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October 24, 2006

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topsecretk9

Isskoff out does himself with this title, really..."It puts the lotion on when it's told"...geez it's like Hannibal....

What’s for Dinner?
On the House Intelligence Committee, it’s a heaping plate of controversy.


...Oct. 25, 2006 - While reportedly under investigation for her ties to an influential pro-Israel lobbying organization, California Rep. Jane Harman last month hosted a private dinner for the group that was attended by two top Bush administration officials—Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte and Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff.

The Sept. 13 dinner took place at the home of Harman, the ranking Democrat on the House Select Committee on Intelligence, and was attended by over 120 top financial backers of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). The highlight of the evening was a panel discussion in which Harman played the host, questioning Negroponte and Chertoff about Mideast developments, international terrorism and homeland-security issues, according to an AIPAC official.

The dinner was hardly an unusual one for AIPAC. The group often arranges such elite pow-wows at the homes of senior members of Congress and government officials (one in the mid-1990s was hosted by then Vice President Al Gore) as a way for AIPAC to both demonstrate its political clout and to provide a perk for major donors.

...so when does Scowcroft finally eff Wilson? Is my question.

topsecretk9

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15419753/site/newsweek/

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Interesting to see the media klieg light a dinner party huh?

Gee, and here I thought they were vexed by the NSA calls. Silly me.

jack

Iraqi Premier Denies U.S. Assertion He Agreed to Timeline Maliki Also Criticizes Sadr City Raid

By John Ward Anderson
Washington Post Foreign Service

BAGHDAD, Oct. 25 -- Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki lashed out at the United States on Wednesday, saying his popularly elected government would not bend to U.S.-imposed benchmarks and timelines and criticizing a U.S.-Iraqi military operation in a Shiite slum in Baghdad that left at least five people dead and 20 wounded.


That was one big f___ you to Georgy the boy-man pres!

SlimGuy

TS9

That's another whole ball of wax but my link on that mess is the Turkish/American group who was hosting the dinner where Valarie met Joe.

There are bunches of power players associate with that group. It's membership reads like a who's who of past administrations.

clarice

SG, That's Washington. And nothing unusual.

MayBee

I didn't know if he meant literally knocking, or if he spotted someone viewing his blog.

He's quite a puzzler, our SOS blogger.

SlimGuy

American Turkish Council was the group

check out their website and members

http://www.americanturkishcouncil.org/


topsecretk9

Slim...

We be on the turkish crap like a year ago or more...

IN JOM archives I read a Cecil Turner circa 2003 that was marvelous. - Cecil really does RULE!!!!

SlimGuy

Maybee

One of the commentors at the SOS blog suggested that he subscribe to an open site meter so that everyone could have a look see at the traffic.

SlimGuy

Well sorry I wasn't here then but someone pointed this site out to me about the time the Foleygate stuff hit.

MayBee

SG- I read the Crist stuff. I note that the sources aren't actually from the Harris campaign, but sources say a former Harris campaign staffer told them he had sex with Crist.

The GOP staffer, 21-year-old Jason Wetherington, told friends at separate social functions in August that he had sex with Crist, according to two credible and independent sources who heard Wetherington make the claim first-hand.

In other words, the source says they overhead this guy telling friends he had sex with Crist.

topsecretk9

Slim...

No, not to be snotty...but no one here needs to be schooled.

---

--cryptic message to let someone know he knows something about him.

Posted by: MayBee | October 25, 2006 at 10:15--


SOS is playing with his subjects...like a cat with a ball of katnip.

SlimGuy

I have about 150 pages of notes on the Plame mess saved away. Need to organize and clean it up.

SlimGuy

TS9

No offense taken, sometimes I come across wrong from the way I intend to when I get rolling on an issue and I phrase things in a manner that I really did not intend to

SlimGuy

I used to have an excellent program for internet researching, but my CD was scratched up when I tried to install it on a new computer and when I tried to go back and get a replacement I found out it had been bought out by Microsoft and is only available now on Microsoft Live and they refuse to send CD's of the original program.

clarice

SG--I'm afraid that when people regularly throw out stuff on the board as fact when they are no more than suppositions--and far fetched suppositions--I stop reading them because they do not make it easier to track a story. They turn the discussion in fact to mush.

