The Alcee Hastings Watch

Mickey Kaus speculates on the upcoming Big Media coverage of the election:

ll-Hands-On-Deck MSM Drive for Victory! ABC's The Note has a thorough and knowing outline of "How the (liberal) Old Media plans to cover the last two weeks of the election" to try to ensure the GOPs do not regain any initiative. ...All ABC's Halperin & Co. left out, as far as I can see, is Point #13: Bury the news about the Secure Fence Act (if Bush doesn't bury it first!), Point #14: Do not mention the name "Alcee Hastings," and #15: 'Keep Foley Alive!' (though that may no longer be possible, even on NPR). ... 2:58 P.M.

The NY Times is somewhat on board with that, but there is a subtle problem - Jane Harman, the ranking Dem on the House Intelligence Committee who is marked for replacement by Nancy Pelosi, has been in the news herself for being too friendly with AIPAC.  Awkward!  The Times has plenty of readers who take an interest in Israel so it is tough to duck this. 

On the other hand, Alcee Hastings is the candidate of choice of the Congressional Black Caucus, and from time to time it has been clear that there is a bit of tension between blacks and Jews within the Democratic Party; with that in mind, the Times does not want to report on trouble in paradise two weeks before the ascension of Speaker Pelosi.

The result is some of the more passive "reporting" we are likely to see - here is the Times presenting All The News That Fits Their Storyline:

For a Top Democrat, Further Climb Seems Out

By MARK MAZZETTI

Representative Jane Harman has gained national prominence as the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, but even her supporters now concede that she is unlikely to become chairman if her party wins control of the House.

Standing in her way is another California lawmaker, Representative Nancy Pelosi, the Democrats’ speaker-in-waiting, who would have the power to pick the leader of each committee. The relationship between the two has soured in recent years over political rivalries and policy disputes, and Congressional officials on both sides of the divide say Ms. Pelosi would most likely look elsewhere to fill the Intelligence Committee’s top job.

“To say it is unlikely she will get the job is accurate,” said one Democratic Congressional official with knowledge of the party’s post-election plans.

...Ms. Harman, a moderate from Southern California, has been one of the party’s most outspoken voices on national security matters since the Sept. 11 attacks. But she has also drawn sharp criticism from more liberal Democrats, including Ms. Pelosi, who have privately said that she has not sufficiently used her position to attack the Bush administration for its prewar intelligence failures on Iraq and for its use of secret programs like the domestic eavesdropping carried out without warrants by the National Security Agency.

Fine, Ms. Harman is not enough of a Bush-basher, and what Dem could object?  That said, neither Ms. Pelosi nor the Times may want to advertise that moderate Dems are getting Lieberated from their posts.

Here comes the all-holds-barred Hastings coverage:

Two candidates whom Ms. Pelosi is said to be considering for Intelligence Committee chairman are Representatives Alcee L. Hastings of Florida and Silvestre Reyes of Texas, both of whom currently serve on the panel.

The selection of Mr. Hastings, who is black, would help Ms. Pelosi shore up support from the powerful Congressional Black Caucus. But he has a checkered past, having been impeached and removed from a federal judgeship in 1989 on a bribery charge. Some Democrats fear that installing him in so sensitive a position would only invite Republican charges of weak Democratic leadership on national security matters.

The Times was apparently unable or unwilling to get any comment from Nancy Pelosi's office on this - even a simple "Ms. Pelosi was not available for comment" would have provided an extra chuckle.

And why is the support of the Congressional Black Caucus so important to Ms. Pelosi just now?  The Wash Times reported that she may lack the votes to become Speaker - would the Times care to address that?  Please.

Finally, there is the 'Friend of AIPAC' angle:

Ms. Harman’s efforts to claim the post have even attracted the attention of investigators. Federal officials said Monday that she was the focus of a year-old F.B.I. inquiry related to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or Aipac, a powerful pro-Israel lobbying group. The officials, confirming a Time magazine report, said the bureau had been looking into whether she had made improper promises to the group in exchange for its efforts to lobby Ms. Pelosi on her behalf.

