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Stray thoughts on Connecticut:

Lieberman loses, files the paperwork to run as an independent.  But what will his party do?  Here is the Times:

Mr. Lieberman’s determination to remain in the race may soon collide with the will of many Democratic leaders in Washington and Connecticut. The Senate minority leader, Harry Reid, and Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, who is leading the effort to elect more Democrats in November, were expected to announce this morning that they were supporting Mr. Lamont and that the party should unite around the nominee, according to Democrats close to both men. A spokesman for Mr. Schumer said a statement would be forthcoming, but declined further comment.

“Reid and Schumer will back Lamont, but the big question is if they will approach Joe about dropping out, because they don’t want to get his back up against the wall,” said a senior Senate Democratic aide who was involved in the Reid-Schumer discussions but was not authorized to discuss them publicly.

"[T]hey don’t want to get his back up against the wall" - when you ain't got nothing, you've got nothing to lose, and right now, all Lieberman has is a Senate seat, a shot at an independent run (with tacit Republican support), and an alternative life on the speaking/book tour circuit.  He has promised, like Jeffords, to vote as a Dem on Senate organizational issues such as majority leader and chairmanships, but maybe Joe is looking for love (and money, and senior committee assignments) on the other side of the aisle.

Meanwhile, Kos displays his skill as a political strategist with the suggestion that Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid should be pushed to "strip Lieberman of all committee assignments."  Uh huh.  If that forced Joe to switch parties [presumably *after* the election], the guy who is "all about winning" would have managed to tilt the Connecticut Senate seat from Automatic Blue to highly competitive.

More from Kos in a "winners and losers" analysis:

LOSERS: Republicans... If they really thought Lieberman losing was such a bad thing for the Democratic Party they wouldn't have gone out of their way to prop him up. Instead, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, the wingnutosphere, several Republican congresscritters, and the GOP's Big Money all rallied around their man. This is not a happy day for them.

Really?  Speaking only for myself, I am always deeply concerned when a businessmen worth a quarter-billion rises to power and prominence as a champion of the progressives.  But I may be a minority; "Machiavel" at Red State explained (and I agreed) a few days back that regardless of the Lamont-Lieberman outcome it was all good for BushCo:

Up until now, I was genuinely undecided on who I wanted to win the CT-SEN primary. A Lieberman loss would be great for us nationally, pushing the Democrats even further off a cliff. However, a Lieberman win would be a huge netroots defeat in a race they've thrown everything at. And that could quite possibly spark the mainstream meme that Kos is a has-been on the decline.

After weighing all these factors, I have tentatively come to the conclusion that Ned Lamont and the netroots need to be victorious next Tuesday.

I should add that Machiavel and I do not score any bonus points for creativity - Hotline's round-up features a number of happy righties.

On this point, Micky Kaus notes the "waddya gonna do" response from Markos, to wit, "The DSCC and the DCCC will have to deal with the fact that this race will continue to suck oxygen from great pickup opportunities."

(Editorial aside to Mickey - the "suck oxygen" quote comes from the Kos post titled  "Lieberman to go indy"; his "Winners and Losers" post, which you describe as non-meglomaniacal, includes this gem as the second winner (after Lamont himself):

Winners: People-powered politics... Tonight we saw that people-power is not just a Montana phenomenon but a national one, and it can move mountains.

And Kos predicted it!  Any meglomania there?)

In addition to "Winners and Losers", let me suggest "Easy Marks" for this bit of gullibility:

Winners

Hillary, Bayh, and Edwards, who moved most aggressively to embrace Lamont after the winner was called.

What did Hillary do to win Kos' love?  Per this post, she sent Lamont's campaign $5,000, as if either his campaign or hers needed the money.  Well, if that is all it takes to buy off the dogs, it was money well spent, but I am going to wait to see whether Ms. Clinton puts her mouth where her money is.  (Aside - one never knows with these activist blogs.  Is Kos that credulous, or does he simply hope to promote the illusion that Hillary is on board and the "Sink Joe" ship is sailing?  Who can tell?)

Last thought, on the possible hacking of Lieberman's website - Brandon Loy had thoughts here and here, and I will extract this:

Anyway, here is Lamont’s official statement:

If Senator Lieberman’s website was indeed hacked, we had absolutely no part in it, denounce the action, and urge whoever is responsible cease and desist immediately. It is our sincerest wish that everyone planning to vote for Ned Lamont or Joe Lieberman does so today.

Can’t argue with that. Now if only Kos had the same degree of integrity, and would apologize for his totally unsubstantiated and unjustifiable smear against the Lieberman campaign, claiming that their whole DoS story is a lie and that really they just didn’t pay their bills. For shame, Kos.

Lamont, who doesn't know anything about the blogs, at least had a reasonable idea - denounce the action, complete with an "IF" to encompass the possibility that the real cause may lie elsewhere.

By contrast, the netroots, born at the intersection of internet technology and activist politics, can't even imagine that this might be a tech-savvy dirty trick.

Folks like Kos and Armstong ought to denounce this behavior on a hypothetical basis, as their candidate did.  However, having lain down with dogs, Lamont is thoroughly flea-bitten - he won't be exerting any control or providing any leadership for his "supporters" on this point, and they are clearly unable or unwilling to do so themselves.

FWIW, the obvious predictions are (1) we will see a lot more of this come November, since hack attacks seem to carry zero consequences within the community that *might* be the source of the behavior.  The only consequence so far has been some unfavorable press; my impression is that the FBI has a hard time cracking these cases, so I am not expecting much from the investigation.

And (2) if the Kos site, or the site of some Dem candidate gets hacked this fall (which I herewith deplore in advance), Kos and Company will have forfeited any and all moral authority to complain.  Not that an absence of credibility has ever kept them quiet before.

MORE:  Justin Rood of TPM Muckrakers is actually covering this, but would he follow the trail to a bitter end?

Apparently, the web folks working for Lieberman were involved with Kerry's 2004 site, and the claim to be paying about $150/month for hosting, not the $15/mo being bandied about by the "say-anything" crowd.

