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July 29, 2006

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Cecil Turner

. . . although I haven't found it there.

It's there. Try this link, which links to the subpoena here.

JorgXMckie

This sorta suggests one should be careful where one blows one's whistle.

Ensla

FBI was questioning 15 Congress members. If they were part of the (Plame) Grand Jury investigation into NSA(where CIA analysts are moving-DIA) leaks are they banned from committees for five years like the law that protected informants(Plame)?

The NSA employee now being questioned is going over as the CIA analysts move to DIA/NSA.

No Fear legislation is supposed to co ver all federal employees.

Specter

It is about time this netroot-nutcase is brought before an real investigative group.

windansea

who is the lead prosecutor in this

do we get a Fitz?

Other Tom

I love it--"Government begins its witch hunt." (See Cecil Turner's link.) The bad thing about witch hunts was that witches don't really exist. Not so for federal employees who criminally disclose classified information to unauthorized persons.

Presumably there will be no Fitz here because there are no grounds for a special prosecutor--no reason the Justice professionals can't take this one on. And I assume Tice will take the Fifth, although he has incriminated himself abundantly in the press already. Unofrtunately, I believe the DOJ guidelines provide that reporters should be subpoenaed only as a last resort, which is the way Fitz supposedly did it. This oughta be good!

Jane

The subpoena is signed by Steven A Tyrrell.

Google says he is employed as an assistant AG by the US Attorney's Office, Southern District of Florida .

Specter

If it's a witch hunt let's strap Tice onto a Fajr 5 and light the fuse. If he lives, he's a witch. If not, well...no more wasted dollars.

(For those of you who think this was a serious suggestion - I was using satire to not only make fun of Tice, but of our own history.)

Gawwwd...having to put disclaimers into posts....what next?

windansea

lets hope Tyrrell is a tyranosaurus :)

clarice

There will not be a special prosecutor because there is no reason for the press and the Dems to demand the appointment of one. Period.

Congressmen and their staff who refuse to take (or flunk) polygraphs lose their security clearance and would be barred from the intel committee and any other committee which gets access to classified material. There have been many hints that Rockefeller was a NSA leaker and that the reported "back trouble" which has kept him from attending Sen Intel Committee hearings is a pretext to cover his refusal to take a polygraph.

Ensla

I forgot mention that Plame was investigating domestic political groups that Congress investigated (500 things) from Brewster's Millions and possibly used NSA resources to which she took exception with the intelligence committe or Specter.

Plame's boss is running the CIAs move to NSA/DIA.

Rockefeller was'nt the leaker. He was the one who did a godd job and KNEW ALOT.

Tyrell is in that movie...........

Rick Ballard

Ensla,

Try bringing a little more to the party or you'll be found guilty by reason of mental defect.

How's Cole by the way?

clarice

ensla seems to have super secret sources of information not available to the rest of us mere mortals.

larwyn

Hasn't the NSA already established a defense for Tice by dismissing him for "mental problems".

Will he now just admit he's crazy and midnight e-mails/visits from V*I*P*E*R*S* told him to do it.

That's what led him to write senario for soon to released movie
"Snakes on Planes".

Lurker reports that the DU poll is up to 84%. Is DU running this poll to add "moonbat credibility" to all insanity pleas from LEAKERS
and TERRORISTS. (Seattle shooter, loner with bi-polar)

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

Assuming Tice takes the Fifth, the door then swings open for Lichtblau and Risen to spend some quality time with the gj, no? Per the fantastic 'Fitzgerald Precedent' but without recourse to false affidavits, of course.

