Open Thread Sunday

Still more on Libby, or whatever...

Comments

[Ralph L.]

Looks like we're all waiting to see B York rip into Russert.

[hit and run]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Byron York has very important hair.

But don't hold it against him.

[Rick Ballard]

A search of Clinton Obama at the Google news site turns up 12,322 matches. I wonder if the co-impeached president and the empty suit senator are going to make up or will this spat continue long enough to do them both some damage?

The front loading of the primaries means that the nominations could be just about wrapped up one year from today. Let's hope that the Clinton Obama match gets to straight razors in the dark fairly quickly. It would be nice if the Dems fielded an actual candidate rather than a caricature.

[hit and run]

It would be nice if the Dems fielded an actual candidate rather than a caricature.

Who do you see as an actual candidate amongst the Dems?

[Ralph L.]

Rick, if they can't eviscerate each other, let's hope they won't want to run together.

[Ralph L.]

York's hair is in a very old style. I'll bet his ears stick out (like mine do).

[Rick Ballard]

Bill Bradley and Sam Nunn are both intelligent and honest enough to be good candidates. Dick Gephardt and Bob Kerrey look better in retrospect. The Clinton's did a marvelous job of convincing honest Dem politicians that advancement was hopeless so the list will of necessity be rather short.

[Pofarmer]

I wonder if the co-impeached president and the empty suit senator are going to make up or will this spat continue long enough to do them both some damage?

That's my personal hope, that Obama and Billary will take each other out early, or people just get sick of hearing about them.

OTOH, have you heard anything about the Repub field, except that Guiliani has some problems and Romney is Mormon?

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Sure, start a new thread and don't even say anything. Sheesh.

OTOH, have you heard anything about the Repub field, except that Guiliani has some problems and Romney is Mormon?

The latest scandal in the MSM is that Romney's great grandfather was a polygamist.

[dorf]

Maureen Dood is soooooooooooo important.

[Patrick]

Watching Doris Kearns Goodwin talk on the same show as MoDo is a striking contrast: a serious writer vs. a very non-serious writer. I wonder if MoDow has any idea.

On second thought, I really don't wonder.

[dorf]

Her big head fills the screen, yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dorf]

Doesn't she mean meow meowing? ahahahhahaha

[dorf]

If Byron York could have his hair scientifically replicated made readily implantable, he would be a billionaire.

[donald]

I mean, really who's the serious writer?

[Patton]

Here is another point that Fitz tried to confuse the jury. Here was the Number 1 talking point:
“The vice president’s office did not request the mission to Niger,”

Fitz equates that with:
“The question of who sent Wilson is important,” Fitzgerald told the jury. “It’s the number-one question in the vice president’s mind.”

Where did he get that that question was the number one question in Cheney's mind??

Cheneys talking point refers to not requesting a mission, not to selecting Wilson for the mission. The answer to Cheneys question was the CIA concocted the mission.

[Nick Kasoff - The Thug Report]

Sam Nunn ... now there is a Democrat that many Americans could actually feel good about voting for. Problem is, he opposed gays in the military, and supported capping punitive damage awards. So he has almost as little chance in the Democratic party as Zell Miller.

Nick Kasoff
The Thug Report

[Carol Herman]

FROM CAROL HERMAN

A story full of holes. With interesting tidbits. Woodward, for instance, KNOWS Pincus is LYING! Because he told him the ARMITAGE TRUTH, while PINCUS decided to SPIN THE PLAME LIE. In order to "take down Libby."

And, just like a boat load of prosecutors, where your career depends on the numbers of people you convict; Americans have learned the ART OF OVER-CHARGING.

One thing you can probably bet on. ARMITAGE first tried to get WOODWARD to spin this damned thing. And, he refused. ARMITAGE uses curses. Woodward, stayed cool.

Then? Most of the gossipers KNOW. And, yet they refrain from saying much. As Andrea Mitchell, who did spill the beans, now claims she's a drunkard, too. As well as a ditz.

