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July 25, 2006

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clarice

Shrewder folks (like me and the Pew Foundation) simply get scholars or sponsors of the Act to write law review articles after the fact on what the sponsors attended and cite them to the Court.

(Making history.)

clarice

**INtended***sorry

Freaknik

Good of Ponnuru to drag this back up.

Everybody puts statements in to the record ex post facto. True. Not everyone invents dialogue to spin a ghost debate out of whole cloth.

Kyl's written statement "reads": "I would like to say a few words..." What a faker.

"U.S. Senate historian Richard Baker told The Washington Post that the actions were unprecedented."

Rick Ballard

Perhaps Stevens could have his clerks hanged pour encourager les autres? Or at least strongly consider whether it would be wise to spend more time with his family.

The Greatest Deliberative Body on Earth in ring one and The Supreme Court of the United States of America in ring two with Bozo Bignose and the Congressional Clown Corps in ring three.

It would be hilarious except for the fact that this is how law is made and interpreted.

clarice

Yes, it is. More and more so every day. Which is why a Judge is wise to stick to the language of the Statute and the usual and normal meanings of its words.

azredneck

If the historian really said this was 'unprecedented', he hasn't bothered to watch the daily antics on CSpan! As much as I hate the phoniness, it happens every day. Durbin and Kennedy love to playact, as do others. It's rare for Kyl to do so.

Other Tom

I note that "Comments are closed" at Firedoglake. The moonbats were clamoring for Fitz to intervene--he's still their savior!

Rick Ballard

AZ,

I doubt that it was Kyl's idea. Graham cut a deal with Levin (and got rolled - Levin can roll just about any Rep, he's almost as good as Mitchell was). In order to make the deal work he needed a straight man - Kyl agreed. I hope that Kyl got the Choirboy's promise in writing. If he didn't, he will next time.

PeterUK

So the Hamdan ruling which is alleged to have sunk the legality of theAdministrations NSA surveillance program (see Specter law studen thread) is based on false premises? Someone better tell Anon Lib that his rule of law is a North Korean $100 bill.
Really wonderful this judicial oversight business.

Patrick R. Sullivan

Ah, our friend pgl at Angry Bear is humiliated again:

http://angrybear.blogspot.com/2006/07/hamdan-john-dean-on-detainee-treatment.html

And Scalia has the last laugh:

'Worst of all is the Court's reliance on the legislative history of the DTA to buttress its implausible reading of [it]. We have repeatedly held that such reliance is impermissible where, as here, the statutory language is unambiguous. But the Court nevertheless relies both on floor statements from the Senate and (quite heavily) on the drafting history of the DTA. ...The Court urges that some "statements made by Senators preceding passage of the Act lend further support to" the Court's interpretation....

'The Court immediately goes on to discount numerous floor statements by the DTA's sponsors that flatly contradict its view, because "those statements appear to have been inserted into the Congressional Record AFTER the Senate debate"....Of Course this observation, even if true, makes no difference unless one indulges the fantasy that Senate floor speeches are attended (like the Philippics of Demosthenes) by throngs of eager listerers, instead being delivered (like Demosthenes' practice sessions on the beach) alone into a vast emptiness. Whether the floor statements are spoken where no Senator hears, or written where no Senator reads, they represent at most the views of a single Senator. In any event the Court greatly exaggerates the one-sidedness....'

Tom Maguire

Not everyone invents dialogue to spin a ghost debate out of whole cloth.

Well, the opinion 9footnote 10) says this:

...those [Kyl/Graham] statements appear to have been inserted into the Congressional Record after the Senate debate...

All statements made during the debate itself support Senator Levin’s understanding ...

Did the Senate historian think it was crystal-clar that the other statements were inserted afterwards? Wy did Stevens not note that, then?

And why did Ramesh write this?

They [I bet he means the defendant's brief] even quote Senator Harry Reid’s remarks agreeing with Levin to support the claim that “[e]vidence of reliance on Senator Levin’s statement was immediate.” But Reid’s statement, too, was inserted into the record after the debate. It does not appear on the videotape.

Hard to be sure who was fooling whom, but I think the truly diligent ought to check the cites in the record and see what looks staged and what looks like an obvious ex post statement.

danking70

Man, what a joke. I wonder if Stevens got his ideas from some International Court.

owl

Graham cut a deal with Levin (and got rolled - Levin can roll just about any Rep,

Twinkle-eyes should watch Big-boy.

Freaknik

You need to read Dean's article if you want teh scoop. I don't think Ponnuru refutes Dean at all. The real travesty is the interplay between the brief and these insertions into the record.

Dean says a subsequent court even refused to let the Kyl-Graham even be filed.

David Cohen

Legislative history is inherently corrupt. Here is Justice Scalia concurring in US v. Taylor, 407 US 326, at 343 (1988). Note how Mr. Denis equates an amendment approved by a vote of both houses and signed, as part of the entire law, by the president, to some legislative history that they make up as they go along.

I join the opinion of the Court except Part II-A, which is largely devoted to establishing, through the floor debate in the House, (1) that prejudice to the defendant is one of the factors that the phrase "among others" in 3162(a)(2) refers to, and (2) that that factor is not necessarily determinative. Both these points seem to me so utterly clear from the text of the legislation that there is no justification for resort to the legislative history. Assume that there was nothing in the legislative history except statements that, unless the defendant had been harmed by the delay, dismissal with prejudice could not be granted. Would we permit that to govern, even though the text of the provision does not consider that factor dominant enough to be mentioned specifically, but just includes it within the phrase "among othe[r] [factors]," or perhaps within the phrase "facts and circumstances of the case which led to the dismissal"? Or assume the opposite, that there was nothing in the legislative history except statements that harm to the defendant could not be considered at all. Would we permit that to govern, even though impairment of the accused's defense is so obviously one of the "other factors" highly relevant to whether the Government should be permitted to reinstitute the prosecution?

