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June 13, 2006

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Rick Ballard

Gary,

No, I hadn't seen it. I did hear that Greenberg addressed a big Sterile Futilist gathering in DC yesterday and gave them some sobering news. Maybe this is what he was taliking about.

SOYLENT RED - Give us the real story - how did R/S/S achieve this?

Sara (The Squiggler)

Came across this while surfing around this morning:

If the prospects of Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi as Speaker of the House, Charles Rangel as Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, and John "Moonbat Jack" Murtha as House Majority Leader don't scare a wet spot into your trousers, try this: Pelousy reportedly intends to place Alcee Hastings (D-FL) in the top Dem slot on the Intelligence Committee.

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2006/06/house_of_horror_3.html

verner

Javani, I must disagree. The idea that they might sue is as real as Leopold's article on a Rove indictment.

The Wilsons are LIARS. Rove et. al would KILL them in discovery--where his lawyers would be allowed to bring in all the people the Wilsons told themselves, Kristof, Joe's political activity, etc. etc. etc. In other words, they could show how the Wilsons--both total scam artists--brought all of this on themselves, and have hardly suffered as a result.

They have already done the worst they can to Rove.

Rove (and whoever else they decide to sue) would make them look like dog meat in open court, and then have grounds for a counter suit. And if Rove needed a legal defense fund for the effort, I would imagine that there would be a number of folks jumping at the chance to throw a few bucks in just to watch the America's traitor "Boris and Natasha" pair get their just desserts.

In a way I hope they do it. But I assure you, the last place the Wilsons want to be is under oath.

JM Hanes

Sara - Lordy, Lordy, Lordy! Please, please, please let them float this roster!

verner

Hey Javani,

Speaking of that book deal, here's a thought. The reason the Wilson camp duped the poor pathetic Leopold at that particular time was a cynical effort to seal Val's book deal--which you've noticed has fallen by the wayside.

Now that Rove is out of danger, I would imagine that she'll be lucky to get a low six figure contract--cause nobody wants to waste a million bucks on a fraud based has been. Not to mention, yesterday's news doesn't sell.

Javani

""The Wilsons are LIARS"""

Plural? What did Valerie Wilson/Plame/Flame lie about?

JM Hanes

I'm collecting all the links the good folks here have been providing on separate tabs in my browser. When the sun hits the yardarm, I'm going to get out the popcorn, and read them all while watching Hardball on the tube, in a sort of personal festival of netrootery triumphalism. I'm thinking of calling it Fitzmas!

Sara (The Squiggler)

JMH -- I think the title of the post says it all:

House of Horrors IV: Alcee Hastings

verner

Let's put it this way Javani. Wilson said that she didn't have anything to do with sending him, and she did nothing to correct the record. She is as guilty as he is. Indeed, I've always thought that she was the brains in the family.

Rick Ballard

"What did Valerie Wilson/Plame/Flame lie about?"

The suitability of her husband for 'Mission to Niger'.

jerry

Armitage will be on Charley Rose tonight.

ordi

Patrick Kennedy's presser is hilarious.

He says he is "I am looking forward to getting on with my next chapter." Then he had Congress Ramstad come up and speak as a gratgeful recovering acholic.

Looks like the next chapter in Patches life will be an AA chapter. LOL

Patton

"""What did Valerie Wilson/Plame/Flame lie about? Posted by: Javani """

The photo should have been of Wilson solo, but, as Plame recalls, one of the couple’s children wandered into the frame; she got caught by the camera when she raced in to scoop up the youngster.

Go look at the photo - it is clearly staged and not an accident.

Plame clearly lied about that.

Sue

JM,

I don't know where I was when I read it, but it was a left leaning site, that much I remember, but the sealed v sealed has pretty much been shot down because someone found 30 sealed v sealed filed in the past year. Nothing unique.

Patton

Its pretty clear Valerie had to know Joe was lying in his interviews with regard to knowing about forgeries, etc. Why didn't she get him to correct the record?

equitus

re: The last Donk success

Last year's California ballot initiatives. God, what a depressing outcome.

vnjagvet

I am late to the comment party, but am feeling very satisfied with (a) the performances of Rove's attorneys and, (b) in general, the justice system today.

