Surely THIS Is Not The Ass-Kicking He Promised?

John Kerry elects to bully a contributer to the Swift Boat 527:

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Senate hearing that began with glowing tributes to a St. Louis businessman and his qualifications to become ambassador to Belgium turned divisive Tuesday after he was criticized for supporting a controversial conservative group.

Sen. John Kerry, D-Massachusetts, grilled nominee Sam Fox about why he donated $50,000 to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth during the 2004 presidential race. The group of Vietnam veterans made unsubstantiated allegations against Kerry -- then the Democratic presidential nominee -- and charged that Kerry did not deserve the medals he won in the Vietnam War.

Geez, last fall Kerry promised to go after the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and "kick their ass from one end of America to the other".  Is this the promised ass-kicking?

Of course, since he is no longer running for President, the ass-kicking may be on indefinite hold.  However, Bruce Kesler had the same reaction to today's story that I did - when will the public, and not just three Kerry-philic media outlets, see Kerry's full military record, and when will any of us see his war diary (the WaPo asked, was rebuffed, and lost interest)?

And despite my confidence that no one in the media will make any attempt whatsoever to pursue this, let me reprise a puzzle of potentially huge headline-generating proportions which I described again last fall:

If I could pick one issue on which to see some documentation it would be Kerry's first Purple Heart.  Two of the Band of Brothers, Zaladonis and Runyon, back up Kerry's account of the incident, described by Runyon as the scariest night of his life.  However, press accounts do not link these two to this incident until early 2004 (I recall a February story, but can link to an April one).

And this is truly baffling - Zaladonis apparently said nothing about this incident to Douglas Brinkley when he was interviewed (repeatedly) for Brinkley's book back in 2003.  Zaladonis sailed on PCF-44, Kerry's first boat, just a few days after the Purple Heart incident, yet he never mentioned to Brinkley his first encounter with Kerry, where Kerry had his first combat and earned his first medal.  Does that make any sense at all?

That is some odd memory by Zaladonis and quite a ghastly interview technique by Brinkley.  What did Brinkley ask, anyway - "Tell me about the second time you met John Kerry?  Do you remember any dramatic events other than ones that led to medals?"  How could Zaladonis have been interviewed repeatedly yet never mentioned this?  If your imagination is not dark enough to provide a guess, try this - in 2003, the first Purple Heart was not a political problem for Kerry; when it became a problem in 2004, Zaladonis stepped into the breach to vouch for him with an invented story.

To compound the oddness, Brinkley makes no reference whatsoever to Kerry's War Notes in his re-creation of the night of Kerry's first combat and first Purple Heart.  One might have thought Kerry would have jotted down a few thoughts, or sent a letter home, or somehow commemorated his first combat and his first medal.  Yet Brinkley, Kerry's very friendly historian, relies on his interview with Kerry (and non-interview with Zaladonis) to tell this tale.

And what does it mean?  Well, it may simply mean that Brinkley is an utter bust as an interviewer and historian.  But *if*, I say IF Zaledonis is, uhh, misremembering his involvement with Kerry's first Purple Heart, then the credibility of the Band of Brothers takes a bit of a hit below the old waterline.

And of course, the long look away by the MSM will also be a bit of an embarrassment - how did they miss this cover-up that has been hiding more or less in plain sight for over two years?  How did they fail to connect these dots?  Why did they let Kerry get a free ride on his Vietnam fantasies?

Oh, why even ask.  But I do have modest hopes that one day real historians will tackle this (we should live so long...).

Comments

[clarice]

Arthur Schlessinger (Kennedy family fabulist-ahem-historian) died today. Douglas Brinkley would be a perfect replacement.

(The last time I saw him he was in a boat in New Orleans w/ Spicoli right after Katrina.)

[clarice]

It is ironic that JFK picked this time to attack the 527's when Soros pumped $2o million into his campaign largely thru smear merchant 527s and Teresa did thru the money laundering Tides Foundation. Was there ever a more full of it hack?

[clarice]

Italiacto!

[Ralph L.]

