The European Parliament turned up the political heat on the SWIFT monitoring program on Thursday. From the IHT (or Times permalink):
BRUSSELS, July 6 — The European Parliament demanded Thursday that European institutions in Brussels and European governments disclose how much they knew about a secret American program to tap into international banking data.
In a resolution that reflected rising concern among Europeans about their countries' cooperation in the United States' effort to curb terrorism, the Parliament voted 302 to 219, with 22 abstentions, to demand that the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the European Union's 25 member states "explain fully the extent to which they were aware of the secret agreement" between Swift, an international banking consortium, and the United States government.
...While the European resolutions are not legally binding, they have "political teeth," said Friso Roscam Abbing, spokesman for the European Union's justice and security commissioner, Franco Frattini.
The resolutions, by the European Union's only directly elected organization, illustrated the broad differences that have opened up between Europeans and the Bush administration, as well as between Europeans and their own governments, over how best to confront terrorism.
...
The revelations about the Swift data transfers have brought accusations that Swift, which is based in Brussels, violated European data protection laws.
Privacy International, a human rights group in London, has filed complaints in at least 32 countries, including all 25 European Union nations. Belgium is also investigating what information was handed over and with what justification.
Swift says it complied with subpoenas from the American government and kept Belgium's central bank, its main supervisor, and the European Central Bank informed of its actions.
The EU Observer provides fragments of the legal background:
The European Commission has promised there will be no cover up on questions about US access to EU bank data via the Belgian SWIFT system, but warned its investigation could hinge on niceties of EU law.
"There is no question of a cover up, actually the opposite is the case," commission home affairs spokesman Friso Roscam-Abbing said on Thursday (6 July). "But we now have to wait for the Belgian authorities."
... Once the Belgian investigation is cleared up, the commission can begin to explore if Belgium also violated a 1995 EU data protection directive, two commission lawyers explained.
"It's a bit complicated," one of the experts said. It's like a car crash. You can't punish Belgium for a car crash but you can punish it for failing to implement EU road safety law - the second lawyer indicated.
The European Parliament the same day called for the European Central Bank to clarify how much it knew about the SWIFT-CIA links, while saying CIA snooping "could give rise to large-scale forms of economic and industrial espionage."
The European sensitivity apparently has a backstory:
The SWIFT case mirrors the 2000 ECHELON scandal, in which revelations by investigative reporter Duncan Campbell said the US exploited its security relations with the UK to eavesdrop on EU firms.
Mr Campbell showed that the US derailed a deal between EU aviation firm Airbus and Saudi Arabia using the ECHELON phone-snooping system, leading the EU in 2004 to invest €12 million in data encryption research under the so-called SECOQS project.
The Toronto Star also has coverage. Here they describe a nice bit of buck-passing:
In 2002, the U.S. told central bank governors from the Group of 10 countries — including Canada's David Dodge — that it planned to ask for information from SWIFT. The central banks said in a statement last month that they are responsible only for monitoring SWIFT as it affects financial stability.
Yup, looks like everybody knew about it.
Posted by: danking70 | July 07, 2006 at 10:54 PM
What is Bill Keller saying now?
Posted by: Other Tom | July 07, 2006 at 11:07 PM
I think he should be sentenced to ride the path trains twice a day every day at rush hour.
Posted by: clarice | July 07, 2006 at 11:16 PM
I say somebody get a rope and also supply puke buckets if we ever hear another politician talk about Kerry's good allies.
Posted by: owl | July 07, 2006 at 11:50 PM
Krugman has written something, but I'm not paying to read it.
Posted by: SunnyDay | July 08, 2006 at 12:19 AM
Early in American history it was known the europeans allied themselves against the fledging United States; only 13 Colonies, at the time. Benjamin Franklin played the French against the British. And, he did this when sea travel, across the Atlantic was not ideal.
Not to waste time, he'd do experiments of his own devising. While the french king was about to go to the guillotine. And, napoleon, coming to power, would end up selling us the Louisiana Purchase.
To top things off, the British bought off the indians, supplying them with rifles and ammo. And, the indians acted like savages against the American settlers. A lot of good this did them in the long run; however, because all it did was make the Americans very angry. And, ya know the mantra: "A good injun was a dead injun."
Those things don't happen overnight.
And, to expect that we're surrounded by friends; no envy in sight, is stoopid.
