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June 02, 2006

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Gary Maxwell

Newspaper reporter without sense of humor alert.

Patton

Mike,

It was a joke....get over yourself.

Unlike the lefty blogs which like to talk about really killing our nations leaders.

Shall we compile all the items where leftist talked/hinted/made jokes about killing our elected leaders?? The 'bullseye', the 'putting Rumsfeld up against the wall', the 'snipers wanted'.

Somehow me thinks your outrage is more manufactured then the joke itself, which required your imagine to come up with a hanging....

Patton

Sounds to me like the journalists HANG themselves.....with their ridiculous so-called reporting of the news...

Patton

Here Mike,,,,a little meory lane:

St. Petersburg Democratic club placed a full-page ad in a weekly newspaper, saying Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld should be "put up against a wall" and someone should "pull the trigger."

That's actually from the Democrat Party...nice ehhhh??

brenda taylor

has any one heard any more about the federal shield law for all those journos that feel they are above the law and need more rights then average americans.

Patton

Here's another from the ever credible, Bush "National Guard" CBS:

The Late, Late Show, on CBS aired a video clip of the GOP convention, which depicted George W. Bush and the words "SNIPERS WANTED" at the bottom of the TV screen.


The video segment began by displaying briefly a photograph of Bush giving his acceptance speech, with the words "SNIPERS WANTED" appearing in white letters at the bottom of the screen.


Real nice, ehh Mike??


Mike

Nice? No I think all of those examples are despicable. But are you guys saying that since the liberals do it, it's okay for us to do it?

verner

Link to Alan Foley's testimony in Bolton's Nomination. McConnell is Dodd's main hatchet woman.(And I suspect was co-ordinating efforts with CIP. I also suspect that she helped organize CIP's Cowboy Diplomacy conference with Dana Priest, Joe Wilson, Mel Goodman, Ann Wright and Bob White in Oct. 2003) See the before posted Novak column for more info on her.

Interesting stuff about CIA's organization and Fulton Armstrong.

Yep. Mr. Armstrong, with his debatable Africa portfolio, is most certainly on the radar. And if Val worked either with or for him, it could describe why Alan Foley had never heard of her.. Though still a deep mystery--where did that garbage about Val working for WINPAC come from, and why did it pass the fact checkers at VF? Were they trying to steer away from the fact that she had a Fulton Armstrong connection? Now THAT would have really been a red light, esp. considering his past performance with Bolton.

What a sleezy bunch we have at the CIA.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/Foley%20Interview.pdf

verner

I don't want to hang journalists Mike. I just want to put them on trial along with their co-conspirators in the CIA and NSA.

verner

And another thing--pay close attention to what Fulton Armstrong was saying about the Niger Docs to Foley, and what Foley said back to him--that he (Armstrong) was being arrogant and ignoring other evidence. That was in early 2003 per Foley's recollection.

Now remember, what did Joe say about the Niger docs? Doesn't it sound familiar now? Could his talking points have come from Val via the former Clinton NSC member Armstrong?

They say Armstrong is now overseas somewhere. I only hope it's in Uzbekistan counting sheep, or some other godawful backwater place where he can no longer be a threat to National Security.

Bolton and Reich were right. They should have fired him.

PeterUK

"this Court will not permit it to become a forum for debating the accuracy of Ambassador Wilson's statements,"

Wilson is not and was not an Ambassador when he went to Niger for the CIA.

Gary Maxwell

Hey Mike

How about last week when the elected NY state official said something about about putting a bullet between the eyes of Bush. Got any comment. You are a Republican? Funny Jeffords left you as a party of one out there on that one mile long pier. The only Republican with BDS. Congratulations for your uniqueness.

Cecil Turner

Classy bunch aroun dhere...

I guess lawyer jokes are out, then, eh?

But are you guys saying that since the liberals do it, it's okay for us to do it?

"Us"? So now you're a member of the "classy bunch"? I love self-parody.

Pete

PeterUK - "Wilson is not and was not an Ambassador when he went to Niger for the CIA."

While the term Ambassador Wilson may seem pretty strange to someone in UK given that Wilson is no longer an Ambassador, in the US it is pretty common to address someone with a title they formerly held.

kate

I prefer Lying Joe myself. I'm sure, being the pompous, self-promoting fool that he is, he insisted on being called Ambassador.