But the officials also said that the accusations had not been proved and that although the inquiry remained open, it was no longer being actively pursued.

“Congresswoman Harman does not know what this is all about,” said her lawyer, Theodore B. Olson. “She has no information from the government that she is under an investigation of any sort, and the idea that she should be investigated for being a supporter of Aipac is frightening.”

TIME had more details and drama, but the underlying case appeared to be ridiculous.  However - is Alcee Hastings also a friend of Israel?  Inquiring minds want to know (but not at the Times).  I have read that he is, but surely the Times' readers would like to see that pinned down.

Comments

[clarice]

So is Sarasota--largely because of its big arts community. The truth is they are probably getting older, and Fla is a lot easier on old people for lots of reasons, including cheaper taxes .

[SlimGuy]

Sara

Orlando has a large active gay community this is an open secret. They have members in the local government and staff there and becoming a force of political power.

[MayBee]

Did MayBee really just end a post with "Maybe?"

Was the "maybe" extraneous?

[SlimGuy]

Anon and Jane

Yes the SSP website was created long before, but the trap by the SOS blog was recent, after the person at HRC went to work there.

So the SSP creator could have been using the HRC network to update the SSP blog and maintain it and been reading the gmail account on the office computers at HRC instead of his home computer.

[Jane]

Slimguy,

I don't know why you want to defend the HRC. This stuff is right up their alley.

[SlimGuy]

Just made another connection

From the SOS blog

SSP: Come on, the offer stands, we can meet at Prontos.

Update: you won't believe who came a knockin' today! More later...

After a quick google guess what

http://www.prontos.topcities.com/

Which is a restaurant/bar in Royal Oak , Mi

So the SSP blog person and the SOS blog person both have to be near Royal Oak to have a meating at a bar there.

[SlimGuy]

Jane

I am not defending anybody here, just connecting the dots the best I can.

This all looks like a long planned major dirty trick.

[clarice]

They said it was.

BTW here's more on Soros and HRC:
"Our nation’s courts play a vital role in the GLBT community’s journey from second-class citizenship to equal protection under the law. Yet the courts – and the judges whose duty it is to interpret the law and safeguard our rights and liberties – are in many ways the least-examined branch of government. Polls show that the selection of judges is not among the most important issues to the average voter, yet all Americans – and the GLBT community and its allies in particular – should be deeply interested in the selection of judges.

Justice for All? is part of an educational campaign supported by the Open Society Institute of the Soros Foundation. The campaign’s goal is to inform diverse groups about the importance of a fair and balanced judiciary. The publication clearly outlines the unique relationship that exists between voters, legislators, and judges, and it is important that all Americans have a strong understanding of this relationship"

http://www.hrc.org/Template.cfm?Section=About_HRC&CONTENTID=31600&TEMPLATE=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm>Evil Soros

[clarice]

They said it was.

BTW here's more on Soros and HRC:
"Our nation’s courts play a vital role in the GLBT community’s journey from second-class citizenship to equal protection under the law. Yet the courts – and the judges whose duty it is to interpret the law and safeguard our rights and liberties – are in many ways the least-examined branch of government. Polls show that the selection of judges is not among the most important issues to the average voter, yet all Americans – and the GLBT community and its allies in particular – should be deeply interested in the selection of judges.

Justice for All? is part of an educational campaign supported by the Open Society Institute of the Soros Foundation. The campaign’s goal is to inform diverse groups about the importance of a fair and balanced judiciary. The publication clearly outlines the unique relationship that exists between voters, legislators, and judges, and it is important that all Americans have a strong understanding of this relationship"

http://www.hrc.org/Template.cfm?Section=About_HRC&CONTENTID=31600&TEMPLATE=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm>Evil Soros

[MayBee]

Then what? Will everyone on the Hill refuse to hire them ? Will they then scream homophobia?

