David Corn Has A List Of Names...

David Corn disgraces the left by channeling Joe McCarthy as he explains that the left will only stand up for the privacy rights of their allies:

There's a list going around. Those disseminating it call it "The List." It's a roster of top-level Republican congressional aides who are gay.

...I have a copy. I'm not going to publish it. For one, I don't know for a fact that the men on the list are gay. And generally I don't fancy outing people--though I have not objected when others have outed gay Republicans, who, after all, work for a party that tries to limit the rights of gays and lesbians and that welcomes the support of those who demonize same-sexers.

Mr. Corn's position on outing Republicans is clear enough but he does not explicitly state a position on the merits of outing gay Democrats.  However - if he had any journalistic integrity at all he would have to be opposed to "stealth advocacy".  A black man arguing for "black" issues does not need to separately declare his personal stake in the discussion, nor does a woman discussing "women's issues".

But surely Mr. Corn agrees that it is unseemly to advocate for gay issues under the pretense of having been swayed by force of argument when, in fact, the advocate is touting his own self-interest.  So presumably Mr. Corn, troubled as he is by closeted Republican gays, is equally troubled by closeted Democratic gays.

Or maybe not.  Let's go back to Mr. Corn:

Let's be clear about one thing: the Mark Foley scandal is not about homosexuality. Some family value conservatives are suggesting it is. But anytime a gay Republican is outed by events, a dicey issue is raised: what about those GOPers who are gay and who serve a party that is anti-gay?  Are they hypocrites, opportunists, or just confused individuals? Is it possible to support a party because you adhere to most of its tenets--even if that party refuses to recognize you as a full citizen?

Let's be clear as mud - the Foley scandal is not about homosexuality but it would not be unreasonable to out gay Republicans in response to it.  Can anyone follow that?  I would suggest the outing of those who are abusing their power but that logic may be too linear for someone from the reality based community.

I also love this evasion of responsibility - "anytime a gay Republican is outed by events".  No, David, it won't be "events" that post that list, it will be activist Democrats trying to win an election.  Hope that helps your understanding.  A likely candidate would be Mike Rogers of BlogActive.com, who has spent years outing gay Republicans and whose current fund raising appeal says this:

Please help me with this effort. We have five weeks to save our nation from these right wing homophobes in the closet -- and there are more in Congress!

As to "What about those GOPers who are gay and who serve a party that is anti-gay?", well, what about those GOPers who favor lower taxes (and happen to be gay), or who favored a robust national defense in the Reagan era (and happened to be gay), or who favor gun owner's rights (and happen to be gay), or for some other reason don't fit themselves neatly into the special interest group boxes drawn up by earnest Democratic strategists?

Or what about GOPers who were put off by Bill Clinton's "Don't ask, don't tell" debacle or by Clinton's signing of the "Defense of Marriage Act", or by John Kerry's insistence that his position on gay marriage did not differ from Bush's?  Are they allowed to think that maybe the Dems are more talk than action, and that other issues are more important?  Does David Corn really agree with 100% of the Democratic Party platform?

This is the current state of the left - sexual privacy rights for their political opponents are trumped by a desire for power.

Mark Kleiman and Ted Barlow were quite clear on this issue two years ago.  An excerpt:

The right answer to that question [of sexuality], from anyone except a potential sexual partner, is “None of your f—-ing business.”

I really, really disapprove of gay-baiting, even if the gays being baited hold disgusting political positions. And I thought that attitude was part of the definition of liberalism.

We will see whether any Dems speak out against this now, although with an election to be won I am not optimistic.

MORE:  Ahh, Plan B - Josh Marshall is pretending that it is Republicans who are going to out these gay Republican staffers, and Kevin Drum is playing along.

That is quite a working theory - a group of evangelical Reps, outraged by the gays in their midst, worked up a list of gay Republican staffers ands then leaked it to their natural ally, David Corn.  Mr. Corn then choked back his abhorrence at this sexual McCarthyism and penned a few paragraphs rationalizing their effort.  Uh huh.  Can I guess the rest - some lefty blogger will print it "just to show us what awful tricks those crazy House Republicans are up to".  Please.

Personally, I figure that since there are Dem activists who do this routinely, my money is there.