Sounds better than Val's honey.

kate

Here's some more the judge could consider:

Junket Man
Spy's Guy
Retired Guvvie
Mr. Wilson (dull, but accurate)
Noble Whistleblower
House Husband

PeterUK

The classless Republic eh Pete? Not very accurate for a Judge,might just place undue emphasis on the word of Mr Wilson.

Lurker

What makes some of you think Plame's classified status was "covert" / NOC just because Walton ruled it as immaterial?

Rick Ballard

"implying that journalists need to be hung?"

I can't think of a single MSM journo who would have a possibility of meeting that standard. Or did you mean hanged? If the latter, a list can be prepared in short order.

Patton

Mike says: ""But are you guys saying that since the liberals do it, it's okay for us to do it?"""

NO, what I am saying is WE DIDN'T DO IT.

You seem to have a very high moral equivalence quotient here.

Does saying FU to someone on a blog equate to actually raping them??

Get a grip.


It was you Mike that decided to turn a journalist a rope and a tree into a hanging..that was YOU brain that did that..not us.

So apologize for having such impure thoughts and MOVE ON. org

Patton

If I say...

Mike, a duck and duct tape..some assembly required.

Its up to Mike to decide for himself....

do not condemn others for the thoughts you come up with.....

clarice

Syl--How interesting..Her son was an incredible speechwriter..Wrote some of the most memorable stuff for the first JFK . His work for the 2d JFK was another story, but I can see why they used him rather than Kerry to prepare it.

verner, Is it possible to track down Fulton Armstrong and send him a list of questions?

Rick, you are a wicked wicked man.

Specter

lol

sad

Rick

I could have done without the visual. Even Katie Couric is not immune from the imagery....

sad

Patton

You're killing me! The imagination is on overdrive.

verner

Oh Clarice, since he is the mysterious Mr. Smith, who is, according to reports, "overseas on assignment" somehow I doubt it. But I have a sneaking hunch that Mr. Armstrong may very well be one of the reasons that Mr. Foley took the time to get back in touch with you.

He made it VERY clear that he had nothing to do with Val, and that is not info I've seen anywhere in print--though perhaps I've missed something.

If you'll note in the Bolton transcript, that came out months after all the Val outing stuff came out, Foley makes it a point to relay his experiences with the NIO LA and the Niger docs...when, in reality, what did that have to do with Bolton? I've googled, "Fulton Armstrong" and Niger Documents, and come up with very few hits...

In all seriousness though, if Armstrong was in any way involved with sending Wilson, the Niger docs, the referral, or leaking info about any of the above, it would be explosive. Of course, that wouldn't be info that Mr. Foley could relay to us, however, since I'm sure it would be classified! LOL.

I don't know which three names Judge Walton plans on putting back in the record, or which records he is exactly referring to--but if one of them is Fulton Armstrong, that will really be something.

clarice

It's not as if the LA has nothing better to do than worry about Niger, is it?

I expect that Armstrong is closely tied to Rand Beers..I think they were both working on narcotics at the same time .

clarice

The Latam desk at the CIA I mean..(just to be clear).

verner

And a big irony here--there was a referal for outing Val, but none when John Kerry called "Mr. Smith" by his real name, Fulton Armstrong, on the senate floor. So we can know Fulton Armstrong worked for the CIA in nonproliferation--but we can't know that Val did too. Go figure.

And yes, FA had been in the press before--but you could google "Valerie Wilson" "Brewster Jennings" too--so what's the difference?

I think Fitz is going to get skewered on that "not widely known outside the intelligence community" stuff. I can't wait to see those summaries.

verner

Biers and Armstrong--would make sense. Armstrong did work narcotics. Another knot in the daisy chain. IS there any way to find an organizational chart of the Clinton NSC under Berger? I've kind of been looking for one, but haven't put much effort into it.

It would be a good thing to have right about now.

verner

Rand Beers, Adjunct Lecturer in Public Policy, served for 35 years as a senior civil servant. After serving as a Marine officer and rifle company commander in Vietnam, he entered the Foreign Service in 1971 and the Civil Service in 1983. From 1988-98 he served on the NSC Staff at the White House as Director for Counter-terrorism and Counter-narcotics, Director for Peacekeeping, and Sr. Director for Intelligence Programs. From 1998-2003 he was Asst. Secretary of State for Intnt'l. Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs. In 2002-03 he was Special Asst. to the President and Sr. Director for Combating Terrorism. He resigned in March 2003 to work on John Kerry's Presidential campaign as National Security/Homeland Security Issue Coordinator


clarice

Fulton Armstrong, National Intelligence Officer for Latin America, National Intelligence Council
Fulton T. Armstrong was appointed National Intelligence Officer for Latin America on 1 June 2000. Previously Mr. Armstrong served as Chief of Staff of the DCI Crime and Narcotics Center (CNC). Prior to that, he served two terms as a Director for Inter-American Affairs at the National Security Council (1995- 97 and 1998-99) and as Deputy NIO for Latin America (1997-98).