Jane's right--this is what all the lefty groups do--ruin their own constituencies.

True. Big diary at DKos today that "Dancing in the endzone" is racist, as is the way the Repubs are campaigning against Ford.

Sure, we would like good men to be treated according to their actions not their skin color. But when someone is criticized for their actions, let's say the criticism is based on skin color. Or something.
Suddenly, it all comes down to Ford being black for the Dems supposedly supporting him.

[anon]

SlimGuy, I would not read too much into the HRC statement today. Odds are they are lying. I expect this operation was widely known in the HRC. They figure that they can make this one person the fall guy. With his or her consent, I'm sure.

[Syl]

I think it's smart not to under-estimate these people. They've been scheming over this for a very long time, never once thinking to try the honest approach and tell the people what they're really for. Think about that. They've had a lot of time to come up with schemes to fool voters.

They gay community has allowed lefty activists with their in-your-face intimidation, lies, and cruelty, speak for them.

You know I was thinking the other day, what if the gay community came out with a bunch of ads that just said 'Please'?

[SlimGuy]

Anon

Could be, but it may also be when it got public on the SOS blog, he started getting 250 visits a day from HRC.

Since the SSP blog owner was checking his gmail account from the HRC computers it was easy for the IT staff to look at their network logs and nail who the person was that was doing it and presented with the evidence they terminated him and notified the SOS blogger with their response of what they did.

[topsecretk9]

I not sure the whole Foley thing was coordinated from the top of HRC, but...like the Blade article back in 2004 said

...Both Aravosis and Rogers said they continue to collect information from their network of sources, which include employees of the Human Rights Campaign and Log Cabin Republicans, and plan on outing more staffers and members.

So I also don't think this was isolated to a lowly new hire...the **hire** date means nothing...how connected to other Dem organizations, say the DCCC or campaign did new hire come from? And why did they hire new hire and who was he connected to at HRC and so on....These groups are incestuous and work on crap together all the time.

[clarice]

When SUllivan endorsed Kerry --and make no mistake it was clearly on gay marriage--though Bush and Kerry's position was a mere piece of tissue paper apart, wasn't he really saying he was voting for the candidate who was clearly lying?

[topsecretk9]

--try the honest approach and tell the people what they're really for. Think about that. They've had a lot of time to come up with schemes to fool voters.--

No doubt Sly...if they put an 1/3 of this energy into generating a IDEA for all voters -- might be worthwhile...however, I am reminded of the SOTUSpeech response 03? I think?

Their big center piece was Food labeling and safety, because of course Mad Cow disease was Bush's fault...

[anon]

SlimGuy

You give HRC far too mcuh credit. Go look around over at GayPatriot, where he fingers HRC as one of handful of entities in possession of "The List". HRC has been active in the whole lets-out-gay-Gopers deal. It strains belief to think that they are innocent victims of a bad employee here.

[Gary Maxwell]

The HRC Board of Governors has three member from Michigan

Michelle Brown - Detroit, MI
Kenn Bing - Harrison Township, MI
Michael Hemmingsen - Madison Heights, MI

Madison Heights and Royal Oak are really realy close. Share a common border.

Harrison Township is on the far NE side of the Detroit area. Up by Mount Clemens ( on the way to Port Huron ). This would be a pretty far haul but not impossible for a meet up.

I assume you know where Detroit is.

I would bet on the Madison Heights resident for a casual meet up in Royal Oak.

[SlimGuy]

TS9

My working theory is that the SSP blogger is either Zack Stanton the ex page or someone he knows.

The hire date is only important relative to the email trace trap done by the SOS blogger

The proto bar located in Royal Oak was proposed as a meeting spot for the HRC hire associated with the mail trap.

So for him to suggest that location they both had to be close to Royal Oak.

[SlimGuy]

Gary

none of those are new staff hires, they are board of governor members of long standing.

Most likely if I am correct on Zack Stanton he knows one or more of them and they hooked him up with the job at the Detroit office of HRC.