Does appellate jurisdiction remain within the DC Court or is the Eastern District under another division?

clarice

IIRC Tice is being tried in Virginia which would seem to mean Appellate jurisdiction is with the Fourth Circuit, not the US Dist Ct for the Dist of Columbia unless there is some special jurisdiction thing re federal espionage which I am unaware of ..But the Miller ruling is unlikely to be overturned by them and the Miller suite in the federal pen will be available for Lichtblau and Risen.

cathyf
ensla seems to have super secret sources of information not available to the rest of us mere mortals.
Although not enough information to construct a coherent paragraph. Hey, ensla hon, a little piece of advice: don't just assume we hear the same voices in our heads as you hear in yours -- you would need to give us a little more background if we were to have any clue as to what you are talking about.

cathy :-)

cathyf
Plame's boss is running the CIAs move to NSA/DIA.
And who would "Plame's boss" be? Plame told Vanity Fair that it was Alan Foley. He 1) says he was not her boss in the strongest of terms, and 2) has a new job that is clearly a demotion -- security chief at Argonne National Lab which does basic scientific research. (Perhaps he was looking for a job with a better work/life balance. His CIA position was quite senior and I'm sure he worked very long hours. Isn't "spend more time with the family" the generic all-purpose excuse?) But Agronne is definitely not NSA, or DIA, or even near DC. (It's in suburban Chicago.)

cathy :-)

topsecretk9

- Congress investigated (500 things)-

527's?

Other Tom

"I forgot mention that Plame was investigating domestic political groups that Congress investigated (500 things) from Brewster's Millions and possibly used NSA resources to which she took exception with the intelligence committe or Specter."

Say what? Plame was investigating something? Can some English major parse that sentence for me?

clarice

**not the US COURT OF APPEALS for the District of Columbia Circuit**(Sorry)

Rick Ballard

"Can some English major parse that sentence for me?"

SpecialEd majors might have an advantage over English majors with this one. It may be a poem to be chanted while accompanied by Peruvian flute. Hard to say.

clarice

Marching to a different Dumber?

SunnyDay

Isn't Brewster's Millions a movie or TV show or something?

PeterUK

Apparently,Russell "Make that a triple with extra fries" Tice,reported a colleague for being overtly Chinese,appearing to live above her income and going on holiday.For this Tice was given psychiatric tests,which he passed,just like Larry,but thereon in demoted via the motor pool to cleaning out a warehouse.
The FBI are anxious to interview him for several security leaks to the New Leak Times,and to ascertain the whereabouts of the keys to the broom closet.

windansea

Tyrell is in that movie...........

Brewster's Millions???

oh...cease and desist with the multiple ....

that's my trademark pal

topsecretk9

Was a little known front company really a little known rougue front company?

vnjagvet

The District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia in Alexandria is known as the "rocket docket" because of its no-nonsense approach to moving both its civil and criminal calendars.

Its grand and petit juries are generally well-qualified and competant. Its Judges are well-respected.

It is normally the District of choice for espionage and security cases because it is both swift and technically proficient. Moreover, its appellate court,the Fourth Circuit in Richmond, is one of the most prosecution friendly Circuit Courts in the country.

If I were a leaker, I would lawyer up now. This is a serious, professional effort. It does not have any of the normal earmarks of a political investigation.

Extraneus

All I can say is, it's about time. I'm really looking forward to the balanced coverage this investigation will certainly get in the MSM, but hopefully we'll still be able to get some decent clues as to who's sweating. At any rate, it's probably a good idea to moderate one's expectations regarding the Bush Adminstration's willingness to go after domestic enemies.

topsecretk9

If I were a leaker, I would lawyer up now.

Interesting Vnj

Raising funds to lawyer up too, huh? Hmm.

ordi

windansea,

Isn't imitation always the best form of flattery??????? TM :)

Rick Ballard

Vnjagvet,

The only little niggle to interrupt a full throated cheer from me wa the language "Section 793 and other related statutes" in the subpoena. I would prefer to have seen Section 798 which does not have the intent problem which arises with 793. Perhaps Tice will be nailed with 793 on the "or reason to believe" aspect and Sulzberg, Keller, Lichtblau and Risen with 798.

They can use either for Rockefeller et al in the Senate.

clarice

Exactly so vnjagvet..And from what Mac is reporting this is not being run by a neophyte in the ways of the Washington world like Fitz--these prosecutors know what they are doing..and have diagrammed their cases.

clarice

About the ingenuity of American soldiers--using toys to foil IEDs.http://americanthinker.com/comments.php?comments_id=5688

Other Tom

The subpoena refers to Section 793 "and other related statutes." By God I want this asshole frog-marched.