Mr. Armstrong began his government career in 1980 as Legislative Assistant and Press Secretary to US Representative Jim Leach. In 1984-95, he served as analyst, political-economic officer, and manager specializing in Latin America in the both the intelligence and policy communities.

Prior to joining government, Mr. Armstrong worked four years as a reporter, editor, and translator in Taiwan. He earned his B.S. in Linguistics and Spanish at Georgetown University in 1976. He is fluent in Spanish and Mandarin http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:lQZQdWRCrWYJ:schema-root.org/region/americas/north_america/usa/government/intelligence_officers/fulton_armstrong/+Fulton+Armstrong+narcotics&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4> Beers and Armstrong

verner

Fulton Armstrong, National Intelligence Officer for Latin America, National Intelligence Council
Fulton T. Armstrong was appointed National Intelligence Officer for Latin America on 1 June 2000. Previously Mr. Armstrong served as Chief of Staff of the DCI Crime and Narcotics Center (CNC). Prior to that, he served two terms as a Director for Inter-American Affairs at the National Security Council (1995- 97 and 1998-99) and as Deputy NIO for Latin America (1997-98).

Mr. Armstrong began his government career in 1980 as Legislative Assistant and Press Secretary to US Representative Jim Leach. In 1984-95, he served as analyst, political-economic officer, and manager specializing in Latin America in the both the intelligence and policy communities.

Prior to joining government, Mr. Armstrong worked four years as a reporter, editor, and translator in Taiwan. He earned his B.S. in Linguistics and Spanish at Georgetown University in 1976. He is fluent in Spanish and Mandarin Chinese.

National Intelligence Council website
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PeterUK

Mr Ballard,
Hung is somewhat appropriate,they are after all a trifle gamey.

topsecretk9

Verner

Just off hand...doesn't Armstrong's career track (or path crossing close) to Mary O. McCarthy and Larry Johnson? I could be wrong?

ghostcat

I've been out. Has anybody strained the punch bowl yet?

Rick Ballard

Mr Uk,

Lacking a modifier such as "as if a brace of pheasant" or, more appropriately perhaps, "like a barn mouse", I felt a clarifying question to be in order.

Precision in language does forestall misunderstandings.

verner

"Just off hand...doesn't Armstrong's career track (or path crossing close) to Mary O. McCarthy and Larry Johnson? I could be wrong?"

You know TS, it's hard for us to say. But I'm sure that there are plenty of people in DC who do know. Did Armstrong report to McCarthy of Beers? Did he know Joe?

Maybe all that is part of the leak investigation. Again, there is just too much smoke not to investigate.

I must say that there has certainly been a harmonic convergence of former Clinton NSC folks surrounding this mess. And I doubt that the guvment pond of career Bush-hating counterterrorism, counterproliferation, narcotics enforcement specialists is all that large.

PeterUK

Mr Ballard,
Hanging is somewhat like smoking marijuana,acceptable if one does not inhale,similarly hanging is acceptable as long as one does not kick the chair away.
If however a horse is employed instead of a chair,and the horse were to bolt of its own free will,this could be regarded as natures way.It is a kindness really,after all they,the journalists, would have broken both their legs without the rope.

Jeff

It was a joke

So Patton, you fool, if

It was you Mike that decided to turn a journalist a rope and a tree into a hanging..that was YOU brain that did that..not us

what was the fucking joke?

I don't get it, unless it's you.

SunnyDay

No sense of humor.

sad

and rude too

maryrose

SunnyDay:
It's hard to go through life without a sense of humor or to be able to recognize humor when one reads or hears it.Thank God most posters here do appreciate a good joke and at times engage in self-deprecating humor. Fitz needs a better sense of humor as does pompous Joe Wilson.

maryrose

And also Jeff,come on tell a joke or two-we'll like you better if you do!