Comments

[lurker]

I was too young to vote for JFK but I would've voted for him over Nixon. From my very first vote til today, I voted Republican.

And I'm from the south.

[maryrose]

Rick:
I was also 10 in 1960 when Kennedy was elected. I remember doing my homework at our library table when the election returns starting coming in. My dad was excited because Kennedy would be the first Catholic president.
In 1968 we stayed up all night in the dorm with half the room rooting for Humphrey {I was in that group} and the kids from Southern Ohio rooting for Nixon. By 1972 I was casting my first vote for Nixon to bring my brother home from Vietnam early.

[Extraneus]

So Joe's going to run as an anti-partisanship candidate. Won't that be an interesting angle, considering what's likely to be happening elsewhere this fall?

[maryrose]

I knew we had something in common. I have always voted republican and I've lived in the Midwest all my life.

[noah]

Geez Cleo spare us the image of anyone loving you.

[maryrose]

My previous comment was for Lurker.
Joe Lieberman reminds me of John Breaux and I applaud his non-partisan approach and anti-Washington message. Too bad others are bogged down and can't affect change and good legislation.

[Mackenzie]

Connecticut Democrats had the opportunity to choose between a pro-war candidate and an anti-war candidate.

Republicans have no such opportunity for discussion or the exchange of opinions. I envy the Democrats on this issue.

[maryrose]

Cleo:
You must be suffering from amnesia... The DLC brought you two Clinton terms in the White House. How soon we forget Bubba...

[SunnyDay]

And Cleo should check the voting records to see exactly who voted for "the unfair trade agreements."

[Gary Maxwell]

Hey I am cheering Feingold on too! Go baby go. Think about having a memorial wake like they had in neighboring Minnesota, Russell. Make sure all your comments are strident. It will work, ignor anyone who says it wont. LOL

[SteveMG]

Republicans have no such opportunity for discussion or the exchange of opinions

You have no opportunity to express your opposition to the war? Or an exchange of opinions?

What is this place, a pizzeria?

Opportunities: Move to Rhode Island. Or Nebraska (Hagel hasn't been shy about expressing his opposition).

SMG

[verner]

Hate to break it to Semantic Maryrose, but if I'm not mistaken, I heard Joe say a few days ago that maybe America is ready for a third party. If he decides to start one, and takes along the hated "DLC" along with a few disgruntaled blue state Repubs, the so called progressives are so screwed.

I hope it happens.

Zel Miller is right, they are no longer a national party, they're a pathetic red headed step-sister org. to the EU socialists weenies.

And I think what's happening right now with Israel is highlighting the fact. Notice how reluctant they are to call Hezbollah terrorists? Think the American public doesn't see that?

It's not just about the war in Iraq. We are, by no fault of our own, engaged in a global war against a psychotic fascist movement--and the so called democrat party wants to fight it with "dipolmacy" and spit balls.

Screw that.

[Foo Bar]

This quote from Kos is totally illogical:

If they really thought Lieberman losing was such a bad thing for the Democratic Party they wouldn't have gone out of their way to prop him up.

Maybe this would make sense if Connecticut were an open primary state and Hannity and friends could have rallied non-Democrats to the polls last night. Given that it was a closed primary, though, conservative pundits would presumably know that their endorsements of Lieberman were analogous to Bush's SOTU kiss. Surely they knew that speaking up for him would only reinforce the impression among Democrats that he's too cozy with Republicans. This is particular true given that primary voters are more likely to be hardcore Democrats with particular distaste for Limbaugh, Coulter, etc.

So if prominent conservatives believed that Lieberman losing would be bad for the Democratic Party (because e.g. they think Lamont can't win in November) then it makes perfect sense for them to give Lieberman a "kiss of death" endorsement in the leadup to the primary.

[Gary Maxwell]

I have to admit that Top called this one. She said weeks ago it was all about the hug with Pres Bush. I thought at the time, that is way too shallow, even for Democrats. I was way too wrong though. HT to Top. You nailed it. See Tom Maguire for your prize!

[lurker]

I like Zell Miller. Sure wish he would run again.

[lurker]

OT:

From Yoni the blogger:

"Today Nasrallah called on the Arabs of Haifa to flee so as to clear the way for the coming attacks on Haifa.

In 1948 the leadership of the Arab nations called on the Palestinians to run away from the areas of Israel where the Jews lived. The reason for the call to flee was so that 5 Arab Armies could then invade the infant Jewish State and murder every single Jew that lived there.

Today is 1948 all over again.

Israel is still fighting the 1948 war.

Name me one other country that almost 60 years after its birth was still forced to fight for its survival?"

[lurker]

OT:

From Yoni the blogger:

"Today Nasrallah called on the Arabs of Haifa to flee so as to clear the way for the coming attacks on Haifa.

In 1948 the leadership of the Arab nations called on the Palestinians to run away from the areas of Israel where the Jews lived. The reason for the call to flee was so that 5 Arab Armies could then invade the infant Jewish State and murder every single Jew that lived there.

Today is 1948 all over again.

Israel is still fighting the 1948 war.

Name me one other country that almost 60 years after its birth was still forced to fight for its survival?"

[lurker]

OT:

From Yoni the blogger:

"Today Nasrallah called on the Arabs of Haifa to flee so as to clear the way for the coming attacks on Haifa.

In 1948 the leadership of the Arab nations called on the Palestinians to run away from the areas of Israel where the Jews lived. The reason for the call to flee was so that 5 Arab Armies could then invade the infant Jewish State and murder every single Jew that lived there.

Today is 1948 all over again.

Israel is still fighting the 1948 war.

Name me one other country that almost 60 years after its birth was still forced to fight for its survival?"

[lurker]

OT:

From Yoni the blogger:

"Today Nasrallah called on the Arabs of Haifa to flee so as to clear the way for the coming attacks on Haifa.

In 1948 the leadership of the Arab nations called on the Palestinians to run away from the areas of Israel where the Jews lived. The reason for the call to flee was so that 5 Arab Armies could then invade the infant Jewish State and murder every single Jew that lived there.

Today is 1948 all over again.

