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February 16, 2007

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Rick Ballard

Bad,

I'm betting you get your wish on both of them by mid-July or early August. Regardless of the outcome of the trial.

Peter,

With Lieberman taking that stand, Dingy Harry needs 11 Republican votes for cloture (if all Dems hew the line). He won't get them. DeWine and Chafee aren't there to cross over and if Coleman blows this one then he'll join them in '08. Snowe and Collins may cross but I can't come up with any others off hand.

clarice

Jane--FDL LOL--Bob got a word in edgewise to describe MBA--the hostess, fairly sneered when she said I wrote for the conservative AR--which is when I stepped all over her, praised TM and JOM and gave everyone here credit for their interest and hard work and talent.

royf

Snowe and Collins may cross but I can't come up with any others off hand.

Hagel and probably Specter

clarice

**AT***

centralcal

Clarice - Fine job. I posted a congrats right afterward, but it got hung up and I had to shut down typepad for awhile. Still wanna see ya on JOM videobloggin in the future.

clarice

thanks centralcal. I elbowed in a plug for TM and JOM as best I could.

Other Tom

Hadda take an east-coast nephew to a long lunch, and socialize afterward. Missed Clarice altogether. Next time I'll blow the kid off. (Actually, the kid is 48 years old. But I'll blow him off anyway.)

hit and run

WTF?!?!?!?!

I'm halfway through the thread.

I missed Clarice on the ariwaves?

And all because mrs hit and run was shopping for a new washer and dryer?

Oh, there will be hell to pay. Hell. To. Pay.

clarice

I think it will be on KPCC.org if you want to hear it.

azaghal

Here's a column by John Podhoretz. Nothing that will surprise regulars here, but a good summary of the issues concerning Russert.

Libby's">http://www.nypost.com/seven/02162007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/libbys_liberator__opedcolumnists_john_podhoretz.htm">Libby's
Liberator

hit and run

Clarice

I don't agree with you, but you did a fine job.

Peace

Posted by: TexasToast | February 16, 2007 at 03:14 PM

That is a Texan for ya. Disagree on substance. But never disagreeable.

I REALLY appreciate that.

Alcibiades

WTF?!?!?!?!

I'm halfway through the thread.

I missed Clarice on the ariwaves?

And all because mrs hit and run was shopping for a new washer and dryer?

Oh, there will be hell to pay. Hell. To. Pay.

[hitting italics oh so carefully]

It's up on podcast already which downloads to itunes. Instructions are at the link above.

I just listened. It starts about 33 minutes into the broadcast.

Distributed intelligence - go Clarice.

Holly

I missed it, too. Bummer. When do you think it will be on KPCC.org?

OT --- John Podhoretz said this today at the Corner: The New Code


Nobody who actually supports the troops says "I support the troops" any longer. The words "I support the troops" are now solely for those who oppose what the troops are doing.

MikeH

MW: - "And I got in a smarmy comment about Hannah!!!!"
"Ha-ha-ha..." "Ha-ha-ha..."

FireDogLake doing the tough lifting.

clarice

Thanks, alci
azaghal, I expect a large part of JPod's argument to show up in the closing--along w/ Russert's memory loss about embarassing things like his calls to the Buffalo News and indictment eve behavior.

Alcibiades

Thank You John Podhoretz!!

But it makes me wonder whether he's reading our site!!!

And you're welcome Clarice.

Jane

Clarice,

It sounds like it was a blast. I'm sure you did a great job! I heard you on the radio another time, altho I can't possibly recall where or when.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

Is a stipulation evidence that the jury is allowed to review as an exhibit? If it were testimony then they would have to have a clerk read the transcript because they are not allowed the transcript for review, correct?

azaghal

We should do a job on Murth and refer to him as "unindicted co-conspirator Jack Murtha" and tie him repeatedly to Abscam and Pork.

Posted by: kate | February 16, 2007 at 03:34 PM

kate, that's an important historical point. I would say that my political coming of age was framed by Watergate (at which time I was entering law school) and Abscam (shortly after I entered my professional career)--with the Church Committee hearings sandwiched in between. And in a very real sense the raw thievery that was Abscam was the fruit of the Congressional power grabs that were Watergate and the Church Committee. Murtha was at the center of it all--with his hand stretched out.

PeterUK

I think we can bestow the title Augusta on Clarice now.

