We are tackling the big issues this Friday afternoon - who coined "Shooter and Scooter" to describe Dick Cheney and Scooter Libby?
In his Valentine's note to the firedogs Scott Shane of the Times wrote this:
“After all that, Shooter lets me down,” wrote Jane Hamsher, creator of Firedoglake and organizer of its trial team. Mr. Cheney is nicknamed on the blog for his infamous hunting accident, which handily rhymes with the nickname for his former aide, Scooter.
Tricky - Ms. Hamsher certainly did not claim credit and Mr.Shane did not quite give it to her.
Well then - I fault Mr. Shane for failing to acknowledge what may be her only contribution to political discourse in 2006 - Maureen Dowd wrote about Shooter and Scooter on Feb 19, 2006, just a few days after the duck hunting incident:
In return for this selfless effort to tell the world that Valerie Plame was a C.I.A. officer -- and punish her husband, a critic of the phony case for war, and therefore a terrorist symp -- Shooter was rewarded with an independent prosecutor and Scooter with an indictment.
Although the memory mercifully eluded me for a day, I actually noted her coinage and whacked her "analysis" back in the day.
And now she is the columnist that the Times forgot. I blame thank Times Select.
FROM CAROL HERMAN
Insta-Pundit, today, is great. If you go there you'll find his link that BUSH'S NUMBERS ARE GOING BACK UP. And, a wonderful link, too, to POWERLINE.
Posted by: Carol Herman | February 16, 2007 at 03:39 PM
It's amazing how rarely MoDo, Krugman et al surface in the blogosphere these days, isn't it? Do they actually notice the falling off of attention, or does their reality-based community just sputter happily along as ever it was wont to do. Frank Rich shows up, but then I think he does a lot of
marketingoutreach.Posted by: JM Hanes | February 16, 2007 at 03:39 PM
'Shooter', 'Scooter', let's call the whole thing off!
Or is it 'he who controls the adjectives and nicknames....'
Posted by: Syl | February 16, 2007 at 03:40 PM
FROM CAROL HERMAN
The "test" in "shooter to poop-der" is if you can make it to the bowl on time.
Posted by: Carol Herman | February 16, 2007 at 03:41 PM
You'd think the Hamster would be less free with derisive nicknames.
Posted by: Ralph L. | February 16, 2007 at 03:49 PM
You'd think the Hamster would be less free with derisive nicknames.
I believe I coined the term HamsterWheel back in the glory days of plameology
TS9 is my witness
Posted by: windansea | February 16, 2007 at 03:53 PM
Tom, you still having connection problems?
The pins and needles waiting for new posts are starting to get a little uncomfortable.
And I'm delicate.
Posted by: hit and run | February 16, 2007 at 03:56 PM
Hamsterwheel and Emptywheel. Or do you use one word for both? Maybe the "hamster" epithet she's probably heard since age 6 is what drove her into the thrall of Liberaldom.
Posted by: Ralph L. | February 16, 2007 at 04:00 PM
citizenspook has some pretty interesting things to say about Plame, the WH, and Fitzgerald:
http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/
Posted by: jerry | February 16, 2007 at 04:13 PM
--the duck hunting incident--
Knowing that TM always strives for complete accuracy, it was actually a quail hunt.
Posted by: Barney Frank | February 16, 2007 at 04:24 PM
Knowing that TM always strives for complete accuracy, it was actually a quail hunt.
Actually. Barney, it was a quail harvest.
Posted by: TexasToast | February 16, 2007 at 04:33 PM
That reminds me of the rumor that Muskie lost his chance to Carter's VP in 76 when he visited Plains and asked to see the peanut trees.
Posted by: Ralph L. | February 16, 2007 at 04:43 PM
Mark Davis of talkradio fame says Hillary and Maureen are the same person: humorless, sanctimonious, and her own bigget fan.
Posted by: bad | February 16, 2007 at 04:45 PM
bad u bad: her own bigget fan, rude but accurate.
Posted by: Ralph L. | February 16, 2007 at 04:52 PM
Snarking about snark. hmmmmm.
Posted by: SunnyDay | February 16, 2007 at 04:53 PM
I love how the Times uses INFAMOUS to describe Cheneys' hunting accident. Weren't we just claiming the left thing Cheney is EVIL, and they were denying it??
DEFINITION: INFAMOUS
1 : having a reputation of the worst kind : notoriously evil
2 : causing or bringing infamy : DISGRACEFUL
INFAMY:
1 : evil reputation brought about by something grossly criminal, shocking, or brutal
2 a : an extreme and publicly known criminal or evil act.
You see, Cheney's just plain evil.