Rick Ballard

"By God I want this asshole frog-marched."

Tice?
Rockefeller?
Durbin?
Sulzberger?
Keller?
Lichtblau?
Risen?

One has to be more specific when all members of a group share a common attribute.

topsecretk9

I wondered in the past - and believe - the NSA "leak" was a bit more nefarious than a straight arrow at the Bush Admin.

I suspect the NSA program was similar in nature to Able Danger - and the reasons given for scrapping AD were the inherent tendency that people - other than Al Quida - popped up and that Gorelick "Wall" sure came in handy.

The CIA embraced that "wall" too. Maybe the "wall" was born out of good intentions, but like so many things became a useful tool that could be exploited, for protection, to hide things. Once that "wall" is broken, well it's almost like sunlight getting in.

Anyways, I suspect the NSA program turned up uncomfortable things. I've read enough vague reference to this in stories, one in USA today - placed deep within ( the idea of this passage had been on one's mind)

"...At the very least, one can imagine this information being used by law enforcement agencies trying to trace people who have attracted their attention but about whom they don’t have enough information to justify a court order. Or to look for whistle-blowers who have leaked sensitive information to reporters..."

You can ALWAYS rely on the US news media to take the bait. Of course, they're whistleblowers -- (Hey news guys? What if those people are doing bad things, BEFORE the whistleblow?)

The leak seems like a controlled operation, with 4 purposes...politicize the program, therefore politicize any information the program found -- the ultimate CYA spin job, bad guys become heroic truthtellers, control the overall narrative (see 1) and oh yeah, hurt Bush.

(Doesn't this remind you of another incident we talk about?)

narciso

Interestingly enough, the agency mea culpa
ghosted by Ron Susskind, identifies Valerie's boss as as Rolfe Larson Mowatt, a former ranger, who rose to chief of station, in Moscow in the mid 90s,(how many COS were there in Moscow at the time; Kappes,Sulick et al) and Beijing, at the time of the 9/11 attacks; most recently
the head of DOE security.

Other Tom

"...At the very least, one can imagine this information being used by law enforcement agencies trying to trace people who have attracted their attention but about whom they don’t have enough information to justify a court order. Or to look for whistle-blowers who have leaked sensitive information to reporters..."

At least from the accounts of the NSA program that have appeared in the press, I don't see how it could be used to seek out whistle blowers. With one or two exceptions that have been described as inadvertent errors, every call has been an international one, and the only calls in which content has been intercepted have been ones in which the person at the other end was suspected of terrorist activity. Obviously this--or any other--system can be abused, but the adminstration people say the congressional intelligence people were fully briefed, and none of them has claimed otherwise. So I don't see it.

topsecretk9

OtherTom

That is why I think it was preemptive spin...what if the program identified employees who were engaged in things subversive, say? If said employee leaks the program to newspapers (NOTE - NOT the procedural way set up to PROTECT true whistle-blowers) said employee has attempted to insulate himself AND has now cast himself as a whistle-blow -- essentially blew the whistle on the program that identified him as a crime doer instead.

Speculation, but because these were "leaks" and these so-called whistle-blowers did not seek SOP which is the very thing designed to protect them, speaks volumes to me.

PeterUK

What if,for example someone was intercepted aranging a meeting with the enemy leader ship,say in Paris?

vnjagvet

Other Tom's point is well taken, Rick. I believe any of the Sections under Chapter 37 are encompassed by the "and related statutes" language.

The intent requirements are not identical between 793 and 798, but they are similar, and both can be met with circumstnatial evidence.

Clarice is right that they have "diagrammed their cases". These prosecutors have their shit together.

Expect pleas, immunity grants and turning of witnesses. Once the suspects lawyer up there will be a race to be first person out.

That is not unusual in the rocket docket.

And don't expect many leaks, either. The E.D. Va. Judges are not shy about contempt, and the bar that regularly practices there tow the mark.