Jeff

Surely Patton can't find me rude, right? Since on his apparent theory of human communication, any rudeness he found would be just his brain doing that, right?

And I'll ask again: since I can see no possible joke in what Patton called a joke except one about killing journalists by hanging them, and yet Patton seemingly wants to hold Mike solely responsible for seeing such killing by hanging as the content of what he called a joke, my question is, what's the fucking joke? Or is Patton such a dishonest coward that he doesn't even have the courage to stand by what he initially called a joke, only to shift gears when he was criticized and project the issue onto the person doing the criticizing? Is he really that dishonest and mean?

maryrose

Jeff:
get real and get over yourself;
;and stop finding fault with others.
Haven't you ever heard the expression"kill all the Lawyers"?

verner

Look Jeff, it was a joke. HaHa.

The only places they really kill journalists are Iran, Syria (where they from time to time use car bombs for the dirty deed), and Iraq--where they seem to be a favorite target of Al Qaeda and their henchmen if they write stories in support of the newly elected democratic government.

In the former Soviet Union, they would put a bullet in their heads--or send them to some "secret" gulag.

In Cuba now, they simply throw them in jail to rot without trial if they write something el presidente for life doesn't like.

So, if you don't have anything more interesting to say, or a more amusing insult, why don't you find someplace else to bore people.

Jeff

Yeah, verner, I knew it was a joke. Just like Patton. But now, thanks to all your information about really horrible places where they really kill journalists, I see just how funny the joke is. Heh indeedy.

SunnyDay

PITA

Rick Ballard

Hey, I hear violins. Teeny tiny ones - but still.

Patton

Of course Jeff could never support a guy engaging in very real discussions of assasinating American politicians????

John Kerry attended a national meeting of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War in Kansas City which voted on a resolution to ASSASSINATE six US Senators supporting the Vietnam War in 1971.

GEE, ASSASINATING US SENATORS...DID KERRY CALL THE COPS? DOES MIKE SUPPORT ACTUAL DISCUSSIONS OF ACTUALLY KILLING REAL PEOPLE...OR DOES HE JUST NOT LIKE MAKING JOKES?

Apparently the Democrat Party had NO problem supporting a guy who was actually involved in really killing people and never called the police or went to the authorities to report the plot.

Patton

The Kansas City meeting was NO JOKE Jeff...but somehow all the liberals found it in their hearts to support a guy involved in a conspiracy to kill American politicians.

Insert tab A in to your own slot A.....

PeterUK

The Song is Over But the Malady Lingers On

Jeff

So Patton, you're back to the story that it was a joke about killing journalists after all, and Mike didn't just put that in their on his own? Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds and all that, right? Man, you are a hackish hack of an arguer. What'd you think, no one would notice you were arguing completely inconsistent things, just because people would agree with you politically?

boris

Unlike "Snipers Wanted" the punchline for "some assembly required" needs to be infered.

Getting the joke is as "evil" as telling it.

Jeff of all people (master of inference) understands that quite well and is annoyed at being forced to participate against his will.

lurker

Funny how this meshed with the Kansas City / Kerry / Kennedy story.

Anyone now keeping an eye on the William Jefferson story? How about a connection between Willaim Jefferson, Bill Clinton, and Joe Wilson????

Check Mac Ranger's The Coming Storm - Rep William Jefferson VI"

lurker

I also see that Mac Ranger seems to see a connection in this William Jefferson, CAFTA 15, AND John Conyers....

Patton

No, Mike certainly made up his own mind on how to interpret the joke. Could you please point out to me in the joke itself where it says anything about 'killing journalists', or 'hanging journalists'?

It doesn't, it was Mikes interpretation that led him to that conclusion.

I happened to not have gotten the joke that way myself until Mike clued me to his interpretation.

I myself would have tied the journalist to the tree, or I would have interpreted it to mean jounalists were figuratively hanging themselves with their biased reporting, or that it was a play on journalists swinging from a rope.

When I really thought about it, I figured it was an abstract argument against 'Dead Tree Journalism' or what we like to call the Lamstream media, or Old media.

Then I decided to consult Bartleby and found this:
""Give him enough rope and he’ll hang himself
Meaning: A person will bring about his or her own misfortune if given the opportunity."""

That made me think of Mike hanging himself (fuguratively) with his reference to hanging journalists.