I'm tired and probably overly critical. If so, I apologize, but you know as well as I do that (a) SOS specifically referred to the media knocking on his door, and (b) in your last reference to what SOS said you left out that important bit, so (c) someone trying to pay attention would have to go back to find out what was actually said or be misled.

I also feel that it makes sense to stick to the essence of a story and not try to tie it into some unified theory that goes far afield,

topsecretk9
A federal judge gave the New York Times a brief reprieve from an order forcing it to identify confidential sources for columns about the 2001 anthrax attacks, but the paper could still face the possibility of being held in contempt of court as soon as tomorrow.

Judge Claude Hilton of Alexandria, Va., issued a two-day stay of a magistrate's order that would have required the Times to name the sources by yesterday. The order came in a libel suit filed by a former Army scientist, Steven Hatfill, who claims he was defamed by five columns written by Nicholas Kristof in 2002.

According to a lawyer involved in the dispute, Judge Hilton said yesterday that he was still reviewing whether the Times should be compelled to identify the sources. He told attorneys that he planned to rule on the issue by Friday.

But the Times suffered a setback yesterday when Judge Hilton upheld a magistrate's ruling denying its request to suspend action on the libel suit until the government completes its investigation into the anthrax mailings, which killed at least five people. While investigators searched a home and storage locker belonging to Mr. Hatfill, no criminal charges were brought.

The newspaper wanted to defend against the libel suit by gaining access to the records of the government probe, but the Justice Department has refused to cooperate. The magistrate assigned to the suit, Liam O'Grady, declined to force the disclosure of details of the investigation, which the FBI contends is ongoing.

http://www.nysun.com/article/42357

and so from that end comes another....


...A powerful Republican senator is adding his voice to a growing chorus of congressional critics who contend that the FBI may have botched its investigation of the anthrax-laden mailings that killed at least five people in 2001 and have not been solved.

Senator Grassley of Iowa wrote to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales late Monday demanding an update on the status of the probe and expressing frustration at a decision by the Justice Department and the FBI to stop briefing Congress about the investigation.

"How do they expect Congress to do our constitutional responsibility of oversight?" Mr. Grassley asked yesterday in an interview with The New York Sun. "Do they think we're not supposed to be part of the checks and balances anymore?"

Last month, the FBI refused a request from Rep. Rush Holt, a Democrat of New Jersey, for a briefing on the status of the probe. The agency said no further briefings would be offered to members of Congress because of press accounts that followed earlier briefings and cited congressional sources...

http://www.nysun.com/article/42249

SlimGuy

Clarice

The post that was up and then taken down specifically mentioned the media contacting him, the one you posted at AT

The other post still on the site titled my favorite visitors has the unspecified who came knockin today that I speculated about.

To separate issues and I thought I said it was speculation on my part.

Sorry to confuse it. But it is hard not to do some speculation for purposes of feedback to see if anyone else has something to counter the theory.

topsecretk9

..because of press accounts that followed earlier briefings and cited congressional sources...

because Wilson alerted everyone, leaking National Security and blabbing was A OK and no one would get in trouble...essentially.

clarice

ts--that's a good sign. It's the Executive telling Congress that if they want to see secret stuff they have to stop leaking.

SG-If you are referring to NEW material , perhaps you ought to say so and cite or quote it. It is getting quite impossible to follow what you are saying and where you are going.

SlimGuy

Clarice

Sorry for the confusion actually I cut and pasted the indefinite quote off the site and it is from a post of his prior to the one on AT about his warning, I should have reference the post title or given a link to clarify which post it was where I found the quote while going back over the site for hints.

topsecretk9

RICK

---MR. ROVE: Not that you would be exhibiting a bias or anything like that. You’re just making a comment.---

I SNICKER everytime I read this...thanks, you DID highlight it.


topsecretk9

Slim...

You are fine, but I think Clarice is right...it's fluid here, but most give a disclaimer on speculation here...otherwise it gets confusing.

MayBee

One more thing, SG:
Zack Stanton the ex page went there after the page program and the guy running the Istook campaign in Okla. that hired Jason Edmund also was a graduate of the same school.