The press tried its hardest to give the elites the best advantages. And, now they're losing customers. Worse, the people who "go their way" can't read. So it's worthless to think of them as a "customer base." Besides, they're not the ones earning money; they don't work for welfare, instead. And, that means the MSM loses on every count. Because these days there's a sophistication out there, which really measures the "REACH" you get; or the "bang for your buck."
There's not much we can do about the spillage of secrets; except to notice that the CIA hired bimbos like plame. And, the FBI hired Mark Felt. You can probably guess that the buracracies aren't doing the best they can. Nor do they communicate all that well.
Because before the secrets spillage we're seeing going on; there were the boondoggles where computers were bought that malfunctioned, or "didn't talk to each other" as soon as they went operational.
Nope. We'll never live in a perfect world.
As to the terrorists, I'm guessing they thought they could win on the cheap. As they do in europe. Where there's no way to defend your property. And, the mistakes of Marx abound. Here? We never really caught their diseases. While, yes, we're familiar with the infections, just the same.
To win, ahead, you need functioning militaries. Not too many states have got them.
By the way, a long time ago, when Cassius Clay, also known as Mohammed Ali was in top form, he used to give boxing a sort'of poetry. And, what I still remember is "MOVE LIKE A BUTTERFLY, STING LIKE A BEE."
We can train to that! Especially because Donald Rumsfeld's gone and worked miracles at the Pentagon.
And, who knows? John Bolton may be scoring points at the UN; where, when he's finished, they won't be able to call any shots? They'll just have temper tantrums? Why not think that there are certain consequences to what the elites bought hook, line and sinker? Ya know, the Titanic's builders SWORE the ship wouldn't sink! They were so fully confident of their prowess, they eliminated some of the life boats. To stuff the ship full of more passengers.
That ship went down in 1912. Proving how long it's been that you shouldn't let your knickers go into knots because of the stuff you read in print.
The best secrets are still in place. And, some day the MSM will pay for their behaviors. Just like Dan RaTHer did.
Posted by: Carol Herman | July 08, 2006 at 01:02 AM
Here's a couple more guys who didn't know:
"Treasury pointed immediately to the capture of the terrorist known as 'Hambali.' Hambali, or Riduan Isamuddin, masterminded the 2002 Bali bombings that killed 202 innocent men and women. He has been in U.S. custody since his arrest in 2003 in Thailand, and the SWIFT program was 'a vital tool' leading to his capture. The program was crucial to the discovery and conviction of one Uzair Paracha last fall in Brooklyn on charges of providing material support to al Qaeda in Pakistan through money laundering.
"Those are merely the two most prominent examples. The program is said to be a primary source, if not the primary source, of the U.S. government's understanding of terrorism financing: Who funds it, how they do it, through whom they pass money, how much lead time precedes an attack and other critically useful antiterrorism facts. It provides 'a unique and powerful window into the operations of terrorist networks,' says Stuart Levey, Treasury Department undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence."
Posted by: Other Tom | July 08, 2006 at 01:15 AM
Carol:
Your rhetoric is reaching the drivel stage.
Posted by: carol | July 08, 2006 at 04:10 AM
PS:
Sorry got carried away with the name that never stops writing. The 1:10 am post should have been posted by Davod.
Posted by: davod | July 08, 2006 at 04:12 AM
As an aside:
Does the latest revelations about the NY-NJ tunnels mean the leakers are spreading their message to other MSM sources to divert attention from the NYT.
The effect is the same. The investigation was in progress and the FBI has had to move quickly to salvage what it can now the plot has been revealed.
There was no danger to the public by not revealing the program because they had got the principal.
Posted by: davod | July 08, 2006 at 04:15 AM
Right on cue,the predicted political shit storm,it wasn't who knew,it was who could not afford to be seen publicly to know.
It was inevitable that EU politicians would create a stink after the New York Times rubbed the issue in their faces.It is also obvious that Bill Keller should have forseen this,if he did and he published he is damned,if he didn't he should get out of political journalism for something more suitable like covering pony shows,where at least irate little girls can beat him to a pulp if he errs.
Posted by: PeterUK | July 08, 2006 at 07:56 AM
So...how will the next 9/11 Commission go? I imagine it'll be hard to fault Bush & Co. for not taking actions -- pre-emptive and otherwise -- to "connect the dots," etc., but assuming it'll be just as politicized as the last one, how will the anti-war left be able to withstand the glare of those of us who'll know they helped bring the next one about? After all, this disclosure business isn't really just politics, as various Administration witnesses will surely testify to. I guess they'll have to explain why they didn't take the gloves off on the domestic side, though.