Russert earns $5,000,000 a year. And, yet is a fat man with "trooth problems" all his own. Obviously, that FAT TUB OF LARD isn't worth $5,000,000 a year.

So? On one side you have OVER-CHARGING. And, on the other? OVER-PAYING. THis is thought of as "balanced reporting," I guess.

By the way, what WOODWARD DID NOT BUY was the ARMITAGE "STORY." YES, Armitage showed Woodward the NIE memo. But he also said CHENEY is the one doing the doctoring, here.

What WOODWARD did not buy is that Colin Powell is an angel.

Woodward also knows George Tenet is DRECK, personified.

A funny conclusion? At some point, ahead, Bush decides to PARDON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. And, removes the secret stamps from the clowns. Putting the real paper out there. SO THAT YOU CAN DECIDE.

[Alcibiades]

Weird and extremely unpleasant.

I just heard a report on Fox news that some of Strom Thurmond's
ancestors owned Al Sharpton's ancestors.

Apparently there will be a press conference later.

[sbw]

Re: Strom and Al --

Ambrose Bierce: GENEALOGY, n. An account of one's descent from an ancestor who did not particularly care to trace his own.

Paraphrasing Andy Warhol, in the future everyone will have their fifteen minutes of flame. Al Sharpton has earned the right to stand on a prominent plinth in the "Jesse Jackson Museum of Who Cares."

[Jim]

Alcibaides,
So, in my opinion, Al Sharpton should look to Strom Thurmond's family for reparations instead of the US Government, which is taxpayer funded!

[windansea]

Apparently there will be a press conference later.

this should be good...why am I so cynical that this seems staged?

[Rick Ballard]

Alcibiades,

The reparations narrative will be flowering for the next two years. If the race pimps run true to form we'll see incitement to violence by June this year.

I saw Amazing Grace yesterday and found it well done. It would have been slightly better had the actual start and finish dates of William Wilberforce's efforts to end the slave trade been clarified but that is a relatively minor point in contrast to the otherwise excellent hewing to historical accuracy. For those unfamiliar with Wilberforce, Westminster Abbey provides his just epitaph.

[Bruce]

"I just heard a report on Fox news that some of Strom Thurmond's
ancestors owned Al Sharpton's ancestors."

And Robert Byrd burned crosses on their lawns.

[Paulina Hunter]

It has been a busy news week in S. Calif. It's buzzing with talk about the news story on our disenrollment and how bad the tribal spokesman looked.

This link is to a story just shown on KNBC Channel 4 in Los Angeles:

http://video.nbc4.tv/player/?id=64156”>WITHOUT A TRIBE Video Report

Take a look at the report that was 4 months in the making. You’ll understand what my family, and over 300 others have been dealing with. There is a place to rate the video and to leave comments. Obviously, Pechanga officials aren’t very happy the story got out. KNBC showed it TWICE, which I'm sure means that the ratings were tremendous.

My blog has a lot of information on Pechanga's despicable actions and links. Gov. Arnold wants to give Pechanga 3,000 more machines. Why? They no longer try to take care of their people.

http://blog.myspace.com/paulinahunterofpechanga”>Paulina Hunter’s blog

Please watch the video story and comment.

[TexasIsHeaven]

"So, in my opinion, Al Sharpton should look to Strom Thurmond's family for reparations instead of the US Government, which is taxpayer funded!"

Essie Mae Williams would probably be glad to talk to Al Sharpton concerning reparations on behalf of the Thurmond family. Maybe Al should get in touch with her.

[pldew]

Posted by: Patton | February 25, 2007 at 08:30 AM:

Here is another point that Fitz tried to confuse the jury. Here was the Number 1 talking point:
“The vice president’s office did not request the mission to Niger,”

Fitz equates that with:
“The question of who sent Wilson is important,” Fitzgerald told the jury. “It’s the number-one question in the vice president’s mind.”

Where did he get that that question was the number one question in Cheney's mind??