I remember A. Schlessinger at the Clinton hearings. So very Haavaad.

Surprised TM didn't zing Kerry for whining two years later, like Taranto did in Best of the Web.

I'm curious if his brother officers despised Kerry before his public betrayal of them. I'm guessing yes, and he returned the favor.

[Ralph L.]

At this point, the fogs of war and time and MSM cloud his citations well enough for him to escape. I would like to know why Kerry's discharge was issued so late, in fact in the Carter years, after the amnesty.

[Denny]

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[Ralph L.]

And it will only be open from midnight to 4 am.

[Nick Kasoff - The Thug Report]

There is a simple reason why the MSM hasn't looked into this any further: John Kerry is a "has been." In the unlikely event he is ever a candidate for anything other than senator from Massachusetts, I'm sure somebody will get back on the trail.

You are right about one thing, though: This isn't much of an ass kicking. And I can't think of a reason why he'd give up on that just because he isn't running for President - after all, were it not for those evil Swift Boat guys, Kerry would be President, we'd have peace in Iraq, gas would be $1.50 a gallon, and we'd all be looking forward to President Kerry's second term. Yep.

Nick Kasoff
The Thug Report

[kazinski]

As a proud Swift Boat Veterans for Truth contributor, I can only tremble waiting for the knock on my door. Course my 25$ is going to put me way down the list, but I will say I've gotten more satisfaction out of that $25 than almost any other similar sum I've ever spent. Just reading the article and feeling John Kerry's impotent anger has me smiling all over again.

[MayBee]

Oh, come on TM. This is a verbal ass-kicking if ever there has been one:

"Might I ask you what your opinion is with respect to the state of American politics as regards the politics of personal destruction?" Kerry asked near the end of the hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Ouch! I hope Fox was wearing padding. Or diapers.

[bad]

I think John Kerry is an expert on the subject of ass kicking because I suspect he gets one at least once a day from his wife.

[Ralph L.]

He can take it, but he can't dish it out.

[Jane]

Didn't see this one.

[Jane]

There is a simple reason why the MSM hasn't looked into this any further: John Kerry is a "has been." In the unlikely event he is ever a candidate for anything other than senator from Massachusetts, I'm sure somebody will get back on the trail.

Uh, we'd really like to get him out of that job around here, so maybe someone could indulge us.

[Ralph L.]

So you can get another Sen. Kennedy?

[Jane]

He's up to die.

But we have slim pickings, at any rate.

[BumperStickerist]

For those in the Reality-Based Community who think that it was the Right Wing made a big deal out of John 'Aw-Shucks' Kerry's Military Service, the name of Kerry's PAC?

Citizen Soldier Fund.

Kerry's first action at the Democratic Nomination?

{Bad, Bad Hand Salute} Reporting for Duty

Kerry's Self-Promoting Campaign Biography featured which of the following:

1) Images of John supervising the baking of cookies from his store?

2) Images of John in uniform in Vietnam?

3) Images of John supervising the numbering of the stones of the castle in England so that they could be crated up and shipped to the US to be rebuilt?

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Forget the details of any particular incident, the fundamental conclusion of Kerry's in-country Vietnam service is that, at the end of the day, John Kerry was a combat officer, who risked his life, performed at times heroically, but walked away from his command, because he could.

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[Other Tom]

Having been there and done that, I have absolutely no intention of "forgetting the details" of any particular John Kerry incident. They are seared--seared!--in my memory, I tell you! The man was a deceitful manipulator who abused the awards system for his own aggrandizement, and in the process earned the contempt of the overwhelming majority of his fellow officers.

And for the record, it's the events of the day he got his third purple heart--and a Bronze Star--that trouble me the most. But hell, we ran this fraud out of the presidency, and I guess I'll have to settle for that.

[capitano]

JFK: Teresa, the MSM reporters aren't returning my calls.

Teresa: Swift Boat.

JFK: But what if they bring up my promise to release all my military records.

Teresa: [Chuckle.]

[PeterUK]

It is quite simple,if what John Kerry claims is true,he would have quashed any contrary viewpoints by releasing the details,that he didn't speaks volumes.