Posted by: Extraneus | July 08, 2006 at 08:21 AM
One key statement Bill Keller made on Charlie Rose show:
"Bill Keller on Charlie Rose last night: "I can't know, nor can the administration know what the consequences are going to be."
Wha????
Check radioblogger for other key statements. Keller needed the NDA so he can see the details before making decisions!
Can't believe the statements both Keller and Rose made last night.
Posted by: lurker | July 08, 2006 at 08:52 AM
Anyone notice that US has offered bilateral talks with North Korea?
Hope US is smarter this time!
Posted by: lurker | July 08, 2006 at 08:59 AM
Well, Tom DeLay just might not retire after all...
well, pending fifth circuti appeal.
Tom is fully aware that the dems want to hone in on Tom's legal problems.
What legal problems? If Tom is "forced" run, then his campaign should hone in on runaway special prosecutors by shifting the attention to Ronnie Earle. Imagine Ronnie Earle getting in the middle of it!
Posted by: lurker | July 08, 2006 at 09:08 AM
It's a small world!!!
Loved Jay Tea's writeup.
Posted by: lurker | July 08, 2006 at 09:10 AM
It's a small world!!!
Loved Jay Tea's writeup.
Posted by: lurker | July 08, 2006 at 09:10 AM
Just read BK on Charlie Rose. I believe the story about EU had broken before that interview. They both just ignored it, said there had been no backwash from our allies. Sheesh.
Posted by: SunnyDay | July 08, 2006 at 10:48 AM
'Krugman has written something, but I'm not paying to read it.'
You don't have to (but the irony is delicious that Krugman would publish a column criticize the Bush Admin for 'playing the Treason card' on the same day the Daily News blows up an ongoing FBI investigation and allows 5 of 8 terrorist plotters to escape arrest) 'cause it's available for free. For instance at Mark Thoma's 'Economist's Vier':
And Krugman opens with a stunning bit of self-unawareness:
'The nature of the right-wing attack on The New York Times — an attack not on the newspaper's judgment, but on its motives ...'
Posted by: Patrick R. Sullivan | July 08, 2006 at 11:12 AM
The EU seems to be hellbent on self-destruction. I notice the Italians seem to be arresting their senior intelligence officials, the ones that helped protect them from terrorist attacks. This almost seems like some strange comedy, but it's sadly true.
The Death of the West or the Suicide of the West. Death by political correctness.
Posted by: Kate | July 08, 2006 at 11:24 AM
Thanks, Patrick!
Posted by: SunnyDay | July 08, 2006 at 11:33 AM
Ooooooooh the irony is delicious. :) Krugman is such a dipshit. 'scuse me.
Posted by: SunnyDay | July 08, 2006 at 11:36 AM
Bit off topic but compare and contrast:
Three suicides at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, may have been part of a broader plot by detainees who were using confidential lawyer-client papers and envelopes to pass handwritten notes their guards could not intercept, according to documents that government lawyers filed yesterday in federal court. Wash. Post 7/8
and
Justice Stevens in his recent Hamdan majority opinion:
Nothing in the record . . . demonstrates that it would be impracticable to apply court-martial rules to the prosecution of terror suspects.
Just swell.
SMG
Posted by: SteveMG | July 08, 2006 at 11:48 AM
Kate,
What do you expect EU politicians to do,there was tacit understanding over the SWIFT monitoring,then some leftoid on the make splashes it all over the New York Times,shoving it under their noses like an dirty old pair of socks.
Many of their constituents opposed the War in Iraq and the WoT,as did not a few of European partiesthese are elected MPs.
There are banking laws,privacy laws,data protection acts and the overarching European Convention on Human Rights,each one a legal thicket of huge proportions.Now Privacy International has the bit between its teeth,Noam Chomsky,Harold Pinter et al,this is going to be blown up into a first rank disaster.
Posted by: PeterUK | July 08, 2006 at 12:00 PM
EU wants to know if there were other countries operations officers there, aside from those like Plame.
CIA would have used the information and contacts for espionage as it always does; 'Plame' would have outed these and other countries powers just as she did in the US, Iraq, and Spain.
'We can train to do that;' Why, so a 'Plame' can turn on us?
Posted by: c550 | July 08, 2006 at 12:01 PM
PUK-I agree that our blabbermouth media has made it more likely that the Europeans would have to investigate this nonsense. However, the EU parliament consists of a bunch of nasty leftists who enjoy this business. It is self destructive. When given the choice between giving up some privacy or being blown to smithereens (sp?) by Islamic fanatics-the choice wouldn't even be close. I regret that the New York Times made the choice for me. I really think they expect to escape a terrorist attack because of their eliteness, they think it will just be the unwashed masses that get hit.