Posted by: Patton | February 16, 2007 at 04:55 PM
citizensnoop makes Swopa seem sane.
Posted by: clarice | February 16, 2007 at 04:56 PM
I am both shocked and hurt you did not remember;
There once was a lawyer named Scooter
Who spied a spook's spouse as a looter
He got caught in a trap
agreed he would yap
and fingered his boss as the Shooter.
Posted by: Semanticleo | February 16, 2007 at 04:56 PM
Democrats just flipped the bird to the troops. At least we know how they really feel about them.
Posted by: topsecretkk9 | February 16, 2007 at 05:03 PM
So the pairing of Scooter and Shooter first appeared in a column by Spinster. Odd karma, that.
Posted by: joe shropshire | February 16, 2007 at 05:09 PM
Tops,
I just heard Pelosi. She sounded like she had just won a beauty pageant. Giddy. Unfreakinbelievable.
Posted by: Sue | February 16, 2007 at 05:09 PM
--TS9 is my witness
Posted by: windansea | February 16, 2007 at 12:53 PM-
Yup, wind-n-sniffer!
Posted by: topsecretkk9 | February 16, 2007 at 05:09 PM
citizenspook has some pretty interesting things to say about Plame, the WH, and Fitzgerald:
http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/
Posted by: jerry | February 16, 2007 at 01:13 PM
__________________________
looks like citizenspook aka "jerry" doing some moonbat self-promotion.
not many reading his rants.
Posted by: gumshoe | February 16, 2007 at 05:11 PM
It scares me oftimes to realize how differently the leftists view reality compared to my own understanding of how the world works.
Don't they get feedback when their views turn out to be disfunctional? Perhaps that is why they seem to concentrate in occupations where there is no hard feedback to test their theories.
Posted by: Whitehall | February 16, 2007 at 05:15 PM
It scares me oftimes to realize how differently the leftists view reality compared to my own understanding of how the world works.
Don't they get feedback when their views turn out to be disfunctional? Perhaps that is why they seem to concentrate in occupations where there is no hard feedback to test their theories.
Posted by: Whitehall | February 16, 2007 at 05:17 PM
Top: 17 stupid republicans voted with the democrats for the resolution; 2 smart democrats voted with the majority of republicans against the resolution.
Posted by: tina | February 16, 2007 at 05:17 PM
Exactly..Can't imagine riding over a bridge designed by a leftist.
In a bout 15 minutes I will be on So Cal public radio 89.3 in LA, online it's KPCC.org
Posted by: clarice | February 16, 2007 at 05:19 PM
At least they didn't get a majority of the republicans. For republicans, they held together pretty well. They never vote in lock step, like democrats do.
Posted by: Sue | February 16, 2007 at 05:24 PM
Great Clarice. I have it on, on my computer now (they live stream). So you are on about 2:35 pm (pst)? Right now they are talking Iraq war.
Posted by: centralcal | February 16, 2007 at 05:24 PM
And Clarice gets to be on with LA Times reporter Patt Morrison (always 'behatted'), a regular HuffPoofer, as per a recent column on our Vice President:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pat-morrison/dick-cheney-most-happy-_b_39905.html
...And we must get out of Iraq - for the Animals: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pat-morrison/animals-iraqs-humbles_b_40447.html
Posted by: MikeH | February 16, 2007 at 05:31 PM
Hmm - All I hear on KPCC now is Vilsack blabbering on about his "candidacy."
Posted by: MikeH | February 16, 2007 at 05:35 PM
http://www.scpr.org/index.php#>Here's the link to listen to Clarice. They have a listen live link after you get there! Woohoo!
Posted by: Sue | February 16, 2007 at 05:37 PM
Yeah, Vilsack just wrapped up.
Posted by: centralcal | February 16, 2007 at 05:37 PM
here comes the Libby bloggers
Posted by: centralcal | February 16, 2007 at 05:39 PM
Marcy Wheeler is really stuck on herself.
Posted by: Sue | February 16, 2007 at 05:45 PM
Hey --- Yeee Heee...listning to Clarice...Neato.
Posted by: topsecretkk9 | February 16, 2007 at 05:48 PM
Ms. Wheeler needs to clarify that everyone is not welcome at FDL.
Posted by: Sue | February 16, 2007 at 05:48 PM
Whitehall, I think it's the feedback that makes them so angry. They can't adjust their worldview for some reason.
Posted by: Ralph L. | February 16, 2007 at 05:49 PM
For a change Hinderacker got off the subject of beauty pageants and had this to say on the House vote:
Posted by: azaghal | February 16, 2007 at 05:51 PM
Woohoo! Good job, Clarice!