In arguement over discovery, Fitz had a different view:

And we're not going to
22 dispute the fact in 2002 neither Mr. Libby nor the vice
23 president knew about it.
24 That's my point. That's why we plead in the
25 indictment that the trip was done at the CIA's behest and they
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01 reported to the CIA. So when Mr. Wilson's says, I assume the
02 vice president heard about it back then, we disagree. We agree
03 with Mr. Wells he didn't.

(Libby Court Hearing transcript, May 5, 2006, pdf p.13)

[Ralph L.]

We learned from the black lady who looked after my grandmother for years that her maiden name was Thompson. My great-grandmother's maiden name was also Thompson, from the same area. There were a lot of Thompsons here, but it was still a bit awkward for a minute, given that many slaves took their owner's surname.

[maryrose]

State of Virginia is apologizing for slavery in its Legislature.
As far as reparations go -I don't think so. My ancestors are Irish" and had to endure "Irish Need Not Apply signs. I will not petition the federal governmwent for past possible wages.
My grandfather worked for New York Central Railroad as did my father. Before her marriage my paternal grandmother worked as a maid in a rich person's home.They never owned their own and rented and moved a lot. During the depression my father quit school to help his family. Everyone has a history of how they made it in America.

[PeterUK]

You want four years of this?

[maryrose]

please include home after own..

[Jane]

I just heard a report on Fox news that some of Strom Thurmond's
ancestors owned Al Sharpton's ancestors.

I predict a civil suit. The statute accrues when someone (Sharpton) knew or should have known, and the issue of damages is pretty well undisputed if you spend 12 seconds listening to Al.

[sbw]

maryrose: State of Virginia is apologizing for slavery in its Legislature.

The purpose of history is to learn from it, not to be held hostage by it.

[bio mom]

Don't be so quick to heap praise on Doris Kearns Goodwin. She has been shown to have plagiarized some of her material in previous books. For some reason all that was pushed under the table and she continues to be a media darling, especially at NBC. I have always wondered just who she is friends with? I think she comes from the same place as Tim Russert?? Or at least they have a friendly association and are both strong Red Sox supporters. I just have a natural suspicion of any "historian" who is also used as a political pundit. The worst one is Douglas Brinkley.

[hit and run]

Rick:
Bill Bradley and Sam Nunn are both intelligent and honest enough to be good candidates. Dick Gephardt and Bob Kerrey look better in retrospect.

OK. For a second, I thought you were trying to say that if we cleared Hillary and Obama, the other existing candidates were good. Of course, having read your work her for a while, I knew in my bones you didn't think that (Edwards? No, Biden! Or Clark...oh, Dodd!, heh.)

[Jane]

I'm not much of a fan of DK Goodwin either. For one thing she hates George Bush. However, a coupled of years ago one of her sons graduated Harvard and immediately enlisted, so sometimes I give her a pass.

[Carol Herman]

FM: CAROL HERMAN
TO: PETER UK

Hillary in the Oval Office? First off, BILL NEVER LET HER IN! And, her trip "baack?" Exactly how does that help the donks?

If this was a boxing match, or a football game, perhaps then men would realize they had the WEIGHT ADVANTAGE.

While the clock moves.

Dunno if they give courses in law school on how to prep yourself in front of clown-like-judges. But Wells was MASTERFUL at moving his closings to the RING OF THE BELL. Very satisfying performances.

As to the jurors? Let's say (since we don't know where they're gonna draw lines in the sand), that in the beginning, they were MORE FOR ACUQITTAL THAN NOT? And, then they got badgered.

How many different ways can this slow-motion-accident, to fall completely off the rails and crash? Ya think UpChuck Schumer can then call a "senate circus?" And, "demand" Cheney appear?

How so? Constitutional bedrock, and all that. At some point the new court, under John Roberts' guidance kicks in. He's no amature. And, unlike UpChuck, he's got his job bor life. GOOD thing he's 50. Since he gets to sit longer than most of the other clowns he's addressing in chambers.

You think this story's over? It's full of so many holes, it just floats.