I wish there were somewhere to nominate the following for these prizes (the web's equivalent to Pulitzers, now obsolete, I am afraid):

Winner of all winners on this story:

Clarice (The Thinker) Feldman for her persistence, uncanny accuracy, Holmesian inductive reasoning ability, and sheer chutzpa for lack of hedging in challenging the CW in this matter.

Guru to the Blogosphere, Attention Grabber and Stimulator of the Best Comment Strings, our webhost, Tom McGuire of JOM.

Clearly this was the go-to site for the most open and substantive discussions on this story. And Tom pulled together the substance that attracted us here like moths to a flame.

Finally, to all of you who have and are still commenting on this story for Best Commenter string on a blog in a substantive story.

On a daily basis, all of the regulars here pro and con deserve kudos. A remarkably consistent and cohesive gang that kept up a sprited discussion and, for the most part kept it rational and interesting without undue snark.

Whether or not all of this has influenced Fitzgerald's gang, it sure has helped keep the story between the white lines while exploring the legal and political implications.

This could be a case study of how the blogosphere works when it is working well.

jerry

TM re: Keep Hope Quashed

That was what the Post had as the headline. Maybe I'll have to accept TalkLeft's conclusion from all this, difficult though it may be. Armitage tonight will be interesting.

topsecretk9

Sue

I guess there were 2 bombs...I noticed this:

Hopefully one of his "sources" close to the Joe Wilson investigation will let him in on the news.

The Unbeliever

Hrm. As of a few seconds ago, TruthOut's front-page advertised Plamegate coverage section has no mention at all of Rove being cleared... in fact the top story in the queue is Leopold's "Karl Rove Indicted on Charges of Perjury, Lying to Investigators" story!

I'm starting to suspect the site authors named the place "TruthOut" in the sense of "Out, out damn spot!"

Sara (The Squiggler)

I second vnjaqvet!

Jane

Clarice,

I didn't mean to ask you to hunt down the indictment, I just wanted "off the top of your head" so thanks for providing that.

Javani

""Let's put it this way Javani. Wilson said that she didn't have anything to do with sending him, and she did nothing to correct the record.""

What is this "record?" There's a court record? MSM record? What is her duty to "correct" anything? And against her spouse? Isn't she obliged not to talk to the press by reason of her employment? Why can't Karl Rove, etc. correct the record?

clarice

TS did find sealed v sealed first. Salon (yesterday) busted the notion that it was anything unusual. I am quite certain it was the Time docs presented to the Ct as part of the Libby discovery process.

I forgot who said it but the best remark IMO about Truth Out was If you want the truth get outta here.

Jane

It really feels like the tide is turning these days - and isn't that something that sounds right up Rove's sleeve? I'm sure he engineered the whole rumors of the indictment - thing in order to wedge this victory in between the left's loss in CA, the death of Zarqawi, and Patrick Kennedy's guilty plea.

topsecretk9

JHHanes

All of the assigned case numbers to the media in USA vs. Libby are sequential..(my laptop is in the shop, so my links and pacer password are with it) but for instance -Miller 106-mc-124, NYT is 106-mc-125 and so on...I replaced "MC" with "CR" on all US vs. Libby media case numbers and all are recent cases filed that had nothing to do with Rove, Libby or Fitzgaerald...all totally unrelated FWIW. On that I figured Leopold stumbled on the similar case number by accident (or whatever) and decided he could create a story around it (and who would ever know it was really a totally unrelated action cuz it's secret!)

clarice

vngagvet, thank you kindly for your over-generous remarks.
Jane, glad I answered your question to your satisfaction.
And now SOME BIG NEWS:
"NEWS ALERT****

Jason Leopold will do a radio appearance today:

"Jason Leopold, the Truthout.org reporter who asserted May 13 that Karl Rove had been indicted in the CIA leak case, has scheduled an appearance on the nationally syndicated Ed Schultz talk radio show at 3:30 PM ET, RAW STORY can reveal."

