will giver her up as part of a deal. It's a little unlikely - my money is on Loretta Sanchez as the next to be tied to Cold Cash.

The interesting races in Georgia are GA-8 and GA-12. There could be a Rep pick up fairly easily in either.

[verner]

Pure and simple Rick, it is a religion.

When traditional political marxism proved beyond a doubt to be an absolute total failure after being forced on billions of poor human beings in the most horrible ways--they still just couldn't let it go.

That's when they threw out all the "scientific" stuff, that supposably stuck to the rules of reason, in favor of all the post-modern/colonialist multi-culti relativist gender studies deconstructing gobbley gook.

Just TRY to read Hardt and Negri's EMPIRE.

Here's a random sentance from a random page :

Marx analizes capital's constant need for expression first by focusing on the process of realization and thus on the unequal quantative relationship between the worker as producer and the worker as consumr of commodities.

WOW! Dense!

God I wish Orwell was still around to write book reviews!

[Gary Maxwell]

McKinney got beat by a moderate black female DEMOCRAT. No Republican is going to win in that district in a two way race period. Being black and Republican may be worse for her than if she was a whitle Republican trying to get votes there. Put McKinney down for another term, even if indicted.

[Jane]

Me too, which should get me banned before nightfall.

[Lurker]

Good for you two, Patton and Jane. Someone should rebut the first post:

"

To me the funniest thing someone could do would be to show these decrepit shells next to a picture of Santorum with the caption:

"These old shells are what Republicans are so scared of, that they felt compelled to lead us into war".

OR

2,500 soldiers died for this?

In a way I hope that Santorum's silly stunt gains a little traction. That way it can be hung around his neck to emphasize the 'Chicken' in Chickenhawk."

[verner]

Lurker and Jane,

My deepest gratitude. I simply can not stomach him today. Plus, I don't want to add to his numbers. Thanks for taking one for the team.

I'm going to wait and see if he raises that bad haircut again in the MSM--then we'll be ready for him. Until then, let him shiver in the frozen tundra of No Quarterdom--wondering why nobody but prchrlady wants to come by and play.

[verner]

I think the GOP should PAY McKinney to stay in that seat. She's just too good to be true.

[Lurker]

I don't blame ya, verner. Looks like this financial leaks are being sanely explained on Brit Hume's "TRUE FOX" show. (to take away Scary Larry's "FAUX").

[Semanticleo]

"

Boy 500 ehh.

I remember when misplacing 250 e-mails was a big deal.

Imagine if Cheney misplaced 500 Chemical weapons...I guess we would say its no big deal.

Posted by: Patton | Friday, 23 June 2006 at 17:38
Patton;

One of your key 'facts' nestled amongst the
snark.

It's a big deal finding these decrepit antiques because they prevent some kid from discovering them to his demise. As for
the importance SANTORUM seeks to assign to them (AHHH! the salient point) there seems to be some disconnect. Disingenous much?

[PeterUK]

Having just read Larry's post,the only conclusion can be is that he is a moral retard.
Mass Casualty Weapons are not Weapons of Mass Destruction because they only kill people.A touch of "Arbeit Macht Frei" to Larry's reasoning.

[Patton]

Semanticleo...ahh, but these are the weapons Albright and Clinton warned us about.....

[Lurker]

HUH?????

Bush Administration Obtained Bank Data Without Court Subpoenas or Warrants

Andy McCarthy, Mac Ranger, Booz Allen and Hamilton (whom we've worked with for many years and really, really good people mostly), and many bloggers say that this is perfectly legal.

Where the heck did Jeralyn Merritt gets this idea that this is totally illegal????

Cleo, read the Hugh Hewitt / Santorum interview. The declassified report is a SMALL piece of a full report implying that more has been found and more continues to be found. Santorum is pissed that only a small piece of a full report has been declassified and plans to work to get the rest declassified.

[Patton]

It would be nice to see someone use the term 'decrepid antiques' back when Clinton was hyping the WMD...I am searching for any Democrat warning in the 1990s that Saddam was innocent and Clinton was bombing them unecessarily and I just can't seem to find them.

Maybe Semanticleo could point out all those Democrats....

[Semanticleo]

"the only conclusion can be is that he is a moral retard."

Another brilliant analysis from PUK.

Maybe your'e the flip-side of Larry. You
know, a retarded morel? Seems appropriate
for someone who lives in the dark and feeds on
bullsh...

[Patton]

Does anyone have a link to the Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Byrd, Rockefeller, Kerry, Hilliary speeches in the 1990s where they revealed Clinton was lying about WMD and Saddam had no WMD to speak of and wasn't pursuing WMD and thus we had no reason to be bombing the h-ll out of the country.

I am sure someone has those quotes at hand....

[PeterUK]

"It's a big deal finding these decrepit antiques"

Cement if that is your definition of antique, you are evn more callow than I thought.
Know you not.little loon,that the one thing an Amunition Inspector or Bomb disposal expert fears the most it is old decrepit munitions.
BTW 500 indicates there was a production line,dedicated to manufacturing chemical shells,no they are not simply HE shells.

[verner]

In the 1980s, The Israeli airforce bombed a nuclear plant (supplied by Chirac--friend of Saddam) to bits.

In 1992, the world was amazed to see just how far along Saddam had gotten in the intervening years (another cough cough CIA failure).

The world was also astounded to find that Saddam had hundreds of thousands of chemical and biological weapons--thanks to his French, Russian and Chinese friends.

The world was yet again astounded by the level of corruption in the UN sponsored "oil for Food" program. Scary, considering that Saddam had kept his weapons programs in place--ready to re-start production the second sanctions were lifted.

