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October 12, 2006

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Patton

I thought Kerry was very clear at the time about why he was voting for the resolution.

I thought he was very clear in 1998 when he urged the bombing of Iraq.

I thought he was clear when he voted for the Iraq Liberation Act.

Just when did it all become so unclear?

bill

You don't get to call a mulligan when sending troops into battle, no matter how much you whine. Unprincipled yeah. a leader not a chance. Might just be why he is whining and not President today.

I guess he wants all his WMD speeches back as well.

Javani

How about your vote on the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act John? Ted K. didn't vote for it, you did.

Patton

I think the lefts problem is they liked fighting the Clinton war against the Iraqi people when they didn't have to see the dead body counts every day.
When it was just the innocent Iraqis that were dying due to sanctions and proping up Saddam Hussein.

Toby Petzold

I like how Kerry makes the distinction "my life in public service."

I guess that precludes his meetings with the Viet Cong in France during the Viet Nam War.

RichatUF
...There's nothing - nothing - in my life in public service I regret more, nothing even close...

Maybe something like testimony in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee...no, no it is his involvement with WSI...Kerrey the gift that keeps on giving. I wonder how much DGSE knows about him...(American Paranoid Style, Krugman line 2)

RichatUF

/drinking

RichatUF

Just when did it all become so unclear?

It became unclear [Kerrey's "principled" Clinton era stance] when the Oil-For-Food program was about to be exposed. The "wrongness" of his position became clear when the more egreious members of the Axis of Evil were about be uncovered...

tell those f'cking professors to write a paper called the Saudi Lobby-but we might find a few FSO's and retired military an CIA on theat payroll

/drinking (and sorry to be crabby, but for some reason I'm ticked off)

RichatUF

RichatUF

opps...Kerrey=Kerry

/spellcheck

RichatUF

Dale in Atlanta

Tom: very big of you, and I'll follow your example, and confess too:

I admit it, John Kerry was wrong; his vote for the Iraq War Resolution was not about putting a dreadful dictator out of power, it was all about making up for his traitorous and seditionist past; and to try and obfruscate the fact that he's surrendered, or advocated surrender, every single time he's run up against a challenge in his life; it was an attempt to hide his blantant hate for his own country, and his own Leftist roots; it was a capricious, calculated, pre-meditated gamble, to take advantage of the prevailing political climate, like EVERY single decision he's ever made in his life, from joining the Navy, to asking for River Boat duty in Nam, to sensing the anti-war movement, and scamming his medals to get out of Nam, to return home and help head the anti-war movement, to his blatant lies before the US Congress, to throwing his medals "away"; to his traitorous and illegal trips to Paris to "negotiate" with the NVA/VC, and his same trick later on with the Sandinistas; at every turn, John Kerry can be counted on, to do what is the absolute WORST for his country, in order to make himself look good!

I confess, and admit, John Kerry is a liar, a fraud, and a traitor!

Whew! Glad I got that off my chest; it feels good to confess, and admit that you were wrong!

I should do this more often; I'll start with Bill & Hillary next....I'll confess and admit THEIR sins later...

RichatUF

re Patton:

I think the lefts problem is they liked fighting the Clinton war against the Iraqi people ...

The left liked the Oil-For-Food money. That the "secular" dictator Saddam Hussein was the provider, well that only enhanced his reputation during a Republican administration...

/infomation op

RichatUF

RichatUF

"find a few FSO's and retired military an CIA on theat payroll" ==
"find a few FSO's, retired military, and retired CIA on THAT payroll"
/spellcheck

now back to drisking (to fisk while drinking)

RichatUF

RichatUF

seems quiet in here...hope I didn't scare anyone off

What is it about JK that ticks me off? Dale in ATL got a good start...

RichatUF

RichatUF

Re: DaleinATL
I confess, and admit, John Kerry is a liar, a fraud, and a traitor!