Posted by: Sue | February 16, 2007 at 05:51 PM
For a change Hinderacker got off the subject of beauty pageants and had this to say on the House vote:
Posted by: azaghal | February 16, 2007 at 05:53 PM
No kidding Sue
I knew the host would not go back to Clarice - never you mind Clarice you and Cox were far more graceful.
and that ungrateful EW would just have to diss Cox - the FDL'ers just can never give credit - that perchance his years long prodding made it possible they obtained their passes? Ya think? Babies.
Posted by: topsecretkk9 | February 16, 2007 at 05:53 PM
fdlol - she thinks her readers are as informed as the JOM readers!
Posted by: centralcal | February 16, 2007 at 05:53 PM
Marcy thinks her readers are as informed as the readers of JOM! snort!
Posted by: centralcal | February 16, 2007 at 05:53 PM
Thanks, Sue
Posted by: clarice | February 16, 2007 at 05:56 PM
sorry for the double comment - typepad is acting squirrely
Posted by: centralcal | February 16, 2007 at 05:56 PM
I love the memeorandum headline in the box to the left of this thread: "Liberal Bloggers Demonstrate Their Political Immaturity, Democrat Says"
No sh*t sherlock!
Posted by: centralcal | February 16, 2007 at 05:58 PM
It took about 15 minutes for one of my posts to go through - the one up above. I went off and did something else and forgot about it!! :D
Posted by: SunnyDay | February 16, 2007 at 05:59 PM
Hey...some good news today...
--GORE: 'I can't imagine in any circumstance to run for office again'...---
Posted by: topsecretkk9 | February 16, 2007 at 06:00 PM
I appear to have missed it by about 10 minutes. Too bad, since I was catching up on the other thread.
I'll try to get it later, if it is on podcast.
Posted by: Alcibiades | February 16, 2007 at 06:01 PM
Great job Clarice. You've not the "no pause" delivery that's necessary to roll over the lib interviewers.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | February 16, 2007 at 06:07 PM
FDL! JOM! Tastes great! Less filling!
Posted by: Ralph L. | February 16, 2007 at 06:07 PM
TS9
Flipped the Bird at the troops? How about a real Lincoln quotation (regarding the Mexican War) Jan 12, 1848:
When the war began, it was my opinion that all those who, because of knowing too little, or because of knowing too much, could not conscientiously approve the conduct of the President, in the beginning of it, should, nevertheless, as good citizens and patriots, remain silent on that point, at least till the war should be ended. Some leading democrats, including Ex President Van Buren, have taken this same view, as I understand them; and I adhered to it, and acted upon it, until since I took my seat here; and I think I should still adhere to it, were it not that the President and his friends will not allow it to be so. Besides the continual effort of the President to argue every silent vote given for supplies, into an endorsement of the justice and wisdom of his conduct
...
The result of this examination was to make the impression, that taking for true, all the President states as facts, he falls far short of proving his justification; and that the President would have gone farther with his proof, if it had not been for the small matter, that the truth would not permit him.
Posted by: TexasToast | February 16, 2007 at 06:08 PM
Thanks, Rick..
Posted by: clarice | February 16, 2007 at 06:08 PM
TM = Steak dinner for Clarice!
Posted by: MikeH | February 16, 2007 at 06:09 PM
The Politico article by Dan Gerstein about liberal Democrat bloggers is utterly on point! He has them completely nailed as to the maturity angle. Click on the link at the left of this thread to see what I mean. What's great is that the critique comes from a Democrat, not a Republican.
Posted by: centralcal | February 16, 2007 at 06:10 PM
"Besides the continual effort of the President to argue every silent vote given for supplies, into an endorsement of the justice and wisdom of his conduct"
There you have it. Honest Abe didn't support the troops. And he was a republican. Shameful.
Posted by: Semanticleo | February 16, 2007 at 06:12 PM
TexasToast - OK.... You might want to get out of the sun down there.
Posted by: MikeH | February 16, 2007 at 06:13 PM
Lincoln?
Let's try Clement Vallandigham on and see who more closely approximates Speaker StarKist or Dingy Harry.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | February 16, 2007 at 06:14 PM
Clarice
I don't agree with you, but you did a fine job.
Peace
Posted by: TexasToast | February 16, 2007 at 06:14 PM
Thanks, TT
Posted by: clarice | February 16, 2007 at 06:17 PM
Glad to see someone has noticed the antics of Mad Jack Murtha,looks like you are going to get Vietnam Redux,only this time the enemy isn't going to stay in their paddy fields,they are going to follow you home.