Israel is still fighting the 1948 war.

Name me one other country that almost 60 years after its birth was still forced to fight for its survival?"

[Semanticleo]

"Name me one other country that almost 60 years after its birth was still forced to fight for its survival?"

WTF do you think WE'RE doing?

[topsecretk9]

Thanks Gary
...I mean they made a damn paper-maiche "Kiss" float for gawd sakes!

http://www.yendo.com”>Geraghty

"Running the numbers on a Lieberman-Lamont-Schlesinger race"

Yesterday I wrote, "For what it's worth - and it's not much - my guess/prediction in today's Democratic Senate primary is Ned Lamont by a small margin - say, 51-49 or 52-48." With 98 percent of the precincts reporting, it's Lamont 51.79 percent, Lieberman 48.21 percent. Feeling my oats, I'm now going to predict that between now and Election Day you're going to see polls showing Lamont up big. And yet, he's doomed. ..

He runs the numbers being very generous to Lamont too...interesting.

[Pete]

The margin of victory for Lamont may have been small, but given the power of incumbency and name recognition, it is no small wonder that Lamont won.

Having lost the primary will hurt Lieberman in Nov. The Democrat big names are behind Lamont now, and the big names who are behind Lieberman (hint - Rove) are unable to publicly declare their support for him. Ultimately I think what will hurt Lieberman the most is his desperation to hold on to power (and the sore loser and whiner factor mentioned by Appalled Moderate). Lieberman is headed for yet another loss.

With 60% of the US population opposed to the Iraq war, and a majority of the US population supporting "cut and run", it should be an interesting election season.

[topsecretk9]

You know, the results implications the DEMS aren't dealing with is McKinney...Hank Johnson spread on her - the vehement super outspoken anti-war candidate- were huge compared to the Lamont/Liberman race.

[Rick Ballard]

TS,

Shhh, don't mention the fact that the KosolaKidz didn't throw their extraordinary machine behind the most strident antiwar voice in the house. We need one more K to put with the KosolaKidz to make them identifiable just by initials.

[clarice]

OT:Israel is threatening to strip press credentials from the BBC.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525841951&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull>Booting Beeb

[topsecretk9]

Kos wrote:

LOSERS: Republicans... If they really thought Lieberman losing was such a bad thing for the Democratic Party they wouldn't have gone out of their way to prop him up. Instead, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, the wingnutosphere, several Republican congresscritters, and the GOP's Big Money all rallied around their man. This is not a happy day for them.

and then a disaffected Damocrats writes:

. Joe Lieberman was the Democratic standard-bearer just six years ago, along with Al Gore. The DSCC and the Democratic establishment [aside from President Clinton] provided little or no help to Lieberman in his campaign, which is the same as opposing him. And many left-leaning Democrats are now gleeful over his defeat by a "trust fund baby" in the Connecticut primary, which makes the party as a whole look like total freaking disloyal idiots to the rest of the country. . . .

I wouldn't be the least surprised if Lieberman runs as an Independent, kicks Lamont's ass in the general, and then sticks it to the Democratic party forever. I wouldn't blame him. And I say that as a loyal Democrat.

And that't not the first kick in the teeth Lieberman received from from a memeber of his party. You'll recall Al Gore not only didn't support his chosen running mate in '04, he made it extra special classy by without the decency of telling Lieberman himself but let Lieberman learn it from the papers. Nice.

KOS dreams up wild theories why Repubs. would have good things to say about Lieberman. NATCH, good manners, respect, decency...just don't facor in the KOS Co. world.

[topsecretk9]

Damocrats- Freudian?

[SunnyDay]

topsecret, I am continually amazed at their interpretation of things like that. Everything has a suspicious motive or is part of some conspiracy. The idea that they might just like and respect him seems like something they cannot comprehend.

I guess that just doesn't fit into their POV. These are the guys saying "dump Israel" - strange for all the mephasis on high moral ground. How about loyalty? Friendship?

And Lamont's speech - he sounded like might have thought he'd just been elected president!!

[lurker]

Quite frankly, I don't blame Israel for stripping BBC's credentials. But Israel should be just as wise by replacing BBC with a non-partisan news company.

Here is what Mac Ranger has to say about Lamont and I think he and Matt are right about their analyses.

[lurker]

Boy, AJStrata had a few things to say about Lamont, ME, Iran, and probably terrorists captured in Ohio.

Just check his site.

[lurker]

And...

What if the NSA terrorist surveillance program was used to find those two probably terrorists in Ohio?

HHHmmmmm....

"The news that Iranians have been found in Lebanon amongst the Hezbollah fighters killed in action with the IDF should be no surprise. Last month news came out of Iraq that Iranians where fighting along insurgents in Iraq. And it is no surpise either that Iranian weapons are being found in both Lebanon and Iraq. As I have said many times, and I think the news media is now starting to wake up to, Iran is the force behind all the troubles in the ME. They probably have a hand in Afghanistan’s terrorist insurgents as well (since they have been ‘holding’ Osama Bin Laden’s son for so many years). Iran is on a path to state-level martyrdom and will not let the West begin to disarm its puppets and isolate it. Surrender is not an option for them.

This is playing well into the Lamont-Lieberman issue as Lamont is now the titular head of the “surrender to the terrorist at any cost” fringe of the far left. We have not been able to force the terrorists into submission because they want to die. So until we decimate them to the point most people in the ME and Mulism workld shun them like the plague, we will be under attack. Lamont wants to hide out here in the US and let the terrorists come amongst us and savage us at home. Bush and the Reps and the last bastions of sanity on the left want to take away the Islamo Fascists’ home base and make them fight on their turf. The war is on and raging. We are simply making a choice were we want to fight it. I vote for the ME."