And should we mention the close personal relationship his regime had with other like minded dictators? Or the fact that he was trying to buy missiles from North Korea?

Well, hot damn, he won't be doing any of that now.

Nor will he, or anyone in his former regime be able to use those little ole 500 or so chemical shells to kill tens of thousands of people.

In other words Leo--in the immortal words of Travis Tritt, here's a quarter, call someone who cares.

[Lurker]

Links to Saddam documents

showing Saddam's connections to AQ, PLO, etc., as well as having mustard gas, sarin, and other WMDs.

Last paragraph says:

"To protect against the Iraqi intelligence documents being altered or misrepresented elsewhere on the Internet, CNSNews.com has decided to publish only the first of the 42 pages in Arabic, along with the English translation. Portions of some of the other memos in translated form are also being published to accompany this report. Credentialed journalists and counter-terrorism experts seeking to view the 42 pages of Arabic documents or to challenge their authenticity may make arrangements to do so at CNSNews.com headquarters in Alexandria, Va."

Read it all.

Also, read Karen's Korner

"
"This says weapons have been discovered, more weapons exist and they state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone ... that there are continuing threats from the materials that are or that may still be in Iraq," Hoekstra, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said at a press conference releasing a summary report from the National Ground Intelligence Center (NGIC)."

and more about CNS from Karen:

"Cybercast News Service originally reported on Oct. 4, 2004, that "Iraqi intelligence documents, confiscated by U.S. forces and obtained by CNSNews.com ... demonstrate that Saddam's government possessed mustard gas and anthrax, both considered weapons of mass destruction, in the summer of 2000, during the period in which United Nations weapons inspectors were not present in Iraq."

[Semanticleo]

Maybe Semanticleo could point out all those Democrats....

What is your major malfunction? What is it
about admitting there was no WMD's? Are you saying WMD's WERE THE LYNCHPIN FOR THE MARCH TO WAR IN IRAQ? I thought it was more about nation building, removing a dictator and seeding democracy. If it wasn't the MAIN reason we went to war, just let it go. Why continue looking for the gnat turds in the rat droppings?

[PeterUK]

Got the hots for Larry have you Cement,sat with your face painted up,wearing dark glasses and headscarf,drooling over his every halfwitted word?

I had my trumpeter sound the Dueglo.

[Lurker]

No, go back and read Mac Ranger's post as proof that Saddam went out of his way to lie to the UN inspecters AND violated each and every UN resolution written against him.

Here is what Mac Ranger said:

"
I know who these "officials" are, but I will not reveal their identities at this time. They haven't a clue of what they are talking about and once again, the issue isn't whether or not they are from 1991, 1999 or 2006. The fact is that they were hidden because there wasn't enough time to move all the evidence prior to the invasion. The fact is that Saddam didn't disclose ALL his weapons. Thus he violated all the mandatesand thus he was taken out."

Oh boy, Mac Ranger just updated his "Leak" post.

"***updates*****"Doors slaming and anger galore at the DOJ this morning - DOJ to proceed in coming weeks****for background see here, March 2006 Slate Article "Bill Keller in Chains"Jack Shafer's take on Section 798......

By the way, the MSM got it wrong again. Keller wasn't asked, he and other editors were warned not to print, as I said, they chose to defy*************end of updates

****BIG UPDATE BELOW****

Well, well, our friends with Al Qaeda,, the "Traitor Twins" Eric Lichtblau and James Risen let another tool in the war on terror out of the bag and thus devulge classified information to the enemy once again."

[Semanticleo]

PUK;

Your dogged appearances at the battle of wits while brandishing your letter opener would be
impressive, were it not a gunfight.

[PeterUK]

"Why continue looking for the gnat turds in the rat droppings?"

Why Cement? Why? Because Captain Brainfart these were found a long time ago,the report on the documentation only surfaced recently.

[Patton]

Semanticleo....Don't you get it yet, Rove ordered Bush to got to war with Saddam to drive the left insane....

and guess what...IT WORKED!

The same Democrats that for years said Saddam had WMD, had to give themselves lobotomies to forget everything they had said before they came up with the Bush Lied meme.

Then the same Democrats who said in the 1990s that it was soo important to prevent genocide in the 1990s in Yugoslavia that we had to go to war even without a declaratioon from Congress, now have to do cartwheels to claim Bush took us to war..although they voted for the war.....BEFORE THEY VOTED AGAINST IT OF COURSE...

[PeterUK]

"Your dogged appearances at the battle of
wits",
You are only half prepared then Cement?

"while brandishing your letter opener"

You haven't noticed then,Brainfart that you are using a computer?

"would be impressive, were it not a gunfight."

Gunfight little loon? You are reading too much Larry "No guns, no Farm" Johnson,The Analyst. Get a grip kid!

[verner]

Really Leo, the truth of the matter is that there was not a single good reason to leave Saddam in power.

You just happen to harp on one of the many many reasons for liberation that grace a la incompetant, treasonous CIA, was proven to be not exactly as Bush, and the ENTIRE WORLD thought it to be.

Now, that is not to say that Saddam was not a threat in the WMD department. You're not trying to claim THAT now, are you?

[Lurker]

Rick Ballard, Loved your Flaring post about NYT.

BTW, reading meaninglessHotAir about going from Linux to Windows. We're going in reverse in our own lab at work. Going almost all the way to (RedHat 64-bit) Linux but with StarOffice (we will end up with a few Windows servers, such as LDAP).

[SunnyDay]

Cleo, instead of spending time posting, why don't you justt ype the topic you want to address, and then your name? We know what you will say. ;)