Chip Englander, the campaign manager that hired Jordan Edmund is from California but graduated from University of Michigan (UofM). I know they are hard to keep straight unless you are a Big 10 person or a Michigander. Englander and Edmund were involved in SanDiego Republican politics together. Perhaps Istook's problem is that he was running against a very popular governor, and hired a relatively inexperienced campaign manager.

SlimGuy

TS9

Just made another connection

From the SOS blog

SSP: Come on, the offer stands, we can meet at Prontos.

Update: you won't believe who came a knockin' today! More later...

After a quick google guess what

http://www.prontos.topcities.com/

Which is a restaurant/bar in Royal Oak , Mi

So the SSP blog person and the SOS blog person both have to be near Royal Oak to have a meeting at a bar there.

Posted by: SlimGuy | October 25, 2006 at 06:04 PM


My speculation about the FBI later occurred

Another thing, that cryptic message on the SOS blog

SSP: Come on, the offer stands, we can meet at Prontos.

Update: you won't believe who came a knockin' today! More later...

+++++

He wants to meet with the SSP blogger at a bar in Royal Oak so they must both be local to there

But the part about knockin today sounds like he may have had a little visit from the FBI

Posted by: SlimGuy | October 25, 2006 at 10:07 PM


I could have clarified the speculation more in the 10:07 post

topsecretk9

Slim...

Really...your are OK...I am not sure that SOS wanted to meet anyone at Pronto's(?)...but just to convey he- (sos) - was familiar with SSP's surroundings...is what I took from it.

SlimGuy

TS9

SPECULATION HERE

I thought possibly that the SOS guy had emails to the SSP guy that we have not seen showing his identification of him due to his trap and wanted to meet and talk, and due to procrastination or non response he baited the quotation I used to draw him out by publicly exposing his offer to meet at Pronto, giving just enough for others to determine where the restaurant was via web search without fully openly disclosing the city.

SlimGuy

CONCLUSION

The SOS blogger had identified his yahoo address he was using to bait the trap with.

One address he used was identified as a fake and one address was stated to be real.

This must have been the address used by Members of the MSM to make initial contact with the SOS blogger for offers of interviews about the SSP blogger identification.

SlimGuy

The real email address is used matches the address listed in GTL's profile on his blog.

SlimGuy

TS9

You may be correct.

If indeed they a near each other he may have wished to meet to convince his target to come forward and admit his involvement.

If he was remote, he could have been using it as an indirect hint as you suggest.

SlimGuy

Issue to be resolved

The SOS guy in his trap identified the location of the Detroit HRC office. However is also shows a second opening of the email that points to a Teaneck , NJ ip.

He dismisses that address as being possibly wrong.

Speculation here

There could be a second person linked to the HRC but based at the NewYork office which may remotely log into an HRC server in NJ that has yet to be identified.

But for this to be that person would have to be aware of the email account and password for access to the gmail account.

Extraneus

Was the "maybe" extraneous?

Hardly.

Sara (Squiggler)

I have just finished posting a subject that really needs its own discussion. I cannot tell you how disturbing this turn of events is for me and I'm betting there will be many here who share my disgust.

I started my current post with the words:

They're baaaaaaaaaack! It is 1971 all over again.

Yes, it is newly formed group, Soros funded according to Fox, but is a clone of ::drumroll:: Kerry's Winter Soldiers.

No one should have to live thru this crap twice in a lifetime and this needs to be exposed for what it really is and not the spin that they are just forming a venue for servicemen to message their congressman.

verner

OK, The SSP/HRC connection has hit the NYT without mentioning the blogger's name. They say he was a recent hire etc. etc. Imean really, who do they think they're fooling?

WASHINGTON, Oct. 25 — A liberal gay rights group said Wednesday that one of its employees, acting anonymously, had created the Web site that first published copies of unusually solicitous e-mail messages to teenagers from former Representative Mark Foley, which led to his resignation.

It's time to out this guy. Ten bucks he has some link to Zack Stanton or his friend at Gawker media--and let's not forget Melanie Sloan's Michigan connection. I think we'll find that not only did they have access to the LA page's e-mails, but also those IMs.