Interesting the Democrats chose a loopy old man to do the deed,easier to deny later,when he falls off the perch,nobody to question.
JOMers better start taking notes now.
Posted by: PeterUK | February 16, 2007 at 06:21 PM
centralcal
I am sure that MyDD is preparing a "viscous rant and important action alert" for Gerstein right now.
----
Sorry Texas
You don't get to pull the history card only when it suits you.
When you start fessing up to Democrat strong warnings about Saddam's WMD and grave dangers he posed to us - then we'll talk.
Posted by: topsecretkk9 | February 16, 2007 at 06:23 PM
Great job clarice. You're our heroine, and you do it with class.
Posted by: maryrose | February 16, 2007 at 06:25 PM
Pelosi and Reid supposedly "cool" toward Murtha's rantings and ravings.. No Duh!
Posted by: maryrose | February 16, 2007 at 06:27 PM
Peter,
The Democrats are in a hurry. Waiting to betray the Iraqis after we leave takes too long. Getting more Americans killed in order to score political points for their side has never seemed an unreasonable tradeoff to the Copperheads.
Why should they be different today than they were yesterday?
Posted by: Rick Ballard | February 16, 2007 at 06:28 PM
Mad Jack Murtha is Abraham Lincoln?
Posted by: PeterUK | February 16, 2007 at 06:29 PM
Thanks. Maryrose.
Posted by: clarice | February 16, 2007 at 06:29 PM
OT-but for Bush I think it is a good thing that he now has a vocal and highly visible opposition. I think seeing Pelosi and Murtha on TV every night will be a good thing. Bush should be able to play off them nicely.
We should do a job on Murth and refer to him as "unindicted co-conspirator Jack Murtha" and tie him repeatedly to Abscam and Pork.
Posted by: kate | February 16, 2007 at 06:34 PM
Defeatist Pelosi is a twit. Murtha is a senile old coward.
Posted by: Sara (Squiggler | February 16, 2007 at 06:35 PM
Glad to see someone has noticed the antics of Mad Jack Murtha,looks like you are going to get Vietnam Redux,only this time the enemy isn't going to stay in their paddy fields,they are going to follow you home.
I heard someone saying today that between the takeover of our embassy in Iran and 911, there were over 700 terrorists attacks against Americans. Since 911, there are have been none.
So PUK as far as I'm concerned, truer words were never spoken.
Posted by: Jane | February 16, 2007 at 06:40 PM
Rick,
The Roman Senate forbade the Legions to cross the Rubicon,one day they did.This is an extremely shortsighted political gambit by the Democrats.This time it isn't a "drug crazed conscript army" but professional volunteers,many of whom are better educated and intelligent than some of the detritus who call themselves politicians.
This time the military will be taking notes.
Posted by: PeterUK | February 16, 2007 at 06:41 PM
I watch "Rome" every night and except for the fact that the Roman Senators lived in more gorgeous houses and their women were more exquitely garbed, it looks more and more like the Capitol.(Which one is Cicero? Byrd?)
Posted by: clarice | February 16, 2007 at 06:45 PM
Jane, that's not quite accurate.
There was the DC sniper and that Egyptian at LAX. I think they both count.
I forgot about the nutter here in Chapel Hill who ran over people in his car.
But the drop off was huge, and long may it continue.
Posted by: Ralph L. | February 16, 2007 at 06:51 PM
I do notice that the Republicans in the Senate, in the minority, seem to be developing the discipline they so lacked as a majority.
The nomination of John Bolton was one of the few nomination battles I followed on C-spanl. I really liked Bolton, for his blunt style and his views on things like the ICC. and looked forward to his confirmation.
The performance on the Republicans during those hearings was disgraceful.
Posted by: kate | February 16, 2007 at 06:52 PM
The draft military of Vietnam vs. the All Volunteer Force we have today is a major difference, but even a bigger difference is communication. We were lucky to get a letter or several at once every few weeks, same for our letters to our loved ones in Vietnam. Nowadays, the military in Iraq has access to 24-hour cable news, Internet cafes, cell phones, even computer camera hookups so they can coach their wives thru labor and delivery and watch the whole thing. Not only are the military far more dedicated, they are vastly better informed on what is going on at home.
Posted by: Sara (Squiggler | February 16, 2007 at 06:52 PM
citizenspook has some pretty interesting things to say about Plame, the WH, and Fitzgerald:
No it doesn't.
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | February 16, 2007 at 06:54 PM
Clarice,
Ware young Octavian.
Posted by: PeterUK | February 16, 2007 at 06:54 PM
I heart Octavian.