I think the answer to both these questions is obviously no. The text is so unambiguous on these points that it must be assumed that what the Members of the House and the Senators thought they were voting for, and what the President thought he was approving when he signed the bill, was what the text plainly said, rather than what a few Representatives, or even a Committee Report, said it said. Where we are not prepared to be governed by what the legislative history says - to take, as it were, the bad with the good - we should not look to the legislative history at all. This text is eminently clear, and we should leave it at that.

It should not be thought that, simply because adverting to the legislative history produces the same result we would reach anyway, no harm is done. By perpetuating the view that legislative history can alter the meaning of even a clear statutory provision, we produce a legal culture in which the following statement could be made - taken from a portion of the floor debate alluded to in the Court's opinion:

"Mr. DENNIS. . . "I have an amendment here in my hand which could be offered, but if we can make up some legislative history which would do the same thing, I am willing to do it." 120 Cong. Rec. 41795 (1974).

We should not make the equivalency between making legislative history and making an amendment so plausible. It should not be possible, or at least should not be easy, to be sure of obtaining a particular result in this Court without making that result apparent on the face of the bill which both Houses consider and vote upon, which the President approves, and which, if it becomes law, the people must obey. I think we have an obligation to conduct our exegesis in a fashion which fosters that democratic process.

Rick Ballard

Owl,

Levin nailed Coleman on the Galloway fiasco too. Graham might consider spending some time with Mitch McConnell rather than chatting up McCain about whose ego more completely fills the Grand Canyon.

Dwarf stars.

Other Tom

Well--was the procedure followed by Durbin, et al. the same as that of Kyl and Graham, or wasn't it?

Katherine

Durbin et. al inserted their comments the same way, but they DID NOT FILE A BRIEF DELIBERATELY ATTEMPTING TO MISLEAD THE COURT by suggesting otherwise. That's the difference, and that's what's dishonest about Graham & Kyl.

As far as I can tell, Levin's statements were live. Ponnuru should check ALL the tapes next time.

JM Hanes

Katherine:

"Durbin et. al inserted their comments the same way, but they DID NOT FILE A BRIEF DELIBERATELY ATTEMPTING TO MISLEAD THE COURT by suggesting otherwise. That's the difference, and that's what's dishonest about Graham & Kyl."

According to Ponnuru, however, Hamden's layers did:

Two briefs to the Supreme Court from Hamdan’s lawyers appear to have been the source of Stevens’s misinformation. (Stevens cites one of the briefs in the footnote.) The lawyers tell an elaborate version of this false tale. They take Levin’s statements to have occurred in real time. They even quote Senator Harry Reid’s remarks agreeing with Levin to support the claim that “[e]vidence of reliance on Senator Levin’s statement was immediate.” But Reid’s statement, too, was inserted into the record after the debate. It does not appear on the videotape.

Ponnuru explicitly states that "None of the statements [Stevens] cites — on either side of the issue — was made during floor debate in the Senate." [author's emphasis] How many videos of the same event are you suggesting he should have watched?

It's significant that the Kyl/Graham insertions were made prior to the vote, not ex post facto. It's true that Durbin & Levin did not file any briefs themselves. On the other hand, what Kyl & Graham were explaining was the Kyl/Graham amendment!

davod

The written record is the official record. Is the wording of insertions based upon a proforma designed to fit it into the records format?

Wonderland

JM Hanes writes:

"Ponnuru explicitly states that "None of the statements [Stevens] cites — on either side of the issue — was made during floor debate in the Senate." [author's emphasis] How many videos of the same event are you suggesting he should have watched?"

Ponnuru is explicitly wrong. Look at fn 10, quoted above by Tom. In support of his conclusion that the legislative history supported the majority's construction, Stevens cited floor debate from Nov. 10, Nov. 14, and Nov. 15 (in addition to the alleged post facto insertions from Dec. 21). There is no suggestion that these November citations were to anything but live debate that occurred beforehand. So Ponnuru was either careless in stating otherwise, or attempting to mislead. You decide.

Also JM's statement -- "On the other hand, what Kyl & Graham were explaining was the Kyl/Graham amendment!" -- is incorrect.

Think of it this way. In the original Graham/Kyl bill, the provision said X. In mid November, Levin proposed to amend the bill so that the provision said Y. Levin won the argument, and the bill was adopted with Levin's language, Y. After the debate was over (whether it was before final passage or not is not clear), Graham and Kyl submitted a concocted colloquy suggesting that Y actually meant X. Then they filed a brief with the Supreme Court stating that Y meant X, and supported their argument by pointing to their concocted colloquy that Y meant X.

If this is not dishonest, it's hard to say what is.

Rick Ballard

"There is no suggestion that these November citations were to anything but live debate that occurred beforehand."

Unless you've watched the complete debate on those dates (Nov. 10, 14 an 15) your assertion has no more value than Ponnuru's. Steven's citation being incorrect is the basis of Ponnuru's argument.

I agree with you about Graham's amicus brief. Hopefully he will learn how to draft legislation prior to putting both feet in his oh so purdy mouth in the future and hopefully Kyl has learned to stay away from an amateur in thrall to his ego.