But we have nothing to fight about since we all agree this is awful.  And since Josh Marshall and Kevin Drum think "The List" will be coming from Republicans, I encourage them to denounce the concept unequivocally and pre-emptively, as I am doing here.

If The List appears, they will be on record as having condemned it, and perhaps other Dems will join them.  And if it is the work of crazed evangelical Republicans, condemning it should be easy, yes?

I just know Dems will hurry to denounce this "List" and stand up for privacy rights for all gays, even Republican ones.

STRANGEST THING I EVER READ:  From Mark Schmitt at TPM Cafe:

But when it comes to Foley, this is a case where it is us liberals who have the absolute moral value: Don’t mess with kids sexually. Adults must not mess with kids, people in positions of authority should not mess with kids. It’s not about the legal line or the age of consent in Florida or DC. It’s morality: Fifty-two year olds must not mess with 16 year olds. Remember that rule and all this complexity falls away. Don’t tolerate people who mess with kids, gay or straight. Not complicated. As Robert George would say, it’s "foundational." If you know that basic rule, and don’t hesitate to take action if people break it, or raise alarms if you suspect them of breaking it (as in, asking for a picture) then guess what?: Life gets a little simpler. Gays can be Scoutmasters because, like any other Scoutmaster, they know that you don’t mess with the kids. Straight men can be high school teachers of girls because they maintain that boundary, they treat it as a moral absolute. And so on.

On what planet?  Under my sun, Democrat Gerry Studds was censured by the House in 1983 for having sex with a seventeen year old page; the voters of Massachusetts sent him back to Congress for years thereafter.

And more recently, Bill Clinton commuted the sentence of Mel Reynolds, who was "serving a seven-year sentence for corruption and having sex with a 16-year-old campaign worker."

[That Clinton-Reynolds pardon from USA Today is misleading, apparently - try this:

Reynolds resigned from Congress in 1995 after a state court convicted him of sexual misconduct with a 16-year-old campaign volunteer. He served 2 1/2 years in prison for the crime. Two years later Reynolds was sentenced to a 6 1/2-year prison term on federal corruption charges, including wire fraud and bank fraud.

In November 1999 the former Rhodes scholar wrote a letter to Clinton and asked to be released from prison to a halfway house so that he could earn money for his family.

So Clinton pardoned a sex offender, but not for the sex offense.  Got it.

Snopes has a bit as well.]

Moral absolute.  Absolutely.

UPDATE:  I am guided to evidence of Dems with both a brain and a conscience:

"We're getting into very dangerous territory, and I've warned my colleagues to be careful." That's what a Democrat leadership aide was saying on Wednesday, as word circulated about David Corn's blog posting that revealed that a list of gay Republicans congressional staffers was circulating through emails.

Such a list has been talked about for months, if not years, by more militant homosexual activists, who have threatened to out Republican congressional staffers or even congressmen if they take positions counter to their gay lifestyle.

..."If that list is made public, all of the political gains we've made in the past 96 hours get flushed down the toilet," says the leadership aide.

I apologize - this may not be evidence of a conscience at all. just a recognition that as a pragmatic matter this is dumb idea for Dems.  But one can hope.

And one can wonder - why, if the list is coming from the homophobic right, would it reflect badly on Democrats?

Comments

[topsecretk9]

Why in the world does Rogers and the left care whether or not Drudge is gay? Seriously, what a bunch of prigs.

[norm d'plume]

taken Mr. Hay's words out of context and put them in to a much slimier context,

Kind of like how your ilk are portraying the initial innocuous e-mails.

[Enlightened]

Ok - Did y'all here this one:

This is Rovian, righ-wing generated plot to prove the point that the internet must be monitored. They outed a known gay in their midst to coverup the plot to generate more publicity for the evil internet, and evil internet users.

STG.

[BTW]

It's amazing to come back to this site after 20 hours and find you are still trying to spin the same old thing.

Foley resigned! He was a huge liability. Do not be surprised if kids, pages or not, start popping up to tell of far more lurid activities.

The best thing the repugs can do is jettison anyone connected with this mess. If they don't do so now they will not be able to control the damage done by what is to come.

Smoke --> Fire. Any questions?