So I assume the orginal quip was meant to say, that the old media if given enough rope will figuratively hang themselves without anyone elses help.

Mike's interpretation was far more vulgar, but some people think that way......

Carol Herman

Oh, Peter in the UK, that was wonderful! Indeed, the "Song is Over but the Malady Lingers on."

By the way, the Referral Letter, to make Conyers ACT and see to it that Congress appointed a Special Counsel, must absolutely provide proof that Plame was COVERT. Or the whole leak stuff is PHONY.

IF the judge has seen the Referral and refuses to let it go to the Defense; AND THEN all we get is a "he said/she said" shell game where the media lines up behind Cooper, Russert and Judith Miller ... HOW DO YOU PUT LIBBY IN JAIL BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE SAY HE NEVER SAID "he heard it from reporters?"

Oh, well. Maybe they'll bring back the California Raisin commercial; "I HEARD IT THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE."

I still think November 7th will play some sort of key role, here. If the donks manage to sweep both Houses and end up in the majority, the political winds will favor the donks. BUT IF ENOUGH PEOPLE VOTE, and KEEP their encumbants (where history says this is the rule); then starting after election day; in order to build to 2008 ... the Republicans can't afford to go 'whimpy,' here.

Yes, politics is a very high stakes game.

And, for the donks to be in the position they are in today, they've been burning up a lot of their assets. In gambling, this is called "chasing." (Leave it to Steven Lubet to describe why chasers lose. "Cheating husbands get caught; dogs get run over; and gamblers go broke.")

Does this story have legs because there's an inkling of desperation inovolved in politics, right now? (Did anyone notice the shift in Canada? A bastion of the Left. With the Liberals OUT THE DOOR. If Canadians chose Harper why can the media say this country will go to the donks?) Beats me.

cathyf

Just a little advice... Trying to explain a joke to an autistic person is like trying to explain "green" to a blind person. A sheer exercise in futility.

cathy :-)

cathyf

Oh, and another thing... Having spent much of the last 1.5 decades working with various and sundry brits, I have come to the conclusion that they are just way more clever and witty, on average, than anybody else. It must be a tough place to live if you are autistic.

(Although I must say that PUK must be tired or distracted today, as Rick got in the best line of the thread!)

cathy :-)

PeterUK

Patton,
Never do standup at a NACA convention.

PeterUK

Cathy,
Mr Ballard is most deserving of his kudos,but you are right,Monday is a busy day,hanging poachers, thrashing the servants,evicting widows from their tied cottages, an Englishman's work is never done.
BTW I know a chap who is high spectrum autistic.He was travelling by train,normally he carries a earplugs so he can get a nap,but on this occasione he had forgotten them,his did however have a bunch of grapes.....and so he used two of these instead....couldn't understand why anybody regarded that as odd.Sound familiar?

sad

Humor is one of the most sustaining elements of life. Can't imagine trying to survive without it.

Patton

To be fair, it was actually Chris Suellentrop and Slate that came up with the 'hanging' idea for 'journalists'

HEADLINE ON SLATE:
Blogging for Dollars
Hang Daily Kos, but not for taking money from Howard Dean.
By Chris Suellentrop
Posted Friday, Jan. 14, 2005, at 9:52 PM ET

HANG DAILY KOS....SUCH BARBARISM.

Suellentrop says KOS committed a 'hanging offense'.

Hope Mike/Jeff e-mails him with his outrage.....

PeterUK

To hell with all this pussyfooting around...lets just string them up!

Sue

Patton,

How did you manage to stir their ire? From what I saw it was ghost that posted the link from another blog. ::grin:: You just looked like an easy target maybe?

Come on people. Lighten up. We could be discussing the bullet between the eyes statement that was in the news lately.

Patton

I don't know, maybe it was pointing out that both ultra liberals Ben Afleck and
Al Franken suggested hanging/killing leaders of the government.

http://newsbusters.org/node/4815

Perhaps the left has joked about it soo much, they think they have a copyright on all hanging/killing jokes.

sbw

Please! Enough of this bickering, because... ahem... "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." [h/t Ben Franklin] [Rimshot]

kim

What'd I post last year, something like:

June, July,
Joe'll lie.