Wonderland

Rick:

Unless you are saying that Levin surreptitiously and retroactively (i.e., on or after Dec. 21) placed statements in the record for Nov. 10, 14, and 15 -- and Ponnuru, if you read his article closely, does not allege that he did -- then the point remains. Stevens unequivocally cited to Levin's pre-Dec. 21 statements that the adopted provision (using my analogy above) meant Y. Thus, Ponnuru's base claim that Stevens was hoodwinked by the Plaintiff's brief is completely incorrect. The mere fact that some Democrats also inserted post facto "legislative history" does nothing to undermine the validity of the court's construction. Ponnuru's argument that it does it without merit, and is simply a cheap attempt to cast doubt on what amounted to a serious judicial defeat for the administration.

Rick Ballard

Wonderland,

What I'm saying is that the citation of "floor debate from Nov. 10, Nov. 14, and Nov. 15" has about the same weight as a discussion by the amendment's authors in relation to "legislative history".

Steven's clerks did a pick and choose to fit the decision they wanted and their selection has the same legitimacy in my eyes as Graham's lame attempt to rectify his poor drafting (or thoughtless compromise - you pick) of the amendment.

I'd score the decision as a win for Levin through his very superior ability to manipulate a freshman of now proven incompetence.

It's definitely a judicial defeat for the administration but the cause of the defeat is legislative incompetence.

Other Tom

"...a serious judicial defeat for the administration."

A judicial (and political) defeat, no doubt. But in assessing how serious it is, it's important to keep one's eye on the ball. The prisoners remain at Gitmo; they can be held there indefinitely; they can ultimately be tried my military tribunal.

Wonderland

Rick:

"What I'm saying is that the citation of "floor debate from Nov. 10, Nov. 14, and Nov. 15" has about the same weight as a discussion by the amendment's authors in relation to "legislative history".

Steven's clerks did a pick and choose to fit the decision they wanted and their selection has the same legitimacy in my eyes as Graham's lame attempt to rectify his poor drafting (or thoughtless compromise - you pick) of the amendment."

What I'm saying is that this is incorrect, as was amply illustrated (if I do say so myself) by the X and Y analogy in my 8:19 a.m. post. Levin's contemporaneous statements of what his amendment meant, and the subsequent adoption of that amendment prior to passage of the bill, unequivocally establish that Congress did not intend to divest the court of jurisdiction to hear Hamdan. That's the point.

Lurker

But Congress never did owe up to its responsibility in defining the process to try the Gitmo prisioners, which was Rick Ballard's point.

I faintly remember somebody approaching Bush in working with Congress in defining the process to try them and didn't Bush reject the request? Can anyone clarify this?

Anyways, one question is whether Congress can come up with the process to try them today? I don't have much hope for this Congress to produce a product.

Wonderland

Other Tom: "The prisoners remain at Gitmo; they can be held there indefinitely; they can ultimately be tried my military tribunal."

All true, but it importantly reaffirmed the concept that Congress gets to make the rules within which the President can operate, even during times of war -- a position 180 degrees from that of the powerful Cheney/Addington/Yoo wing of the adminstration. Since this is the major Constitutional debate of our time, and the Supremes weighed in so unequivocally in favor of one side (it seems not even the dissent bought the administration's Article II arguments) -- it was a major blow to the forces of Presidential primacy.

Other Tom

I agree, Wonderland--but don't forget the Supreme Court's 2004 Hamdi decision, which remains good law with respect to the scope of the AUMF. The Court there held that the AUMF granted the president the authority to detain American citizens indefinitely (Breyer and Kennedy concurring). It remains a very convenient out for them to avoid reaching the cnstitutional question should the NSA program in its current form be presented to them (which seems unlikely).

cathyf
but it importantly reaffirmed the concept that Congress gets to make the rules within which the President can operate, even during times of war -- a position 180 degrees from that of the powerful Cheney/Addington/Yoo wing of the adminstration.
Not really. The constitution specifically says that Congress has the right to specify the procedures for tribunals used to try pirates and those guilty of crimes against the laws of war. The "Cheney/Addington/Yoo wing of the adminstration" is arguing about powers not explicitly assigned.

The disturbing thing is that Congress can't seem to actually exercise that authority by writing, debating and passing a bill that does what the constitution says they should be doing. I suppose it's not really a crisis, though -- the war criminals of gitmo can simply stay there until they die of old age while the Congress dithers.

cathy :-)

Lurker

Didn't Lindsey Graham vehemently object to anything but court trials in spite of his military lawyerly background?

Lurker

"The disturbing thing is that Congress can't seem to actually exercise that authority by writing, debating and passing a bill that does what the constitution says they should be doing. I suppose it's not really a crisis, though -- the war criminals of gitmo can simply stay there until they die of old age while the Congress dithers."

The Democrats spent most of their time attacking Bush and the Republicans that they failed their responsibility in addressing this issue. Same with the Patriot Act. Same with the immigration issue. Social Security reform. Estate tax repeal. And So on.

All they cared about is the vote to extend their terms one more time.

This is probably why Bush took the initiative in setting up the military tribunals. What I don't understand is SCOTUS's conclusion that there were lack of evidence showing that the military tribunals would adhere to the UCMJ rules.

JM Hanes

Wonderland:

You mistakenly pose an either/or when the reality is both/and. Levin did not propose an "amendment" to an original Graham/Kyl "bill," nor did the Senate substitute a Levin amendment for a Graham amendment. The language in the compromise amendment was forged by, and approved by, both Levin and Graham.

Flawed analogies aside, however, Scalia is persuasive on the utility of legislative history, not to mention his observation on congressional "debate." Thanks to, if not due to, C-span, we know that essentially all such legislative colloquy on the floor is fictional. Most of our hardworking respresentatives don't attend those sessions or watch the video entirely either, but read the Record themselves (which is why the pre-vote timing of Kyl/Graham's addendum would be relevant). "Debate" is a euphemism for press releases designed for public, and as this case reveals, judicial consumption.