Jane

The Human Rights Campaign has a long history of bipartisanship that we expect to flourish under incoming executive director, Cheryl Jacques — a Democratic Massachusetts state senator whose reputation for bipartisanship was earned in part working with the Republican Senate Minority Leader to defeat the Massachusetts Defense of Marriage Act.

By cooperating with pro-gay Republican organizations such as the Republican Unity Coalition, Log Cabin Republicans, and the Republican Main Street Partnership, HRC has only improved its ability to identify, educate, and work with Republicans who support our cause.

Slim guy,

Cheryl Jacques stepped down (ahem) from the HRC after the 2004 election. She is no longer affiliated with the HRC. At no time during her short tenure there did she reach out and work with Republicans. She orchestrated the 2004 election for the HRC with a campaign of bumberstickers that read "You're Fired" aimed at the President and modeled after Trump's show. No bridges were built with anyone on the right. In fact the sole mandate of her charge appeared to be to defeat the right and raise money.

As I said the HRC is essentially a Soros wing of the democrat party. It's like Emily's list. There is not a republican in the mix, and their agenda is not to work for gays but against republicans.

If the dems lose this election, look for the head of the HRC to step down.

hit and run

Gary Maxwell:

I just grew up in the NE suburbs of Detroit
...
When I lived in San Antonio

Holy moly! Everyone has been so focused on illegal immigrants from Mexico - that Texas has left it's northern border exposed!

Just kidding! Just kidding!

I'm a recovering Michiganophobe. Reading comments from people I have long respected and now am finding out are from Michigan is helping to speed and complete my recovery. lol, again just kidding.

Rick Ballard

Rasmussen has New Jersey even, Virginia 1 up and Missouri 2 up this morning. Everything within the MOE but the movement in New Jersey is very interesting considering that the court decision would not have been a factor in this poll. Rasmussen had Menendez at +4 on October 11th - the height of Foleymania.

Solving the mystery of the "Pimpled Avengers Play Politics" can wait until after the election. It's a Soros backed HRC/CREW venture in my opinion and giving it more time prior to the election just disturbs the cattle in the manner that the Soros people had hoped.

Gary Maxwell

Holy moly! Everyone has been so focused on illegal immigrants from Mexico - that Texas has left it's northern border exposed!

Theres no immigration quota on Yankees coming to Texas. Once upon a time and back in the day, I once saw a handwritten sign stuck on a telephone poll in the Galleria area of Houston that read "Will the last person out of Michigan please turn out the Lights."

Lots of ex-Michiganders all over the State.

Funny thing about Texans, they seem to like everybody. And if you tell them that you think Texas is the greatest place on Earth ( which I do ) then you seal the deal as far as they are concerned. Come on in the water's fine.

Sue

Funny thing about us multi-generational Texans. We think anyone north of the Red River is a Yankee. ::grin::

Gary Maxwell

Sue

I do have the deed that my great great great Grandfather Samuel Maxwell got for the plot of land he bought in Tennessee. It was signed by Governor Sam Houston ( yes he was the Governor of Tennessee before he was a general and President of the independent Republic of Texas). When you think about it, even the Alamo had a lot of non-Texans at it. My bonafides established I will not withdraw.

Sue

::grin::

We all came from 'somewhere'. But those of us who came from those who built the state still look down our noses at those who came from 'somewhere'. Heck, in the county I live in, we think those in the county north of us are Yankees.

I keed, I joke... ::grin::

SlimGuy

Gary

After the cuban influx we used the say will the last american leaving Miami please bring the flag with them.

Sue

Here we call a Yankee anyone who live north of I-10.

jwest

Gary,

All of the greatest political minds have their roots in the NE Detroit suburbs.

Must have been the water or something.

jwest

Gary,

All of the greatest political minds have their roots in the NE Detroit suburbs.

Must have been the water or something.

jwest

Apparently, our political acumen is not matched by our posting skills.

Sorry for the stutter.

hit and run

Funny thing about Texans, they seem to like everybody.

Yes, let it be known that my "issues" with MI did not occur until I have moved out of state. (to CO - and if you know detroit pro sports, hint not baseball, football or basketball, you have a clue)

jwest, as part of my recovery program, I need to make amends for past wrongs. I apologize for any hurt I caused. That is, if you are a hockey fan. This also is extended to the other Michiganders I may have wronged.