[maryrose]

pete:
I've got news for you. Events on the ground on and slightly before election day will determine which party will control the Congress. Everyone and I do mean everyone sees the dem party as soft on terrorism and appeasing all the terrorists{known to dems as insurgents or freedom fighters} The majority of Americans and that includes Christian fundamentalists believe Israel should fight the Hezbollah terrorists until they are ground out. So when election day arrives the strength party will win because people want to be safe and secure in our part of the world. The dems have absolutely NO PLAN TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

[Other Tom]

Had the honor to cast my first vote for Barry Goldwater in 1964, before he kind of McCained himself up. Have voted in every presidential election since, and have never cast a vote for a Democrat at any level. After Bush The First reneged on his no new taxes pledge, I re-registered as a Libertarian, but then I got primary ballots where I didn't know who any of the people were so I went back to the Repubs, who disappoint frequently. But the other clowns leave a sensible man no choice.

[topsecretk9]

--I guess that just doesn't fit into their POV. These are the guys saying "dump Israel" - strange for all the mephasis on high moral ground. How about loyalty? Friendship?--

And Sunny that's just it. When Bush acknowledged Lieberman at the SOTUS he was just showing a gesture of bipartisan respect. Did they freak when he shook Sheila Jackson Lee -- who always makes a point to be front and center on the aisle handshakes - hand? NO. It's just that Lieberman has supported the War and so they have to interpret a dang hug as some nefarious love child conspiracy.

The weird part, and I don't know how this will work out with this new hate playground politics brand Kos is selling, is that many of the elected are friendly with one another on a day to day basis, they even prolly wave, say "how you doing, hows the kids" and shake hands, maybe even buy each other drinks and shoot the S*** from time to time.

Kos just hates, if you don't do as he says, your are written off and everyone you've ever known should just disown you and stop speaking to you. If those people defy his orders and say help and old colleague, they are written of too and so on and so on. They wrote crappy things about Barbara Boxer for goodness sakes. It's bizarre and very divisive for the so-called tolerant party.

[lurker]

Oh dear, the link failed so here is Mac's post at his website:

"Matt Margolis at Blogs for Bush writes:

“Make no mistake about it, last night’s primary victory for Lamont will become a huge victory for President Bush and the Republicans. Joe Lieberman got up and brushed himself off, quickly defying leaders of his party, and moved forward with his independent campaign for his Senate seat. The liberal netroots may be happy right now over this “victory,” but this victory will come a huge cost for them in the long run.”

I’m in agreement with Matt as well as with those Democrats not drunk on “wishes” of a Democratic ‘94, such as Josh Marshall. Seriously, is it legal to drink and write a column at the same time? Sheesh!

Anyway…

While the left is aglow in the Lamont victory, thinking it a turn of the tide in the hearts of America, the fact is that same heart rejected their moon-battery outright by the ousting of Cynthia McKinney. What a contrast eh?

Let’s forget the silly talk. Lamont is done. Liberman will win his job back as an independent and Lamont will go back to ripping off cable consumers.

Down here in the blue of Broward County Florida I can tell you that the Democratic base isn’t real pleased with the mugging of one of their own (this is heavy Lieberman country), and one very senior Democratic party boss is swearing that the the favor will be return. Indeed long time Democratic operatives nationwide are going into overdrive against what they feel to be a “hostile takeover” of their party by straitjacket leftist. Yet that’s not the half of it for as I said before, look for the real power in the party - the Clinton Machine to begin the “cleansing” very soon.

Chief nutroots who think that they are more powerful than the “bust” are in fact amatures compared to the real pros at the “Politics of Annihilation”. In fact, the process - thought dead - has begun.

It’s also important to note that Lamont didn’t win to close what the nutroots were predicting, and in essence his win was a squeaker which if for not a CT law that allows “switching on a whim”, Lamont would be home counting his millions."

Lamont - a taste of things to come

BTW, Debka thinks that even after Israel goes all the way to Litani River, Israel would see a reduction of rockets fired from 200 down to 30 or 50. But that's better than getting 200 per day unless the Hezzies want to get worse with their attacks.

Well, heck, Other Tom, I was mad that Bush the First did not go all the way in Iraq.

[lurker]

And Bush invited Ted Kennedy and his family over for dinner in the beginning...

[topsecretk9]

--look for the real power in the party - the Clinton Machine to begin the “cleansing” very soon.--

Oh definitely see the Clinton machine getting tough now. In fact I think Lillary knows it is a wash this time around and so the focus will be to cleanse and realign the party for '10 and '12.

[topsecretk9]

Lillary?

[SunnyDay]

"..many of the elected are friendly with one another on a day to day basis, they even prolly wave, say "how you doing, hows the kids" and shake hands, maybe even buy each other drinks and shoot the S*** from time to time."

Yep, that's how things get done, for heavens sake. I don't see how our legislature can function any other way. Maybe they think it's all threats and bribery? ;)

As long as that Soros money flows, seems the hate will flow along with it. Do they have any idea who Soros is or what he's done, I wonder? Or maybe they don't care. I would say taking his money immediately shows that a person has no principles.

[topsecretk9]

Hey...I said it first, this guy says it better!

Instapundit excerpts Ilya Shapiro:

Such arguments expose the nasty truth at the heart of the modern "Party of Jefferson": You have to embrace the entire Democratic catechism (abortion on demand, racial preferences, etc.) or risk banishment from this "party of inclusion." While accusing the GOP of being a group of intolerant extremists -- so intolerant that the party establishment is funding Lincoln Chafee (who has a voting record equal to Lieberman and Clinton, and more liberal than 14 Democratic senators) against a conservative opponent -- it is the Democrats who are repeatedly shown to have binding litmus tests.

Instapundit: It's not a big tent. It's a pup tent.

[Lesley]

Rick

My Italian-speaking daughter is not here to translate, ergo, I had to use quella lingua di merda francese BA of mine for an approximation.

I say sangue AND mente, but I'm greedy that way.

When I saw your comment, I had an instantaneous Jamie Lee Curtis moment right out of "A Fish Called Wanda." If you don't watch out, the women at JOM are going to start calling you Otto and begging you to type everything in Italian.

[Semanticleo]

And Bush invited Ted Kennedy and his family over for dinner in the beginning...

Yeah. Uh huh. And the first thing the guest did to his host after dinner was take the carving knife out of the roast beef and plunge it into the host's back.

Et Tu, Brute?

[SunnyDay]

What??