Alcibiades

Wasn't MW's comment about Scooter ridiculous - first of all, it was canned, which she gave away, because she flubbed her delivery of it, so she wrecked her laughline.

wtte of if Scooter hadn't spent 3 days planning the attack against Joe Wilson, maybe Iraq would be going better now.

Oh, so that is what the trial has shown! And that's why the situation in Iraq has devolved!

Makes perfect sense! If you're a moonbat!

RichatUF

from Whitehall...

Don't they get feedback when their views turn out to be disfunctional? Perhaps that is why they seem to concentrate in occupations where there is no hard feedback to test their theories.

I'm still working on the thread, but maybe we could get stinky-pete here to tell us all about being gullible.
RichatUF

clarice

"Is a stipulation evidence that the jury is allowed to review as an exhibit? "

I do not know the practice in J Walton's COurt. It should be treated as a piece of evidence.

It is a given. As if the Court had made a factual finding which the jury must accept as true.

I would have liked to see eckenrode on the stand, but this is a very powerful stipulation--something brought especially to the jury's attention.

azaghal

It's also worth mentioning what the aftermath of Abscam was. Rather than triggering a reform of the corrupt legislative branch, it triggered a decisive taming of the only investigative body that had the clout to root out corruption prior to Watergate--the FBI. Following Abscam the FBI was made to know who its real masters were: not the Executive but the Legislative oversight and appropriations committees. The result is clearly apparent in all the Executive branch and their career staffs, and particularly in the Libby investigation--the FBI has been reduced to being a poodle for the entrenched and politicized career DoJ/CIA/State bureaucracies who are at war with any Republican administration.

hit and run

PeterUK:
I think we can bestow the title Augusta on Clarice now.

I call her hot. But you do as you wish.

azaghal

Thank You John Podhoretz!!

But it makes me wonder whether he's reading our site!!!

And you're welcome Clarice.

Posted by: Alcibiades | February 16, 2007 at 05:32 PM


Reads like it, doesn't it?

hit and run

RichatUF:
I'm still working on the thread, but maybe we could get stinky-pete here to tell us all about being gullible.

I have no standing to do this...but I will.


THWACK!!!!!!

clarice

Azaghal, I thought your observation about the effect of Abscam on the FBI was so interesting I blogged it. (Don't know of course if it will run or when.)

clarice

Jane, that's grounds for indictment!!!!!

hit and run


Thank You John Podhoretz!!

But it makes me wonder whether he's reading our site!!!

And you're welcome Clarice.

Posted by: Alcibiades | February 16, 2007 at 05:32 PM


Reads like it, doesn't it?

Posted by: azaghal | February 16, 2007 at 05:43 PM

He Does

And he and I have exchanged email from time to time. But he don't know me as hit and run from email.......

RichatUF

is typepad acting up...anyway

Hey...some good news today...

--GORE: 'I can't imagine in any circumstance to run for office again'...---

Posted by: topsecretkk9 | February 16, 2007 at 03:00 PM

Now he can devote himself full time to his ecoscam of selling indulgences and preening for African victims of western environmentalism (to generate more misery rents)

I really loath algore

RichatUF

owl

Leave for a few minutes and miss the party. Is it KPCC.org?

Rick Ballard

A number of the people at NRO skim comments here. You don't think they come up with all their ideas on their own do you?

clarice

Yes.owl.

Christopher Fotos

Hey Plamaniacs, Victoria Toensing will have an Op-ed published in WaPo's Sunday Outlook section, "which hands out her numerous indictments for the guilty in the Libby trial: pretty much everyone involved." And for you multitaskers, she is scheduled to take part in a live chat at washingtonpost.com next Tuesday at 1 p.m.

Glad to see there's a podcast of Clarice; I missed it too.

RichatUF

from PeterUK

looks like you are going to get Vietnam Redux,only this time the enemy isn't going to stay in their paddy fields,they are going to follow you home

I hate to say it PeterUK, but the democrats strategy is going to blow up in Europe's face first...but I'm sure when the Great Democratic Utopia breaks out on January 20 2009 those islamists hearts will grow 3 times in size.

RichatUF

Jane

I want Gore to win. Entertainment value and all that. I simply can't imagine that he would have any more impact than Jon Carry.