If nothing else, routine use and flagrant abuse of the Congressional Record put Presidential signing statements to shame -- and throw current congressional "outrage" over such executive practices into a deeply ironic light.

cathyf

Actually, the executive branch is constantly usurping the authority of congress. Congress passes vague laws, and then the bureaucrats in the EPA or the IRS or the Dept of Ed get to decide, on their own with very little input, just what the rules on the ground are going to be.

I guess I don't see why it should suddenly be a problem now? If the congress has to propose, debate and pass a law with the procedures for war criminal trials, can we next make them propose, debate and pass a law setting the allowed radium levels in drinking water? It's too late to save my town from bankruptcy, but maybe somewhere else...

cathy :-)

Wonderland

cathy:

"Actually, the executive branch is constantly usurping the authority of congress. Congress passes vague laws, and then the bureaucrats in the EPA or the IRS or the Dept of Ed get to decide, on their own with very little input, just what the rules on the ground are going to be."

Right, and when the Executive applies that law in a way that a citizen or state finds objectionable, the dispute is resolved by a court. That's how the system's supposed to work. Yet, the administration has jumped through hoops, in virtually every instance, to avoid the very judicial review meant to resolve the ambiguous edges of the law. It wants the discretion to exercise discretion where there is Congressional ambuiguity (and, of course, where there is no ambiguity, like the McCain anti-torture bill) without any input from the courts when a controversy arises. And that's precisely not how it's supposed to work. In fact, that's a prescription for executive lawlessness, which is what many of us argue the US is experiencing right now.

So I would answer that is "why it [is] suddenly a problem now."

Other Tom

The turf war between and among the three branches has been going on since the founding. Nothing new here. At least two presidents (Jackson, Lincoln)have very pointedly ignored Supreme Court decisions altogether. It's democracy in action, with the three branches constantly seeking to push their envelopes, and variously succeeding and failing. As we Arabists like to say, the dog barks, but the caravan moves on.

Interested Conservative

And now we can all look forward to an ongoing media driven education into the legality, relevance, insidiousness, meaningfulness, (insert your chosen adjective here) of so-called "presidential signing statements"? That should be fun.

lurker

"It wants the discretion to exercise discretion where there is Congressional ambuiguity (and, of course, where there is no ambiguity, like the McCain anti-torture bill) without any input from the courts when a controversy arises."

It is my understanding that when Bush signed this bill, he added a statement that he reserves the right to bypass this bill when a situation arises. I don't have the exact wording here but I agree with Bush's "addendum" statement in case of an extreme terrorist.

Cathyf threw me off a bit in her last post. I now think she also referred to other government departments that govern themselves as part of the executive branch since she referred to a list of acronyms in her post.

But no matter, the struggle between the 3 branches have been in existence since the beginning of this country and not considered lawlessness or federal crimes committed or whatever. It is called "checks and balance" within REASON.

As for the president's "so-called" signing statements, the so-called magic number 750 do not refer to laws passed by Congress. I don't understand why the democrats and lefties are making a big deal out of this one.

Tim

The easy way to solve this mess is to actually record what was said.

But you can't rely on politicians to do that.

maryrose

All 3 branches of government are going to do what they deem necessary come what may. Meanwhile terrorists are in custody and aren't going anywhere/works for me.

ajacksonian

I really cannot comprehend this most poorly written of decisions by the Supremes... now, I had stupidly thought that by *not* signing up to the 1977 GC involving terrorists that actually meant that the Executive and Legislative realized that this was not only bad policy, but something they could not do as their Foreign powers are limited to Nation States, not non-State actors. Indeed, if the GC actually *does* cover terrorists in the pre-1977 meeting, then why actually hold the meeting? And I *still* have no idea how the Supremes get off trying to incorporate anything from the GC in, save as reference point to the UCMJ, which would have taken a whole sentence to actually say.

Yes, I have this very, very strange idea that the Framework of the GC, as signed up to by the Executive and ratified by the Legislative, addresses only those who are part of the Nation State concept. If that is, indeed true, and that the Republic is beholden only for what it has signed up for and not for something it has specifically *rejected*, then the only thing the GC can serve as is a quick reference to note the UCMJ is derived from it, but, due to the nature of the actors involved, not applicable to the detainees who are thus left with the UCMJ and any further rules or laws passed by Congress and signed off by the Executive. To rule otherwise is to actually *make* Foreign Policy absent the Executive and Legislative branches.

As far as that obviously incorrect reading goes from me, the only thing the 'international struggle' language of GC Common Article 3 can be responsive to are Civil Wars in which a breakaway part of a Nation is forming its own government, laws, raising a flag, and having an accountable military, which are all things *necessary* to be *within* the Framework of the GC itself. If you do not do those things you may be a civilian of a Nation that happens to get caught up in the conflict and thus have protection for that status. Taking up *arms*, however, then negates that protection if one does not put on a uniform and be held accountable to a State.

So, since that reading is obviously wrong, the Supremes should do us the great and good work of telling us exactly what these individuals are entitled to, now that they are making and ratifying Foreign Policy all on their lonesome... and that is even *before* I get to the great and splendiferous Congress that knows not how to even keep its word to protect the Nation.

I have, apparently, dropped into the low probability timeline in which the civilizations of Earth survive the Cuban Missile Crisis, but then find ornate ways of gutting their own Nations of any meaning.

Oh, well... back to the fun of watching Iran establish Launchpad 1 in the Nation that was Lebanon...

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Interested Conservative

Scott/Kenny - wassup with the Crazy Eddie impersonations?

politicaobscura

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm not word yet from Christy Hardin-Smith????????????

politicaobscura

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm no word yet from Christy Hardin-Smith????????????