[Sara (Squiggler)]

Well anonymous, it hasn't swayed me and I'm certainly neither a have or a have more. I'm flat ass broke, they are about to take my house, I'm disabled, have no income, I've exhausted my savings meant to see me thru retirement, and in another few weeks I'll be blogging on wireless from my car. So don't tell me about the haves and have mores. If you care so much, go donate something to my tip jar and maybe I'll get to eat for the rest of the month. Yeah, didn't think you would.

[Rick Ballard]

Corn is just pimping hits for Blogactive. PajamsMedia must be so proud to have such a principled progressive on their team.

[Enlightened]

***generate more publicity** to the fact that the evil internet, and evil internet users need to be monitored more closely.

Gawd. I'm about done for the day.

[anonymous]

my "ilk" ... that has to be my very favorite Republican-ism. I know it's supposed to sound dismissive and demeaning, but it just sounds funny

[Sue]

The only question I have is where is the infamous plan that the democrats have been promising since last December? They very well may win both houses and never reveal their plan.

[Rick Ballard]

"Seriously, what a bunch of prigs."

I think you misspelled that.

[sbw]

Ooh! If there's an investigation, can we have a perjury trap?

[anonymous]

Sara, I think you may have mistaken me for one of them "bleeding- heart liberals." (Not that I believe a word of your tale of woe.) But, rattling the old tip jar and crying wolf worked for Jeff Goldstein. I understand he's moving into his brand new home as we type.)

[Enlightened]

Well I think Drudge was put on The List, today roughly 6 seconds after he blew Edmunds prank......payback - it's a bitch.

[anonymous]

Who needs a plan when the opposing party keeps tripping over their own dicks?

[BTW]

Verner

Lets and these to your list:

(4) How many of these "older men" were US congressmen?

(5) What are their names?

[topsecretk9]

--The only question I have is where is the infamous plan that the democrats have been promising since last December?--

Sue, what we are witnessing is ALL they have to offer...

[MayBee]

David Corn- I won't print the list, but I'll make sure everyone knows when it's printed!!

Disgusting.

[Jane]

So Mike Rogers thinks that people should lead with their sexuality. He clearly thinks that is one's most important characteristics. He wants to look at someone and know what it is they do in bed, because apparently that trumps every other factor in their lives.

Mike Rogers sound like the biggest homophobe on the planet to me.

[anonymous]

By tomorrow, people in Washington will be miffed if they weren't on "the List."

[Patton]

Ohh yeah, we misunderstood poor harry Hay,

http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/other_stories/documents/02511115.htm

"He was, at times, a serious political embarrassment, as when he consistently advocated the inclusion of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) in gay-pride parades.""

Gee, anonymous, any idea what NAMBLA is and why pelosi is marching with an advocate of NAMBLA??

[SlimGuy]

Something interesting has been brought to my attention. The Blogactive site has posted a version of The List--or a list.

+++++++++++++

Blogactive has had the list on the left column of the page for a year, it is a running list of those he has already outed ....
NOT a list of outings to be

[anonymous]

Wait. Better idea. Every Republican Congressman and Senator, and every administration official and White House staffer should add their names to "the List," and publish it on government web sites, as a show of solidarity with their Gay Brethren, ... their Political Bedfellows (so to speak.)

[Sara (Squiggler)]

Yikes! House approves 4 dozen subpoenas!

[Sue]

Top,

They have nothing to offer. Which is why they are keeping their plan to themselves. Until after they are elected.

[topsecretk9]

ACE of spades...

--Update: IP of StopSexualPredators Admin ID'd As Coming From Royal Oak, Michigan

An anonymizer? Perhaps. But Tommy just paid to get the full SiteMeter service, and now has the full IP of the StopSexualPredators blogger.

I won't reveal the IP (that would, I guess, be outing) but it does route to Royal Oak, Michigan.

See below post to read how Tommy/MikeZ trapped the SSP admin with a couple of dummy blogs.

What does this mean? Not sure. Trouble is, I'm guessing just about everyone who is anybody at C.R.E.W. lives in DC, not Michigan.

If anyone can figure out a way to carry the ball further, let me know.

It could be someone connected with a congressional Democratic staff, or it could be a former page who lives in Michigan, or a lot of different possibilities. Not really sure how anyone can pin it down.

One can find that this or that person lives in Royal Oak, but how do you prove that's not just a coincidence?