He's also the junior, sittting senator from Massachusetts...carrer guided...his handlers must be proud (and well rewarded)

/still crabby

RichatUF

Foo Bar

I agree with TM that Kerry's vote for the Iraq AUMF was probably largely motivated by political expediency.

I do not agree with the implication made by some commenters (and this is something I hear over and over again) that it is somehow inconsistent to have supported the Iraq Liberation Act of '98 but not to support the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

Was Reagan inconsistent because he supported the Contras but failed to invade Nicaragua with the U.S. military?

It is perfectly reasonable to consider it wise to support a country's opposition groups fighting against its current government and simultaneously consider it unwise to invade the country.

Section 8 of the Iraq Liberation Act states:


Nothing in this Act shall be construed to authorize or otherwise speak to the use of United States Armed Forces (except as provided in section 4(a)(2)) in carrying out this Act .

... and 4(a)(2) was military assistance and training of a value not to exceed $97 million.

RichatUF

re' FooBar

It is perfectly reasonable to consider it wise to support a country's opposition groups fighting against its current government...

Let's see...The INA coup plot and the INC armed insurrection failed by 1996...that the brilliant JK realized by 1998 that an airwar and sanctions were pointless, and the only thing that would remove the problem-a war to remove the Hussein regime in Baghdad- makes his vote a political calculation. The last article in the Act prevented any expenditure to go towards offensive operations, but it got the "Iraq issue" of the rront page and of CNN.

What a four hour broadcast from Prague was going to topple a Stalinist dictator who had been in power since 1979...JK-Super Genius

RichatUF

RichatUF

rront page and of CNN

...front page and off CNN...

someone take the keyboard

/don't drink and type

RichatUF

RichatUF

linkage

INA coup

INC insurrestion

Hussein bother-in-laws defect to Jordan. Spill the guts on Saddam's WMD...a Shitte-Kurdish group tries first, then a Sunni group tries...maybe the NCA (and our allies) should have been on the same page-instead of working at cross purposes to one another

RichatUF

Neo

This clearly puts Kerry at odds with the Clintons, as shown in this piece about the "Democracy Alliance."

A surprise guest at the meeting was Bill Clinton, whose agenda seemed to be protecting his wife. But things didn't work out quite as planned. When Guy Saperstein, a retired lawyer from Oakland, asked Clinton if Democrats who supported the war should apologize, the former President " went fucking ballistic," according to Saperstein. Forget Hillary, Clinton said angrily during a ten-minute rant; if I was in Congress I would've voted for the war. "It was an extraordinary display of anger and imperiousness," Saperstein says.
RichatUF

And before I go...

"Oil for Food" == "Axis of Evil" == al-Qeada+Supernote+AQ Khan

/American Paranoid Style

RichatUF

Daddy

Wonder of that vote was "Seared, Seared" into his memory?

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DaleinAtlanta

Please don't hide it with sugarcoating, tell us what you really think.

LOL

Dale in my humble opinion you need to start a blog or write a book.

You have knowledge and background that has been too long surpressed.

The MSM comments on the middle east with all the basis for credibility as Saturday Nite Live.

Your insights reflect reality.

Hopefully some will get this message to the forefront, but like you I know it would be fought tooth and nail.

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Patton


Foo says: ""I do not agree with the implication made by some commenters (and this is something I hear over and over again) that it is somehow inconsistent to have supported the Iraq Liberation Act of '98 but not to support the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

Was Reagan inconsistent because he supported the Contras but failed to invade Nicaragua with the U.S. military?""""

No, he wasn't, because Reagans policy was to counter Soviet expansion, not just in Nicaragua, but all around the world, like Afghanistan, Grenada, etc.

WHAT KERRY VOTED FOR WAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT POLICY, STATING THAT IT WAS THE US POLICY THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN HAD TO GO, THAT HE COULD BE TRUSTED, THAT HE COULDN'T BE NEGOTIATED WITH, THAT HE COULDN'T BE LEFT IN POWER.

Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 - Declares that it should be the policy of the United States to seek to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government.