Speaking of hanging.
=============

maryrose

sbw:
Way to keep the humor going...

maryrose

Dang me Dang me they ought to take a rope and hang me... Hang me from the highest TREEEE; women would you weep for me....

kim

Hang down your head, Joe Wilson.
Hang down your head and cry.
Hurry up, make that reservation.
Poor Boy, your gonna fly.
===================

kate

I don't ususally listen to talk radio on the way home but I happened upon Hannity and he had Karl Rove on for an interview. I was struck by how smart, articulate, and funny he is! He seemed relaxed, either he's in no danger of being indicted or decided he's not going to worry about it.

Patton

Here is one of those funny jokes that Jeff and Mike appear to like and enjoy as long as they are spewed by liberals.

Remember Alec Baldwin on NBC with this great joke about Republican House leaders:

Alec Baldwin:
``If we were in other countries, we would all right now, all of us together -- all of us together would go down to Washington and we would stone Henry Hyde to death! We would stone him to death! Wait! . . . I'm not finished. We would stone Henry Hyde to death and we would go to their homes and we'd kill their wives and their children! We would kill their families!''

Wow, would that draw guffaws from the likes of Mike and Jeff.
I know, before you say it Jeff, I am probably reading things into his comments like when he says 'KILL THEIR WIVES AND CHILDREN' I took that to mean 'Kill their wives and children'.

Just my interpretation....

Patton

And I bet Jeff and Mike don't even recall the so-called 'jounalists calls for Republicans to be hanged??

NO?

The Washington Post's Richard Cohen commented on the fact that Newt Gingrich denouncing Bill Clinton's moral failings. "For hypocrisy, for sheer gall," Cohen wrote, "Gingrich should be hanged."

THAT'S RIGHT JEFF, WHAT DO YOU SUPPOSED HE MEANT BY 'GINGRICH SHOULD BE HANGED'?
Am I reading too much into his comment? Taking it out of context perhaps.

A journalist actually calling for a Republican hanging and where was Mike and Jeffs outrage???

Sara (The Squiggler)

when he says 'KILL THEIR WIVES AND CHILDREN' I took that to mean 'Kill their wives and children'.

Just my interpretation....

But true to the manifesto, they would "feel their pain."

Patton

Then of course there's that great liberal Spike Lee who advocated killing Charton Heston...remeber that one Jeff? Were you outraged?

On May 20, 1999, filmmaker Spike Lee publicly proposed the murder of National Rifle Association (NRA) President Charlton Heston. Lee said, "The NRA should be disbanded and Charlton Heston should be shot with a .44 Bulldog."

Ha ha, what a funny guy...just kidding I guess.

Somehow Mikes outrage seems totally misplaced at this point.....

Patton

Of course the liberal jokster about killing people don't just hang out in the US, no Jeff and Mike can even be entertained from jolly old England:

Fantasies of murdering President Bush animated British pundit Charlie Brooker, who ended his Oct. 24 column in the Guardian with a plea for Bush's death: "John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr. -- where are you now that we need you?" Brooker later assured readers that he meant his call for an assassin only as "an ironic joke."

Ha Ha Ha...love that British humor ehh Jeffrey????

Patton

Well I could go on,, but let's just finish with one more famed liberal jounalist who wished death on a republican and his family:

The liberal Nina Totenberg, said of General Jerry Boykin's "I hope he's not long for this world." When the startled host asked if she were "putting a hit out on this guy," .

But this isn't the first time the NPR diva has publicly wished death on a conservative. "I think he ought to be worried about what's going on in the Good Lord's mind," she said of Senator Jesse Helms in 1995, "because if there is retributive justice, he'll get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will."

Ha ha ,,,another good one....of course I am reading into her comments that she thinks he should be worried God will give his grandchildren AIDS...only because that is what she said....Man, now that is a funny one.

I am just wondering if Mike has ever been so outraged before ?

Patton

Well, I have about 1000 others, but nothing is more diabolical then "Journalist, Tree, Rope, some assembly required"....man, that's just rough stuff compared to those lovable liberals talking about cutsey things like shooting with a .44, contracting AIDS, stoning, killing wives and children, Hanging, etc.

kate

Ben Affleck wanted President Bush hanged for,get this, revealing Plame's name. Of course, Ben said hung.

None of this silly impeachment for perjury and obstruction...right to the gallows.

Now I know Affleck is an idiot, but this didn't get any play, everyone just ignored it.

maryrose

Kate:
the fact that Affleck is using the wrong verb tense cries to heaven and perhaps picking up a few college courses would be more beneficial than spewing venom about Bush.

kate

maryrose - apparently he was on a show with Bill Sammon and Joe Biden on Maher's panel. Someone who saw the show said the Biden and Sammon looked like they couldn't hid their disgust with Affleck.