And, the donks aren't gaining much steam, either. SInce you can say Murtha. And, I can say MIRTHA. And, the clock moves towards a showdown in 2008. Hillary, racing in heels, with her big fat ass shaking behind her; doesn't reach the goal post in time.

And, the lawyers? OVer-charging is a not a good place to be seen on the video cameras directed at the cash registers.

And, Over paying? That's NBC's problem. Tubby Russert, in no way, is worth $5,000,000 a year. That's just IMPOSSIBLE. But true.

Until Immelt sells the dog.

[Patrick]

I know DKG's history, and in fact I disagree with certain of her conclusions. Agree or not, however, there is not a serious question as to whether she is a serious writer. Sure, she essentially wrote valentines to some of her subjects, but she has a strong grasp of history.

Of course, there's also no serious question as to whether MoDo is a serious writer.

[Alcibiades]

Of course, there's also no serious question as to whether MoDo is a serious writer.

Oh man that voice; just...so...annoying.

[Rick Ballard]

"For a second, I thought you were trying to say that if we cleared Hillary and Obama, the other existing candidates were good."

If existence were limited to the ninth circle of hell they wouldn't look bad.

I think Mrs. Clinton is being very cute with her admonitions concerning not raising Bubba as "an issue". It takes a real Stalinist with a good deal of Alinsky training to try that one. Will Mrs. Co-impeached president's opponents allow her to wield the airbrush? We can rest assured that the MSM will - they have followed right in line with her command to use only her first name.

I wonder where she keeps the FBI files?

[Alcibiades]

Rick: What's Alinsky training?

[PeterUK]

The Protocols of Tom and Jerry

[Soreback]

Saul Alinksy, a Radical who greatly influenced Hillary Clinton while she was at Wellesley. See http://www.itvs.org/democraticpromise/alinsky.html

[Sara (Squiggler)]

Pauline -- re: Pechanga --

Neither of your links worked for me and I am very interested in knowing what the stories are claiming. I live practically next door to Pechanga. I'm not a gambler, but I have season tickets for their theatre and we love their buffet and their other restaurants so go there often. They have been very very generous to my area, especially where the schools are concerned, donating millions. They are also considered a very good employer, as far as I know. I know 3 people who work there and the pay is excellent as are the benefits. What is the beef with the them?

[miriam]

http://www.tysknews.com/Articles/dnc_corruption.htm

Saul Alinsky was a mentor to Hillary. He was a leftis/communist.

That's why you hear her talking about taking your money for the greater good.

Dangerouse

[miriam]

Remember, miriam, preview and spell check are your friends.

leftist

Dangerous

[hit and run]

PUK, regarding Tom and Jerry. I used to watch that cartoon every morming (along with Bugs Bunny) when I was in jr and sr highschool. I've always been an early riser and I usually had an hour or so before it was time to go to school.

I just didn't know I was the target of a Jewish conspiracy.

On Saturday's when I was younger, I used to get up around 6 I think and watch Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom.

What propagandistic purpose was that show serving to feed my malleable brain?

[Rick Ballard]

Alcibiades,

Mrs. Clinton chose Saul Alinsky as her hero while in college. She adopted his Rules for Radicals at that point in her life and we were cursed with their application in politics at the Presidential level beginning with Bubba's campaign in '91.

Alinsky was rather intelligent for a commie and his reductionist application of the Marxist dialectic is very understandable at the limited level of intellectual attainment which is the hallmark of the leftist.

Mrs. Clinton's real problem is that the intellectual sans cullotes of today's left seem unwilling to follow the leadership of the realpolitik NYT in annointing St. Hillary for her successful masquerade. She has managed to spawn a great number of Jacobins ready to load her in the tumbril.

I wish them all the best. She certainly deserves anything which might befall her.

[hit and run]

miriam:
Dangerouse

Posted by: miriam | February 25, 2007 at 11:35 AM

Remember, miriam, preview and spell check are your friends.

leftist

Dangerous

Posted by: miriam | February 25, 2007 at 11:37 AM

I just assumed you were referring to Danger Mouse in light of the Tom and Jerry mention...