[Semanticleo]

"It's not a big tent. It's a pup tent."

LMMFAO-He IS the Master of the mundane, but occasionally he tickles my funnybone

[Semanticleo]

Uh, Sunny? Your question?

Here's a hint; LEAVE NO CHILD BEHIND.

[Soylent Red]

Or Nebraska (Hagel hasn't been shy about expressing his opposition).

Stay the hell away from Nebraska if you like Chuck Hagel. Republican Party here has a strong, strong anti-Hagel sentiment running through it now. As I understand it, he'll be flirting with tar and feathers in some quarters of the state. Try Berkley instead. Much safer for the anti-war set, and less firearms.

**A former Democrat in my dissipated youth, turned Republican via libertarianism**

Lamont's win, IMO, really only has meaning on a national scale. Dems, in order to capitalize, will have to publically and nationally plunge the daggers into Lieberman's back. Whatever Conn might think of Joe, his liberal cred is highly thought of by a lot of Dems.

Further, the nutjobs are officially EMPOWERED!™ That bodes ill for any Democrat looking to get past the primaries in a red or purple state. And that means most states.

Dem candidates are going to have to pay tribute to the moonbats, only to have their speeches turned into campaign ads by every state and national Republican entity.

So Lamont can mmmmaybe win a Blue state with his ideas. Big deal. The nutroots won't be happy until they regain Congress and the White House. That's not going to happen on the back of a Ned Lamont, any of his freaky disciples, or any of the ideas he espouses. There's way, way to much red and purple out there.

So say the Republicans give Lamont CT. No loss there since we never really had it. Replace a D for a D and let Lamont start shooting off his mouth. Ultimately a net gain for the Rs.

Alternately, as I have said before, Lamont-as-a-Senator will have a regularly scheduled asskicking at the hands of the Democratic whip every time he opens his mouth up to '08. Making him not only a junior senator, but a completely defanged one at that. Easy pickings for a replacement in the next go around.

Enjoy your little circle jerk while it lasts moonbats. Every wild weekend has a Monday morning.

[topsecretk9]

I'm with Sunny, what is your point Cleo, your nuance or sarcasm is lot on me.

[Semanticleo]

sunny;

Maybe you were unaware that BUSH was KENNEDY"S guest in BOSTON (not the WH as erroniously state above)where the milestone alliance on Childhood Education was promulgated. Bush's
treachery was never more obvious.

[Rick Ballard]

Buon sangue non mente - Tuscan proverb - good blood doesn't lie. The scene where Jamie Lee Curtis told Otto off is one of my all time favorites "Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked them up."

[topsecretk9]

OK, that's what I thought you meant...oh yeas...this is R I C H...cleo defending the honer of the poor Ted Kennedy at the hands of Bush treachery...yes, Ted Kennedy, pure, naive and incapable of craven criminality and self preservation. Your tolerance for the criminal when suiting is interesting Cleo.

[Pete]

maryrose - I agree that events on ground will strongly influence who controls the Congress. So lets look at the Bush track record. Violence and drug trafficking Afghanistan is on the rise. Iraq continues to burn and even our own generals are saying that now civil war is a possibility whereas one year ago they would not have said that. Bush has no control over Iraq, the situation is worsening, and Bush has gone on so many PR campaigns to sell his war that the PR campaigns are no longer effecive.

The problem for the Republicans is that a majority of Americans fall in the category of what you call "soft on terrorism" and "appeasors of terrorism".

[Soylent Red]

Lesley and Rick:

I used to have a girlfriend who found it wildly amusing when I would grab her and say passionately "Beniiiito Mussoliiiini! Pasta primaveeera!"

And the Otto reckless driving utterance of "AAAAAASSHOLE!" is still part of my repetoire.

[Semanticleo]

"yes, Ted Kennedy, pure, naive and incapable of craven criminality and self preservation"

That's exactly dead-man center on what the
problema is. Moral equivilism.

The terrorists are worse than us-----
Kenndedy is a criminal so that excuses bad Bush behavior-----

That is your answer for every critique of
your opinions, attitudes and beliefs.

Why should I pay all my taxes, nobody else does?

[topsecretk9]

--I used to have a girlfriend who found it wildly amusing when I would grab her and say passionately "Beniiiito Mussoliiiini! Pasta primaveeera!"---

HEY...I used to crank call the very popular Italian restaurant in my town and in thick Italian ask to them please page Meestar Feducheeni Alfreado or Meestar Paasta Preemaverra or Meestar Lingeeenini Feducheeni when I was a snotty little kid.

I would squeal in laughter when the dopey hostess would put me on hold and then return to say they weren't there...can you imagine the snickers at tables when over the louder speaker some ding dong blonde called "Meestar Veelio Parmashiania you have phone call" blasted through the restaurant?

Oh, those were the days...per caller ID and star 69!

[Soylent Red]

Kenndedy is a criminal so that excuses bad Bush behavior

Yeah. The problem is, I never see you jamming up Kennedy.

If you were an equal opportunity hater of corruption, graft and dishonesty, it might be easier to take you seriously.

Instead, just another partisan hack wrapping himself bogus moral superiority.

[topsecretk9]

--Why should I pay all my taxes, nobody else does?--

I do, and self imposed as I am self employeed And Ted is a dick and you chose him as your stellar example, not me.

[topsecretk9]

Yeah, what Red said.

[Lesley]

Rick, I was interpreting "mente" like esprit and/or intelligence. My mistake.

Rick and Soylent: your "A Fish Called Wanda" references, funny funny stuff. Yup, we women do seem to go goofy over Italian men or men who can speak Italian, even the Chef Boy-ar-dee variety. We're shallow like that. Hee.