Daddy

Remember Lawrence O'Donnell's magic list in his coat pocket of the 22 other guys Fitz was gonna' indict before last Xmas? Also remember Lawrence telling us he's never drunk a beer before? Lawrence, I'd suggest today might be a good occasion for your first blotto kegger drunkfest. Round up Howard Dean, Olberman, Chrissy Mathews, and have at it. It'll do you a world of good. You might contact the Duke Lacrosse Team for some tips of what to be chuggin' this evening. I hear the alleged Duke rape victim swears by those ICE HOUSE 20 ouncers . Obviously they altered reality for her, so maybe it'll work for you guys too. Cheers!

verner

Well dear, the NYT and the WAPO are suppose to be the nation's "papers of record" (I know I know...) And then there's the SSIC record, where Mr. Wilson, under oath, was forced to admit her role.

I'm really tired of "Val as Victim." She knew perfectly well what her husband was doing--and she certainly has reaped the gold from it (I'm waring Armani...LOL.)

In RICO investigations, the silent partners are just as guilty as the public mouth pieces. She knew exactly what he was up to before she ever brought up his name, and she knew that he was a more than safe bet to rubber stamp the corrupt CIA's view that Saddam didn't want any yellow cake from Niger.

I think that Cheney was kind just to suggest that she initiated a junket for her husband.

And if we would just be allowed to know a) who sent him without a confidentiality agreement and b) who sent and leaked that bogus referral to the JD, we'd have all our answers. (By the way, Fitz knows I would guess. Maybe that's why he has issued any more indictments? Could be.)

By the way, anybody catch that crackpot Barbara Boxer on Fox claiming Val was under deep deep cover? I hope somebody tivo-ed it.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

I think "Truthout, Liesin" (comment at PW) beats even that.

It seems as if Fitz is down to Moynihan's press flack against Libby. From semi-tasty stew to clear broth. I sure would like to see a list of Libby's press contacts from around that time.

clarice

VNJAGVET,I apologize for forgetting to send you this. http://americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5578

clarice

Should we start a pool to see when the Cooper counts get dropped? I say some day in Agist when the town is cleared out.

clarice

*AUGUST*****

PeterUK

"Jason Leopold, the Truthout.org reporter who asserted May 13 that Karl Rove had been indicted in the CIA leak case, has scheduled an appearance on the nationally syndicated Ed Schultz talk radio show at 3:30 PM ET, RAW STORY can reveal."

Is that within the terms of his probation order?

clarice

I can't bear to turn on Matthews. I am counting on reports from those of you who can endure it.

Sue

Leopold not ready to admit story is not true.

Leopold hasn't seen letter.

Did Rove cooperate? Plea deal?

Stands by indictment story.

Sue

Won't jump out with mea culpas.

Rove needs to explain why he wasn't indicted.

Host accuses Leopold of calling Luskin a liar.

Leopold won't name sources no matter outcome.

Sue

Karl Rove's attorney is the only source. Nothing from Fitz. Give him time to hear from Fitz before he goes out there...if bad information given to him, will decide what to do. If something did happen 4 weeks and suddenly it changed in Rove's favor, how does that make Leopold wrong?

ordi

Byron York's latest:

ROVE, FITZ, AND THE LEFT'S LATEST GREAT HOPE [Byron York]

There has been much speculation in the pro-indictment community that Karl Rove made some sort of deal with CIA leak prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald in which Rove promised to cooperate in return for not being indicted. (The hope is that somehow Rove agreed to help nail Vice President Dick Cheney.) I just talked to defense spokesman Mark Corallo, who told me, "There are no conditions to this action by the special prosecutor. There has never been any talk of conditions, of cooperation, of anything that could even be construed as conditions. This just simply reflects the fact that the special prosecutor found Mr. Rove to be a truthful and credible witness from the beginning." Posted at 3:34 PM

Sue

I believe there were clearly cooperation going on behind the scenes. No way Rove given ticket to freedom without something happening in the past weeks since testified. Absolutely believes. Needs to be explored.

ordi

Sue,

Sorry, Rove's lawyers say your incorrect.

Sue

Leopold's sources still telling him there is a sealed indictment.

There is a sealed indictment.

Been working tirelessly.

Get to bottom of it.

Decision not made on his own to protect sources. Organization made the decision. (Truthout?)

Promises host he will come back on show and be very forthcoming.

He's in hot seat.

He's saying 4 weeks ago when he wrote story what his sources told him was exactly what happened. Whatever transpired since then has clearly changed Rove's status. Needs to get to bottom of what has happened in last 4 to 6 weeks.

