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October 01, 2006

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Cecil Turner

Either way, there is a huge gap between what Tenet wants [. . . and . . .] the need for "an overall plan and strategy".

No kidding. And why am I not surprised the much-touted Tenet/Clarke/Black proposal involved another missile-lobbing exercise?

David Cohen

There are two different things going on here that constantly get confused. The first is getting bin Laden. The second is stopping 9/11. By the summer of 01, Atta and gang are in place in the US and can only be stopped by heads-up domestic police work. Just killing bin Laden does nothing to stop 9/11. In fact, if we had killed bin Laden in July or August and 9/11 had gone off anyway, all we would be hearing from the left would be that 9/11 was revenge for killing OBL and thus Bush's fault.

Semanticleo

Rice is well schooled in the labrynths of bureaucracy. In any corporation, survivors have learned to pick up signals which reveal the popular mindset of upper management. The use of acronyms and the nuance of raised eyebrows are all tools of the purveyors of actual company policy (unwritten) no matter
how dissonant they sound in light of written
public policy.

Rice has no excuses. But don't let Bush off
the hook. She is the consummate politician
and knows how to curry favor with those who
control her career. She responded as she felt Bush would have responded.

maryrose

Coulda, shoulda, woulda.. I am no longer interested in affixing blame. The dems problem besides trying to cover their rear-ends is that they can't problem solve and come up with what needs to be done to win the WOT. I don't give a flying fig about OBL. He is either dead or marginalized in a cave somewhere. We need to talk about securing Baghdad and getting the country stabilized. Everything else is the blame game which has much in common with the Plame game. Nobody wins and many are falsely accused and the media decides the agenda.

Jane

What I am constantly struck by is the sheer unparalleled incompetance of the Washington bureaucracy, only surpassed by its mendacity.

Great panel on Fox News discussion the facts Clinton alleged in his meltdown last sunday including Lawrence Wright (The looming tower). Michael Sheuer, and Clinton Shill Daniel Benjamin.

SunnyDay

Rice has no excuses. But don't let Bush off
the hook. She is the consummate politician
and knows how to curry favor with those who
control her career. She responded as she felt Bush would have responded.

Ahhh they have us now. We must surrender. ;)

Doug

Two weeks earlier, he [Tenet] had told Richard A. Clarke, the National Security Council's counterterrorism director: "It's my sixth sense, but I feel it coming. This is going to be the big one."

From the 9/11 Commission report:

"In late August, the Moussaoui arrest was briefed to the DCI and other top CIA officials under the heading “Islamic Extremist Learns to Fly.” Because the system was not tuned to comprehend the potential significance of this information,the news had no effect on warning."

Tenet's sixth sense that was working so well in July must have taken a vacation in August. I will always feel that this one piece of information should have set off alarms at the CIA. It might not have prevented 9/11 but it should have triggered an investigation at flight schools in the US.

Ric Locke

...a Clinton holdover clinging to his old job, was not going to buck Ms. Rice...

Buuuwahahaha!

When Bush took office he left a number of Clinton appointees in place, partly out of inertia, partly because he didn't have people immediately available, partly out of a feeling that there was no reason to dispossess people who were doing a good job.

I challenge anyone to name one of those holdovers who was not at minimum obstructive, more normally engaged in active sabotage of Bush Administration goals, strategies, and tactics. It's one of the reasons people like me tend to sneer when Democrats start complaining that Bush doesn't "reach out" or "compromise".

Regards,
Ric

lonetown

Sure. Blame the black chick.

Seriously, all this hind sight induced testosterone is unbecoming a Medal of Freedom winner.

I smell a strong whiff of CYA cologne.

topsecretk9

Pakistan president: Bin Laden not dead

NEW YORK, Oct. 1 (UPI) -- Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden is hiding in the tiny, sparsely populated, heavily mountainous eastern Afghan province of Kunar, Pakistan's president says.
"It's not a hunch," President Pervez Musharraf told The Sunday Times of London.
Bin Laden is known to be hiding in the strongly tribal province, embedded in the Hindu Kush mountain range, Musharraf said.
He said bin Laden might be receiving help from Afghan warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, the country's prime minister twice in the 1990s, who has been in hiding since siding with bin Laden shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks against the United States.
Musharraf spoke with the newspaper in New York after a contentious White House dinner meeting with Afghan President Hamid Karzai, hosted by President Bush.

Neo

If Tenet had "intercepted messages among al-Qaeda operatives" on or before July 10, 2001, why is there no mention of an "imminent threat" on August 6, 2001 ?