Most targets and defendants, if they are wise, get counsel admitted in the E.D. Va. on their team early in the process.

It takes a pretty significant advance retainer to get such counsel on board.

vnjagvet

"circumstnatial" = "circumstantial"

"tow" = "toe"

No preview for this gyu!!!!!

verner

Narsico:

"Interestingly enough, the agency mea culpa
ghosted by Ron Susskind, identifies Valerie's boss as as Rolfe Larson Mowatt, a former ranger, who rose to chief of station, in Moscow in the mid 90s,(how many COS were there in Moscow at the time; Kappes,Sulick et al) and Beijing, at the time of the 9/11 attacks; most recently
the head of DOE security."

What are you talking about?

Rick Ballard

Vnjagvet,

I took Other Tom's point - and agree. The rising, skirt over their heads hysteria on the seditionist Times editorial page leads to a growing hope that some of the scum there may find themselves as guests of the government.

Tice made a choice to go public with his subpoena - there may be others who have been summoned but do not regard the invitation as something to brag about.

I've been reading a bit about the 'rocket docket' and the Fourth Circuit. What a fine bunch of folks! It will be a pleasure to watch a competent prosecutorial team in action. If we're truly fortunate, Tice will hire Chemerinsky for his lead counsel and provide absolute proof as to the professors courtroom expertise.

topsecretk9

What do you think LCJ menat when he said (in email)

"When the story breaks about DOD IO Ops against Amcits should make life even more interesting."

clarice

He probably mmeant that the VIPS are riding with Levin and the media again to recreate another Plame type bit of horsehit..More cominng..

PeterUK

Larry the Analyst has been out of the business sine 1993,so whence comes his bright shiny new information? Obviously he might have the goods on Bill Clinton,but Hillary is a lot scarier than Larry.

PeterUK

Incidentally isn't Naveed Afzal Haq an AMCIT?

clarice

Apparently so--and there's more:
"When asked if the suspect was Muslim, Kerlikowske said at a news conference, "you could infer that that was his background." Laura Laughlin, special agent in charge of the Seattle FBI office, said Haq was a U.S. citizen.

Haq's lawyer, Larry Stephenson, told The Seattle Times that he thought Haq was single and unemployed, and that Haq had a misdemeanor lewd conduct charge pending in Benton County. Haq had been accused of exposing himself in a public place, Stephenson told The Times.

Haq's parents were shaken by his arrest in the shootings, the lawyer said.

"I talked to his father, and his mother is crying, and they don't know what is going on," Stephenson said. "They are very, very shook up."

Yousef Shehadeb, 46, a member of the Islamic Center of the Tri-Cities, recalled Haq as quiet and something of a loner. Shehadeb said he and Haq's father, Mian Haq, both work at the Hanford nuclear reservation, as do many members of the area's Muslim community. "


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060729/ap_on_re_us/seattle_shooting_26

maryrose

Finally justice is at hand. I would pay to see Tice take the Fifth. It will finally prove to the world that this demoted,sour grapes person is no more a whistleblower than the Man in the Moon. He is seriously incompetent and the world needs to be aware of this fact. Any other statements he makes need to be discounted. He's a has been with an ax to grind-nothing more.

lurker

"When the story breaks about DOD IO Ops against Amcits should make life even more interesting."

Is this gonna be another crap story like Leopold's 24-hour Rovian indictment story?

And what is AMCIT?


Rick Ballard

American Citizen. Larry the Dope thinks that speaking in acronymese lends authority to his impersonation of a sentient being.

vnjagvet

The Time's editorial staff will have to simmer down if this thing gets started.

The US Attorney's office in the ED used to be pretty impervious to political or media pressure, and were not particularly impressed by the "elite" bar. I haven't heard that they have changed.