Riehl World Says Royal Oak Is Part of John Conyers' District..--

[anonymous]

Come on, Patton, you're a Republican. You know all about the Big Tent concept. You'd have no problem marching hand in hand with George Allen and Trent Lott.

Seriously, you know, don't you? that Nancy Pelosi is not supportive of NAMBLA. So why suggest it?

[anonymous]

Blogactive has had the list on the left column of the page for a year, it is a running list of those he has already outed ....
NOT a list of outings to be

Posted by: SlimGuy | October 05, 2006 at 05:50 PM

Are you suggesting that "topsecretk9," our plucky cub reporter and "fearsome blogger" got it wrong? This could be a scandal of ABC/CBS/Reuters proportions. Alert the blogsphere!

[anonymous]

Maybe Ace can send his buddy "WickedPinto" out to Royal Oak, Michigan with a baseball bat and he can beat it out of whoever the hell happens to be there.

[Rick Ballard]

It's the Corn pimping of the Blogactive list that fits the thread. Did Corn just pull his head out today and notice it? Or is he just linking to provide his bosom buddies a few hits to the tip jar. 'Cause they really made need some cash soon. Even cheap lawyers ain't cheap.

[Terrye]

anonymous:

Considering the fact that I was a Demcorat for most of my adult life but was run out of the party by people like you I think that remark about alienating the base is really kind of stupid.

Tell you what, at the next Democratic National Convention why not invite Noam Chomsky to sit next to that senile old commie Carter and they could do a little stand up routine about how America sucks.

[SlimGuy]

no not at all , she cut and pasted breaking news

the news source got it wrong

[Terrye]

Sara:

I have never liked Malkin, the woman is sn hysterical trouble maker.

[verner]

Verner

Lets and these to your list:

(4) How many of these "older men" were US congressmen?

(5) What are their names?

yep, that's where we are! Courtesy of the progressive left!

[topsecretk9]

---Are you suggesting that "topsecretk9," our plucky cub reporter and "fearsome blogger" got it wrong? This could be a scandal of ABC/CBS/Reuters proportions. Alert the blogsphere!

Posted by: anonymous | October 05, 2006 at 05:57 PM--

Chances are high, since I read it on David Cornholio's blog-fll of shit.

Cornhole

--Something interesting has been brought to my attention. The Blogactive site **has** posted a version of The List--or a list. It contains the names of members of Congress, Bush aides, celebrities and others in addition to Capitol Hill staffers.--

[Contributor from Michigan]

I've been following the story here for about a week. Regarding the Royal Oak IP. I found a web site that list all of the contributors for the 2004 Election. I'm not sure if this will help. It give you all of the names of those to Contributed and to What Party or organizaion from the 48073 zip code.
Royal Oak is also a College town and is part of Joe Knollenbergs District.
http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/michigan_royal_oak_48073.asp?cycle=04

[Terrye]

T:

As for the Time poll, well consider the source, it is Time and it shows that the media has done a good job of lying to the American people, per usual and what is more I would imagine the people who said they were not going to vote for GOP because of this, probably were not going to vote for them anyway.

After all if Clinton and Studds can win elections then how much can sexual scandals matter?

[norm d'plume]

Nancy Pelosi is not supportive of NAMBLA.

Cite?

Are you supportive of NAMBLA, anonymous?

[verner]

Hey, I've got an idea. Why don't we have "I'm on the List" buttons made up--and each and every one of us wear one.

Kind of like the people in Denmark under the Nazis who all wore stars of David in solidarity with their fellow Jewish citizens.

[Jane]

Nancy Pelosi is not supportive of NAMBLA.

Of course she is. But that's only one of the reasons why she won't take a lie detector test. Folks in the mob get antsy about that sort of stuff.

[anonymous]

Terrye, it sounds more like you ran out of the Democrat party on your own. And if you believe President Carter is a Communist, it probably wouldn't be a good idea for you to sit next to Professor Chomsky; you wouldn't understand a word he said.

[Sue]

I wonder why ABC is not interested in finding all pages that have been sexually harrassed by members of Congress? Why just Foley? Why don't they put up a tip line that asks for any page to come forward? Would it screw up their story if a page came forward that had been sexually harrassed by a democrat?