[PaulL]

I hope this isn't too obvious, but THIS IS A JOB FOR FITZGERALD. Put Zaladonis, Brinkley, and Kerry under oath and grill each of them for eight hours in front of a grand jury.

[PaulL]

Ralph L. said: ***I would like to know why Kerry's discharge was issued so late, in fact in the Carter years, after the amnesty.***

That is basically the reason, after amnesty. The thinking is that Kerry received less than an honorable discharge, and that Carter replaced it with an honorable one.

The amazing thing is that no one in the military, under severe penalty of law, is allowed to even discuss anything to do with the original less than honorable discharge. From what I can tell, original records were truly destroyed, and replaced with the new Carter ones. No one who remembers is allowed to talk about it, and the paper records are no more. The original records will *not* show up in Kerry's files. They are expunged.

I guess the original thinking behind it is that it doesn't do anyone any good to get a Carter honorable discharge if everyone is going around nodding and winking and hinting that it isn't legitimate.

But in the case of vainglorious presidential candidates running on their military record, it is a problem for people who care about the truth.

[Alcibiades]

Further down in the column, the watchword is it's "a mistake":

--Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, a presidential hopeful and chairman of Tuesday's hearing, said he found Fox's responses "unsatisfying." He said he would have preferred if Fox admitted it was a mistake to contribute to the Swift Boat group. ---

In the post-Oprah era, everyone has to admit everything that is not universally popular is a "mistake." I suppose this is Senator Obama's idea of "reaching compromise" and "negotiating."

[Other Tom]

The more I learn about this Obama fellow, the less I like him.

[Sheage]

Kerry is from Mass. Chayes and Harvard are from Mass. Kennedy has loans for school and PC.

Harvard is a city. It was founded by a Shaker Village. Quakers and Shakers, maybe an earthquake?

[Other Tom]

What's up with this "Chayes" stuff? Why are we supposed to care about this Chayes person?

[Shakage]

I got it ryhmes with Shays.

[JimO]

kazinski

As a proud Swift Boat Veterans for Truth contributor, I can only tremble waiting for the knock on my door. Course my 25$ is going to put me way down the list, but I will say I've gotten more satisfaction out of that $25 than almost any other similar sum I've ever spent. Just reading the article and feeling John Kerry's impotent anger has me smiling all over again.

Thank you, I second your comments. I also contributed and it is the proudest contribution that I have ever made. It really made me feel that I could make a difference. I believe Kerry to be the biggest phoney that we have in politics and there are many. I'm sure that he is carrying the list of all of us that contributed and I say, bring it on. We were ready before and we'll be ready the next time. What a complete jerk.......

[kaski]

Kazinski? I know that name from somewhere. If I remeber right I should leave(run and hide). That Jim guy and that Arthur guy too.

The Arthur guy was a professor and yesterday bothered me so I'll let the JOMs go figure the Afghanistan war and Plame.

Bye.

[Other Tom]

I have the same feelings as JimO and Kazinski. I contributed also, and it still gives me a delicious frisson just thinking about it. As it happens, I ended up giving zero money to the Republican party and everything I had to give went to the SwiftVets. It was an easy choice. And if that phony, pompous son of a bitch had run again, I would have ponied up even more this time.

[fdcol63]

... phony, pompous son of a bitch ...

Well said. LOL

[PeterUK]

Other than,"The dog ate my discharge papers" excuse, why would anyone want a new sanitised version? Why not ask Jimmah?

[Jane]

What's up with this "Chayes" stuff? Why are we supposed to care about this Chayes person?

The same person (or people) keeps referencing Andover where Bush went to school (but Kerry didn't). I can't for the life of me figure out what they are trying to say.

[Uncle Pinky]

Hey, where's the QandO link. I just updated the Java on my box, and that might explain some temporary glitchification, but really. JOM is, of course, on my toolbar, but I like to be able to swoop in and open QandO in a seperate tab. Was there a reason for the de-link?