Posted by: Kate | July 08, 2006 at 12:29 PM
Kate,
A lot are leftists,but so are many in the US,many are not,nobody was bothered until Bill Keller started running off at the mouth,now there isn't a choice>
Worse the leaks from your intelligence officials have damaged relations with European intelligence services,many of these services were very efficient,despite what you might think.Moreover,they could do things which your laws might make difficult,the NSA comes to mind.
Now, nobody knows when some self appointed "whistleblower" will take it upon themselves to reveal information.Much of what goes on in the twilight world of intelligence is on,or over the bounds of conventional legallity,passed on with a nod and a wink.As the legal profession anf the MSM drags these issues into the light of day,so will cooperation decrease.
Perhaps that is what somebody wants.
Posted by: PeterUK | July 08, 2006 at 01:44 PM
Lots of people are speculating that the latest leak involving the Holland Tunnel was leaked to underscore that NY had its funding cut.
Bunch of mercenaries out there.
Posted by: Jane | July 08, 2006 at 03:01 PM
Can anyone who's been following this story closely tell me if the CIA was involved in this? I was under the impression that US Treasury was the lead agency in this, and it's unlikely that CIA got involved with anything but the product. That is, when tracing money led to terrorists and bodies on the ground were needed to pick them up. Even then the locals would be most involved in any arrests or whatever.
The CIA would not be involved in "monitoring financial transactions", but the CIA is the big bogeyman to the left in Europe and I suspect this is why they are named in these reports.
Posted by: Kevin B | July 08, 2006 at 03:16 PM
My understanding is that the CIA was not in on it.
Posted by: Jane | July 08, 2006 at 03:20 PM
It would be wrong but we could start posting on jihadi websites blueprints for the EU Parliament and offices.
Posted by: clarice | July 08, 2006 at 03:28 PM
Clarice,
What,and get all the people of Europe on the Jihadi's side?
Posted by: PeterUK | July 08, 2006 at 03:52 PM
Thanks Jane.
"The CIA is snooping in your bank account" is much scarier than "US Treasury is monitoring international money flows".
I agree with PUK that the constant drip drip drip of leaks is making it politically and operationally harder for foreign governments and intelligence agencies to co-operate in the WOT.
There seems to be three prongs to the leftist framing WOT.
1) Minimise the threat. (By playing down any terrorism incidents and blaming the West, especially Bush, for what can't be downplayed.)
2) Multiculturism. (The West is no better than the Other and we're to blame for their past conditions, their present conditions and anything they might do to us now)
3) Weaken our ability to respond. (The leaks which both forewarn the terrorists and limit co-operation. The whole Gitmo/rendition/torture kerfuffle. The Iraq War can not be allowed to succeed. Etc. etc.)
If I were a cynic, I would suspect a plan here, and I would also wonder where the money was coming from.
(OK, I'm a cynic. There's Wahhabist money funding this.)
Posted by: Kevin B | July 08, 2006 at 03:57 PM
Heh, PUK
Posted by: clarice | July 08, 2006 at 04:03 PM
I don't think we should take an active hand in matters of the sort described by Clarice. But it is high time to stop defending the decadence of old Europe. Let's pull our troops out of Germany and station them in Poland for one thing. Let's move our airbase out of Aviano and put it in Tblisi. Let's stop funding the defence of the decadent braying jackasses of western Europe and start defending people who actually have a hope of building societies instead of riding them into the ground, and while we're at it, stick a finger in Putin's eye.
Do I dare say it? I hate Europe. I hate Euope so much that it makes me want to yell every time I have to pay the tax bill to support armies there. I hate their drab childless welfare states, and I hate their spineless multiculturalism which cedes moral authority to jihadists, and I hate their intellectual lassitude which cedes policymaking to unelected bureaucrats in the EU.
And I hate their post-Marxist excuses for everything: to wit, that the cause of every problem is colonialism and the solution to every problem is an exploitative tinpot dictator who regularly denounces the United States. It is the mark of weak intellects that cannot see the dynamics underneath the rhetoric. And I hate their unelected bureaucrats rushing to dismantle their own defences, like SWIFT, that their own elites obviously must have known about, but now pander to the intellectual weaklings who clamor on behalf of their own destruction.