Slartibartfast

I'm wondering if the tactic of annoying prospective customers does more to increase sales than decrease them. Kenny? Scotty?

cathyf

Slartibartfast, in order to answer that question you need to understand who it is who is the target of the ripoff in spam.

In this case, here's how it works... Kenny/Scotty, who is unemployed and desperate, opens up the paper and sees the ad for "Work From Home With Your Computer!!! Make $10K/mo!!!" He responds to the ad. They explain to him that the way that he makes the money is that he sets himself up as a self-employed "businessman" who contracts with the ACME Advertising Company, which "contracts with" his "business," on commission, to spam blog comments. For every sale that "siliconmobilephone@yahoo.com" generates, Kenny/Scotty gets a commission.

Ok, here's where the sucker gets fleeced: you can't be in business without having business expenses -- ya gotta spend money to make money, right? So Kenny/Scotty pays the ACME Advertising Company $129 for "sales materials" -- a listing of blogs, and instructions on how to comment on them. Of course he's going to be making $10K a month in "commissions" so the $129 is but a small price to pay...

So Kenny/Scotty comes to JOM, and spends hundreds of hours spamming other sites, and never sees a single sale. ACME pockets his $129 and fades away. Eventually Kenny/Scotty realizes that he's been ripped off.

With the spam that shows up in your email there is a similar dynamic. The people who are getting ripped off are the people who pay the spam "service bureau" outfits to send the mail out. Nobody responds to it, but the contract was "we send out X million emails, you pay us $Y for sending it" and since the mail was sent the money gets paid.

All of this is limited by the supply of suckers who really believe that they can make money this way. Or at least it's limited by the funds they have to lose to the con artists.

cathy :-)

Slartibartfast

Holy crap. I never knew there were people that stupid.

cathyf

Yeah, there is a particular sort of person who is particularly prone to getting ripped off this way. They are the people who think that they are big and tough and everybody else is stupid and naive and just deserve to be ripped off. They get so excited at the prospect of ripping off all us stupid sheep who read blog comments, or who have email addresses, that they never notice that they are the ones being ripped off.

Then there are the other type. What my mother-in-law calls the "poor souls." Everything that ever happens to them is terrible and they just make it worse. And they are constantly convinced that the reason that the scheme didn't "work" is that they just didn't work hard enough, or had terrible bad luck, and if only something completely outside of their control had been different, they would have been wildly successful.

I feel a brief tinge of pity for the "poor souls" every time I empty my spam mailbox...

cathy :-)

Wonderland

By the way, in case anyone is still interested in the Hamdan/Ponnuru/legislative history issue that was the subject of the original post, Emily Bazelon at Slate has a definitive takedown of Ponnuru here.

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HERE IS THE PRICE LIST.
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MODELS: PRICE:
NOKIA N93 ---US$250USD
NOKIA N92 ---US$230
NOKIA N90---$US180
NOKIA N80---$US170
NOKIA N70---$US$140
NOKIA 8800--US$150
NOKIA 2100-- US$50
NOKIA 3210-- US$15
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NOKIA 6310i-- US$100
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NOKIA 7250-- US$100
NOKIA 7650-- US$90
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SIDEKICK 3 ---US$200USD
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MOTOROLA V60i-- US$69
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Nextel i55sr.........US$65
Nextel i2000plus....... US$35
Nextel i58sr........... US$30
Nextel i530........US$35
Nextel i205......... US$20
Nextel i305....... US$25
Nextel i35s.........US$29
Nextel i88...........US$30
Nextel i90..... US$59
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Nextel i730-- US$85
Nextel i733-- US$95
Nextel i736-- US$105
Nextel i830-- US$115
Nextel i860-- US$125
Nextel i930-- US$130
Eten m500------us$220
SAMSUNG D500 ----US$180
SAMSUNG D600 ----US$200USD
So all these are all unlocked brand new phones sealed in an original company box also comes with complete accessceories like charger, battery, manaul, etc,and the phones support english and many more language ok also comes with 1year international warranty so for the shipping is within 2 to 3 days through fedex shipping company which cost just $40usd,