[centralcal]

Kerry's "war record" is a double edged sword for him. Every time he brings it up it reminds his detractors what it is about him that is repugnant to them and gets the conversations going again. And, I think even some of his supporters cringe about it too (though they will never, ever admit it).

[clarice]

OT--Was the frisson as good for you as it was for me?
Those contributions to the Swifties kept my blood pressure down thru the campaign.Now, what to do when the press says they were discredited?

[bio mom]

Please let the national nightmare that is John Kerry be over.

[Other Tom]

The "now-discredited" meme is something we will just have to live with. All we can do is respond with "you mean he really did spend Christmas in Cambodia?" And we can go to our graves with the satisfaction of having laid this bastard low.

[JimO]

Kerry only saw combat by accident and then phonied up his records to get out of there as soon as possible. When you study the background, he joined the Swiftboats because it was supposed to be light duty away from the action. Then right afterwards their mission changed and he started his games to get out. Even before he went to Viet Nam his other comrades at sea saw what an ass he was.

[JimO]

BIO MOM. Please let the national nightmare that is John Kerry be over.

It would be over if he would not keep bringing it up like he did at the Sam Fox hearing. He knows he's a phoney but he keeps thinking that he is so much smarter than the rest of us that he can continuely defunk the Swifty's. He and the press are still trying ti discredit the Swifty's as Clarice said above. Kerry's people still are giving the Swifty's all kinds of problems but they are men that "really" fought in Viet Nam and did not run away so you can be sure that he will never get them to coward like he did. He's a chicken shit bully and I'm trying to hold back my real feelings.

[tryggth]

Thanks Tom. That tears it... I'm not going to vote for Kerry. Bush '04!

[Patrick R. Sullivan]

Over at the Angry Bear our old buddy pgl was claiming in the comments:

'All (as in 100%) of the Swift Boat claims were crap.'

I reminded him:

'Christmas in Cambodia, anyone?

Which prompted this novelty from him:

'February 1969 - the Tet celebration. Sort of the Vietnamese version of Xmas. But chickenhawks like PRS would not know that.'

[Gabriel]

I made waffles for breakfast to commemorate another moment in the John Kerry Spectacular. They're so much tastier when you're eating them while watching John Kerry constructing a wall of non-sequiturs.

What exactly does the SBVT have to do with the duties of the US Ambassador to Belgium?

Why is the chair of the hearing, Yahwe...I mean Senator Obama, allowing the line of questioning to divert to this trainwreck of subject?

Senator Kerry can't even remember his own Christmases and he's only had around 60. Fox has had thousands of calls soliciting for money in only the past two years.

[Pofarmer]

The more I learn about this Obama fellow, the less I like him.

There isn't much room for me to go lower.

[MTT]

Italics off?

[Other Tom]

I just went to Angry Bear and unloaded. My name appears there as "Wacko," I'm proud to say.

[Pofarmer]

Oh, and I bought, and read, "Unifit for command". I've never seen one thing in their publicly discussed, let along, "discredited".

Feh.

[maryrose]

JimO:
Thank you for your comments. They echo my feelings exactly. Your prsentation was excellent. Every time I think about his original reason for going and then when he realized how dangerous the mission was-he bolted it makes me sick. My brother was at an Air Force Base in Saigon. There was no early exit for him.

[Pofarmer]

Dad was at Cam-Rohn bay.

[clarice]

I truly think (a) he's not very smart. His IQ is estimated at about 125. This after all his social advantages and schooling. I think his natural IQ is about 100-110.(b) He is mentally disturbed. His sisters said when he was young, his favorite pastime was staging plays in which he was the hero. I think he never gave that up. In this hearing, like every other, he comes in very late. What else does he have to do that he cannot show up on time? Staging again.

[Sue]

I truly think (a) he's not very smart. His IQ is estimated at about 125.

I know lots of people who have seriously high IQs and are dumb as a post. They wouldn't know how to pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. Book smarts don't always translate into real world smarts.

[Pofarmer]

His sisters said when he was young, his favorite pastime was staging plays in which he was the hero.

Ah, that's every little boys pasttime. I did it, my boys are doing it now. It's fun, it's healthy. However, it can be taken a tad too far.