[sam]

08/09/06 Reuters: Three beheaded corpses found between Tikrit and Kirkuk,

08/09/06 AP: 1,500 violent deaths reported in Iraq

08/09/06 Centcom: THREE SOLDIERS DIE IN ENEMY ACTION

08/09/06 usatoday: Center for war-related brain injuries faces budget cut

08/09/06 stuff.co.nz: New Zealand man dies in Iraq blast

08/09/06 Reuters: Three policemen killed, seven wounded in Habaniya

08/09/06 Reuters: Almost 2,000 bodies were taken Baghdad's morgue in July

08/09/06 AFP: US military defends Baghdad raid slammed by PM

08/09/06 KUNA: Romania to withdraw troops upon Iraqi government request

08/09/06 Centcom: CF HELICOPTER GOES DOWN IN AL ANBAR

08/09/06 AP: 4 Iraqis arrested in Carroll kidnapping

08/09/06 Reuters: Roadside bomb kills civilian in Baghdad

08/09/06 Reuters: Two Iraqi contractors abducted in Baiji

08/09/06 AFP: Iraqi army colonel killed in Basra

08/09/06 Reuters: Beheaded body found in al- Zab, 2 bodies found in Dour

08/09/06 Reuters: Three Iraqi soldiers wounded by roadside bomb, civialian killed

08/09/06 Reuters: 5 people killed, 20 wounded when rocket hits 3-storey building

08/09/06 Xinhua: 9 bodies found in Baghdad

08/09/06 Reuters: Morgue body count highlights sectarian bloodshed

08/09/06 Reuters: US servicemen missing after Iraq chopper crash

Why Lieberman lost. Why the republican party is
imploding. A policy that calls for a response that is far more costly than the threat is a losing policy. For soo many.

[topsecretk9]

Sam

Give it a yank, instead.

[topsecretk9]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm”> more on that "equivalency" thing (picture me squincing index and middle fingers in the air dramatically) and this is from the A-Hole who ditched his partner and didn't have the cajones or decency to tell him personally-

"We have just 10 years to avert a major catastrophe that could send our entire planet into a tailspin."
Graciously, Gore tells consumers how to change their lives to curb their carbon-gobbling ways: Switch to compact fluorescent light bulbs, use a clothesline, drive a hybrid, use renewable energy, dramatically cut back on consumption. Better still, responsible global citizens can follow Gore's example, because, as he readily points out in his speeches, he lives a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." But if Al Gore is the world's role model for ecology, the planet is doomed.

For someone who says the sky is falling, he does very little. He says he recycles and drives a hybrid. And he claims he uses renewable energy credits to offset the pollution he produces when using a private jet to promote his film. (In reality, Paramount Classics, the film's distributor, pays this.)

Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in Carthage, Tenn.) For someone rallying the planet to pursue a path of extreme personal sacrifice, Gore requires little from himself.

Then there is the troubling matter of his energy use. In the Washington, D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an alternative to traditional energy. In Nashville, similar programs exist. Utility customers must simply pay a few extra pennies per kilowatt hour, and they can continue living their carbon-neutral lifestyles knowing that they are supporting wind energy. Plenty of businesses and institutions have signed up. Even the Bush administration is using green energy for some federal office buildings, as are thousands of area residents.

But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences. When contacted Wednesday, Gore's office confirmed as much but said the Gores were looking into making the switch at both homes. Talk about inconvenient truths.

Gore is not alone. Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean has said, "Global warming is happening, and it threatens our very existence." The DNC website applauds the fact that Gore has "tried to move people to act." Yet, astoundingly, Gore's persuasive powers have failed to convince his own party: The DNC has not signed up to pay an additional two pennies a kilowatt hour to go green. For that matter, neither has the Republican National Committee.

...ving carbon-neutral apparently doesn't mean living oil-stock free. Nor does it necessarily mean giving up a mining royalty either.

Humanity might be "sitting on a ticking time bomb," but Gore's home in Carthage is sitting on a zinc mine. Gore receives $20,000 a year in royalties from Pasminco Zinc, which operates a zinc concession on his property. Tennessee has cited the company for adding large quantities of barium, iron and zinc to the nearby Caney Fork River.

The issue here is not simply Gore's hypocrisy; it's a question of credibility. If he genuinely believes the apocalyptic vision he has put forth and calls for radical changes in the way other people live, why hasn't he made any radical change in his life? Giving up the zinc mine or one of his homes is not asking much, given that he wants the rest of us to radically change our lives.

[larwyn]

BREAKING:
Just reported by CNN Intl - UK terror plot to blow
up aircraft in flight between UK and US.

[larwyn]

BREAKING:
Just reported by CNN Intl - UK terror plot to blow
up aircraft in flight between UK and US.

[larwyn]

BREAKING:
Just reported by CNN Intl - UK terror plot to blow
up aircraft in flight between UK and US.

[Semanticleo]

"But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences."

"OH, THE HUMANITY!
OH, THE HYPOCRISY!

WE CAN'T BE SO BAD, IF THEY'RE NOT SO GOOD!!"

LOL

[larwyn]

Weird,
I couldn't see those damn robot
filtering letters - had to try until I could read the 4th presentation. Only typed in the
combination once - 3 posts???

[Soylent Red]

Larwyn:

You have a strange and wonderful gift...

[Pofarmer]

Well, since this post went all Iraqi. You should read this from American Citizen Soldier. Aww nuts, can't do HTML I'll just copy and paste.

http://americancitizensoldier.blogspot.com/2006/07/repatriate-games.html

[Pofarmer]

"WE CAN'T BE SO BAD, IF THEY'RE NOT SO GOOD!!""

How about if they're just disengenuous chumps with below average intellect?

[larwyn]

UK AIRPORTS BANNING HAND LUGGAGE -
Plot was to blow up flights (plural) in midair.
Explosives in hand luggage part of plot
It is 6:30 Am in UK - CNN INT'L

Not the Dixie Chicks
Shrinkwrapped includes this:

Bonus note only slightly off-topic: Jethro Tull was one of the great bands of the late 60s, early 70s, coming out of the UK. While younger fans might insist that Aqualung is their greatest album, I am partial to Stand Up and Benefit as their two finest works. Ian Anderson was unforgettable playing the flute on one leg and apparently he remains a "Stand Up" gentleman:

Jethro Tull's soloist: Show must go on

Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull's soloist and flutist, is still planning to come to Israel. 'I don’t think any of us should succumb to terror, I am afraid of coming to Israel but I am also afraid to cross the street'

Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull's soloist and flutist since 1967, is due to appear in Israel on October 16th, 2006 for the fifth time. Anderson will be playing in concert with the Raanana Symphony Orchestra set to take place at the city's famed amphitheatre.