Posted by: clarice | February 16, 2007 at 06:56 PM
PeterUK, listening to my father and his Navy friends, I'd say they took notes last time. That's why the officers are overwhelmingly Republican voters, but thankfully not openly political. That would be wrong.
Posted by: Ralph L. | February 16, 2007 at 06:57 PM
Not only are the military far more dedicated, they are vastly better informed on what is going on at home.
Wish we could say the same of the FBI. Do they even have computers yet?
Posted by: Syl | February 16, 2007 at 06:59 PM
Peter,
Speaker StarKist, Dingy Harry and Abscam Jack are delivering a nice bag of hot air to the leftist fringe. We'll see if the Copperheads have real fangs as the budget moves forward. Right now all they have is a bad case of gas. It's hallmark Dem politics - promise whatever it takes and deliver the minimum possible.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | February 16, 2007 at 07:01 PM
So Clarice,
What did you talk about on the radio?
Posted by: Jane | February 16, 2007 at 07:02 PM
FROM CAROL HERMAN
WAITING FOR TUESDAY. I dare say it's wrong of people to jump the gun on what the jurors actually do. Do. (doo doo?) Only the FATES can say. We can only wait.
After that? I'll wait to comment. Because? In a "what if" situation, ahead of time, why not wonder what the "romans" get to make of the verdict? Why just us?
Posted by: Carol Herman | February 16, 2007 at 07:03 PM
Since I've killed the another thread, I'm off. Ciao.
Posted by: Ralph L. | February 16, 2007 at 07:06 PM
Ollie North's War Stories broadcast from Anbar Provence this past week and there is a major disconnect from the positive things happening on the ground there with the drek the Dems spew in Washington.
Posted by: Sara (Squiggler | February 16, 2007 at 07:07 PM
Since I've killed the another thread, I'm off. Ciao.
Posted by: Ralph L. | February 16, 2007 at 07:07 PM
clarice:
"Rome" is my new favorite show. According to history Octavian was a pretty good ruler.
sara:"Defeatist Pelosi is a twit"I agree completely. Wait until it comes to the funding-dems will show their true colors. Iraq war progresses-improves-dems lose in 08.They are consistently wrong on the issues because their fingers are stuck in the wind and recently in the snow.
Posted by: maryrose | February 16, 2007 at 07:10 PM
Carol,
I've been wondering if it wouldn't be wise to run up a list of 'formers' involved in this thing prior to the verdict. I doubt that the 'romans' have any idea of the amount of deadwood that's been removed.
Powell, Armitage, Eckenrode, Cooper, Miller, Fleischer (on his way before, to be sure), Grossman, Grenier, Schmall?, Ford, Plame - I'm sure there are more that I'm missing but that's a half minute's thought worth.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | February 16, 2007 at 07:18 PM
Those quoting Lincoln conveniently ignore all the Democrats who said exactly what this president said. It's not exactly making them Profiles in Courage, is it?
Posted by: Other Tom | February 16, 2007 at 07:21 PM
If you are really interested in doing something about the senile old coward, Jack Murtha, add the website Murtha Must Go to your feed reader.
Posted by: Sara (Squiggler | February 16, 2007 at 07:21 PM
there is a major disconnect from the positive things happening on the ground there with the drek the Dems spew in Washington.
But of course. The Dems and moonbats spend so much time calculating the politics of a situation there is no time left to hear the news.
Reality-based? LOLOLOL
Posted by: Syl | February 16, 2007 at 07:21 PM
Rick: re: the list of "former"
I hadn't thought of them collectively in that light before. Quite a list and, as you said, maybe not even a comprehensive list, at that.
Posted by: centralcal | February 16, 2007 at 07:24 PM
Octavian also had to wipe the floor with the opposition,he ruled as the Emperor Augustus - a long way from a Republic.
Posted by: PeterUK | February 16, 2007 at 07:26 PM
Dissent in the camp Joe Lieberman
Posted by: PeterUK | February 16, 2007 at 07:29 PM
I'm looking forward to Russert being a "former."
Posted by: bad | February 16, 2007 at 07:29 PM
Centralcal,
Add Ashcroft, Comey and Harlow. I think there might be a few more DoJ and administration people.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | February 16, 2007 at 07:32 PM
bad:
"
"All in good time my pretty all in good time"
I do a mean imitation of the Wicked Witch of the West.
Posted by: maryrose | February 16, 2007 at 07:33 PM
Also looking forward to Fitz being a former.
Posted by: bad | February 16, 2007 at 07:36 PM
bad: Fitz? Yeah, me too. Don't think this trial has done anything positive for his career trajectory (which, I hope, is down and outward).
Posted by: centralcal | February 16, 2007 at 07:47 PM