[miriam]

Mighty Mouse was my personal favorite.

[azaghal]

I've been reading Bob Novak's review of href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=12785&R=EE501DF13">Hubris.

It contains several interesting passages, worth recollecting:

In Hubris, Corn never comes to grips with the fact that Armitage [comment: nor anyone else] could not be prosecuted under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act because Valerie Wilson was not a covert operative under the terms of the law. A 463-page book that is endlessly discursive does not seriously consider that she was no longer assigned to foreign missions because her cover already had been broken. It never even mentions the report that Mrs. Wilson had been outed long ago by the traitor Aldrich Ames.

Hubris misses Armitage's assertion that he "thought" Mrs. Wilson worked at the CIA, information that he indicated was mere chitchat. I responded in a column that Armitage clearly identified her division at the agency and unmistakably signaled his expectation that I would write about her in my column.

Comment: compare Armitage's account with the Woodward/Armitage tape, then decide whether you believe Novak or Armitage.

I am disappointed that so accomplished a reporter as Isikoff did not probe more deeply into exactly what Mrs. Wilson did at the Agency. He must have questioned the story that "Brewster-Jennings & Associates," a nonexistent, totally fictitious company publicly listed by Valerie as her employer, was a cover for many CIA operatives. He must have known that former New York Times reporter Clifford May had also learned that Mrs. Wilson worked for the CIA before my column appeared. None of this was explored by the authors.

Nor by judges. Everyone was ready to accept Fitz' assurances without specific information.

In their tirade against the Bush White House, Isikoff and Corn found a hero: Paul Pillar, then the CIA officer in charge of the Middle East. During the 2004 election campaign, I wrote in a column that Pillar was delivering off-the-record briefings to citizens groups around the country, and was highly critical of the president seeking a second term. Probing such subversion at the CIA might have been an interesting exercise for an investigative reporter, but that is not what this book is about.

And no doubt Pillar was basing his briefings on classified information.

Also, it's interesting to note who was forced out in the wake of Plamegate: Justice--Ashcroft, Comey; State--Powell, Armitage, Taft; CIA--Tenet, et alios. All replaced by White House loyalists, often by WH officials. In addition there have been restructurings and reorganizations: a National Security Branch at DOJ and Defense/NSA officials taking over key intel posts. So, it appears that the WH knew what this was all about--and gives us all hope that someday a definitive true account will be written.

[PLAMENATZ, PETROV]

Negropoonte resigned. Oooh. Didn't understand the Bush friend thing. I guess he looked under Wikipedia under Chayes. Maybe he knew when he was in India or whatever.

Sunnis? Sure it's not Taliban and, gee, when Chayes doesn't pay, start the insurgency in the South where she considers herslef an Afghani. Shayes and Intelligence Committee oversight. The money is going through Congress without authorization or oversight. There are no 'earmarks' for Intelligence Committee funding through USAID and where that money goes-old friends from school and Mass.

So, Plame is the same, just turned on the US early.

[azaghal]

Hubris

[Soreback]

Thank you, Mr. Ballard, for a most cogent word picture of the mighty Hillary.

[Original Wendy's]

Aw, Fitz know what a ciminal conspiracy investigator is supposed to do?

David Johnston / New York Times:
Dismissed U.S. Attorneys Received Strong Evaluations
Link Search: Google, Ask, Technorati, Sphere, and IceRocket
Discussion: GINA COBB and Washington Post

[clarice]

Pillar has also signalled that we should learn to live w/ terrorism because there's no fighting it and the cost is insignificant AND that the mandarinate should set foreign policy, not the elected President.

He appeared in that period at least once w/ Dana Priest whose husband is in the middle of any chart of the anti-war left and Soros.

And Ashcroft and Comet are gone, too.

[clarice]

**Comey*******

[Syl]

Mighty Mouse was my personal favorite.

For me it was Super Chicken!

and George, George, George of the Jungle--Look out for that Treeeeeeeeeeeee!