Clearly either Tenet was holding back (hardly) or Woodward did grasp something, perhaps reality.

Otto

From lots of info out there it has been apparent for a long time that Rice was too lightweight for this job. It's odd that she gets a pass that is not extended to Cheney, Rumsfeld etc. so suggestions that Rice is being blamed because she is black suggests the writer opened his mouth before engaging his brain. She is going to find it hard to shake this one. Tenet and Black were not the only ones present, Clarke was there also and there were probably others. The white house is not denying the meeting took place but trying to muddy the water so there is probably at least some truth in their claims and if it ever gets to the stage that Tenet or Black give interviews as they probably will at some stage, her goose is probably cooked when this is added to ''Bin Laden determined to attack in the US'' only four weeks later. The Bush story was always going to unravel at some time as have the denials that this war was not long planned. There was just too much evidence out there. Now we have Waxman turning up emails from Abramoff of all people telling about conversations with Rove in March 2002! about the planned war a year before it started. The country has made up its mind about this matter really, and as more stuff comes out about the nine months before 9/11 they are going to make up their mind about how Bush handled it. Bang goes the legacy.

Max

Hi Tom. Ever feel like you were returning serves from six different people at one time?

yr friend,
maxspeak

Tollhouse

I will always feel that this one piece of information should have set off alarms at the CIA. It might not have prevented 9/11 but it should have triggered an investigation at flight schools in the US.

Ah, see here is where we get back to Gorelick and foreign intelligence in relation to the US justice system.

There could not have been such an investigation.

Neo

This morning on Fox with Chirs Wallace, Michael Scheuer said flatly that Berger, Clarke and Clinton were lying.

He said Clarke has specifically said the they [the CIA] were forbidden to kill bin Laden. The CIA had never gotten a finding that allow them to assassinate bin Laden.

And after all, if there had been a finding that allow the CIA to kill bin Laden, why would they have to wait for the FBI or CIA to certify to the President that the USS Cole, the last attack under Clinton, had been done by bin Laden. The only way this could have been true is if Clinton authorized it in Dec 2000.

The other interesting point was that there was an apparent understanding by the heads of the CIA and FBI that a certification really wasn't wanted by the White House.

He went on to say that there were no opportunities to get bin Laden during the 8 months prior to 9/11, Bush's watch.

The best part though was when Michael Scheuer said that virtually no members of his bin Laden Task Force were interviewed by the 9/11 Commission and that a large volume of documents that should have been reviewed by the 9/11 Commission were ignored by the Commission.

It seems whilest the Left side of the blogsphere is running about over a Tenet-Rice meeting missed by the 9/11 Commission, they was an even bigger oversight by the Commission.

Dell

Al is going to launch a major bio terror in the North America and it will probably be genetic; if they do not die their babies will be deformed.

"It's my sixth sense, but I feel it coming. This is going to be the big one."
They needed to take action that moment -- covert, military, whatever -- to thwart bin Laden.

Bio Shield is not working.

PeterUK

"In any corporation, survivors have learned to pick up signals which reveal the popular mindset of upper management. "

It may not have lodged in the labrynthine cavities of your mind Septic,but Ms Rice is Upper-Management

Dozut

Rice is also a WMD expert and got her degree in it, which everyone in CIA operations officers had to study too. She leaked the Universities that taught the courses so Bush hired the Presidents of those Universities. CIa leaked the program during the hunt for WMD during the war.

The FSB guy hwho figured all this out was assissinated in a 'contract' killing as a business man.

Rice is a flaw for the entire system; everybody had to put up with Rice. Plame was pretty mean.

Dozut

Rice is also a WMD expert and got her degree in it, which everyone in CIA operations officers had to study too. She leaked the Universities that taught the courses so Bush hired the Presidents of those Universities. CIa leaked the program during the hunt for WMD during the war.

The FSB guy who figured all this out was assissinated in a 'contract' killing as a business man.

Rice is a flaw for the entire system; everybody had to put up with Rice. Plame was pretty mean.

Jane

Gee, that didn't make any more sense the second time to me.

Patrick R. Sullivan

'From lots of info out there it has been apparent for a long time that Rice was too lightweight for this job.'

That's not what Richard Clarke thought about her:

---------quote--------
Will Dr. Rice 'crack the whip'?

JIM LEHRER: Now based on your knowledge of Dr. Rice, now that she has a stick, what can we expect?