George Freeman, the Times' Litigation GC, will earn his keep over the next few months if this crew investigates Rick's list of suspects.

clarice

I think--from the attacks on Ledeen in Rolling Stone, etc..that the VIPS are trying to work their magic again..I am getting the goods together on this--and its the same sleazeoids.. adn the same media whores.(I have their email list.) HAH

lurker

Ah...American Citizens...that NYT and Risen's reporting of the NSA terrorist surveillance program. Larry the Dope was referring to Tice and Sibel's organization whistle-blowing DOD IO (whichever that means) is actually doing the domestic surveillance (outside foreign).

Right. Wonder if there are still leaks inside CIA...if Larry continues to harp about it.

Nah...it's a typical Rovian story.

lurker

Oh, good, Clarice! AT has a new article about how conservative bloggers are beginning to defend other conservative bloggers:

Going on the Defense

BTW, Cindy buying that 5 acres wasn't real smart. It won't be long before she goes into obscurity. Will anyone buy from her? HHhhmmm...Medea?

clarice

And why is the BBC's Jan Hill circulting to the media dogs a story in Rolling Stone so stupid that they have Iran giving Saddam shelter in Iran before he was deposed?

Dumb and evil.

Rick Ballard

Lichtblau, Risen and Keller would be out of their minds to allow the NYT corporation to have anything to do with their representation other than pay for it. Junior Sulzberger can sit on Mr. Freeman's knee but the others have to understand that Mr. Freeman will count it as a victory if Junior stays out of jail even if they are sentenced to 10 years.

There's an interview with Sulzberger in Editor and Publisher where he makes it abundantly clear that his position is that Keller never discussed publication of the NSA story with him. He's lying through his teeth but Keller, Lichtblau and Risen should print a copy of that interview and tape it to the mirror they use in the morning.

They might want to chat with Judy Miller about how far to trust the boss, too.

ordi

Clarice,

Will you be publishing the email list? Remember, the public has the right to know! :)

ordi

DOD IO = Dept of Defense Information Operations

clarice

Rick--you devil..

Yes, here is Hill's email list..just so you know what the gorwnups Townhouse looks like.


From: Jan Hill
Date: July 13, 2006 10:09:19 AM EDT
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , Peggy Noonan , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "Kathleen \(Clueless\) Parker" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]" , "[email protected]"

clarice

Maybe Jan should get a calender and a timeline of the war instead of using her BBC office to circulate such a laughable piece.

lurker

Oh, this email list...

Give me another break! Yanno, what you, McCarthy, Levin, York, and Ledeen should do is email your responses using that very same email list!

Other Tom

No way the Times's counsel can represent individual defendants/witnesses. There's an inherent conflict there; the Times will end up paying their fees but not controlling what their lawyers do.

I would imagine that since the London bombings of a year ago MI5 might wish it had been a bit more aggressive with respect to what Crazy Larry might call BritCits.

clarice

Folks, feel free to use this email list. Anyone stupid enough to fall for the Maberg lies needs a lot of educating..

clarice

*******Bamberg********

vnjagvet

OT:

Of course, you are right. Freeman, however, will be responsible for assuring that each of the Times' senior people is well defended. You can be sure that he will be therefore be involved with the selection of counsel.

After that, he will be following the proceedings like a hawk to try make sure the Times as an institution is protected as much as possible.

clarice

If Keller never told Pinch he was publishing something all the Congressional leaderss and the WH asked him not to because it would harm national security, why wasn;t he fired?

Rick Ballard

Vnjagvet,

The "selection of counsel" piece is where I was trying to go. I have a feeling that wrt Judy Miller there was more than simply selecting being done. There was no need for her to have gone to jail at all - other than a rather poor job by a very well respected attorney who didn't have his eye solely on his clients interest.

Clarice,

The interview is buried in the Editor & Publisher archives open only to subscribers but he really did say that. It was right after the article came out and it was obviously based on innoculation against 798 charges.

As I said - he was lying through his teeth.

clarice

Too bad it's buried. It would make an hilarious blog.."Bill Keller had to be careful shaving . The E & P article kept flashing into his consciousness > Ever since he saw it , he couldn't finish the job without inflciting a nick or two........."

topsecretk9

_American Citizen. Larry the Dope thinks that speaking in acronymese lends authority to his impersonation of a sentient being.--

HEH and extra HEH ( that HEH goes out our brother Barney Frank, who we all WISH would add his 2 cents more!!!!)