Sue, I knew there was I reason I always liked you best. You multi-generational Texan you.

Sue

those who came from 'somewhere'.

I really shouldn't have left the impression that we Texans didn't adopt Davy Crockett and Sam Houston as our own. And Jim Bowie and Travis, etc. You can't go anywhere in Texas without a school being named after one of them. Never mind they came from 'somewhere'. We Texans love 'em.

Sue

Travel north on I-45 out of Huntsville and you will see how much we love Sam Houston.

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/TXHUNsam.html>Sam Houston

Sue

Oops...should have been south, not north of Huntsville. In my defense, I live in NE Texas, and Huntsville is a long, long, long way from here.

SunnyDay

H&R - don't so the steps online - everything is archived. Hahahahaha!!!

SlimGuy

BREAKING NEWS

I am in email swap with the operator of the SOS blog sending him some data for comment.

He concurs with the data I presented with one exception.

As TS9 proposed he is not local to the Royal Oak area. That was presented to allow him to show the SSP blog owner that he had identified something about them.

He characterizes the Pronto in Royal Oak as a known LGBT hangout that the SSP blogger is known to frequent.

He also confirms he has been contacted by the FBI as I speculated.

SlimGuy

Follow up

He will neither confirm nor deny Zack as being the SSP blogger.

He says real soon now

hit and run

H&R - don't so the steps online - everything is archived. Hahahahaha!!!

Hah! Interestingly enough - the perils of personal online info was the source of my MI "issues".

topsecretk9

---As TS9 proposed he is not local to the Royal Oak area. That was presented to allow him to show the SSP blog owner that he had identified something about them.

He characterizes the Pronto in Royal Oak as a known LGBT hangout that the SSP blogger is known to frequent.

He also confirms he has been contacted by the FBI as I speculated.--

WOW Slim.

He has been contacted by the FBI?

SlimGuy

TS9
He also confirms he has been contacted by the FBI as I speculated.

He will neither confirm nor deny Zack as being the SSP blogger.

SlimGuy

He also says the reason he replied is that he recognizes the quality and documented links of my data, and that I MAY be the only one is is exchanging email with.

verner

Slim Guy,
SOS had a very cryptic post about MM e-mailing him. Do you remember Melanne's last name (the page in 0102 class with Jordan E. and Loraditch from KY.)

SlimGuy

Verner

Her name is Melanie Tate, the owner is a he not a she.

As to the MM reference on the post

http://stopoctobersurprises.blogspot.com/2006/10/hrc.html

MM: Its time to contact me now. The email will work just fine.

I have not addressed that issue with him but I speculate it is Mike Mings

http://www.hrc.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Press_Room/Mike_Mings.htm

I believe he was a contact point via separate email discussing the issues facing the HRC and was only involved to that extent.

topsecretk9

Well...good for you Slim...get it from the horses mouth.

Gary Maxwell

All of the greatest political minds have their roots in the NE Detroit suburbs.

Well maybe accident of birth on my part. I was scheming to leave the State my sophomore year of college. Actually spent two years after college there but in Lansing and then ran like hell. My maternal grandmother lived in Detroit and I rode the DSR buses with her everywhere they went. She was fearless. But back then I could see Detroit proper was on a downhill slide, and the auto industry was crippled by the contracts the UAW put on them. It did not seem like a good business climate then and now I look brilliant. I do feel sorry for my high school chums stuck there. And if the Tigers lose the glum will be worse.

SlimGuy

If I post lightly today, it is because I am working on the package about this whole mess
so please be patient

SlimGuy

moving to the googlewars thread

Pal2Pal (Sara)

Everyone say a couple of prayers -- the wildfire in Riverside County, CA, that has already killed firefighters and engulfed 400 homes, is bearing down on where my son works and coaches and is headed our way. The smoke is already so thick, I'm having trouble breathing inside my own home and it really stinks outside. The sky is thick like heavy fog. I don't think we will be at risk, but David's school is very much at risk right now. It is so windy though and this fire is moving so fast.

clarice

Take care. And be prepared to evacuate, Sara.

MayBee

Thinking of you, Sara.

Neo

So who is this Lane Hudson character ?

croc

Hope ya don't die,Sara.

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