I want our armies out of there and when they're gone, I invite every jihadist to come and make your home in Europe. I want our armies out of there because if you think Iraq looks like a quagmire now, just wait and see what Germany looks like in 5 years, or Spain, or Italy, or France. They're going to burn like Paris did last year, at the hands of people who came there to fill the space left by non-existent children of Europeans. Hey, did you think the Turks and Morrocans and Algerians and Pakistanies were coming to Europe to work in order to support your aging Mommies and Daddies while you were at the beach? The immigrants have better things to do, like build the caliphate, and you and your aging parents are just in the way. Someday you'll come to know that. And let it be known far and wide that we in America do not want our troops to stand between the jihadists and the backstabbers. Have it out your own way, and we'll deal with whatever comes after.
Posted by: europesucks | July 08, 2006 at 04:10 PM
Kevin B,
Time to start wondering who is living above their apparent means,has a slightly too expensive a house or car,who is swimming in a pool above their pay grade,pushing more up their noses than they earn,who has a job in a Saudi think tank or can look foreward to one when they retire?
Cetainly the series of events drummed up by the NYT goes way over and above simple partisan politics.
Posted by: PeterUK | July 08, 2006 at 04:16 PM
europe, Until 2002 I spent a considerable amount of time in Europe every year, but having come to your point of view I haven't been back since. I miss the beauty of Franch and would consider Italy again, but generally speaking it occurs to me that in my lifetime every bad idea had a European root.
Posted by: clarice | July 08, 2006 at 04:20 PM
Re CIA involvement - this was in the 3rd paragraph of the first Times story:
Not clear - the Folks in Belgium (actually, IIRC the database is physically maintained in the Netherlands) probably meet with US Treasury banking types. But we all know who pulls the strings.
Posted by: Tom Maguire | July 08, 2006 at 04:30 PM
"Have it out your own way, and we'll deal with whatever comes after."
An Islamic Europe with nuclear weapons and a huge technical and industrial base?
Thes possibility of civil war which will also engulf the Eastern European states?
Conflict on the borders of the still nuclear armed Russia?
Lastly,the responsibility, in part,by American administrations,of pushing European integration for decades.
BTW,Thanks for the concepts of multiculturalism and political correctness which were spawned in America.
Posted by: PeterUK | July 08, 2006 at 04:32 PM
PUK
You're right about the Saudi, (and other ME), think tank jobs and the speech and lecture circuit jobs that are going around. But I'm also thinking about organisations. VIPs and the CIP, (? the one that Dana's hubby is involved with)come to mind. I know Soros' money is in there but who else's.
Posted by: Kevin B | July 08, 2006 at 04:32 PM
TM
If it says CIA in the Times then it must be true. I take it all back.
Seriously, even if it is run out of CIA, they are only interested in the product, not the details.
Posted by: Kevin B | July 08, 2006 at 04:38 PM
The program, run out of the Central Intelligence Agency and overseen by the Treasury Department
Well I certainly stand (er sit) corrected.
Posted by: Jane | July 08, 2006 at 04:40 PM
Actually, thinking about it, has there been any adminstration admission, (or denial), that the program was run out of CIA. I really don't trust the NYT, and I wouldn't put it past them to sneak that little detail in without confirmation. Although I suppose the fact that it was leaked would tend to confirm that the CIA was involved. If the NYT was sitting on this for a while, perhaps the sainted MOM was involved.
Posted by: Kevin B | July 08, 2006 at 04:53 PM
Has anyone read Bat Y'eor's work about Eurasia?
I received an email about what it means to live under Sharia law. It discussed how punishment was meted out to a young boy between 8 to 12 years old for stealing food because he was hungry. It included photos showing how they punished him. The punishment was to force the young boy to the ground, spread his left arm out AND drive a truck over the young boy's left arm - destroyed and maimed for life.
Posted by: lurker | July 08, 2006 at 05:13 PM
Although I suppose the fact that it was leaked would tend to confirm that the CIA was involved.
On a parallel track - how does the Treasury overlap with regular law enforcement on drug-related "follow-the-money" investigations?
I would think a similar approach would be done with SWIFT - the Treasury does the nitty-gritty work, and passes useful info to law enforcement, or the CIA.
Of course, it is a huge fedback loop, since law enforcement (or CIA) has to give Treasury some ideas about what to look for.
Posted by: Tom Maguire | July 08, 2006 at 05:41 PM
TM
What a great neologism. I can think of so many things the poor taxpayers money are spent on that could be described as a fedback loop
Posted by: Kevin B | July 08, 2006 at 05:45 PM
Hahahahaha!!
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