More Bareny, and Rick IS FUNNY!

larwyn

While the JERKS OF THE LEFT are playing - the GREAT GAME is going on:

Is Viktor B. Flying for Somali Islamists?

By Douglas Farah

Twice in one week the airport at Mogadishu, Somalia, was the scene of something almost unseen in the past decade-the landing of two large Soviet-era IL-76 cargo planes, among the biggest in the world, capable of carryng more than 50 tons in its hold. The airport is under the control of the Islamis militias that are intent on turning Somalia into an Islamic nation governed by a radical vision of what sharia law implies. Few flights have landed there at all in the past decade

.....On the first flight, the plane was painted with the "UN" markings denoting Kazakstan registration, with no other identifiers.

topsecretk9

media whores.(I have their email list.) HAH OH MY GAWD when I scroll through and SEE the "TownHouse"mini - or who knows it could ne "MANSION with a Pool"

Love it THANKS!!!

clarice

I tried it tonight and found one or two are now out of date..but there it is.

topsecretk9

Well In reading, and lurk,vern,cross, RICK and a bunch more, have much better handle

but IMHO, CIA, or certain parts of CIA, didn't and don't like the way it moved, and do not like DOD

The way I've read, CIA THINKS they are sovereign nation, and certain members of the CIA would like their own UN Ambassador.

Rouges. And Plame was political, she manipulated her position to help the groups she believed in.

I will probably get more hate mail for this, but Plame USED her position and contacts to HELP a political party, She prolly used that front company for a long, long time.

Imagine a US front CO that dispersed assets to ASSETS- and that asset was supposed to use that money to donate to campaigns?

Could happen and did, and was WAY over looked.


JAYSUS...Soros is the fucking Don. He is the fucking godfather.

topsecretk9

Oops, when I read Clairice's email she said "GROWN up list"...obvious mis-catch on my part...because I was unaware there WERE gown-up's at these organizations!

clarice

Ms Hill wrote and said her husband must have been using her email again. She said she hates all this partisan stuff and wishes we had leaders who cared about all the poeple.

I told her I thought we had such leaders. It's just that they understand that kindness to the wolf is cruelty to the lamb.

(This high mindedness from a woman whose husband was mass mailing a slanderous piece of crap from Vanity Fair, mind you.)

clarice

Ms Hill and I have had some correspondence which leads me to believe she may not be the Jan Hill with the BBC..Will check further.

Bob

The Boston Globe this morning http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/07/30/grand_jury_probes_data_leaks_subpoenas_ex_nsa_officer/>Grand jury probes data leaks, subpoenas ex-NSA officer

"Tice said in an interview that he viewed the subpoena as an attempt at intimidation by the government. ``This is the king saying, `How dare anyone challenge my authority and say that I'm a crook or a criminal?' " he said."

Looks like Tice really thinks he's a hero!

Bob

Good http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2006/07/30/#a003725>Day by Day

Dwilkers

Great thread guys.

Best Post, TSK9 at 3:58pm. Interesting theory.

Best one liner goes to Rick:

Larry the Dope thinks that speaking in acronymese lends authority to his impersonation of a sentient being.

Heh.

cathyf

Clarice -- did you look over that list? Some of them I recognize as letters-to-the-editor mailboxes. Peggy Noonan's email is at the bottom of every column.

Is this like the nutcase who drives by CBS studios every day and thinks he's a close personal friend of Walter Cronkite?

cathy :-)

clarice

Could be. My correspondence with her was wacky.

Ensla

Ensla brings alot to the party, but requires 80,000.

Mere mortals cannot have access to Ensla's sources.

Coherent paragraphs cost money.

Ensla's voices are not actually in her head, this is bad.

Background is there.

The movie is about the manufacture of 'humans.'