Azaghal, When was Abscam? I completely forgot.

clarice

Augusta, huh,PUK--"Claudius, I want to be a go-d-dess"

Rick Ballard

Congressional reaction to the Abscam scandal followed the Church Committee's emasculation of the CIA. Pretty much the same group, same tactics, same encouragement to America's enemies and support for communism.

azaghal

The timeline is roughly:

Watergate 1972-4

Church Committe starting in 1975

Abscam began in 1978 and went public in 1980.

As almost always, Wikipedia is a good quick reference:

John Murtha's involvement

John Murtha (D-PA) was one of the Congressmen videotaped in an encounter with undercover FBI operatives.[6] Although never indicted or prosecuted, he was named an "unindicted co-conspirator" in the scandal. As such, he testified against Frank Thompson (D-NJ) and John Murphy (D-NY), the two Congressmen mentioned as participants in the deal at the same meeting. A short clip from the videotape shows Murtha stating "I'm not interested... at this point" in direct response to an offer of $50,000 in cash.[7]

While this statement has been a reference point for Murtha and others who proclaim his innocence, detractors point to the complete video, which offers a more ambiguous picture.[8] At issue are the indeterminacy of Murtha's intentions along with the fact that he did not report the attempted bribe following the meeting, a violation of House Ethics Rules.

In November 1980, the Justice Department announced that Murtha would not face prosecution for his part in the scandal. The U.S. Attorneys Office reasoned that Murtha's intent was to obtain investment in his district. Full length viewing of the tape shows Murtha citing prospective investment opportunities that could return "500 or 1000" miners to work. In July 1981, the House Ethics Committee also chose not to file charges against Congressman Murtha, following a mostly party line vote. The resignation later that day of Republican E. Barrett Prettyman, Jr., the panel's special counsel, has been interpreted as an act of protest.[9]

Mr. Murtha remains prominent in Congress, and has been re-elected by his constituency 13 times over a course of 26 years.

azaghal

Addendum: Murtha dickered with the FBI "sheikh" on video for 54 minutes!

hit and run

Clarice:
Jane, that's grounds for indictment!!!!!

Posted by: clarice | February 16, 2007 at 05:48 PM

Oh, the two of you are THIS close to me arresting you. Up against the wall...[REDACTED]....[REDACTED]....[REDACTED]...

RichatUF

THWACK!!!!!!,

I deserved it hit and run

Sorry I missed Clarice, will try to listen to the podcast tomorrow.

Murtha's new plan-well, we'll just bleed them to death, great boost there. How is it this guy has been around for so long? Is their no "dirty tricks" operators that can splash his face on billboards all over DC taking bags of cash? Opps, I forgot William Jefferson is now on the DHS committee and he was caught by the FBI with 90K in his freezer.

Almost wonder what dirt Soros has on the kook Murtha?

RichatUF

azaghal

Rick,

One of the major "fruits" of the Church Committee was the unconstitutional FISA act--the gift that keeps on giving.

PeterUK

Clarice,You already have Goddess,best we can do is Empress Goddess,unless you change your name to Pelosi.

Alcibiades

LOL Rich:

"...but I'm sure when the Great Democratic Utopia breaks out on January 20 2009 those islamists hearts will grow 3 times in size."


LOL Clarice:

Augusta, huh, PUK--"Claudius, I want to be a go-d-dess"

Speaking of Rome, I heart Octavian, too, but I really wish they hadn't changed actors - the other one was *so much* better.

clarice

I want to thank you guys for sticking around. I have my tv on and as far as I can tell my husband and you guys are the only men in the world not claiming to be the daddy of you know who's kid.

hit and run

Clarice, I really really hope you get out on that flight tomorrow. And have a great time (and think of me often...JUST KIDDING!!!)

Jane

Is Abscam what Mccain was involved in as well?

azaghal

I want to thank you guys for sticking around. I have my tv on and as far as I can tell my husband and you guys are the only men in the world not claiming to be the daddy of you know who's kid.

Posted by: clarice | February 16, 2007 at 06:16 PM

I just got back from dinner with my Valentine. On the way home we stopped at the grocery store and had to run the check-out gauntlet of magazines--apparently targeting women. Go figure. That whole thing is so bizarre. And something I choose to ignore when possible--the grocery store is one of those places where it can't be ignored.

RichatUF

and Koreagate Time article

Wiki ref [stub]

Tong Sun-Park, graduated to the big leagues

RichatUF

Jane

BTW I'm on board with going after Murtha, or Reid, or Berger - Berger would probably be my first choice.