[anonymous]

Right Wing errand-girl trusts a blog run by David Corn, a long-time writer for the Nation ...

I'm just sayin' ...

[Sue]

I saw a quote from a democratic strategist today where he said democrats are sweating this out. They are getting too far out there (don't you like that line, where have we heard it before?) because they will likely be drawn into the scandal. I don't think he meant because they withheld emails.

[MayBee]

I'm trying to decide if I completely belive the prank story. Sure, it could have been just a prank. On the other hand, if a kid had wondered if he had an attraction to men and then he decided he didn't want to go there, he'd still say it was a prank when his private IMs got exposed by someone else.

I mean, I don't want to be an outer either, but if you search loraditchm, matt's sign-in at the page board, you come up with some....varied interest websites that he's recently unsubscribed to.

Regardless, I still don't buy the 17-year olds as victims angle.
Even the FFF guy making the round. He makes it pretty obvious he was happy to correspond if it would help his political career.

[anonymous]

Hey, I've got an idea. Why don't we have "I'm on the List" buttons made up--and each and every one of us wear one.

Kind of like the people in Denmark under the Nazis who all wore stars of David in solidarity with their fellow Jewish citizens.

Posted by: verner | October 05, 2006 at 06:12 PM

A really good development of an idea I already posted.

[SlimGuy]

Pelosi around a lie detector

Heck at 30 feet away she would turn it into and IED

[anonymous]

Are you still beating your your wife, norm?

[anonymous]

Sorry about the stutter. (It comes and goes.)

[topsecretk9]

--plucky cub---

::woof::

[MayBee]

I don't think he meant because they withheld emails.

Sue, I've seen it said several places many members of Congress were on a "watch closely" list. Improper sexual behavior is not a partisan thing, which is why I'm sorry that's what this has been turned into. It also comes in many forms, as you said.

[Enlightened]

Hey All - AJ reports that Paula Zahn has more info out re: the Email page recipient - FBI investigated previously and found no merit. Seems like the CREW docs look to be indeed manipulated! Yikes - Go take a looksee -

[clarice feldman]

********According to the Washington Post Thursday, at a recent sold-out Empire State Pride Agenda dinner, gender-bending 'auctionatrix' Sybil Bruncheon was auctioning off "a lovely matching set of Biarritz leather chairs. There's a big one and a little one, she helpfully points out, 'perfect for those of you in the Man-Boy Love Association!'

The reference was to the North American Man-Boy Love Association, a.k.a. "NAMBLA," that advocates "consensual" sex between aging men and little boys — what, in other words, is commonly considered rape. Hillary has, of course, not expressed any outrage about or discomfort with this bit of humor.

Lazio spokesman McLagan continues: "It's part of a pattern: Mrs. Clinton has a history of sitting idly by while her supporters say outrageous things. If she can't stand up to her liberal Hollywood pals on something like child molestation, how can she stand up for New York in the Senate?"

No one in the press has yet followed up on the story, even though the Hillary-Lazio race is the most closely dissected campaign in the nation. Conservatives chalk it up as yet one more example of the media's double standard when it comes to high-stakes political races.

If this happened at a Lazio event, says New York State Conservative Party chairman Mike Long, "there would be outrage. The Times would be writing editorials, editorials would be in Newsday, columnists from the liberal media would be attacking him."

So far, only silence.
http://www.nationalreview.com/nr_comment/nr_comment102700b.shtml

[anonymous]

One thing that I am fairly sure will happen is there will be a flood of people coming out, pointing fingers in every direction, accusing anyone in Congress who stands still long enough of some sort of sexual abuse.

The longer this story goes on, the wilder the sideshow will get.

[anon]

Question for the regulars here - how often does Mr Maguire fumigate the place? It's getting rather nasty.

[anonymous]

Gee, Mother Feldman, can't you take a joke?

[anonymousf]

I love the internet.

It's so easy to take cheap potshots at every one of you under a dozen different names and you're still stupid enough to treat me seriously and respond.

Suckers!

[Enlightened]

Just ignore the vermin, they tend to die off regularly, alas only to return with a bright and shiny new name...

[SlimGuy]

I still haven't heard anyone claim this is GW's fault.

Did someone loose their talking points

What's da deal?