[MarkO]

Rocky and Bullwinkle could solve this mess.

[Syl]

Hubris misses Armitage's assertion that he "thought" Mrs. Wilson worked at the CIA, information that he indicated was mere chitchat. I responded in a column that Armitage clearly identified her division at the agency and unmistakably signaled his expectation that I would write about her in my column.

Interesting, isn't it, that when Armitage told Woodward he said WMD analyst but by the time Armitage spoke to Novak he had checked further and knew she was CPD.

[clarice]

Well, when he spoke to Woodward it was an off the cuff response to his question. When he spoke to Novak he invited the interview and was clearly trying to get the story out.

[PeterUK]

Really H&R? I had you down as a Wile E.Coyote man.

[hit and run]

Yeah, you get the feeling that if Novak hadn't run the article naming Val, Armitage might have resorted to calling in to Larry King Live as "Dick from DC" to try and cut out the middleman.

[hit and run]

PUK, yeah, Wile E was one of my favs too, it just wasn't a part of the morning rotation on school days....

[miriam]

Syl , Rocky and Bullwinkle has got to be one of the all time great adult cartoons.

Dudley Doright, The Professor, Boris and Natasha.

How could I have forgotten to mention them?

Awesome, funny and right on.

Perhaps, older age is finally setting in.

[centralcal]

H & R: ha ha

Yeah, Larry King Live! That's probably what he should have done at the get go!

[hit and run]

By the way, we're sitting here reminiscing about old cartoons. And I'm sittin here watching Go Diego Go.

::sigh::

[hit and run]

Save the baby humpback wave, Diego! You can do it!!!!!!

[hit and run]

But my daughter is cuddled up with me with her head on my shoulder.

I would watch 4 hours of Joe Wilson's home videos of his trip to Africa for that.

[Jane]

Oh dear, it's Oscar night.

[Sara (Squiggler)]

Rocky and Bullwinkle were my son's favorite, but if we are going to date ourselves then I'm sticking to Howdy Doody, Mr. Bluster and Flubadub and the ever enchanting Princess Summer Fall Winter Spring.

[Jane]

Oh and I was always over the top for Mickey.

[Rick Ballard]

Mr. "We're worth fifteen points." Evan Thomas has an interesting piece up on the Clinton/Obama fracas. One might hope that it's not just innoculation.

[clarice]

h & r--I know what you mean. I had a video chat w/ my grand daughter today who keeps running to the tv screen to kiss me. Wow!

[miriam]

Sara, I am way old enough to remember Howdy Doody and Kukla, Fran and Ollie.

Oh my. I'm getting older by the minute.

[hit and run]

Heh, Jane - we just switched from Diego to Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. Of course, not anything like the Mickey of yore....but...

Meeska Mooska Mickey Mouse!

[miriam]

Even worse? I can remember the very first show I saw on television.

I can't remember where I put my glass of Pinot Noir, but the first TV show is right up there as a very cool memory.

[Sara (Squiggler)]

Miriam, some do gooder friend of my Mother's told her that a child who was still interested in Howdy Doody at age five needed better supervision. So, I proclaimed loudly that I only watched it for the Old Time Movie segment. Bought me at least another season. LOL. I then graduated to the brand new show, the Mickey Mouse Club. Of course, by then, I had begun to discover boys were good for something besides mud pie battles and playing cowboys and Indians and had a major crush on Spin and Marty.

[miriam]

Spin and Marty? Oh no! It's all too much for me.

And the Hardy Boys on Mickey Mouse Club. You know the real one, in black and white.

[hit and run]

OK, not trying to compete on age - I'm a whippersnapper. But, I do remember my first job.

My Dad's remote control.

[Sara (Squiggler)]

Oh I remember the very first TV show I ever watched. My Dad brought the television home to much fanfare and turned it on and we stared at the test pattern for what seemed hours until "I Remember Mama" came on. Recently on the "Remember When..." show, I saw some grainy episodes of that show. I can't believe any have even survived.