Jane

BTW I'm on board with going after Murtha, or Reid, or Berger - Berger would probably be my first choice.

Rick Ballard

Azaghal,

The major potential for danger in this legislative session is going to be passage of something as stupid as FISA. "Have You Hugged A Terrorist Today?" McCain could be mugged by a lefty at any moment of any day and "Scots Verdict" Specter would cheer him on.

RichatUF

Is Abscam what Mccain was involved in as well?

McCain was one of the Keating 5 an S$L scandal from 1988[?]

RichatUF

azaghal

No. McCain nearly went down in the S & L scandal. I forget the name of that offhand, but I'll bet "wiki mccain" will bring it up.

azaghal

Keating Five controversy

Main article: Keating Five

The Keating Five (or Keating Five Scandal) refers to a Congressional scandal related to the collapse of most of the Savings and Loan institutions in the United States in the late 1980s. McCain was one of five senators who met at least twice in 1987 with Ed Gray, chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board, seeking to prevent the government's seizure of Lincoln Savings and Loan, a subsidiary of Charles H. Keating's American Continental Corporation. Between 1982-1987, McCain received approximately $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates. In addition, McCain's wife and her father had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators. McCain, his family and baby-sitter made at least nine trips at Keating's expense, sometimes aboard the American Continental jet. After learning Keating was in trouble over Lincoln, McCain paid for the air trips totalling $13,433.[71] Federal regulators ultimately filed a $1.1 billion civil racketeering and fraud suit against Keating, accusing him of siphoning Lincoln's deposits to his family and into political campaigns. McCain received a rebuke from the Ethics Committee for exercising poor judgment for intervening with the federal regulators on behalf of Keating. On his Keating Five experience, McCain said: "The appearance of it was wrong. It's a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do."

clarice

Amazing--somehow people just figured out that drugged up promiscuous mothers almost insure the lives of their children will be a misery . Too bad she wasn't an unattractive,penniless gal because by now that kid would be up for adoption by a nice family.

That is my very last word on this BTW.

azaghal

"Scots Verdict" Specter

LOL.

The great constitutional scholar.

Jane

I just can't quite figure out the point of all the coverage. It's ridiculous.


(Thanks azaghal for the primer)

vnjagvet

Clarice:

I just heard the segment. Great job. It sounded to me like Pat was somewhat more disposed to Marci's political point of view, but she at least gave you uninterrupted time to give JOM a great plug.

I was a bit surprised that Cox seemed to go overboard to praise FDL's commenters. Did I misconstrue that? Was I too sensitive to slights?

Other Tom

McCain wasn't involved in Abscam. He was one of five guys who appeared to be giving special access (nothing more) to Frank Keating, a major contributor. Keating was an Arizona resident, so naturally lots of campaign money went to him. Happily, the horrid Alan Cranston was also implicated; I forget the others. Keating was subsequently tried in L.A. Superior Court and convicted on various securities fraud counts relating to the collapse of the savings and loans. I stopped in from time to time when passing by the courtroom where the trial took place, just to spectate for a while. The trial judge was--get this--Lance Ito. It was on the basis of his performance in the Keating trial, which got rave reviews, that he was assigned the OJ case. Unfortunately, when the cameras and the stars showed up, he lost his bearings completely. He's not the first to suffer from that affliction, but he did it on national TV, and he remains a laughingstock to this day.

Other Tom

Azaghal beat me to it, and had more complete info. I had forgotten that McCain (a childhood friend) was implicated to that extent. As I recall, he was the only one of the five who expressed any remorse.

clarice

They (FDL)are furious that the NYT article mistakenly suggested that Cox got them their seats in the media room--he didn't and never said he did--I think he again tried to make that clear. Do not ask! They are as screwy about non-Bush matters as they are about everything else. The hostess of that program is a major lefty dingbat. (I talked as fast as I could.)

Syl

The resignation later that day of Republican E. Barrett Prettyman, Jr., the panel's special counsel, has been interpreted as an act of protest.[9]

Any relation to the Prettyman Courthouse? Or do I have the name wrong?

CLARICE

If I haven't commented on your brilliance on the radio today, it's only because my soundcard died of heatstroke a while back.

But kudos anyway! LOL

azaghal

Ohmigod--Alan Cranston!