I'm just surprised this wasn't all over the news and commenta.

PeterUK

This refelects the strange contradictory dichotomy of liberal left thought,no war, no death penalty,not even a depracating word about those who would slaughter us all without compuct...but Right Wingers..death camps are too good for them.
Hypocrisy isn't really a strong enough word.

SunnyDay

When we have taken over completely, we can re-educate them.

Patton

Peter, so true...but then again the left has told us how they abhore Bush/Rumsfeld because of their so-called claims of their terrible record of war crimes, torture, treatment of civilians, etc. then they went off and NOMINATED TO BE PRESIDENT a guy who admitted to committing war crimes, atrocities, burning civilian villages, etc. etc.

Guess they just thought they needed a guy that was better at it. But of course in their favor that even though Kerry participated in and did not report the discussions of assassinating Senators, he did in the end oppose the plan, so I guess that makes him OK. Since he just discusses assassination plots, keeps them hidden from authorities, but doesn't actually carry them out..that we know of.....

pollyusa

Well since the topic seems to be inappropriate comments, I'll add my 2 cents.

I think these comments regarding Valerie Plame are out of line.

This stuff is baseless, inflammatory, and attacks the character of a women who served this country as an officer in the CIA. These comments have nothing to do with the CIA leak investigation.

This comment is not directed at the regular commenters here. I've noticed that the regular commenters have not engaged in this speculation


It's just a figment of imagination to think that Val would be sent in to do a man's job. Or that we need whores to gather information under bedsheets.

First, notice this about Val. Let's say the Referral Letter enhances her status by claiming she's a super-duper undercover agent playing with Castro's private parts.

"IF" Valerie was "under the covers" so to speak, she was working in a french whore house.


AND, why assume if Val was deep under the covers that Libby would have known this?


it's possible it contains stuff about Val's "doings." Under the covers? Would it go that far? A Monica Lewinsky IN the CIA? At work on assignments deliverying more than pizza?

(I had assumed it was exposed to the Russians; because men play with women, and even men who should know better, can tell secrets in bed.) If Val's been under cover; that's how she's been taught to function



I assume the DC juror thing is meant to be some sort of slur on the citizens of the District of Columbia. I find this commentary in poor taste. (again the regulars are not participating)


Note the picture included in the link in the comment below.

To me the defense biggest challenge is the DC Jury

How do you think most DC jurors are going to react to that?


PeterUK

Ah But Patton, Kerry said "Sorry" at Winter Soldier2,so that's all right,as long as there is a mea culpa to the rest of the commune,Bush never apologised,it is just like school,as long as one says "Sorry" for bombing the shit out of little Timmy in the school yard...

Carol Herman

No,Pollyusa. Not slurs on the DC jury pool at all. Just a reality that you can read when you look at two different blonds: Martha Stewart and Nicole Simpson. And, watch what two juries did.

The blondness didn't help.

It also didn't help Marilyn Monroe with the Kennedy Brothers.

So being blond may be more overrated than you think. Or Clairol would have you believe.

There's a reality that happens when this case gets to court. The sharpest person is Theodore Wells. And, his baliwick; his baseketball court, so to speak, is DC. He's not afraid.

Fitzgerald is the outside. He won't have "home court" advantage. He will have the MSM. And, it's just a question on how much the judge allows when Fitzgerald does an "I Object" pop up act.

As to Val and her CIA job. She got it when she was 22. Hired as a bimbo. Trained as a bimbo. And, only sent out on risk-kay jobs. I'm sure the french do the same. Ambassador Munchausen attracts these babes like flies.

And, believe me, I'm not asking you to laugh.

verner

"This stuff is baseless, inflammatory, and attacks the character of a women who served this country as an officer in the CIA. These comments have nothing to do with the CIA leak investigation."

Check the history of the CIA.

I'm reading a book about it now. Sure, there have been many very fine agents, but that has certaily not universally been the case.

Sorry, but I have very little respect for Ms. Wilson. There's lots of evidence that indicates that she is a key player in a co-conspiracy with like minded CIA rogues who have no respect for the constitution and have taken it upon themselves to go to "war" with a sitting president in a time of national crisis. I just think it is a shame that she and her pathetic husband aren't on trial instead of Scooter Libby--and with hope, maybe one day they will be.