[Sara (Squiggler)]

Who do the Republicans/Right have on their side that would be equal to Soros and his funding of all these special interests?

[topsecretk9]

--wasn't he really saying he was voting for the candidate who was clearly lying?--

Clarice...did you see or hear the Pelosi F U M B L E on this question on 60 minutes this past sunday?

Thick words suddenly on Pelosi's tongue...she was explaining how proud she was of all her liberal positions...Gay Marriage?

I went something like..."Um well but um, but, but um that is NOT an issue we are fighting right now"

I did wonder, is Sullivan saying he'd just prefer to be lied to to?

[Syl]

found this at the Corner re New Jersey Ct decision:

A lawyer reader asks:

If NJ says that "committed" same-sex couples must be afforded the rights of married heterosexual couples, under the NJ constitution, shouldn't unmarried heterosexual couples be afforded the same rights as married couples?

Interesting question because New Jersey is one of the states that does not recognize 'common law' marriage.

(Don't ask my why I know ;) )

[clarice]

I missed the Pelosi interview. There's only so much of this crap a person can be forced to endure.

[SlimGuy]

Is it just me or is the SOS blog down

I keep getting a error

500 Internal Server error

[Gary Maxwell]

I did wonder, is Sullivan saying he'd just prefer to be lied to to?

Well that could be. More likely Sullivan thinks the Dems are lying but only to the voting public, and there certainly is a fair amount of that in the history files. He thinks they will deliver what he wants and is willing to put up with the temporary amnesia until they get the reins of power.

[MayBee]

Syl: You know I was thinking the other day, what if the gay community came out with a bunch of ads that just said 'Please'?

You are right.
The biggest social changes don't come from within politics anyway. MLK wasn't a senator.
The biggest social changes in attitudes about gay people have come from people simply knowing every day gay people, from television shows that have gay characters, and from generational changes. There has been a vast change in attitudes in the past few decades, from not talking about gays, to the bathhouse/disco queer culture, to what we have now.
So why go after gay politicians? It's just a stupid tactic. Politicians reflect society. Gay activists should work on convincing society, because that actually seems to be working. Then the politicians have to follow.

[jack]

"Jack seems to be very confused. It is democrats and gay democrats who are doing the gay bashing."

Oh Sara has straightened things out for me. It's "the gays" that are doing the gay bashing.

[Gary Maxwell]

SG

I was just trying to be helpful. You da man on this one. I just grew up in the NE suburbs of Detroit so I know strange town names and distances. If the info is of little use, use your virtual wastebasket! Keep up the good work. I smell a rat, big fat and many days dead and stinking.

[jack]

Bill Frist want's all of you to not talk about Iraq.
Iraq? Sorry Bill dunno want ya talk'n bout I'm a repubican.

[Gary Maxwell]

Jack

When I lived in San Antonio I used to attend a lot of Spurs games. There was a guy there who it seemed never missed a game. He sat about 4 rows from the floor and every usher seem to stop and shake his hand or say hello. He knew all the officials, first and last name and nickname sometimes. All coaches and assistant coaches. The very best heckler I have ever seen - bar none. He never screamed and never was openly vulgar but his wit was rapier sharp.

One game in particular he was troubled by the inconsistent calls of the referee. At an opportune time between free throws when it was relatively quiet he said quite calmly using the referees first name " Jack, if you pull your head out, that whistle will taste better."

Somehow that comment keeps popping into my head when I see your inane posts.

[SlimGuy]

Gary

Thank you, just trying to smoke out the rats by connecting dots wherever they land.

Just for the record HRC in one of their press releases proposed a more balanced approach then Rogers the outer or his associate Peter Rosenstein

quoting

Some argue that the HRC should only work with Democrats, but the GOP controls government.

It's no secret that gay Americans have a long history of supporting the Democratic Party. That’s not surprising given that Democrats have historically been significantly more supportive of gay rights — and given the homophobic statements of some prominent members of the GOP.