Ian Anderson will make some concessions to the war, however:

"My good flute will stay at home," he said explaining that there is always a risk of loss or damage when going on tour.

With friends like this, Israel is in very good shape.

http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2006/08/snatching_defea.html#more

And from Robert Godwin, OneCosmos "On the Fraudographic Monopulation of Hiz'story"

George Orwell is responsible for the prophetic remark that “Who controls the past, controls the future; who controls the present controls the past.”

snip

So now the MSM has been busted yet again for perpetrating fraud on the present, for distorting the now for patently ideological ends--for why on earth would they try to manipulate us with even unmanipulated Hiz'moloch propaganda? It's still manipulation designed to serve the interests of the enemy.

This institutionalized fraud extends into the past, because it is the first draft of rewritten history--and into the future, because the emotional immediacy of these images serves to demolish the hierarchy of being and cause many people to be as confused about this war as Larry King. Last night I heard a snippet of his program. He was commenting on a debate that had just taken place between Alan Dershowitz, representing Israel, and James Zogby, as always, representing the terrorists. After it was over, the ever-clueless Larry wondered out loud--and one can assume he speaks for millions--”how do you figure it out when both sides are right?”

Bing-bing-bing-bing-bing! That’s exactly the point. To a leftist, that is the right answer. Why? Because it means that the the intelligibility of the present has been successfully destroyed. The rest is easy.

http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/2006/08/on-fraudographic-monopulation-of.html

[topsecretk9]

--BREAKING:
Just reported by CNN Intl - UK terror plot to blow
up aircraft in flight between UK and US.--

Foiled or in route? I always get the shivers because my mommy is a flight attendant that does intl.

CLeo

It's cool that Gore is out lecturing others to be super greeny an uncarbon but didn't even have the frickin foresight to like, you know, green up before his movie jet tour?

YEAH, like the article said, not even a matter of hypocrisy, it's like --I DON"T Believe doomsday routine, I think he made money off the movie and is full of bullshit especially since he doesn't feel the pressing need to do it himself!

[Semanticleo]

Jesus H....we can't even agree on what JT work
is the best. Clearly, the operatic story of the boy-genius ala "Thick as a Brick" reigns supreme.

[Semanticleo]

topsec;

You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives shit about Gore. (or Kennedy for that matter) Men weren't meant to be worshipped.

[topsecretk9]

--topsec;

You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives shit about Gore. (or Kennedy for that matter) Men weren't meant to be worshipped.--

OK, thanks.Then do not defend or bring them up in future posts, and all is good like.

[topsecretk9]

LONDON (CNN) -- British police have disrupted what they believe was a major terrorist plot to blow up aircraft in flight, likely between the United Kingdom and the United States, a statement from Scotland Yard said Thursday.
"It is believed that the aim was to detonate explosive devices smuggled on board the aircraft in hand luggage. It is believed that the attacks would have been particularly targeted at flights from the UK to the USA," the statement said.

Arrests were made overnight in London by the Metropolitan Police Department's anit-terrorist branch and security service.

[Semanticleo]

OK. If YOU agree Not to defend Bush, it's a deal.

[larwyn]

Fox reporting
TWENTY AIRCRAFT
12 arrested UK CITIZENS
of PAKISTANI DESCENT

Yes and the lefty Library wouldn't carry "Londonistan" - not a very
sensitive to muslims book.

Eyeglasses are OK on plane - but
no eyeglass cases.

[topsecretk9]

Clao

YOU are the one that said YOU didn't give a shit about Gore or Kennedy, I never said anything like that about Bush. If you don't give a shit about Gore or Kennedy then don't invoke them, is all I am saying. And you know that. Lame try though.

[larwyn]

Reporting that weak point in security is planes comming into the UK and how carry-on luggage
was handled for transfers to connecting flights.

UK terror alert on Critical.

Geez, someone should have "talked to" those lads.

[larwyn]

Baby's bottle must be tasted by adult in front of security.

How shall the Lamont voters feel in the morning?

Wow! Kos will surely say this is why Rove called
Lieberman to give heads up.
Larwyn

[Karl]

For the Dems salivating over making the election all about Iraq:

"While 59 percent of Americans told an Associated Press poll this month that they disapproved of President Bush's handling of Iraq, 64 percent disapproved of the Democrats' handling of it. While 62 percent of Americans told a Washington Post/ABC News poll last month that they disapproved of Bush's handling of the war, an even higher percentage of respondents, 71 percent, said the Democrats do not offer clear alternatives."

[Talcott]

......has the K Ass(kos) that would be queen...done any video work

with his "killer piano..."........

.....what was that jazz bro's called it

Cutting Heads

;)

[Talcott]

......has the K Ass(kos) that would be queen...done any video work

with his "killer piano..."........

.....what was that the jazz bro's called it

Cutting Heads

;)

[Dave]

It makes no sense for Democrats to be parading this around as some sort of moral victory. So the CT Dems nominated someone whose whole platform is "Bush lied people died?" Why is that a surprise? That's what the national party did two years ago, and look where it got them. It won't be a surprise to me when Lieberman retains his seat in November, but you folks might want to start investing in the Doctor's Nightguard for all the teeth-grinding we'll hear from the Kossacks as polls don't move their direction quite as easily as they did in the primary.

[topsecretk9]

So...now that Hamsher and Kos defined the election on a kiss and a vote...it's PRETTY established Lieberman was pro-war vote...so Lamont has nothing more to campaign on, and Lieberman can now challenge Lamont on the war- CAN you imagine the "negotiate" crap in a general election? AND Lieberman now has the freedom to flex his war-vote muscle to lure the indies and more importantly the GOPer's who have NOSSING to vote on anyways. HMMM, yeah?

[Patton]

Chris Mathews said something last night on Hardball that made a light go off in my head and showed how differently the left and right view the war on terror.