[Sue]

how often does Mr Maguire fumigate the place?

Very seldom. And that is fine with most of us. You don't want an echo chamber unless you post at FDL, Scary's place or other left leaning blog sites. The only one I've visited that doesn't censor, delete or ban is EW's place. I give her kudos for that.

[anonymous]

Patience, SlimGuy, patience.

[topsecretk9]

So the FBI says Crew flubbed the Emails and StopPredFakeRoyalOaks has complete FUBARED copies...what is it with the left and fake paperwork?

[SlimGuy]

Suckers!

Posted by: anonymousf

JB do you expect us to believe that stuff

[jukeboxgrad]

Last post by Dave on this thread today: October 05, 2006 at 11:22 AM

First post by anonymous on this thread today: October 05, 2006 at 11:24 AM

Will any of the supersleuths solve the case?

[anonymous]

C.R.E.W. says the F.B.I. is wrong. They sent unredacted, full copies of the E-mails to the agency.

But it sounds like you are saying the "Foley E-mails" are fake. Are you?

[norm d'plume]

...trusts a blog run by David Corn, a long-time writer for the Nation ...

I'm just sayin' ...

What was that t. s. eliot quotation you posted above? I suspect her intention is similar.

[anonymous]

jukeboxgrad:

Coincidence? (But let me guess, you don't think Oswald acted alone, right?)

[Sue]

Will any of the supersleuths solve the case?

What's the matter? Not getting enough attention? ::grin::

[Specter]

When people lie they tell a lot about themselves, and should not be trusted. Anonymous claimed to be "apoliitical" which means:

1. having no involvement or interest in politics. 2. having no political significance

Since we know that anonymous is a partisan-troll-hack, we know he did not mean the first definition.....

[SlimGuy]

Will any of the supersleuths solve the case?

Howard Dean wasted all the dems cash reserves

So there was only one keyboard for them to share...and watching them play switch would be so much fun!

[Enlightened]

Right:

CREW being the lawful citizens they are went to the FBI, but FBI says oopsy, fake but accurate, now CREW says FBI is lying.

OK, now where exactly is the FBI going to benefit in this fiasco, by LYING about CREW?

This has gone from pathetic to laughable.

[anonymous]

I asked Mother Feldman that question earlier, Sue; but she just got all huffy and stormed out.

[norm d'plume]

Are you still beating your your wife, norm?

strawman much?

[sbw]

Clarice, the date for that Hillary article should be listed. It was in 2000. That's when Lazio was running.

[SlimGuy]

The Koskiddies and The Dudummies are going balistic.........even for them

but of course they are declaring a moral victory

[anonymous]

1. having no involvement or interest in politics. 2. having no political significance
Since we know that anonymous is a partisan-troll-hack, we know he did not mean the first definition.....

Posted by: Specter | October 05, 2006 at 06:43 PM

Notice the word "or" in definition 1. Since I have no involvement in American politics, then the definition does suit me quite well.

And you are assuming that I am "a partisan-troll hack" (whatever that may be) because you are afflicted by a common mental disorder known as "linear thinking."

[T Miller]

Were the emails CREW provided the FBI redacted? Or was the FBI spokesperson misinformed?

I guess we are all supposed to side with the FBI and Justice on this one. Even though it is agreed that they got it wrong on Plame/Wilson.

[SlimGuy]

Google News has noting on their main page about Foley

If you search on Foley noting about the prank issue

[anonymous]

Enlightened, the F.B.I. did not describe the E-mails sent to them by CREW as "fake but accurate." You really should read the news reports before commenting.

[SlimGuy]

Must have been a bad story for Reuters,
nothing to photoshop

[anonymous]

I don't think the F.B.I. agrees that they got it wrong on "Plame/Wilson."

[Enlightened]

Bwahhahhhhhahhhhh. FBI - can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em.
FBI says CREW docs good - FBI good.
FBI say CREW docs bad - FBI bad.

Boy Howdy this case has shone a spotlight on LeftThink. There is no there - there.

[clarice feldman]

As I understand it the emails provided hadn't the page's name nor the name of the staff person who provided them to CREW (A J Strata)

SBW--take it up with NR..I just cited them and quoted them.

And are you suggesting that it was okay to laugh at NAMBLA in 2000?