Host isn't cutting him slack.

Host telling Jason he is wrong. Professionally taking hit.

Leopold not saying indictment is still coming. Doesn't know what is happening to change Rove's status. What if Rove cut deal? Cooperate? Wouldn't that change everything?

Host still not buying it.

Leopold saying others reported it too.

If things change in next 24 hours he'll come back.

::grin::

You can thank me later. (or cuss me for tying up the board with his nonsense.)

Sue

Ordi,

I'm reporting on Leopold's interview. ::grin::

Nothing I've typed in the last 4 or 5 posts are my words.

ed

This just simply reflects the fact that the special prosecutor found Mr. Rove to be a truthful and credible witness from the beginning.

Hence 5 trips to the grand jury. His story was just long!

Sue

ed,

That's okay. If you don't like York, you can have Leopold.

ordi

Sue,

A thousand pardons! I am sorry I missed the nuance of that! I could not figure out why you had gone to the "darkside"!

Sue

Ed Shultz says Leopold and Truthout need to name their source(s). Man, I want them to. You don't know how bad I want them to. Because I suspect Scary Larry is one of them. ::grin::

ordi

Sue

who was interviewing Leopold?

clarice

Thanks, sue. I especially loved that acknowledgment that his reputation was taking a hit..

Sue

Ordi,

No problem. I didn't indicate to anyone that was what I was doing. I just started typin in order to get the gist of the interview. ::grin::

ordi

Sue,

We all know how much you LOVE scary Larry. LOL

So you were listening to Fat Eddy Shultz. Brave women you are!

Sue

http://www.bigeddieradio.com/>Ed Schultz

Never heard of him myself.

verner

At this point, I really feel sorry for Jason Leopold. Yet another human sacrifice in the wake of the grasping Wilsons. Sick. Sick. Sick.

If he wants a shred of his dignity back (assuming he still has any) he should out them before they go on to ruin anyone else.

Sue

Clarice,

The host was not easy on him. I didn't get much of the questions or responses...mostly Leopold's side. But the host was not easy on him.

clarice

Wanta guess Fenton dragged JL out of retirement, and allowed the Wilson's to use him for this nonsense? He can't tell or he'd be penniless and on the street.


It's probably too early to return to our usual programming, but Mickey Kaus has the JOM theme down pat:
"Bob Shrum has a theme for the Democrats: Yes!

"Don't be afraid to say we're for the people, not the powerful." ____________

Yes, it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood.

topsecretk9

Sue

Thanks...for your service and your bravery!

Leopold won't name sources no matter outcome.

Hmmm, now he is the one who came up with this bright idea to name his sources when he was called to the 24 hour mat...then Larry on DU outing Wilson, then Truth Out guy Pitt saying Wilson had been working with Jason on the story and then...hmmm...

wonder how much money Wilson offered Leopold ::grin::

ed

You're assuming he has sources. Also Jeff's mentioned it elswhere, but Armitage is scheduled for Charlie Rose tonight. They're all crawling out of the woodwork today.

Sara (The Squiggler)

ROVE, FITZ, AND THE LEFT'S LATEST GREAT HOPE [Byron York]
There has been much speculation in the pro-indictment community that Karl Rove made some sort of deal with CIA leak prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald in which Rove promised to cooperate in return for not being indicted. (The hope is that somehow Rove agreed to help nail Vice President Dick Cheney.) I just talked to defense spokesman Mark Corallo, who told me, "There are no conditions to this action by the special prosecutor. There has never been any talk of conditions, of cooperation, of anything that could even be construed as conditions. This just simply reflects the fact that the special prosecutor found Mr. Rove to be a truthful and credible witness from the beginning."
Posted at 3:34 PM

ed

And again:

This just simply reflects the fact that the special prosecutor found Mr. Rove to be a truthful and credible witness from the beginning.

Hence 5 trips to the grand jury. His story was just long!

Sue

Top,

The host asked him that question, why did he say he would out them and now say no way. His response was the organization wouldn't let him. Cue scary music...

Rick Ballard

Verner,

Isn't Leopold just as willing as the Wilson's? Granted, he's not going to collect anything but Ambassador Munchausen had much more than speaking fees in mind when he sold out.