Kerry cited the same reasons for his actiona/votes in all three instances. And was consistent with that reasoning for 6 years. So this was an issolate slip up, calculated vote. THIS WAS A VOTE ENTIRELY CONSISTENT WITH JOHN KERRY'S PAST 10 YEARS WITH REGARD TO IRAQ.

Patton

John Kerry's position now is like saying, I VOTED TO USE FOR TO OVERTHROW HITLER, BUT NOW I THINK IT WAS A BIG MISTAKE.

But we've found the mass graves, we've liberated the Iraq concentration camp, Mr Kerry.

Kerry now says the equivalent of it would be better to have Hitler back then to liberate Germany.

Patton

Kerry ACTUALLY called for the invasion of Iraq before Bush even took office:

The Boston Globe | February 23, 1998 | Aaron Zitner, Globe Staff

WASHINGTON -- Senator John F. Kerry, who began his public life as a Vietnam War protester, said yesterday that the United States should use ground troops to topple Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

Kerry, a potential presidential candidate in 2000, said sending US troops into Iraq should be "the last option, but it is a legitimate option."

The state's junior senator said President Clinton had not been tough enough in his measures to subdue the Iraqi president.

Because Iraq will try to rebuild its chemical and biological weaponry after a US air attack, "we will not eliminate the problem for ourselves or for the rest of the world with a bombing attack," Kerry said.

Kerry said his support for using ground troops put him "way ahead of the commander in chief, and I'm probably way ahead of my colleagues, and certainly of much of the country. But I believe this."


KERRY BELIEVED IN TOPPLING SADDAM BY USING AN INVADING GROUND ARMY ALL THE WAY BACK IN 1998..LONG EBFORE THE EVIL BUSH CAME TO WASHINGTON.


Patton

Foo says:
""I agree with TM that Kerry's vote for the Iraq AUMF was probably largely motivated by political expediency. """

The FACTS PROVE the complete opposite. Kerry's vote was consistent with his long held beliefs that you can actaully read on the internat going back to 1998.

Kerry believed that only invading ground forces would end Saddams pursuit of WMD. He said in in early 1998 and was consistent.
He believed his policy of using invading ground troops was 'well ahead' of the rest of the crowd.

You could say John Kerry is the Father of the policy of using ground troops to topple Saddam.

Bob

Dale I think you said it all... Nice post!

I think what's happened with fools like JF'n K. is they still think their lies are secure with the MSM, but the Internet has changed all that. Kerry got into politics when you could say one thing today, and contradict it the next day... but if the press liked you, they would let it slide. Furthermore anyone who refuted such tactics, had no place to tell their story. However with the Internet, we now have too many ways of checking on the facts, and better yet, an efficient method at getting the real story told. The power of the MSM has been diminished by the Internet to the point where it seems we have another "Rathergate" every week. And Kerry is just too dumb or arrogant to have figured it out. This latest apology is just more proof he's totally irrelevant in today's world... and so I do hope he never shuts up! I just love watching the soap opera!


Patton

In fact, it would be much more accurate to say that John Kerry switching to oppose the war is much more due to political expedience.

If he was just going to stay a Massachusetts Senator, he would be safe no matter which position he took. He's got the money and name recognition to beat nearly anyone inhis home state.

But since he wants to be President, it is political expedient for him to go to the left to get the Democrat nomination and placate the liberal base of the party.

Dale in Atlanta

Patton: that's a very interesting track you're taking with Kerry; the article from the Boston Globe in '98 is really interesting!

SlimGuy: Sara over at Squiggler has invited me to Blog over there; I'm going to do it, but I've had a few personal issues that have cropped up, that have set back my time table!

Bob: yes, I've known about Kerry for 30 years; I am no fan, obviously!

I knew Navy Officers who were with the Small Boats in 'Nam; I served with them back in the '80's, before anyone nationally really even thought about Kerry; none of these people even joined the Swift Vets, but boy, did they have stuff to say about him!