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Toshiba Satellite R15-S822 Laptop Computer---$720
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Sony VAIO GRT270 Laptop Computer------$1200
Sony VAIO GRT100 Laptop Computer------$1300
Sony VAIO PCG-GRX7001 Laptop Computer---$1100
Sony VAIO PCG-R505ESK SuperSlim Pro Notebook---$1200
Sony VAIO A130P Laptop Computer -------$1100
Sony VAIO VGN-B100B08 Laptop Computer Notebook---$1000
Sony PCG-K33 VAIO K33 - Mobile Pentium 4----$850
Sony Vaio PCG-V505EX Notebook PC (1.50-GHz Pentium---$900 etc.
SONY VAIO A217S-- 100GB-- 512MB RAM-- XP HOME-------------$500
SONY VAIO B1VP-- 40GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO--------------$430
SONY VAIO T370P/L-- 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP----------------$400
SONY VAIO A397XP-- 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP----------------$700
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP---------------$450
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP---------------$600
SONY VAIO FS295VP 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP---------------$550
SONY VAIO FS215Z 100GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP---------------$650
SONY VAIO A417M 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP-----------------$650
SONY VAIO B1VP-- 40GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO-------------$300
SONY VAIO T370P/L-- 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO----------$600
SONY VAIO LAPTOP-- VGN-A117S----------------------------------$600
SONY VAIO LAPTOP-- VGN-S1XP------------------------------------$800
ALPHASMART DANA PALM POWERED LAPTOP------------------------$330
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 15 INCH DISPLAY--$700
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.0GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER-------------$700
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 17 INCH DISPLAY--$600
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.5GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER---------$250
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- P20-102--------------------------$500
APPLE 5GHZ SUPERDRIVE DESKTOP COMPUTER WITH 20 INCH MONITOR-$4500
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- P10-803-----------------------------$500
ALPHASMART DANA PALM POWERED LAPTOP------------------------$350
ALPHASMART DANA PALM POWERED LAPTOP PACK WIFI VERSION-$400
OQO MODEL 01 ULTRA PERSONAL COMPUTER (XP PRO)--------------$450
TOSHIBA SATELLITE PRO A60 40GB-- C2.8GHZ-- 15INCH-- DVD/CDR$450
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ (BLACK)----$550
FUJITSU SIEMENS LIFEBOOK P7010 60GB-- P4 1.1GHZ-- 10.6INCH-- DVD/CDRW
$600
Sony Grand WEGA KDFE42A10 42 in LCD Rear-Projection TV ........... $400
Sony Grand WEGA SXRD KDS-R60XBR1 60 in Rear-Projection LCoS TV.....$600
Sony Grand WEGA SXRD KDS-R50XBR1 50 in Rear-Projection LCoS TV ... $450
Sony Wega KDF-E50A10 50 in LCD Rear-Projection TV............. $450
Sharp Aquos LC-32DA5U 32 in Flat Panel LCD TV ............ $350
Sony Wega KDL-V40XBR1 40 in Flat Panel LCD TV ........... $400
Sony Wega KD-36FS130 36 in Flat Screen TV ............... $400
Samsung HL-R5067W 50 in Rear-Projection DLP TV ......... $450
Panasonic TH-50PHD8UK 50 in Flat Panel Plasma TV.............. $500
Samsung HL-R5667W 56 in Rear-Projection DLP TV .............$500
Samsung HL-R4266W 42 in Rear-Projection DLP TV ............ $450
Samsung LN-R408D 40 in Flat Panel LCD TV ............. $400
Samsung HP-R4252 42 in Flat Panel Plasma TV .............. $450
Magnavox 15MF605T 15 in Flat Panel LCD TV ............... $300
Panasonic TH-42PWD8UK 42 in Flat Panel Plasma TV ............ $350
Sony BRAVIA XBR KDL-V32XBR1 32 in Flat Panel LCD TV ...... $350
Sony Grand WEGA KDF-E55A20 55 in LCD Rear-Projection TV ......... $500
Sharp Aquos LC-37D7U 37 in Flat Panel LCD TV .......... $450
Pioneer PureVision PDP-5060HD 50 in Flat Panel Plasma TV ....... $500
Samsung LN-R268W 26 in Flat Panel LCD TV ................ $300
Sony BRAVIA XBR KDL-V32XBR1 32 in Flat Panel LCD TV ......... $350
Sony Grand WEGA KDF-E55A20 55 in LCD Rear-Projection TV .......... $550
Sharp Aquos LC-37D7U 37 in Flat Panel LCD TV ........... $400
Samsung LN-R268W 26 in Flat Panel LCD TV ........ $350
Sony Grand WEGA KDF-E60A20 60 in Rear-Projection LCD TV ...... $600
Samsung HL-R4667W 46 in Rear-Projection DLP TV........ $400
Sony Wega KLV-S32A10 32 in Flat Panel LCD TV ......... $300
Sony BRAVIA KLV-S26A10 26 in Flat Panel LCD TV ........... $300
Sharp Aquos LC-26DA5U 26 in' LCD TV............ $300
Panasonic TH-42PHD8UK 42 in Flat Panel Plasma TV......... $400
Samsung HLR5078W 50 in Rear-Projection DLP TV ............ $500
Sharp Aquos LC-45GD7U 45 in Flat Panel LCD TV .............. $450
Sharp Aquos LC-20S4U 20 in Flat Panel LCD TV ............... $250
Panasonic Onyx TH50PX500U 50 in Flat Panel Plasma TV ........ $500
Sharp Aquos LC45GD4U 45 in Flat Panel LCD TV ............... $350
Samsung SlimFit TX-R3079WH 30 in Flat CRT TV ........... $350
Samsung HL-R5688W 56 in Rear-Projection DLP TV ........... $550
Sharp Aquos LC-45GX6U 45 in Flat Panel LCD TV ........... $500
PLEASE CONTACT SALES DIRECTOR, HEAD OFFICE
John williams
SALES DIRECTOR.
Tel: +234-8052351101
Email: mobileflex222@yahoo.com