I find Leopold no less pitiful than Joe or Val but none of them are pitiable. Contemptible but not pitiable.

Sara (The Squiggler)

Oops, forgot to say why I quoted York ... to answer the junk by Leopold and Stephen Spruiell's cogent comment:

Via Allah, TruthOut finally responds. Make sure you're not drinking any beverages before you read this:

We are stunned by the magnitude of the reaction to the article we published yesterday morning. We have put our cards on the table. We invite Mr. Luskin to do the same.

To clarify: The entire basis for the information that "Rove has been cleared" comes from a verbal statement by Karl Rove's attorney. No one else confirms that. As Karl Rove's attorney Robert Luskin is bound to act - in all regards - in Rove's best interest. We question his motives.

That's it. That's their entire response. "We question his motives." It's like watching a man in a canoe paddling furiously against a current that's carrying him inevitably over the edge of a waterfall.


http://media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2M5OGY2MjkyNjgxMWMwOWE4M2UxOGZmMTVkZDU4Nzk=

topsecretk9

Well remeber folks...Libby submitted a Leopold Truthout article...(stray thought I am still working on)

but...it did make me think of something...don't you think Rove would depose Jason Leopold in any civil action?

pile of poop Wilson stepped in -number 257

verner

Leopold is a truly pathetic creature. I think he saw the Wilsons as a way to regain some of his credibility, and perhaps make a few bucks in the process.

Pity, con artists like the Wilsons and their cronies can smell that type a mile away--blind ambition combined with blind faith is a bad combo.

jerry

This is the best explanation I've read of the "Sealed vs Sealed" case:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/21/184052/881


Also Clarice, are practicing lawyers prohibited is some way from speculating on sealed cases (either legally, socially, or economically/business-wise)?

Sara (The Squiggler)

Well remeber folks...Libby submitted a Leopold Truthout article...(stray thought I am still working on)

TS -- No I didn't remember that. In fact, I don't think I knew that.

The Unbeliever

The last three years have obviously been yet another flagrant, convoluted scheme to attack an innocent political opponent of the Bush Administration. Maybe we couldn't see the whole picture back in 2003, but it's obvious now: the entire Fitzgerald investigation was an elaborate plot to smear Jason Leopold!

Rove, you magnificient bastard...

Javani

"""""""This just simply reflects the fact that the special prosecutor found Mr. Rove to be a truthful and credible witness from the beginning.""""""

Or Rove had the smidgen of common sense to "disremember" what happened and validate how Novak publicly described his convo with Rove.

Sue

Having never heard Mr. Leopold before, I can't say if his voice always has a quiver to it, but it certainly did today.

topsecretk9

Sara

Exhibit L - 14 Apr 06 truthout article (Leopold), "Libby Filing: A Denial and a Mystery -- this JOM post, in the pdf filings...or google

Wilson's a liar

Verner - I don't think we should necessarily lump Val in with her lying narcissist husband. I really think she was duped by him all along. She is his third wife, you know, and third wives are often in denial about the shortcomings that led Wives I and II to leave their men. Poor thing, she's found out the hard way now that Joe is simply a serial liar with a horrible delusion of grandeur. He used her to pimp his business in Africa, he used her to inflate his credentials with Nick Kristof and Walter Pincus, he used her to launch a phony war on Karl Rove because he was promised a super-cool job by John Kerry if he could help Kerry get elected, and he used her to get his 15 minutes of fame and his place in the liberal firmament that he so desperately wanted. All Val got was postpartum depression and the end of her career.

verner

Think about it Rick. What did Leopold have to gain? His sources KNEW what they were telling him was horse poop. But he ran with it, because he wanted to believe them so badly. Would he have made up such a whopper on his own, knowing the fallout if he was dead wrong? Maybe, but I doubt it. What would have been the point? If he had not done it, he would still be posting anti-Bush screeds on Truthout without any flak.