Yes, many gay men and lesbians identify themselves as Republicans or as members of a third party. But by and large, there exists an undeniable leftward tilt among gays, which manifests itself in votes, dollars and volunteers for Democrats.

later they state

But as an institution charged with promoting good legislative outcomes for our community and — at least as important these days — blocking bad ones, both of us agree that HRC should absolutely work to build understanding and support among Republicans, encouraging it wherever warranted.

The Human Rights Campaign has a long history of bipartisanship that we expect to flourish under incoming executive director, Cheryl Jacques — a Democratic Massachusetts state senator whose reputation for bipartisanship was earned in part working with the Republican Senate Minority Leader to defeat the Massachusetts Defense of Marriage Act.

By cooperating with pro-gay Republican organizations such as the Republican Unity Coalition, Log Cabin Republicans, and the Republican Main Street Partnership, HRC has only improved its ability to identify, educate, and work with Republicans who support our cause.

Republicans like Sens. Gordon Smith and Arlen Specter joined Democrats in introducing hate crime legislation, called the Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act, in the Senate last spring.

Republicans like Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen and Congressman Jim Leach are prominent sponsors of the Early Treatment for HIV Act, and Congressman Chris Shays, is one of the lead sponsors of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act.

In a country split virtually in half by party lines, the board and staff of HRC — though themselves predominantly Democrats — are unanimous in their belief that bipartisanship is the only way to succeed. HRC has always, and will always, support candidates who help advance the cause of equality for GLBT Americans.

It’s time for all of us, regardless of political affiliation, to applaud Republicans who stand with us in this civil rights movement. Some of us, while applauding, will still vote a straight Democratic ticket to wrest control of Congress from a deeply anti-gay leadership. And some of us will continue working to make sure that the party of Lincoln remains true to the values of equal opportunity for all.

[Rick Ballard]

Slim,

Is this one o' them "who ya gonna believe, me or yer lyin' eyes" ex-ams?

Those are shor' purdy words but I jis dunno if we kin believ'em.

[SlimGuy]

Gary

The location info was good to know, have not had a chance to pop up a map to check them out.

If you have been following all this over since the Foley story broke, a lot of things keep coming back to Michigan, specifically UMI and the Royal Oak area.

That includes the mail trap that SOS blog did and a prior trap done by someone else that setup two bait blogs and notified the SSP blogger about them and tracked the browser that came to visit the bait blogs from being also in the Royal Oak area but not from the HRC site.

So we have multiple links all to the Royal Oak area.

[clarice]

OT(On Obama):
http://americanthinker.com/comments.php?comments_id=6444

[Gary Maxwell]

Note that with the notalbe exception of Ros Lehtinen, the reeled off a virtual whos who of Rinos. And even then it was only because they thought it wise to look like they had a bipartisan spirit, while voting straight ticket Democrat Party. The whole Mass Democrat is a bipartisan cuz she found someone in Massachusetts who calls himself a Republican but agrees with HRC on its hotbed issues, is almost a parody in itself.

[Malloy]

George Bush and the Republicans can do whatever they think is best to do, long as the queers can't get married.

[Gary Maxwell]

SC

What is UMI? Too many acronyms was also a thread theme upthread I think.

[SlimGuy]

Rick

Rogers on his website gives the impression he is more aligned with CREW and the DCCC and has had a lot of issues where HRC opposes his and Aravosis's outing policy.

Evidently there was a lot of back and forth on the subject in gay oriented publications and comments on Rogers sites like pageoneQ his gay news website which used to be rawstoryQ and another site he runs called proudofwhoweare.

[anonymous]

UMI: Unrepentant Metrosexual Iconoclasts ?

[topsecretk9]

--What is UMI? Too many acronyms was also a thread theme upthread I think.--

Agghh!

I noticed I am ok with acronyms if I know them...confound it!

Rick....shhh!