Alan Foley is an assassinated 'CIA' agent in the M.E. and her denial is much easier now.

windansea

teh stoopid is strong with this one

Chants

Last week, Japanese scientists placed explosive detonators at the bottom of Lake Loch Ness to blow Nessie out of the water. Sir Godfrey of the Nessie Alliance summoned the help of Scotland's local wizards to cast a protective spell over the lake and its local residents and all those who seek for the peaceful existence of our underwater ally.

PeterUK

Ensla - Anels,not even a good anagram.

topsecretk9

Lanes
Salen

Sara (The Squiggler)

I sure must have missed the secret code or something. I have read this entire thread with all the comments and I don't have a clue what you all are talking about. It is like trying to read a Greek play in Greek.

Tice I know about.
NSA I know about.
Grand Jury I know about.

Everything else ??????????????????????

Jane

I'm with you Sara. I keep thinking I need a nap or something.

verner

Have any of you seen this on the Qana bombing?

"Eshel and the head of the IDF's Operational Branch, Major General Gadi Eisnkot said the structure was not being attacked when it collapsed, at around 8:00 in the morning.

The IDF believes that Hizbullah explosives in the building were behind the explosion that caused the collapse.


Another possibility is that the rickety building remained standing for a few hours, but eventually collapsed. "It could be that inside the building, things that could eventually cause an explosion were being housed, things that we could not blow up in the attack, and maybe remained there, Brigadier General Eshel said."

Since things were going so badly for them, I wouldn't put it past Hezbollah to murder women and children to get their publicity stunt, and cease fire.

bela1

Sara,
You'll have to re-read this whole thread again. I haven't had a chuckle like this on a day to day basis anywhere else. Y'all are doing a remarkable job in getting the truth out! Not to offend anyone but the harline radical lefties are so, so stupid.

Keep up the good work everyone!

bela1

Whoops, I meant to write "hardline radical lefties". Sorry.

Looks like the DNC's Tom Hayden playbook on how to win enough hearts & minds has certainly backfired once again.

JM Hanes

Rick:

"I would prefer to have seen Section 798 which does not have the intent problem which arises with 793. Perhaps Tice will be nailed with 793 on the "or reason to believe" aspect and Sulzberg, Keller, Lichtblau and Risen with 798."

If leaking to the press is at issue, intent should not be difficult to establish. Indeed, Tice's ex post facto communication to Congress strongly suggests cognizance of wrongdoing. The provision which interests me the most, however, which 798 does not include, is 793(g):

If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy.

It's entirely possible that Tice is being called to testify about considerably more than his own activities. Like Larry Johnson, he strikes me as ranking pretty low on the food chain.

JM Hanes

Clarice:

"If Keller never told Pinch he was publishing something all the Congressional leaderss and the WH asked him not to because it would harm national security, why wasn't he fired?"

Becuse Pinch was probably the only player who didn't tell him not to publish?


Larwyn:

".....On the first flight, the plane was painted with the "UN" markings denoting Kazakstan registration, with no other identifiers."

We haven't been paying nearly enough attention to the Russians lately. I think this may be the tip of an iceberg of cold war style activity and operations -- with Russian paranoia back in style and Putin's old KGB crowd quite possibly back in the saddle again.

clarice

At should have a blog up shortly about one reader's efforts to find out anything about the Wilson defense fund.

Rick Ballard

JMH,

That's a very good point about 793(g). As Other Tom reiterated, the "and related statutes" language in the subpoena would encompass anything in Section 37 that pertains to the disclosure.

I just like to daydream about inclusion of the NYT corporation as a defendant with the outcome that it's masthead finally includes "A Division of the US Printing Office" somewhere at the top. Plain reading of 798 leaves a glimmer of that possibility.

If the NYT corp is named perhaps an enterprising stockholders rights group will go after the board for malfeasance. That would be an excellent outcome as well. The stock has now marched resolutely back to prices unseen since 1997. Junior Sulzberger has cost stockholders $4.3 billion since 2002. Give the boy a hand!

Neo

Over at Secrecy News, a post on the AIPAC leaks case where the judge say fit that "Recipients of "Leaks" May Be Prosecuted, Court Rules".

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