RICHARD CLARKE: I think you can expect much more integration of Treasury, State Department, CIA, Justice Department, assets -- not just DOD going it alone. I think you can expect a lot closer oversight, detailed, everyday oversight, milestones, goal posts, people being relieved if things don't happen. Condi Rice is a very nice person, but she's also a very tough manager.

JIM LEHRER: You think we will ... she will be more public, more visible -- and obviously more of a target as a result?

DaalderIVO DAALDER: No, not necessarily. This is a job you in fact want to do behind closed doors. You want to be able to set those benchmarks out there and tell Don Rumsfeld and Colin Powell you have to meet these within the next three months or otherwise there is a price to pay. She doesn't have to go outside to make that work. But she was to be able to crack the whip as somebody said in the Washington Post and make sure when Don Rumsfeld is told he has to do this in three months he does it.

JIM LEHRER: She can crack the whip you think?

RICHARD CLARKE: I've seen her do it --

JIM LEHRER: You've seen her do it.

RICHARD CLARKE: -- and it's best done in private.

JIM LEHRER: I got you. Ivo Daalder, Richard Clark, thank you both very much.
---------endquote--------

PeterUK

"She leaked the Universities that taught the courses so Bush hired the Presidents of those Universities."

Hate to tell you this,but Universities advertise their courses,it is an odd system,but that,apparently,is how they get students.

narciso

Dozut, she was a Russian area expert, counseled by Dr. Korbel, Albright's father she wrote her dissertation on the Czech Army; as a Director with Chevron, while
at Stanford, she must have dealt with
Central Asian issues (Kazakhstan, this is
why Ali G. Borat act is not only not funny
but potentially dangerous, Azerbaijan, re
Armitage, Powell, Baker et al)As to the
nature for the July alert, some queries are in order; the Phoenix memo, can't be the source, since that never made it to wider
circulation; thanks to Marion 'Spike'
Bowman, The CTC didn't make Al Midhar and
Al Hazmi's presence known till the following
month; Moussaoui hadn't been caught yet, Al Quahtani, hadn't flown to Orlando yet, The
"Path to 9/11" implies that Massoud may have
been the major source, a point alluded to
in Lawrence Wright's tome, among other sources; Volz, the lone Company man in Hamburg, didn't know what he was dealing with; he and the BND thought Zammar, was the main prize. They did pass the name of an intercept to 'Marwan' from Yemen, but that wasn't distinctive, As has been pointed out before; the August PDB is actually much less specific than the
December 1998 one; later there would be
the "Big Wedding" warning from the Jordan.
Mukharabat, but that would also lie in the
future. So where did this information really come from? and why is is being brought up now.

mark c.

It would be an interesting study to determine the political efficacy of arguing every issue until common ground is lost. who wins? the incumbent or the challenger?

topsecretk9

Hey Narc and Duz...

what's the bottomline and what is the "movie"?

Terrye

Are these people, Tenet and Clarke and all the rest of them ever going to shut up? year after year...book after book.

I think everyone is to blame.

section9

More ass-covering from the gang that couldn't shoot straight at the CIA. I'm sorry, but Tenet had a face-to-face with GW any time he wanted.

Right, blame it on Condi.

Folks, this is Woodward trying to burnish his credentials with the Dhimmis because he wants to gain entree into a potential Hillary Administration in 2009. That's all this is about. Oh, that and this books publication was brought forward because the Dhimmis have been looking at their internals and haven't been happy. So, they brought forward this book by several weeks.

The Foley (R-Cornholio) thing was icing on the cake for them. However, there's a decent chance that Negron can hold the district for Red Team.

But please, stop with this crap about Rice that Woodward made up out of whole cloth. Rice's denials have been blanket enough to be convincing for me. Besides, I wouldn't trust CIA's word against a Republican President these days as far as I could throw it.

Florence Schmieg

section 9, absolutely right!! This book was mea culpa from Woodward to the dems in case they get back power. He must have access, that is his claim to fame. His first Bush book proclaimed Bush a hero. His second one was thought by those who did not read it to be bad for Bush but actually was good for him, showing him strong, resolved, etc. So this was his last chance to join the 15,000 other Bush bashing books and regain his friends, especially after he blew their fantasy of an indictment of Rove, Cheney, et al in the Plame affair by "outing" Dick Armitage. All of this is pointless actually. People's minds will not be changed by this book. We have been arguing these things for three years. If you haven't formed an opinion yet you are one of the people who cannot name the 3 branches of government but can name the 3 stooges. Doubt that they are midterm voters.

Tom Maguire

Hi Tom. Ever feel like you were returning serves from six different people at one time?

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