[ROA]

Kerry is history, but the biased, dishonest, lazy reporters who refused to cover Kerry's military service especially his “Christmas in Cambodia” speech on the Senate floor are still around. The same reporters who demanded to see all of President Bush's military records and salivated at the chance to publish Dan Rather's “Fake but Accurate” story.

[clarice]

Sue, He's neither book smart nor street smart. He is how to get rich wives smart, however.

[Retiree]

I understand JFK got one of his Purple Hearts when a piece of egg shell scratched him as he was making eggs benedict aboard his swiftie. Official report claimed "Engaged by fire, struck in arm with shell fragment."

[Mike]

I always thought the funniest item to come out of Senator's Kerry's record, or what we were allowed to see, was that President Bush had a higher GPA at Yale.

Fortunately for 49 states and the world, Senator Kerry is done in national politics. Unfortunately for us here in the 1 remaing state, Massachusetts, we are stuck with him.

[Other Tom]

One part of the myth is that these guys were all pissed at Kerry because of his disgraceful and grotesque testimony before congress. That's certainly true so far as it goes, but the fact is that the day he left Vietnam he was held in comtempt by virtually every single one of his fellow officers. To earn that kind of contmept in a mere four months is quite an acheivement.

This fraud's fantasizing goes far beyond Christmas in Cambodia. In letters home, and even in his diaries, he tells of things like his trip ashore in Danang while serving aboard USS Gridley, when in fact his shipmates recall that brief trip made by a shore party of which Kerry was not a member. He recounts as eyewitness testimony the things he heard his shipmates saying.

One of my favorites is a letter he wrote from the Gridley in which he tells of the horrors of war--this while Gridley was in Pearl Harbor.

And there's the inconvenient fact that not even a single one of his supporters from his boat crew verifies any of the Cambodia fantasies--not Christmas, not the CIA guy with the magic hat, not the gun-running to the Khmer Rouge (!), not any of it.

[clarice]

Right, OT and what kind of crazy is that?

[capitano]

Right, OT and what kind of crazy is that?

Posted by: clarice | March 01, 2007 at 07:32 AM

Substantiated.

[Anarchus]

Anarchus thinks that the key to getting out of a hole is to stop digging, a bit of common sense that's escaped Senator Heinz-Kerry.

Bush had better grades than Kerry, but is clearly a dummy since he believes in all the wrong things. Just as serial misogynist Bill Clinton is a fabulous supporter of women because he "believes" in all the right things.

[Carol Herman]

FROM CAROL HERMAN

TO EACH HIS OWN. You can't really have circuses without clowns. And, "Karry?" He's a loser. Married to a harradan. For big moolah.

I think he wears a hairnet to bed. And, is forced to take one Viagra each night; or his "mommy" won't give him an allowance in the morning.

He's just happy she thinks marinaded white raisins are a cure-all. And, he hopes, I'd bet, even if he's hard as a stick for hours and hours, that she falls alseep, while he's steering da' boat.

As to "making it in politics," why would I give a massa2shits? It's a free country. And, often boobs elect other boobs as their representatives. Hardly kicking them in the ass changes any of these dyamics, ya know?

[JimO]

Other Tom

Great comments over at Angry Bear. Isn't it amazing how they change the subject right away to George Bush. Learning to fly and flying a Jet Fighter has to be a very dangerous job and require tremendous skills. And being in the reserves or guard, many units had pretty lack times (I was in the USMC Reserves) but many were also activateed and went to Viet Nam just like they are doing now in Iraq.

When "Unfit for Command" came out I immediately ordered 6 copies and passed them out to friends and neighbors to read and pass around. It really felt great to get the word out.

[Carol Herman]

FROM CAROL HERMAN

Clarice, you're going after "Karry's" intelligence with an IQ stick. And, then firming it up with your psychological diagnosis is pathetic. Stick to your law license. You're poaching in other Ph.D waters when you try to divine what makes Kerry tick.

Except for the facts you know. He married for money. Something women have been famous for; but men try to hide from "that" truth.