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We are the leading exporter&factory for mobile phone and accessories such as battery, charger, keypad, housing,datacable,LCD in Shenzhen and Hong Kong.Meantime we supply many other electronic products,such as Portable DVD,Car DVD,MP3,MP4,LCD TV,Plasma TV,CD ROM,DVD Writer,Windows XP,Office 2003 software,IP phone,USB Phone,bluetooth earphone,bluetooth USB dongle,etc.
HERE IS THE PRICE LIST.
Brand Model Unit Prices
MODELS: PRICE:
NOKIA N93 ---US$250USD
NOKIA N92 ---US$230
NOKIA N90---$US180
NOKIA N80---$US170
NOKIA N70---$US$140
NOKIA 8800--US$150
NOKIA 2100-- US$50
NOKIA 3210-- US$15
NOKIA 3310-- US$20
NOKIA 3330-- US$45
NOKIA 3410-- US$20
NOKIA 3510-- US$30
NOKIA 3510i-- US$35
NOKIA 3530-- US$60
NOKIA 3200--US$45
NOKIA 3595--US$50
NOKIA 3620--US$55
NOKIA 5100-- US$60
NOKIA 5210-- US$70
NOKIA 5510-- US$70
NOKIA 6090-- US$90
NOKIA 6100-- US$75
NOKIA 6210-- US$80
NOKIA 6250-- US$100
NOKIA 6510-- US$80
NOKIA 6310-- US$100
NOKIA 6310i-- US$100
NOKIA 6610-- US$80
NOKIA 6800-- US$90
NOKIA 7110-- US$95
NOKIA 7210 Turquoise-- US$95
NOKIA 7250-- US$100
NOKIA 7650-- US$90
NOKIA 8310-- US$55
NOKIA 8910 TITANIUM-- US$110
SIDEKICK 2----US$120
SIDEKICK 3 ---US$200USD
SONY ERICSSON P800--US$135
SONY ERICSSON T20s-- US$50
SONY ERICSSON T28s-- US$50
SONY ERICSSON T28 World-- US$60
SONY ERICSSON T29s-- US$70
SONY ERICSSON T600-- US$70
SONY ERICSSON P900--US$155
SONY ERICSSON Z100--US$250:00USD
SONY ERICSSON P910i--US$190:00USD
SONY ERICSSON Z500--$140:00USD
MOTOROLA RAZOR V3-- US $150
MOTOROLA RAZOR V3X-- US$155
MOTOROLA MPX 300-- US$160
MOTOROLA MPX 220 ---US$140
MOTOROLA T250--us$20
MOTOROLA p7389--us$20
MOTOROLA T2288--us$35
MOTOROLA Talkabout 191-- US$19
MOTOROLA C330-- US$49
MOTOROLA V66-- US$59
MOTOROLA v66i-- US$59
MOTOROLA TALKABOUT192-- US$49
MOTOROLA V51-- US$69
MOTOROLA V50-- US$69
MOTOROLA V70-- US$69
MOTOROLA V60-- US$69
MOTOROLA V60i-- US$69
TREO 650 --US$130
Nextel i55sr.........US$65
Nextel i2000plus....... US$35
Nextel i58sr........... US$30
Nextel i530........US$35
Nextel i205......... US$20
Nextel i305....... US$25
Nextel i35s.........US$29
Nextel i88...........US$30
Nextel i90..... US$59
Nextel i95cl.......... US$70
Nextel i60c-- US$40
Nextel 6510TM...... US$110
Nextel i730-- US$85
Nextel i733-- US$95
Nextel i736-- US$105
Nextel i830-- US$115
Nextel i860-- US$125
Nextel i930-- US$130
Eten m500------us$220
SAMSUNG D500 ----US$180
SAMSUNG D600 ----US$200USD
So all these are all unlocked brand new phones sealed in an original company box also comes with complete accessceories like charger, battery, manaul, etc,and the phones support english and many more language ok also comes with 1year international warranty so for the shipping is within 2 to 3 days through fedex shipping company which cost just $40usd,

IPODS
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9802LL/A'''''us$65usd
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9804LL/A'''''us$65usd
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Green M9806LL/A'''''us$65usd
Apple 6 GB iPod Mini Blue M9803LL/A''''''us$70usd
Apple 6 GB iPod Mini Silver M9801LL/A'''us$70usd
Apple 20 GB iPod M9282LL/A'''us$70usd
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A'''''us$50usd
Apple 40 GB iPod photo'''us$50usd
Apple 4 GB ipod nano'''''''''''us$70usd
Apple 2 GB ipod nano'''''''us$62usd
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''us$50usd
Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''us$90usd
Apple 60 GB iPod photo'''''''us$50usd
Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A'''''''us$75usd
Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player
M9724LL/A'''''''''''''''''''''''us$56.00
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue
M9436LL/A''''''''us$49.00
Apple 20 GB iPod U2 Special
Edition'''''''us$73.00
Apple 6 GB iPod Mini Green
M9807LL/A''''''''us$64.00
NEW apple 60 GB video ipod''''''''us$140.00
NEW apple 30 GB video ipod'''''''''''''''''us$120.00