[SlimGuy]

Gary

UMI I may have gotten wrong off the top of my head talking about

Will have to check was supposed to mean University of Michigan...but that may be the wrong name of the college

In any event the correct college name has a couple of common links

Zack Stanton the ex page went there after the page program and the guy running the Istook campaign in Okla. that hired Jason Edmund also was a graduate of the same school.

[SlimGuy]

Also if I recall correctly another ex page linked to the same school was Chris Kataros who was a page appointed by Nancy Pelosi.

[MayBee]

MSU, Slim Guy.
Michigan State University. Don't ever confuse the two because one is wonderful and the other is UofM.

Both Zack and Ray are at MSU, and one of SOS's tracky thingies was from Mason, MI which is very near MSU.

[SlimGuy]

Jason Edmund was appointed page by Duke Cunnigham

Zack Stanton was appointed by Dave Obey (D-WI)

[MayBee]

No Chris Katoros is in DC (well, in Africa right now). There is another page from a different year at MSU.

[MayBee]

No, Zack Stanton was appointed by Dave Bonior, D-MI.

[Gary Maxwell]

University of Michigan is in Ann Arbor. The Peoples Republic of Ann Arbor. A very liberal place where hippies are still roaming I am sure. About an hour from Detroit almost due west. Being a Michigan State grad myself, I always did related U of M to gays, that and girls who did not shave their legs or armpits and thought hair washing was optional. Maybe my stereotype was reinforced by my fellow Spartans, who almost never spoke kindly about a Wolverine.

[SlimGuy]

Maybee

Thanks , it's in my notes but I was just trying to go with the flow and got the wrong school.

[SlimGuy]

Shucks keep getting the wrong schools and people, better check my notes and not my memory.

LOL

[Gary Maxwell]

Bonior was a congresscritter from Ann Arbor and represented his constituents well, that is he was way out on the lunatic fringe left.

[topsecretk9]

Conyers.

[SlimGuy]

Kataros as we all know is the Son of Robin Kataros a very politically active person in California.

Have not made a definite link, but I believe Chris who is openly gay may be the La Times ex page who admitted to having sexual relations with Foley when he was 21 years old.

Also Chris and Brad Luna of HRC who responded to SOS blog owner about their staffer both went to the same school but they are about 7 years apart so they may not know each other.

[clarice]

SG, You're giving me a headache.
Katsaros is not I think from LA, he's from the SF area, I believe. He was last at Georgetown Univ in D.C. in international studies.
______________

Volokh has a good point about the NJ case. He notes that people who protested the enactment of other anti discriminatory legislation aimed at gays as being a slippery slope were right, because the Ct cited those laws in support of its position that gay marriage is required by the equal protection provision of the Constitution.

[MayBee]

TS- Bonior.
He left the House to run for Governor of MI, he was very far left (a labor left kind of guy) that stood in Bagdhad before the war and said George Bush would lie to get involved in a war with poor Saddam.

Slim- no worries. I'm from MI and I still said SW Michigan instead of SE MI today.

[SlimGuy]

Clarice

I didn't say he was from La , he may be the ex page the La Times did the story on about the actual Foley sex encounter since going to Georgetown he would have been right nearby to meet up with Foley. Sorry for the confusion.

[topsecretk9]

--TS- Bonior.
He left the House to run for Governor of MI, he was very far left (a labor left kind of guy) that stood in Bagdhad before the war and said George Bush would lie to get involved in a war with poor Saddam.--

Oh dammit...I was trying so hard to stay away from my inner Vips on this!!!!

[clarice]

The guy who works for Istoff (sp?) is the one who said he met with Foley in San Diego. While he went to his room he said they did not have sex.

The only person who said publicly he had sex with Foley was 18 at the time, is not Katsoras and has huge credibility problems and once they were raised he vanished from public view.

[SlimGuy]

There are a few more pages from the Class of 2002, the class after Edmunds etc that I have had minor connections to but nothing definite yet.

One from West Palm Beach sponsored by Mark Foley

One from Clinton Township, Mi sponsored by David E. Bonior (D-MI)

[Sara (Squiggler)]

Don't be knocking my Spartans. MSU is my alma matre, sort of, before it was USD.