As to his "service" to massa2shits, I've noticed he hardly likes to show up in the senate. Which just shows ya like fancy clothes, no matter how you dress up the pig, it's still just a honker.

[rarango]

Its far easier to "kick the ass" of someone who is appearing before your committee in a supplicant's role. Ambassadorships are sinecures for big donors, or in the case of President Clinton and his appointment of Carol Mosely Braun to New Zealand (I believe) payoffs for constituencies.

The fact that Kerry used a hearing for a personal attack suggests that in addition to being a liar, he is a first class coward and poseur. What a piece of pond scum.

[richard mcenroe]

Actually, the problem is, Brinkley is simply useless around water. Put him near a boat and he goes to shit.

Just ask Sean Penn.

[fdcol63]

Can anyone really envision "Te-RAY-zaaaah" as First Lady?

[Carol Herman]

FROM CAROL HERMAN

You know what's a shame?

The junior senator from Wisconsin; Joseph McCarthy, stole all the juice out of "hearings" and committees, long ago.

You can even tell this crap doesn't really make it anymore; because it doesn't make it to U-TUBE. It's just sound bytes for the snoring crowds. Those in old age homes where the TV's are too high up for them to be able to change channels.

While it's a pretty good example that 70-year-olds, not contained in "old-age-homes" (which today are euphamistically called something else) ... can surf the Net. Just like the Art Historian did. (Which of course got her OFF the jury; where they're still asking for more flip charts and large Post-It notes.

Somebody should'a slipped them a Ouija Board, instead. Yes, I do think those people take their roles seriously. But it must be like a Godot rehearsal. At some point they get confused. And, then they try to decipher this shit from the jury instructions.

JURY INSTRUCTIONS: ONE OF THE BIGGEST ITEMS APPEAL COURTS USE TO REVERSE. And, I think I read that here. See what you can do without Cliff Notes?

[Larry (USAF ret)]

Dad was at Cam-Rohn bay. Posted by: Pofarmer | March 01, 2007 at 06:58 AM I was at Cam Rahn May '68 thru May '69. I'm not your dad, but maybe I bumped into him?

Even if SBVT are all wet (I'm sure they're not), JFK 1) Lied to congress about war crimes. 2) Met twice with enemy representatives while a commissioned USNA officer. 3) Praticipated in meetings where assassinations of elected officials were debated. I'm certain if I had done any of these three things, I'd have been prosecuted. Who was JFK's Rabbi?

[clarice]

Fullbright AND Kennedy.
Adam Walinsky wrote that speech for him.

Go watch those Senate hearings again knowing what you know now. Kerry comes in in fatigues looking all rumpled and saying he'd been up all night writing his testimony. Hah!

At the very end Fulbright gets him to put on the record that he's participated in the Paris talks allowing Kerry to put a spin on his participation. Why? To get it out first in a way that would preclude discrediting him with it.
A charade from beginning to end and one the then Administration was totally blindsided on.

[Tom Maguire]

Good catch on Q&O - I added a name to the list but did not check the Typepad default, which looks to be set at 20, so a name was dropped. My bad, and easily fixed (he said...)

Re the Angry Clown - the only things he knows about the Swiftees is that they are evil, evil, EVIL. I really don't want to have to help him confront his ignorance again.

However, in this thread pgl was a rude delusional liar. As a summary.

[ErnestAbe]

I agree with JimO. Learning to fly airplanes in the National Guard is dangerous and we owe a huge debt of gratitude to President Bush for his courage and service to his country.

And you are correct, JimO, that sleazy whiney Kerry thought he could escape real combate on the swift boats. What a lazy SOB. He deserves every bit of ridicule we can throw at him. And when he dies, let's all go piss on his grave.

[Macallan]

Of course if there had been a Texas Air National Guard Veterans for Truth* clamoring that GWB wasn't fit to be CinC, anyone want to take bets on whether Sen. Obama would deem contributions to a TANGVet's 527 to be a mistake?