Her husband is a liar, and, as far as I'm concerned, so is she--even though they never will allow her to talk.(Wonder why?) And I seriously doubt her leaving the agency had anything to do with being "outed." It seems she just got swept out like the rest of the treasonous leftover Clinton era deadwood.

Cecil Turner

I assume the DC juror thing is meant to be some sort of slur on the citizens of the District of Columbia. I find this commentary in poor taste. (again the regulars are not participating)

You had me right up to there. In fact, I've used "DC Jurors" several times, asserting that they're likely to tend disproportionately liberal and overly sympathetic to Wilson. Judge Walton said something similar in the May 5th transcript (to Wells):

I could be wrong about tactics but I mean I don't know if that's a battle you want to fight before a District of Columbia jury.
Obviously this venue is not favorable to Libby, and it's a mistake not to take that into account. I do think the link is a bit over-the-top, but I expect it refers to this preliminary ruling by Walton on jury selection:
I guess one of the concerns I have about written questionnaires is that I think it disadvantages those people who do not read and do that write well, and as a result of that, many times I think those individuals end up being screened out of the process and don't have an opportunity to sit as jurors because they aren't articulate. [. . .] I stand to be convinced otherwise. But my inclination would be not to use a written questionnaire to seek to elicit whether jurors are qualified to sit in this case.

clarice

Seixon did a job on Truthout:

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday in a tree house with lawyers from Patton Boggs, the firm representing Karl Rove.

During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with telling his mommy that Fitzgerald was a meanie, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 dog hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning.

These sources also say that Fitzgerald and Rove were K-I-S-S-I-N-G. It is reported that this activity lasted 15 hours. We stand by this story and will be following up with additional information when it becomes available.

(Seixon.com)

Jeff

Patton, it doesn't take much to make you totally incoherent. I do miss the days when your table-pounding style would be reflected in your utter overuse of all caps, though.

In my experience, sometimes the DC juror thing is, as Cecil says, a reference to their liberal bent. And sometimes it's racist, as with the link polly provided. I know that's going to drive some people nuts. But I think it's true. And I'm definitely with Cecil that Team Libby has to take the political bent of DC into account, just like any defense team has to take the political bent of their environment into account.

Sue

Polly,

It won't do any good, but I applaud you for the effort.

Sue

Patton, it doesn't take much to make you totally incoherent. I do miss the days when your table-pounding style would be reflected in your utter overuse of all caps, though.

That's it? After all the examples that were anything but NOT coherent and that's it? ::grin:: Sorry Jeff. Patton just had a slam dunk.

pollyusa

verner

Sorry, but I have very little respect for Ms. Wilson

I have no quibble with you regarding your opinion of Valerie Plame. You state your reasons without resorting to baseless inuendo.

Valerie Plame's service with the CIA is largely unknown and unknowable. That she elected to join the CIA says something about her sense of duty. That her father was an Air Force Lt. Col. may well have contributed to her decision to serve her country as an officer in the CIA.

Cecil,

I don't have a problem with your characterization of a DC Juror. I read the comments I noted in an entirely different way.

The "slow children" speaks for itself and this "Still, if it's easy to convict Libby, now, in a DC court; because the judge allows in illiterates. People who couldn't possibly fill out juror forms" carries the same implication.

This commentary states plainly that the citizens of DC are unintelligent. I would characterise that as slur.



On the Protective order, I think you are right regarding the boilerplate language.


pollyusa

Jeff,

As usual you said it better than I did. I agree with you and with Cecil.


Sue,

Thanks, I appreciate your support.

Correction: In my first comment about DC Jurors I meant to cite this comment.

Still, if it's easy to convict Libby, now, in a DC court; because the judge allows in illiterates. People who couldn't possibly fill out juror forms

Sara (The Squiggler)

Pollyusa, I'm not getting involved in the namecalling, but the remarks about the DC jury do stem from the judge's remarks in saying that there are illiterates who can't fill out a jury questionnaire. If anyone was off-base in their remarks, it seems to me it is the judge. In fact, I was rather shocked to see he made those types of remarks.

Cecil Turner

And I'm definitely with Cecil that Team Libby has to take the political bent of DC into account, just like any defense team has to take the political bent of their environment into account.

We agree, again? What's that make, twice? Yikes!

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