I even remember reading about him back in Doonesbury, back in the 70's; frankly, I've despised him for 30years+.

It's frankly incredible to me, that a man who has violated US Law, http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000953----000-.html, on at least FOUR occasions, and deliberately by the way, is a sitting Senator in the United States Senate.

A man who while still on active duty in the United States Navy, was allowed to engage in political activities, contrary to the Government of the United States; a man who while still a Reserve Officer in the United States Navy, committed treason against his country, and his fellow military brothers in arms; a man who attended a meeting where the assassination of US Government Officials; a man who was Dishonorably Discharged from the United States Navy, was able to scam the system one more time, during the Horrific Jimmy Carter years, to get his Dishonorable Discharge upgraded, and to get his Silver Star Citation REWRITTEN, not Once, but TWICE!; this man, came within a Hairsbreath of the Presidency of the United States, and wants to try again!

It is just absolutely freaking incredible to me....

Dale in Atlanta

Sorry to change topics on you all, but you have to check this out:

The religion of "peace" is at it again:

http://www.aina.org/news/20061012004656.htm

Other Tom

So Kerry regrets this vote even more than he regrets committing all those war crimes in Vietnam?

PeterUK

Granny,
There seems to be a question mark over that whole comment

Patrick R. Sullivan

So, what does it say about America that nearly half of the voters in 2004 went for this deeply ridiculous character and his fantasy life?

Florence Schmieg

Will this nightmare that is John Kerry never end?? He is the most narcissistic phony I have ever seen, and that includes that other narcissist, Joe Wilson.

Dale in Atlanta

Patrick: it says:

"You can fool some of the people ALL the time, but not ALL the people, some of the time...."

or something like that....

Sadly...

maryrose

As far as Kerry is concerned Dale in Atlanta has nailed it. Kerry got too cute by half when he voted against funding the troops and their updated equipment. That vote cost him the election and his wishy washy answers on the Iraq war. I believe that is the vote he regrets the most. Kerry is a delusional human being-Gore has a better chance than he does. He can't fool the people anymore. Even Robin Williams on Hardball said yesterday that now is not the time for Hillary. He said there is still too much baggage from Bill.Hollywood types don't want Hil because she is for income redistribution.

Dale in Atlanta

Okay, I'm a dunce, how do you do that "trick" and make a word or phrase a Hyperlink to an article or other posting??

Pretty please...?

boris

<a href="URL">LABEL</a>

windansea

copy and paste actual link between the quotes, put what you want to name the link between the ><

Dale in Atlanta

Boris/Windansea: Thanks!

Ah, it's HTML code I think?

Alaska Jack

Mickey Kaus had what I thought was perhaps the most perceptive take on Kerry. He said that accusations that Kerry was an inconsistent flip-flopper were wrong. He said that, to the contrary, Kerry was absolutely, totally predictable: He is guaranteed to take, at any given moment, whatever position he considers most politically expedient at that moment.

- Alaska Jack

Old Dad

It seems that Senator Kerry confessed on the Maher show to having, using, needing only one stone.

Was it a war injury?

Rick Ballard

"Was it a war injury?"

Nah, Teresa's got the other one in her purse. If he screws up again...

Geek, Esq.

Go away, Big John. Just, go away.

Cecil Turner

The gift that keeps on giving.

Dale in Atlanta

I know it's a different topic, but I want to prove I'm a man of my word:

"United States now has preliminary evidence of radioactivity from North Korea's nuclear test ground, indicating it did indeed carry out a test, a U.S. official tells CNN... MORE... "

I said I would come back on this issue, and thus I have too:

My original take, on another post, and on several other Blogs, was that the NK's faked this "nuke" test; no radiation for a week, seemed to confirm it!

Anyway, regardless, it now appears that I was INCORRECT, and my "call" was wrong.

The above quote is from Drudge, with more to come!

My apologies....

asde

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Janet

I truly now believe that the Democrats will take over Congress.

I've spent my weekend reading some great books:

Great French War Heroes

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