[JM Hanes]

Patton:

“The question of who sent Wilson is important,” Fitzgerald told the jury. “It’s the number-one question in the vice president’s mind.”

"Where did he get that that question was the number one question in Cheney's mind?"

That's the genius of the thing: Fitz' proof is the numbered talking point that Cheney/Libby left suspiciously blank! How's that for smoke and mirrors?

The tragicomic irony here is that almost everything Fitzgerald apparently believes about the OVP & Libby is actually true about State & Armitage -- right down to the cloud hanging over Powell regarding his performance at the U.N.

[glenda waggoner]

Does any journalist ever confront Hillary about
her admiration for Alinsky? Is that kinda like a
lawyer asking a question in court he doesn't know
the answer to?

[Syl]

Urk

I'm growing older too.

Andy's Gang (later Smilin' Ed's gang) with Froggie the Gremlin and Midnight the Cat.

Can I really really admit I remember watching that?

Sigh.

[PeterUK]

"Sara, I am way old enough to remember Howdy Doody and Kukla, Fran and Ollie."

That's nothing,I'm old enough to remember Stan and Ollie.

[Syl]

Hit your Magic Plunger, Froggy!

(I'm going to go into hiding now, methinks.)

[Syl]

Sara

"I Remember Mama"

Oh, man, that was one of our family's FAVORITES. We are Norwegian.

[PeterUK]

"“The question of who sent Wilson is important,” Fitzgerald told the jury. “It’s the number-one question in the vice president’s mind.”

Even more ridiculous is the implication that the VP doesn't have the resources to find out pretty damned sharpish.

[miriam]

I'm Norwegian too.

I Remember Mama was one of my favorite movies. I barely remember the television show. You know, we called it television back then. It was before initials for everything.

First show I remember is Broderick Crawford in Harbor Patrol.

First movie on television: The Spiral Staircase.

Scared me to death.

Great stuff.

Omigod, that is so long ago.

[Sara (Squiggler)]

Syl: My Mother was a transplanted San Franciscan living in the East and very homesick for her home by the Bay. She said watching "I Remember Mama" was like having a little piece of home.

[vnjagvet]

Sara:

How about Chief Thunderthud, Dilly Dally, Clarabell (l/k/a Captain Kangaroo) and Don Jose' Bluster (Phineas T's brother)?

But my personal favorite was Super Circus's lovely bandleader, Mary Hartline.

[Jane]

Spin and Marty

Swoon!

Wasn't Spin and Marty a segment on the Mickey Mouse Club?

[Dave in W-S]

Miriam,

That was Broderick Crawford in "Highway Patrol". And another great one was Lloyd Bridges in "Sea Hunt".

[hit and run]

JMH:
The tragicomic irony here is that almost everything Fitzgerald apparently believes about the OVP & Libby is actually true about State & Armitage

Boy that's been rattling around in my mind lately. I WANT Libby to be acquitted. But then my mind starts turning to what is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about this whole case.

right down to the cloud hanging over Powell regarding his performance at the U.N.

Like Pig Pen in Charlie Brown.

How's that for conflation for you? Conflation of thread themes, that is.

[Jane]

How would I search this site to find a post talking about Armitage admitting to being the leaker? Or would it be easier to just googling it?

[vnjagvet]

I not only Remember Peggy Wood as Mama, but Dick Van Patten as Nels and Robin Morgan (later of Playboy fame, circa 1957) as Dagmar.

I would google it to find out who played Lars, Aunt "Yennie" and the uncle (whose name I can't remember), but that would be cheating.

[Sara (Squiggler)]

Oh vnjagvet, I forgot Dilly Dally. LOL.

Jane, yes on Spin and Marty.

[ROA]

miriam: Harbor Patrol or Highway Patrol?

[Barry]

IIRC, there is a paper HillBilly wrote (masters thesis i think) that has not been made public. Because she has taken care to make sure it remains hidden, it probably would not sell to the John Q Public.

[miriam]

Dave, you are right. It was Highway Patrol.
Thanks.
Loved that show.

Oh, duh.