::shudders reflexively::

RichatUF

The trial judge was--get this--Lance Ito. It was on the basis of his performance in the Keating trial, which got rave reviews, that he was assigned the OJ case.

We have come full circle. A thread about "Scooter and Shooter", MoDo, snark-we get this. I'm off for a few drinks-and yes, it well past lunch

RichatUF

Rick Ballard

Nothing more?

Keating Five.

After months of testimony revealed that all five senators acted improperly to differing degrees, the senators continually said they were following the status quo of campaign funding practices. In August 1991, the committee concluded that Cranston, DeConcini, and Riegle's conduct constituted substantial interference with the FHLBB's enforcement efforts and that they had done so at the behest of Charles Keating. The committee recommended censure for Cranston and criticized the other four for "questionable conduct."

As it happened, Cranston, who was nearly 80 years of age, had already decided not to run for re-election in 1992. DeConcini and Riegle continued to serve in the Senate until their terms expired, but they did not seek re-election in 1994.

Glenn did choose to run for re-election in 1992 and it was anticipated that he would have some difficulty winning a fourth term in the Senate. However, Glenn handily defeated U.S. Rep. R. Michael DeWine for one more term in the Senate before retiring in 1999.

Keating took turns giving them rides in his vest pocket as well as his jet.

Ralph L.

DeConcini (D) of AZ was one.
McCain was the least involved by far, but they needed a Republican in the mix.

clarice

Thanks, Syl

Cranston was such a P.O.S. and so was Dodd, Sr.--so much for the East Coast establishment.

Sen Wms (NJ) was involved, too, as I recall.Also a bum.

hit and run

That is my very last word on this BTW.

Posted by: clarice | February 16, 2007 at 06:29 PM

Your first word was too much.


THWACK!!!!!

Oh yeah. I could get used to that.

clarice

Syl,Different E. Barrett Prettyman,Jr. Both prominent in DC law circles. Don't know if they are related.

vnjagvet

You did great, even with that handicap. You sounded completely "normal", unlike Marci.

I think Pat was afraid of you:>) And well she should have been. Anyone in the Labor Law business as long as you have been has to be tough. My first 10 years practicing were in that area (I considered myself a pure labor lawyer when I was in the Army, and was with a national LL firm when I got out until 1974).

Margie Pitts Hames was a partner in my firm, and one of the first female southern management labor partners ever. She left to start her own firm, and became, among other things, counsel to the plaintiff in Doe v. Georgia, the companion case to Roe v. Wade. Dorothy (Dottie) Beasley, later a judge on the Georgia Court of Appeals, and Orinda (Orrie) Evans, since 1979 a Federal District Court Judge here in Atlanta, were also associates at my firm in the late 60's, and dear friends and colleagues.

UglyinLA

A Freerepublic.com author named Fedora posted an extensive analysis of the real Joseph Wilson, his business dealings, and what really happened in Africa. It also examines the plot behind Plamegate. Its quite a long read (6 posts total including footnotes and links), but its a must read prior to the Wilsons vs Libby, Rove, Cheney, and John Does civil lawsuit.

Wilsongate: Motive, Means, and Opportunity
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1526309/posts

MayBee

wtte of if Scooter hadn't spent 3 days planning the attack against Joe Wilson, maybe Iraq would be going better now.

Clinton's defenders have long said that if he hadn't been distracted having to defend himself from Starr, he could have done [fill in the blank].
So I agree that if Joe Wilson hadn't made his baseless accusations, Libby and the press could have concentrated on the more important business at hand.
And Libby would still be in his position, and the taxpayers money would not have been spent on yet another politcal investigation.

Marcy is right to put this all on Joe Wilson's shoulders.

Jane

As I recall, he was the only one of the five who expressed any remorse.

And I think he didn't do a lot to indict him in the scheme of things. I know MCCain has done some weird things, but I do think the man has a great deal if integrity.

hit and run

MayBee - konichiwa!

MayBee

Konichiwa, hit and run-san!

I was a bit surprised that Cox seemed to go overboard to praise FDL's commenters.

EW posted a righteous rant against him when he asked her to come into the MBA feed. I don't know if you've ever seen the FDL crowd in action when they think someone has wronged them, but 2000+ posts to a WaPo blog accusing Susan Schmidt and Debra Howell of all kinds of horrible things would teach any blogger that a little compliment = "protection" money.