*I mean besides CBS News

[ErnestAbe]

Did you see what Fox said to Kerry at the hearing:

And, Senator Kerry, I very much respect your dedicated service to this country. I know that you were not drafted -- you volunteered. You went to Vietnam. You were wounded. Highly decorated. Senator, you're a hero. And there isn’t anybody or anything that's going to take that away from you.

FYI, here is a link to the video which shows the whole horrible scene of Kerry bullying Fox and his family. Well, not actually bullying. See for yourself.

[ErnestAbe]

TM is right, the Swiftboaters for Truth had to throw a lot of speghetti at the wall to get the Christmas speech to stick. So what if all the other claims were libelous.

Let's all agree with JimO that Kerry deserves our scorn. Let's all commit to pissing on his grave. That despicable sissy, coward! WE HATE YOU KERRY. WE HATE YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE AND EVERYTHING YOU STAND FOR.

WE PROMISSE TO PISS ON YOUR GRAVE.

[JimO]

Thanks Ernest Abe and others. If you think about it, Kerry has been sucking off of someone, and many, his whole life. Now he is that spoiled kid that did not get the toy (the Presidency) that he wanted and he is acting like a brat. He had depended on his parent's connections, his wives, the Navy (for his personal glory), and the State of Mass. and the government his entire life. What has he truely ever accomplished in his entire life. And to think of how close he was to POTUS. There are decriptions for a person like him but not enough paper to list them. I'll start with "user."

[PeterUK]

"Let's all agree with JimO that Kerry deserves our scorn. Let's all commit to pissing on his grave. That despicable sissy, coward! WE HATE YOU KERRY. WE HATE YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE AND EVERYTHING YOU STAND FOR.

WE PROMISSE TO PISS ON YOUR GRAVE."

I see you are finally getting the message Earnest Abe,do you mind if we re-post this on some lefty sites?

[Pagar]

" Why? To get it out first in a way that would preclude discrediting him with it."

I can't imagine any way which would preclude discrediting him. There is no way that meeting with the enemy (as a private citizen) can be made to look like anything, but what it is.

This Wall Street Journal article
points out that the NYT buried the story of a true America hero.

"Why the New York Times buried Maj. Bruce Crandall's Medal of Honor on page 15."

mean while John Kerry is spinning his latest tale. Compare-An American hero risking his life time after time to save fellow Americans, vs an American meeting with the same enemy and promoting their lies to his fellow Americans.

[NotClarice]

The fact that Kerry used a hearing for a personal attack suggests that in addition to being a liar, he is a first class coward and poseur. What a piece of pond scum.

Posted by: rarango | March 01, 2007 at 07:49 AM

rarango, can you please watch the video and tell us if you still think this was a personal attack.

What do you expect? Fox is coming before a committee on which Kerry serves and he is asking Kerry to vote to confirm him as an ambassador. What would you do if you were in the same situation and someone asked for your vote after they spent $50K attacking your personally, (rather than question you positions or your record, etc.)?

[Macallan]

Thanks EarnestAbe for the video link.

I have to agree, that's a pretty pathetic example of bullying. In fact, I would argue that wasn't even bullying, it would be better termed "whining". Perhaps Mr. Maguire will correct the record and change the word "bully" to "whine" in his post.

[michaelt]

Abe, I would characterize Fox's remarks as kissing the ass of someone who demands his ass be kissed.

It's a Senate hearing, after all. Kerry is just one of the worst of them, not the only one.

Fortunately, we don't have to do that at JOM.

[NotClarice]

Macallan. Either Kerry is too harsh and a "bully" or two much a sissy and "whining".

Just face it, all members of the Democat Party are jerks and pond scum, no matter what.

Oops. I take that back. Joe Lieberman is ok. No wonder they booted him from the party.

[sherlock]

"...why would anyone want a new sanitised version? Why not ask Jimmah?"

Hmmm. You sayin' what I think you're sayin?That the Peanut Man maybe needed to fix a little something of his own? I wonder if what he did in the Navy subs had anything less than satisfactory about it. You couldn't pay me enough to spend 90 days under water with that liar! Maybe some other folks came to the same conclusion.