[jerry]

Alcee Hastings is about as important today, as Ralph Nader.

Change the subject.

[Sara (Squiggler)]

Besides Trandahl, who in my opinion is behind all of this and is the driving force in the background, is there any indication of any other page class having connections to Foley? It seems too coincidental to have the whole scandal, over acts several years old, be limited to one class unless the whole thing is a set up.

[topsecretk9]

--Alcee Hastings is about as important today, as Ralph Nader.

Change the subject.--

Jerry...you did not just say this? Really?

[SlimGuy]

The page of 2002 from Clinton Township was JEFFREY J. LAKIN who also ended up if my trail is correct at the same college in Michigan.

Lots of hits in the Michigan area for this whole mess.

[topsecretk9]

--The only person who said publicly he had sex with Foley was 18 at the time, is not Katsoras and has huge credibility problems and once they were raised he vanished from public view.--

A convulated cluster nothing?

Pretty much.

[SlimGuy]

Jason Edmund was from San Diego area , Carlsbad is his hometown. He admits to meeting Foley in San Diego and going to Foley's hotel room for about 20 minutes but swears no sex took place.

[topsecretk9]

I will f course laugh my behind off it the ethics committee report comes out with products of radical blackmail threats and worse and so Dem side demure's with a -- it was all handles OK-- ahem.

[Gary Maxwell]

Clinton Township is another northern Detroit suburb. Probably better described as exurb. Kinda on the way north towards Harrison Township. For what this is worth.

[MayBee]

clarice:The only person who said publicly he had sex with Foley was 18 at the time, is not Katsoras and has huge credibility problems and once they were raised he vanished from public view.

Yeah, didn't you get an email from a group of concerned pages about him? Pretty sure it was FFF guy, right?

[SlimGuy]

Edmund is working the Istook campaign in Okla. for governor which is a disaster for the republicans as much as Harris in Fla.

Could be another monkey wrench in the machinery job, don't know.

Henry is up on Istook by +32 latest poll

[topsecretk9]

---FFF guy---

Why am I having a hard time with acronyms?

What is FFF

[clarice]

Some pasty ,unsavory looking guy who went on tv, was called truth challenged and then vanished beneath the waves.

[SlimGuy]

Chip Englander is the 1st time campaign manager for who hired Jason Edmund for his staff.

Sounds like they were trying to run the campaign into the ground.

Also the locals on this board stated if I remember correctly that he was not (Istook) running anything in the Gov race like he did for congress in the past.

[Gary Maxwell]

Brad Henry is a very conservative Democrat who has done a good job running Oklahoma. It should not be a surprise that the voters seem inclined to give him another round. Dont blame the staff on this one. Brad Henry would not be welcome in the Jimmy Carter box at the Dem convention like Michael Moore was.

[topsecretk9]

OK...while I am officially interested in SSP---I am more invested how corrupt CREW is I am officially pushing it because I think CREW is a morally corrupt shill outfit for DEMS...CrewCrew is a non-profit that floods FOIA requests at our expense

Sorry. I get to now your funders and board members CREW - transparency and my fucking tax dollars

You also realize they me work some sneaky to file Wilson/Plame filings under our tax dollars!

[MayBee]

TS- Florida Fag Foley. Clarice described him well. The pasty has me chuckling.
Self-described liberal Dem.

[SlimGuy]

Someone confirm if I got this name right

I believe the ex page named Vivyan Tyson, is the one that was discredited by a group of pages called the "Concerned Pages" after his CNN appearance.

[topsecretk9]

Geez...I am telling you I have no capacity to figure out acronyms...I also have big problems with numbers (that's why I use a pencil in my check book)...I am artist...what can I say?

[Sara (Squiggler)]

LOL. Tell us how you really feel TS. I'm with you 100%. I want them and I want everyone one of those effing idiots who are in bed with the VIPs.