We have all brand and models of all kind of Laptops for sell Made in Finland, Japan and Hungary. View the list prices.
Toshiba Satellite A75-S229 Laptop Computer---$380
Toshiba Satellite M45-S311 Laptop Computer---$470
Toshiba Satellite R15-S822 Laptop Computer---$720
Toshiba Qosmio G15-AV501 Laptop Computer---$1300
Toshiba Satellite A65-S126 Laptop Computer---$400
Toshiba Satellite P25-S526 Laptop Computer---$1000
Toshiba Satellite A45-S120 Laptop Computer---$400
Toshiba Satellite M35X-S149 Laptop Computer---$500
Toshiba Qosmio E15-AV101 Laptop Computer---$1100
Toshiba Satellite P35-S609 Laptop Computer---$1200
Toshiba Qosmio F15-AV201 Laptop Computer----$950
Toshiba Portege M200 Laptop Computer------$650
Dell Pentium III 750Mhz Latitude C610-----$400
Latitude C600 Model PP01L Laptop -----$350
Dell Inspiron 1150 Laptop Computer---$1150
Dell Inspiron 1000 Laptop -Intel 2.2GHz---$350
Dell Inspiron 6000 Laptop Computer----$650
Dell Axim X50v PocketPC PDA Handheld computer----$350
Dell Optiplex GX150 SD P3 1GHz 256MB 20GB 17" NEC LCD------$350
Sony VAIO A170 Laptop Computer-----$1300
Sony VAIO GRT250 Laptop Computer----$1000
Sony VAIO V505DC1 Laptop Computer----$1100
Sony VAIO GRT270 Laptop Computer------$1200
Sony VAIO GRT100 Laptop Computer------$1300
Sony VAIO PCG-GRX7001 Laptop Computer---$1100
Sony VAIO PCG-R505ESK SuperSlim Pro Notebook---$1200
Sony VAIO A130P Laptop Computer -------$1100
Sony VAIO VGN-B100B08 Laptop Computer Notebook---$1000
Sony PCG-K33 VAIO K33 - Mobile Pentium 4----$850
Sony Vaio PCG-V505EX Notebook PC (1.50-GHz Pentium---$900 etc.
SONY VAIO A217S-- 100GB-- 512MB RAM-- XP HOME-------------$500
SONY VAIO B1VP-- 40GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO--------------$430
SONY VAIO T370P/L-- 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP----------------$400
SONY VAIO A397XP-- 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP----------------$700
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP---------------$450
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP---------------$600
SONY VAIO FS295VP 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP---------------$550
SONY VAIO FS215Z 100GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP---------------$650
SONY VAIO A417M 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP-----------------$650
SONY VAIO B1VP-- 40GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO-------------$300
SONY VAIO T370P/L-- 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO----------$600
SONY VAIO LAPTOP-- VGN-A117S----------------------------------$600
SONY VAIO LAPTOP-- VGN-S1XP------------------------------------$800
ALPHASMART DANA PALM POWERED LAPTOP------------------------$330
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 15 INCH DISPLAY--$700
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.0GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER-------------$700
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 17 INCH DISPLAY--$600
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.5GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER---------$250
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- P20-102--------------------------$500
APPLE 5GHZ SUPERDRIVE DESKTOP COMPUTER WITH 20 INCH MONITOR-$4500
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- P10-803-----------------------------$500
ALPHASMART DANA PALM POWERED LAPTOP------------------------$350
ALPHASMART DANA PALM POWERED LAPTOP PACK WIFI VERSION-$400
OQO MODEL 01 ULTRA PERSONAL COMPUTER (XP PRO)--------------$450
TOSHIBA SATELLITE PRO A60 40GB-- C2.8GHZ-- 15INCH-- DVD/CDR$450
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ (BLACK)----$550
FUJITSU SIEMENS LIFEBOOK P7010 60GB-- P4 1.1GHZ-- 10.6INCH-- DVD/CDRW
$600
Sony Grand WEGA KDFE42A10 42 in LCD Rear-Projection TV ........... $400
Sony Grand WEGA SXRD KDS-R60XBR1 60 in Rear-Projection LCoS TV.....$600
Sony Grand WEGA SXRD KDS-R50XBR1 50 in Rear-Projection LCoS TV ... $450
Sony Wega KDF-E50A10 50 in LCD Rear-Projection TV............. $450
Sharp Aquos LC-32DA5U 32 in Flat Panel LCD TV ............ $350
Sony Wega KDL-V40XBR1 40 in Flat Panel LCD TV ........... $400
Sony Wega KD-36FS130 36 in Flat Screen TV ............... $400
Samsung HL-R5067W 50 in Rear-Projection DLP TV ......... $450
Panasonic TH-50PHD8UK 50 in Flat Panel Plasma TV.............. $500
Samsung HL-R5667W 56 in Rear-Projection DLP TV .............$500
Samsung HL-R4266W 42 in Rear-Projection DLP TV ............ $450
Samsung LN-R408D 40 in Flat Panel LCD TV ............. $400
Samsung HP-R4252 42 in Flat Panel Plasma TV .............. $450
Magnavox 15MF605T 15 in Flat Panel LCD TV ............... $300
Panasonic TH-42PWD8UK 42 in Flat Panel Plasma TV ............ $350
Sony BRAVIA XBR KDL-V32XBR1 32 in Flat Panel LCD TV ...... $350
Sony Grand WEGA KDF-E55A20 55 in LCD Rear-Projection TV ......... $500
Sharp Aquos LC-37D7U 37 in Flat Panel LCD TV .......... $450
Pioneer PureVision PDP-5060HD 50 in Flat Panel Plasma TV ....... $500
Samsung LN-R268W 26 in Flat Panel LCD TV ................ $300
Sony BRAVIA XBR KDL-V32XBR1 32 in Flat Panel LCD TV ......... $350
Sony Grand WEGA KDF-E55A20 55 in LCD Rear-Projection TV .......... $550
Sharp Aquos LC-37D7U 37 in Flat Panel LCD TV ........... $400
Samsung LN-R268W 26 in Flat Panel LCD TV ........ $350
Sony Grand WEGA KDF-E60A20 60 in Rear-Projection LCD TV ...... $600
Samsung HL-R4667W 46 in Rear-Projection DLP TV........ $400
Sony Wega KLV-S32A10 32 in Flat Panel LCD TV ......... $300
Sony BRAVIA KLV-S26A10 26 in Flat Panel LCD TV ........... $300
Sharp Aquos LC-26DA5U 26 in' LCD TV............ $300
Panasonic TH-42PHD8UK 42 in Flat Panel Plasma TV......... $400
Samsung HLR5078W 50 in Rear-Projection DLP TV ............ $500
Sharp Aquos LC-45GD7U 45 in Flat Panel LCD TV .............. $450
Sharp Aquos LC-20S4U 20 in Flat Panel LCD TV ............... $250
Panasonic Onyx TH50PX500U 50 in Flat Panel Plasma TV ........ $500
Sharp Aquos LC45GD4U 45 in Flat Panel LCD TV ............... $350
Samsung SlimFit TX-R3079WH 30 in Flat CRT TV ........... $350
Samsung HL-R5688W 56 in Rear-Projection DLP TV ........... $550
Sharp Aquos LC-45GX6U 45 in Flat Panel LCD TV ........... $500
PLEASE CONTACT SALES DIRECTOR, HEAD OFFICE
John williams
SALES DIRECTOR.
Tel: +234-8052351101
Email: mobileflex222@yahoo.com

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