On the other hand, the Wilsons had everything to gain, and nothing to lose by getting the added publicity. There was an outside chance that Rove could have been indicted. And if not, they have every right to distance themselves from Leopold--as long as he keeps his mouth shut. (And if he doesn't, all they have to do is call him a delusional liar.) In the meantime, 32 press people called Rove's lawyer, and the flagging story got legs--just as Val was negotiating her book deal.

maryrose

When I woke up this morning and turned on Imus and voila! Rove not charged!. The day has been a good one for truth'justice and the American way!
As far as hardball- clarice I am happy to do my part and watch tonight with popcorn.
Sue:
Thanks for blogging the Leopold interview-I was at work and unable to view it.
TM; Thanks for a great post! I third Vynagnet's praise of you and clarice and all supporters of fairness. New record for posts about 200 in around 3 hours for this thread!

Sara (The Squiggler)

I'm not so quick to relieve Val of responsibility. She is joined at the hip with the rest of that rogue CIA cabal of the MOM variety and I don't think she is the least bit the innocent here.

verner

I don't know why anyone would want to excuse Val from this mess. She knew exactly what she was getting into when she married him--and if you ask me she's just as bad. The woman does have a brain, and she seems to be enjoying the ride--thank you very much.

maryrose

Message to Joe Wilson:
FROGMARCH THIS!

confused

topsecretk9 - how is it that Armitage is mad at Grossman? I thought they were like super best friends... I've been trying to keep up, but I must have missed something along the way...

Sue

--just as Val was negotiating her book deal.

Which fell apart. I wonder if she had to sign something claiming she was indeed a super, duper secret agent?

maryrose

Val and Joe = high -priced grifters!

PeterUK

"What did Leopold have to gain?" Fame money a secure future as a left wing demonologist,read his history,why do people steal hubcaps?

linda seebach

Point of information: President Clinton did not "escape impeachment." He was impeached by the House of Representatives, on four counts if I recall correctly. He escaped conviction in the Senate.

Sue

Man...in all the excitement, I missed http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060613/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_life_atheist_lawsuit;_ylt=AtR.wuHLvAc2grDtKdt9cZadk3QF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA%E2%80%94>this

A red letter day all around, it would seem.

Wilson's a liar

I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything, but I think Val was mostly a victim here, not of Karl Rove or Scooter Libby but of her own scheming husband. I see the book deal as Joe's last attempt to salvage something for Val after he ruined everything for her. She isn't going to be Mrs. Secretary of State now, and she isn't going to be Mrs. Man Who Brought Down Karl Rove. Her 15 minutes are up as of today. I don't think she really wanted to end up just unemployed Mrs. Moonbat. While she might have had some bad motives of her own, or at least been sympathetic to others in the CIA who did, I'm willing to bet Joe put her up to most of it to help his little Make-Me-Famous project. He promised her the moon and she has gotten ashes. He had better hope now that she doesn't dump him and REALLY tell all. But the third wife is usually not the last.

clarice

You are right, linda.

How do you know the tide has turned in Iraq. Tin ear for the political truth, Kerry, has announced he was wrong to vote for it and it's time to pull out.

And, as Taranto notes, most Americans now think we are going to win there.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110008510

The man is utterly incompetent as a politician.

verner

Yeah Sue, but if Val was at the table, trying to ink the deal, don't you think it would have been a bargaining chip to say "Hey look at this recent story in the WaPoMSNBCNYTetc., they're going to indict Rove, and I'm the gal who brought down Bush's Brain!"

I really really really wouldn't put it past them.. They put it out with a bottom feeder like Leopold, hoping that some willing idiot would take the bait.

At this point, the real book deal, and the money will go to the author who writes a book ABOUT the Wilsons, and what traitors, liars and cheats they are. I hope one is in the works. I nominate Byron York for the task.

JM Hanes

tops

"I replaced "MC" with "CR" on all US vs. Libby media case numbers and all are recent cases filed that had nothing to do with Rove, Libby or Fitzgaerald...all totally unrelated FWIW. On that I figured Leopold stumbled on the similar case number by accident (or whatever) and decided he could create a story around it (and who would ever know it was really a totally unrelated action cuz it's secret!)"