Chris said: 'You can tell if we are winning the war by whether the number of terrorist attacks are increasing or decreasing'.

BAM!

WOW! Is that not the very definition of APPEASEMENT?

When we went to war against Germany, did that attacks by the Nazis increase? WELL YES, ABSOLUTELY.

In every war, once war is declared and fighting starts in earnest of course by definition the number of attacks the enemy
engages in ALLWAYS INCREASES..THE VERY DEFINITION OF HAVING A WAR.

But by Chris's measure, that means we are losing the war until the day we ultimately win.
AND THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE HIS MEASURE WORK, WOULD BE TO APPEASE THE ENEMY TO GET THE ATTACKS TO GO DOWN.

So for Chris, and I would think most liberals it is not about fighting/killing and defeating the enemy, it is to get the enemy to stop attacking us by the quickest means possible, which leads directly to appeasement.

[Patton]

By the way, incase the lamestream media is wondering...everything they have said about the Isreal war has been wrong from day one.

Isreal is planning to destroy as much of Hizbollah as possible. Everyone seems to believe this war started because Iran wanted to raise a stink just before the security council went to work about their Nukes.

I think the war was planned by Isreal with the US agreement to destroy Hizbullah before we confront Iran so Iran doesn't have that threat to use against us.

Sure some Hizbullah capability will remain, but they will have a hard time creating a full up war against Isreal to get the Arabs all fired up, if we go after Irans nukes programs say next year.

[noah]

Baloney.

[noah]

The "media" doesn't wonder.

Israel...learn how to spell.

The HzB started with diversionary rocket attack followed by a cross border raid killing 8 and capturing 2.

Your theory is a conspiracy theory.

[Extraneus]

It's easy to lose perspective on Joe's vote On the Joint Resolution (H.J.Res. 114), the 10/11/2002 authorization to use military force in Iraq. (Sorry for the long post.)

Grouped By Vote Position

YEAs ---77
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Campbell (R-CO)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
Daschle (D-SD)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Gramm (R-TX)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Helms (R-NC)
Hollings (D-SC)
Hutchinson (R-AR)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Miller (D-GA)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Nickles (R-OK)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Santorum (R-PA)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-NH)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thompson (R-TN)
Thurmond (R-SC)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

NAYs ---23
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chafee (R-RI)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)

[Terrye]

Pete:

The majority of Americans do not support cut and run, they just want things to improve.

Believe it or not giving terrorists yet another reason to kill people by promising that if they do enough damage we will run away, is not really all that popular. I expect to see terrorists sporting little donkey pins any day now.

[larwyn]

"I expect to see terrorists sporting little donkey pins any day now."...Terre

Wonder how happy all those Lamont supporters are with their votes this morning? Mugged by reality anyone?

Re: Chris Matthews metrics. Just go to DU - Ace posted hours ago a few of the gems that were already up.

I had asked right after the news broke how long before they said that Rove was giving Lieberman a "heads up" so that he would go ahead and file/run as Independent.

Didn't have to wait long. Guessing what they will say is too easy - no surprises.

UPDATE ON HEZ STAGING:
Hot Air has link to video with Howard Kurtz and Anderson Cooper where AC admits that the Hez is staging photographs. It is at the
end of the tape. JAWA wonders if
that segment will play on CNN Int'l which would put AC in danger.

The son of Gloria Vanderbilt got on my nerves, especially his Katrina B.S. But he is the one who blew the whistle on Nick Robertson, so maybe the poor little rich boy has more courage/smarts than the typical CNNer. Geraldo once said that "Aaron Brown would wet his pants" if he was ever in a war zone. Pleased that I am feeling a bit better about AC as Greta put too much emphasis on "local" cases and takes the "we must stop the violence" stance too often.

[lurker]

"Yeah. Uh huh. And the first thing the guest did to his host after dinner was take the carving knife out of the roast beef and plunge it into the host's back."

Yup, that's right. Kennedy ended up stabbing Bush in the back afterwards. I doubt that he was invited back.

Kennedy's behavior was deplorable during the Alito hearings.

And, yes, I'll defend Bush.

[lurker]

And Spamming Sam, you lost the argument already and you're making it worse by creating the exact opposite results. What's your advicce? Start reading up on the casualty lists for various wars and accidents.

[lurker]

"NAYs ---23
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chafee (R-RI)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)"

These are the ones that KOS needs to focus on to get rid of...

[lurker]

We should be giving thanks to the Bush adm for having the insight to break down the Gorelick Wall, getting the Patriot Act passed, and supporting the UNCHANGED NSA terrorist surveillance program for thwarting this massive global terrorist threat.

Wonder if the terrorists were targetting August 22nd to execute their plans?

Perhaps there would be no flying until after August 22nd?

HHHmmm....

And we'll be hearing from the dems that Bush had it all planned and timed to affect the November elections.

Right...

Without regard to the Israeli-Hezbollah war.

[lurker]

This is still a 9/11 World no matter what the dems and left-wingers think.

[Pofarmer]

"Wonder if the terrorists were targetting August 22nd to execute their plans?"

Oh my.

If that's true, this will really put a cramp in Ahmedinnijabs shorts!!!

[lurker]

Left bloggers so far had been quiet. Mary K. Ham was monitoring it and took note that one left-wing blogger blamed it on Lieberman's loss.

HOWEVER!

The Brits had been monitoring these terrorists for MONTHS.

"Oh, Lordy. This is why another meme was starting yesterday-- the one that says the Netroots liberals are driving the Democratic Party over the anti-war edge, to a place where they can no longer be trusted on national security issues (and, frankly, they were iffy before).

International terrorist plot, guys. You got a victory yesterday, but it's really not all about you.

And they wonder why we say they can't be trusted on security?"

Nope, they cannot be trusted on security.

Michelle Malkin wants to know how those Dearborn terrorists got the passenger list. Obviously, they know someone that works for that airline cuz that's the only way to get those passenger lists.

You bet it would, Profarmer!

[lurker]

And the leftwinger could blame the timing against the UN resolutions as a means to convince France back to the US side?????