Ralph L.

Livia was Augustus' wife, Julia his daughter. I once had the rest of the Claudian genealogy figured out, but fortunately for you I'm drawing a blank.

owl

Great job clarice. What a snarky little jab she had to get in about the war.

clarice

Thanks vnjagvet--I concentrated on labor law for only about 9-10 years. She sounded afraid? Cool.

Syl

What a snarky little jab she had to get in about the war.

No snarkier than the non-binding resolution.

And, boy, won't the Democrats look stupid when the 'surge' actually works.

I CAN'T WAIT.

clarice

The media will ignore it when it succeeds..

Syl

The media will ignore it when it succeeds..

And 1000 moonbats reading this will smile at that. The smug little jerks.

But word WILL get out.

hit and run

MayBee:
I don't know if you've ever seen the FDL crowd in action when they think someone has wronged them, but 2000+ posts

Why have I not been informed of this previously?

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

If you and Tom had a book in print you could have peddled it like Miz FDL peddled her autobiography.

Sara (Squiggler

This is very OT, but if you have ever had to deal with blindness in your family, you will be celebrating this breakthrough. My Aunt was blind due to retinal damage, and my Mother had macular degeneration, which my eye doctor has warned me might be inherited.
BIONIC EYE RESTORES SIGHT TO THE BLIND...

clarice

Yeah--but look at the bright side--All those NPR readers will be throwing their money away on ta da "Anatomy of Deceit" LOL

Nag Tom, I'm game.

PeterUK

Stay out of Iran Pelosi warns Bush it's bad for business.

pagar

Off Topic But timely. If anyone is looking for another case of gross injustice this may be it.

>story

Ralph L.

My mother worked as a secretary for the CIA in the early 50's in DC and Austria. She loathed Frank Church, but oddly they both got pancreatic cancer about the same time. Her family thought she worked for the Army. I don't know when she told my father, but she quit to get married.

She worked for Llewlynn Thompson(?) who became amb. to USSR later. Once when she was driving me back from Bethesda Navy Hosp., we drove around the National Cathedral and got swept up in a funeral procession on the way to Arlington. She looked in the paper and discovered, as if for the first time, that it was Thompson's funeral. She never said it was intentional, but we were covert mourners.

Charlie (Colorado)

maybee, nihongo ga hanasemas' ka?

Where do you like in Japan?

Bill in AZ

from an Arizonan, McCain is an idiot...
er... is it too early for "clarice '08"?

Alcibiades

Clarice, did you see the Marty Peretz article in TNR, Tyran-a-Soros">http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20070212&s=peretz021207">Tyran-a-Soros referring to Soros as the Democrat "Maecenas"? (which by the way is a mind boggling read)

Every time I see Maecenas at the orgy scene in Rome, I picture Soros!

Other Tom

Check this current piece on the "surge" from AFP, the headline of which reads, "Iraqi PM tells Bush of 'Dazzling Success." You bet your butts that there is no way any success will be portrayed as a success in the Times, the Post, and the other usual suspect organs. They are way, way to heavily invested in failure ever to admit of anything else. And so are the Democrats in congress. it truly is a great shame.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/16/070216154712.mfivb2lt.html

MayBee

Charlie-
Iie, nihongo ga hanasemasen. Ano....scoshi.

Where do I like? Heh.
I live in Tokyo, do you know the city well?
I like a lot of places, although I've not seen a lot of the country besides the area around Tokyo. I'm hoping to go to Kyoto in the spring.

cathyf
I had forgotten that McCain (a childhood friend) was implicated to that extent. As I recall, he was the only one of the five who expressed any remorse.
Unfortunately, his main expression of "remorse" has been to disembowel the 1st amendment's guarantees of freedom of political expression. He thinks that because it was just too tempting for him, so it must be that political freedom is just too dangerous for people to have.
clarice

Kyoto is my favorite city in Japan..Nara's quite beautiful, too, MayBee.

clarice

Alci--I didn't read it but I will now. He's a big Libby supporter BTW.

MayBee

clarice- I have heard from my Japanese friends that Nara is even more charming than Kyoto. My younger son went to Hiroshima with his class, and really wants our family to go back there when we go to Kyoto. Given time limitations, I think that's what we'll do instead of going on to Nara.
Traveling within Japan is incredibly expensive. As a result, we've seen more of other Asian countries than of our host country.

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