I did something similar myself and drew similar conclusion (although I was doing it yesterday, not last month!). That's why I'm sorry we don't have any indication of who the presiding judge on SvS is; although even if it were Walton, it wouldn't necessarily be Fitzgerald related. I've been meaning to go back to check on precisely when Leopold pulled "06 cr 128" out of his....hat, just to satisfy my own curiousity, but just can't work up the mojo to do it because in the interim I discovered that:

I've been banned!
For the very first time ever, anywhere, my commenting privileges at TruthOut have been summarily revoked! Who'd a thunk the paragon of civility that is the Pontifficatrix could ever meet such a fate? Break out the champagne! And a round of Burnt Offerings for one and all!

ordi

Wilson's a liar.

I ain't buying it. After all Our Pal Val was suppose to be a "Super-Secret Spy", she had better be smarter than you give her credit for.

Rick Ballard

Verner,

As I said, Leopold is pitiful but not pitiable - his motive was the same as Val and Joe's, he just went in for much smaller stakes.

I agree with you completely about Val, she's a Day 1 willing accomplice. If she was solid enough to be an agent she's solid enough to say "No" to a nitwit husband.

Sue

Verner,

I wasn't implying you were wrong, simply wondering if the deal fell through because she had to swear she was covert. ::grin::

Sara (The Squiggler)

Sue -- more likely she had to get the manuscript approved by CIA, and that sure wouldn't happen under the new leadership, or publish without the permission and face charges of her own.

verner

Let me make this clear. Valerie Wilson has been side by side with her husband from day one. Joe Wilson was a Gore man, and the anti-war, anti-Bush orgs that he involved himself with SHORTLY AFTER he returned from Niger were already well organized. (And I still believe that there is a good case to be made that he was involved with them BEFORE he went to Niger)

Valerie shared Joe's political beliefs. She gave money to the democrats in her own name. And it is ONLY because of her, that an anti-Bush democrat political operative was allowed on such a sensitive mission.

She is as guilty as sin. Don't waste any chivalry on that broad. Being in Vanity Fair was the best thing that ever happened to her--and there will always be dupes on the Holly Wood circuit who think they're heroes.

Wilson's a liar

Ordi - love makes even smart women do dumb things. I would have thought Hillary Rodham was too smart to be seduced by the likes of Bill Clinton too, but she wasn't. ;-)

topsecretk9

JMHanes

I've been meaning to go back to check on precisely when Leopold pulled "06 cr 128" out of his....hat, just to satisfy my own curiosity, but just can't work up the mojo to do it because in the interim I discovered that:

I've been banned!
For the very first time ever, anywhere, my commenting privileges at TruthOut have been summarily revoked! Who'd a thunk the paragon of civility that is the Pontifficatrix could ever meet such a fate? Break out the champagne! And a round of Burnt Offerings for one and all!

1. ">http://www.seixon.com/blog/archives/2006/06/sealing_the_dea.html"> Sexion has a good run down on the blogger Patrickkfitzgerarl.blogspot.com who Seixon speculated is a Jason blog of the sock puppet sort...Anyways, that blog was the first to float out the sealed vs. sealed (with screen shot around May 25th (looks like he went hunting for some "proof" after 24 hours fell apart or visa versa)

2. BANNED?

You? It is shocking...but break out the bubbly -- you've arrived.

verner

Rick and Sue, I got ya. We're reading on the same page.

Sue

Squig,

Probably. But I like me scenario better. Unless and until I'm proven wrong again. Happening a lot lately, but that's okay.

Verner,

Amen. She is not an innocent bystander, IMO either.

Barney Frank

verner,

Heaven help the twins if Joe is the brains in the family.

maryrose

Wilson's a liar:
The minute I heard the title of Val's book-FAIR GAME I knew she was in on the get Kerry elected scam from day one! Her appearance at the correspondent's dinner said it all! She's playing the victim -but in reality she's one of many instigators!
Agreed clarice:
Kerry is tone deaf and is literally Missing the boat" this time rather than piloting it. The man is utterly incompetent and clueless!

topsecretk9

oops...make that

Patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com

PeterUK

"I don't think we should necessarily lump Val in with her lying narcissist husband. I really think she was duped by him all along."

The weakness in this is that Plame was a super-duper,classified,covert,hot dog CIA secret agent....she would work with the duplicitous as a matter of course.If she was that gullible,what if Joe had worked for Saddam Hussein?

Sue

John Kerry made a joke today. No seriously. He said that Iraq wasn't really like Vietnam. Bush was actually in Iraq. Baddaboom...

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