[SlimGuy]

CREW

Targets Foley and Curt Weldon

Rogers

Targets Foley, Members of Istooks staff when he was in congress, Charlie Crist gov candidate in Fl , has Christ witnesses that worked on the tanking Harris campaign in Florida

Edmunds and Chip Englander running Istooks campaign for Gov in Okla which is crashing and burning

Toooooo many coincidences for me...sounds like a plan

[SlimGuy]

grrr thats Crist witnesses not Christ

[clarice]

That's it:Vivyan Tyson

[SlimGuy]

Sara

I also linked to another organization similar to VIPS, in fact some VIPS members are also members in the other group

Check out

http://www.libertycoalition.net/

[SlimGuy]

Clarice

Thanx for the confirmation.

[topsecretk9]

CREW is a corrupt non-profit...my HOPE is --- their game playing on the Foley emails has finally given an outlet for the FBI laser beam their ass...And since CREW was dumb enough to trash the FBI and then leak crap about Weldon...they painted the big red on them selves.

[MayBee]

I hate to say this, but I think its actually Tyson Vivyan.

[SlimGuy]

My gut feeling about this whole situation is that the man with the plan behind this whole mess is George Soros.

Organizations he indirectly funds are all wound up in this mess the Republicans which include GWB which Soros tried to get defeated in 2004 are possibly catching as much damage as he could think up to play king maker for his agenda.

By taking down Istook , Foley, Harris, Charlie Christ, Trandahl, Fordham and others he is creating pure havoc just like he has done in some eastern European former soviet bloc states in the past.

[SlimGuy]

Maybee

You are right I had the name in my notes as Vivyan, Tyson...got em reversed. Thanx

[SlimGuy]

The Fordham loss caused additional grief for Reynolds in NY-26, possibly another intended target of this whole Soros monkey wrench mess

[MayBee]

Wow, Slim Guy, your scorecard is a lot more full than mine. I'm not with you on the Harris and Istook connections, but then what do I know. I am with you on the bet that Stanton knows the SSP blogger/HRC staffer.

[SlimGuy]

MayBee

Go to Rogers blogactive site and look at his outing today of Charlie Crist.

His witness for the outing both worked for the Harris campaign

[SlimGuy]

When Istook was in congress Rogers was running a major war with him because of his DOMA stance and Rogers outed a couple of his staff in revenge.

Istook is crashing and burning in his Governor race by 32 points in Oklahoma with his campaign being run by Chip Englander and Jason Edmund.

[SlimGuy]

Rechecked my notes

Rogers only threatened to out members of Istook's staff

He did out Johnathan Tolman on Inhofe's staff another of his unfavored targets.

[SlimGuy]

Maybee

There are three ex pages that live within a stones throw of each other up there but Stanton looks like the strongest possibility.

[topsecretk9]

--His witness for the outing both worked for the Harris campaign--

I'm thinking these were outing before the Roger's campaign and before any attention was paid...doesn't matter now. Roger's lost.

[SlimGuy]

Another thing, that cryptic message on the SOS blog

SSP: Come on, the offer stands, we can meet at Prontos.

Update: you won't believe who came a knockin' today! More later...

+++++

He wants to meet with the SSP blogger at a bar in Royal Oak so they must both be local to there

But the part about knockin today sounds like he may have had a little visit from the FBI

[MayBee]

He wants to meet with the SSP blogger at a bar in Royal Oak so they must both be local to there

Could be. Prontos seems to be a gay bar. It could be that he literally meant to meet there, or it could be (another) cryptic message to let someone know he knows something about him.

[clarice]

DIdn't he say it was the Media knocking on his door? I'm quite sure he did.

[SlimGuy]

TS9 see my 4:52 post on rogers outing for details or go to blogactive

[SlimGuy]

Clarice he said media has been contacting him, but I am just guessing on the cryptic message, since the FBI may be trying to run down all these people connected with the whole foley mess including all the websites and organizations.

I think CREW got their dander up big time.