[clarice]

I never met a bully who was not also a sissy. They bully people who they think can't respond and run home crying to momma when someone does-- Jimmy Dunn was the neighborhood bully until I hit him hard with a rock after he hurt my little sister.

[NotClarice]

michaelt, Kerry didn't ask Fox to do anything except stand up for what he believes.

Now, please watch the video and tell me what Fox believes.

Yes, I know it is hard to find a statement of belief that Fox is willing or able to defend consistently.

We know that Fox knows how to support ad hominem smears. But apparently he can't defend himself in a very simple debate of ideas.

Pathetic little man.

Pathetic group of nasty people corruptong our political discourse.

Shame. Shame. Shame.

[jwest]

It is truly disappointing that Fox would not use this opportunity to reaffirm his personal disgust that J.F. Kerry is an elected official of this country.

All for an ambassadorship to Belgium for the next 18 months?

Fox should have said that he would have pledge his entire fortune to help prevent this country from being led by a person like Kerry.

[Macallan]

"Pathetic group of nasty people corruptong our political discourse."

Who says irony is dead?

[Maxwell Smart]

So Kerry votes for legislation that creates 527 and then grills someone that had no say in the matter about the problems with that legislation?

He couldn't stand by his vote for the Iraq war so I suppose it's no surprise that he goes out the back door on this vote too.

[ErnestAbe]

In case missed it, here is a link to the video.

[JimO]

Way to go Clarice. Throw some more rocks for me. I can't throw that far......

[TallDave]

I guess he didn't think the Swift Vets' dissent was the highest form of patriotism.

[ErnestAbe]

Fox compared SBVT to "a group that compared Bush to Hitler."

Well, this may not have been on Fox news, but the truth is that MoveOn.com had a contest for videos, and some 400-500 were submitted. One or two of those videos contained comparisons between Bush and Hitler, and those videos were removed from the website. MoveOn.com did not finance the creation of those videos or authorize them in any other way, and they did not promote the videos in any way, and they did not pay for those videos to appear as TV ads.

How does this in any way justify the SBVT which was formed specifically for the purpose of personally attacking a veteran's service?

[clarice]

Ernest, darling--what were all those groups who were getting Soros money doing--besides making films w/ Wilson and the VIPS attacking Bush for "lying" to get us into war?

[Dan Rather]

"formed specifically for the purpose of personally attacking a veteran's service?"

But enough about me!

Courage.

[malcontent]

When will we know where George Bush was in '72 and '73 when he was supposed to be fulfilling his duty to his country?

Oh, right, drug rehab under Melvin Sembler.

[PeterUK]

Clarice,
Isn't that the code of the left? Kick the arses you can and kiss the arses you can't.Thus every slavering psychopath gets a pass, decent people get their faces pushed in the shit.

[ErnestAbe]

You all like to call Kerry a "coward" and pond scum behind is back.

Then when one of you, one of your biggest funders, appears before Kerry and has the opportunity to say what you think, to his face, you act like total COWARDS.

Here again is what Fox said to Kerry yesterday:

And, Senator Kerry, I very much respect your dedicated service to this country. I know that you were not drafted -- you volunteered. You went to Vietnam. You were wounded. Highly decorated. Senator, you're a hero. And there isn’t anybody or anything that's going to take that away from you.

Now really folks, do you think you should be calling Kerry a coward? Isn't Fox the coward in this exchange?!

Watch the video, you cowards!

If you are going to resort to childish name calling, you might want to make sure that the name applies more to your intended victim than to yourselves.

[clarice]

PUK, right you are.
Did I forget to say--when everyone saw Jimmy run home crying to his mama, his days as the neighborhood terror were over?

[PeterUK]

"Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world... but for Belgium?

[jwest]

Ernie, I agree with you.

Fox should have said:

“Senator, I was proud to contribute to the Swift Boat Veterans and if needed, I would have pledged every cent I had to the noble cause of preventing a person totally devoid of courage and character such as you from becoming our president”

He may have lost the ambassadorship, but he would have been instantly propelled to rock star status on our side of the aisle.