Newsbusters compares ABC's coverage of the Frank scandal with their coverage of Foley.

http://newsbusters.org/node/8119

[anonymous]

Enlightened, the F.B.I. said the E-mails sent by CREW to the agency were too heavily redacted for them to see anything to investigate.
CREW says no, they sent unredacted, full, clean copies of the E-mails to the F.B.I. At this time, the question is unresolved.

[Isn't it always OK to laugh at NAMBLA?]

[clarice feldman]

Congressional hearing report on Studds.

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/excerpts-from-the-congressional-report-on-gerry-studds

[T Miller]

The FBI should clear this up. (1) Either the emails were heavily redacted or they were not and (2) either the FBI asked follow-up questions that were not answered, or there were no unanswered questions.

The FBI made these 2 points, so the ball is in their court. This shouldn't be difficult to clarify.

[anonymous]

You know, if the plan is to rifle the archives to find scandals to distract from the Foley Follies, why not go to the fountainhead?
Let's dig up Jack Kennedy. Lots to work with there.

[Enlightened]

Backpedal. Backpedal. Backpedal.

tap....tap....tap....where's Beetlejuice when you need him.

[anonymous]

No, that won't work. Isn't Kennedy supposed to be some kind of proto-Neo-Con now?

[lurker]

mac ranger says there is a developing story that he discovered and doing more investigating. He's forwarding his findings to FBI but cannot comment more on it.

Interesting!

[larwyn]

Allah just linked to this - read it all
Human Rights Campaign Involved in Gay GOP Witchhunt
Posted by GayPatriot at 8:10 pm - October 5, 2006.

David Corn, who said he would never publish the names on “The List”, seems to be outing by dribbles now. He has already named a name, proving he is a hypocrite.

But in a stab to the heart of every gay and lesbian who gives a dime to the shameless money-grubbers, Corn drops this bombshell from a post earlier today:

I’ve received several requests for The List (see below), but I haven’t passed it on. And a few emails have come in with the same sort of query: is So-and-So who works for Senator So-and-So on the list? I haven’t answered such questions. But a reporter told me that The List is in other hands. He was told by an official at the Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights lobby, that it had a copy. The HRC official refused to talk about it, though.

According to our critics here, the liberal party line is that it is Republicans outing gay Republican staffers on Capitol Hill. But as of now there have only been three entities claiming to actually have “The List.”:

Liberal Gay Outing Activists Who Have Been Compiling The List For Years Liberal columnist David Corn Liberal gay rights organization Human Rights Campaign .

I don’t see a Republican among them. The only Republicans talking about the list are terrified GOP staffers, again according to Corn….

Read it all.

[Sara (Squiggler)]

Doesn't anyone want to speculate about who got those 4 dozen (48) subpoennas that the House approved today? I'd like to know who is on their list.

[Rick Ballard]

"The Koskiddies and The Dudummies are going balistic.........even for them"

Maybe they're arguing about whether Zogby showing Lieberman up 20 over Unready Neddy is an outlier. I think it is - Rasmussen only has him up 10.

Such clever people.

[Semanticleo]

Could all this be Rove's Ocotber surprise?

[sbw]

Clarice: And are you suggesting that it was okay to laugh at NAMBLA in 2000?

No I just didn't want Dave to call you a liar. ;-)

[sbw]

BTW, NR comment date for that cite was: 10/27/00 3:45 p.m.

[Terrye]

anonymous:

I think the point is to remind self righteous Democrats that they are in no position to judge others, but obviously that is lost on them.

There is something so unattractive about a vulture on road kill.

[clarice feldman]

Picky, picky, Rick.

The nutroots are about to prove how valable they are to the party. Just as HRC destroys itself forever and shows us how all these "rights" groups are Dem shills with defined messages and no principles.

[JM Hanes]

anonymous:
"Now, why don't you give some thought to how I mean that."

jukeboxgrad:
"Will any of the supersleuths solve the case?"

Does Jeff have sock puppets? Does anybody really care?

[SlimGuy]

Hot air has a video of Rosie Odonnels sex scene on Nip and Tuck

Any bolemics in the house who haven't do a lunch takeout today and need inspiration!

[Terrye]

How can anyone watch Rosie? The woman is obscene.