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Syl

TM

but the referral does not answer the question of whether the CIA believed an IIPA violation had occured.

I disagree. I think it is quite definitive. If the CIA believed an IIPA violation had occurred it would have been referred.

UNLESS

the CIA did refer on an IIPA violation and the Justice Dept determined the evidence the CIA presented to back up the elements in the claim did not meet the standard for prosecution.

In which case the CIA sent in a referral on the release of classified information.

Since all these referrals are classified, even their existence is classified, we may never know.

Tom

Quit whining.

The man was convicted and if he thinks it was not fair, he can and undoubtedly will appeal.

Period.

As to Fitz being "best friends with Jim Comey": Fitzgerald was named by Deputy Attorney General James B. Comey, Deputy Attorney General of the United States, serving in President George W. Bush's administration...so what's the problem?

BarbaraS

Bush's biggest mistake is trying to put a hand across the aisle for bi-partisanship. That hand got bitten too many times. He should have weeded out as many dems as he could in all the beaurocies so he would not be betrayed in the manner in which he was.

Dems are bullies. And like all bullies see compromise as a weakness. I do hope the next republican president will give up this ridiculous attitude of "uniting the country" and realize that there is no
way the dems will join with him for the good of the country. They will just stab him in the back like they have done Bush for the last six years.

boris

Quit whining.

You're the one whining about Fitz.

Your words ...

Why is everybody still so obsessed with this?

Don't ask a question then complain about the answer.

boris

BarbaraS

The dems have declared total war on the republicans and the republicans just sit around like loons and wonder what hit them and why the dems are not being "nice". The answer to that is the dems don't know how to be "nice". That word and attitude is not in their vocabulary.

And Libby was declared guilty be a DC jury. There is not way in the world that any republican can get an acquital in that town for any reason. The jurist who talked said outright that the guilty verdict was because of the war not perjury or obstruction. And that since they could not get Cheney or Rove they had to settle for Libby. What is there about this that you do not understand? The thing was a set up from beginning to end and orchestrated by Shumer. You know Shumer, that wonderful senator from NY, who ordered his staffers to break the law and get Michael Steele's credit report illegally in order to use against him in the Maryland election and then fired said staffers saying they broke this law on their own. This same Shumer who never saw a camera or a mike he didn't like. The same Shumer who thinks he is president and can pull strings at DOJ as if he were president.

ed

Hmmm.

You may be right about her status but don't forget hubby Joe couldn't get through the main gate without being on the visitor list and past the turnstiles inside without someone from the office/organization he was visiting to escort him to the secure area/conference room of the meeting.

Sorry but I go through this every time I visit the HQ of a Fortune 500 company. So it's not really indicative of anything other than reasonably decent security.

SunnyDay

You can't get on any military base around here unless you're with someone authorized to be there.

Tom

boris,
I asked why you were "obsessed" about Plame, not Libby (although he;s right there, too).

As for Fitz, I'm merely saying he did his job.

You're the one who apparently can't live with the result...and now, to be blaming it on the locale...is laughable at best.

Sara (Squiggler)

Is De Vellis Taking The Hit For Geffen?

BarbaraS

As to Fitz being "best friends with Jim Comey": Fitzgerald was named by Deputy Attorney General James B. Comey, Deputy Attorney General of the United States, serving in President George W. Bush's administration...so what's the problem?

The problem is that no one should have this power. No oversite, no reporting and unlimited budget. As I said, a set up devised by Shumer. Comey and Fitzgerald are his proteges and for the life of me I can't understand how Bush could appoint either of them for dog catcher.

Congress let the independent counsel ruling lapse because of the trouble it caused. And that ruling had oversite, had to report to congress and had to account for funds spent. Congress and SC only declared that ruling legal because it had so many checks and balances. The appointment of Fitzgerald had not checks or no balances. He evidently had no check on him at all and he could bring indictments about anything he wanted. In other words he had carte blanche to go after anyone he pleased. Fitzgerald says his mandate is inactive. What does that mean? That he can reactivate his role as SP whenever he wants? He needs to be fired from the SP position and also the USA. I, for one, do not care for the unfair tactics he uses to bring about his convictions.

boris

As for Fitz, I'm merely saying he did his job

Call BS ...

PeterUK, About Fitz: "Because the man is a trophy hunter,he was given a ticket for the biggest game in town"

He was appointed by Bush, he's a Republican, and if Libby had the brains to tell the truth in the first place he would have never been charged. (He's also nailed any number of Democrats.)

Is there something wrong with having the integrity to do the job you're paid to do??

Who was it that changed the subject from whining about poor poor misunderstood Fitz to Libby?

Your lame game is for shame.

Enlightened

Maybe if we try it in phonetics it might light the dim bulb?

I know it's hard to find the start gate, but give it a try.

Wen Fitmus kam on bord, nd wuz breefd by the FBeye, wut lie had Skuutor all redy told that mayd it imposuble 4 the onerable Fitzmus to deesyd hoo the leekr wuz?

There is no honor in knowing a truth (Armitage)and not acting on it (No Armitage Indictment), and then creating a trap (Scooter lying via "lost" FBI notes)to cover your dishonorable lack of integrity.

And then top it all off by the ultimate Liar - Valerie Plame. Honor among thieves I imagine.

Sara (Squiggler)

Novak Cites Semantics Behind Plame’s "Covert" Status

PeterUK

"Fitzgerald was named by Deputy Attorney General James B. Comey, Deputy Attorney General of the United States, serving in President George W. Bush's administration...so what's the problem?"

More than named,Comey gave Fitzgerald unprecedented,unsupervised,unlimited powers.It is likely if Fitzgerald had been under DOJ supervision he would not have been allowed to expend so much on so little,especially since he knew who the leaker was.

Tom

PeterUK...when he referred to Fitz as a "bounty hunter."

CAN YOU READ??

Enlightened

Ya know - Novak seems mighty PO'd about the Plame incident - He knows damn well what the truth is.

Sara (Squiggler)

Researchers Conclude Looks Play Part in Jury Verdicts

I pays to be good looking! So much for justice.

Tom

Talk about being hypocritical.

Whining about what a horrible person Fitz is today, after watching Ken Starr handle the same responsibilities in exactly the same manner.

Oh, have you already forgotten about that?

Sara (Squiggler)

Tom: Starr had to at least justify his investigation to a 3 judge panel. Fitzgerald, on the other hand, had oversight by newspaper article. Big difference.

Enlightened

Oh Brother - I do believe it was Tom that thought my "biased" arguement that Leahy is unethical for flip-flopping eight years ago on congressional subpoenas, but look who goes to the Starr Memorial Bank to bolster his argument.

How do you explain someone that knows an exculpatory truth, and does not act that truth? Honorable huh?

What if this was a Death Penalty case - still think it's OK to broaden the investigation to trap a culprit?

Sara (Squiggler)

Obviously, TM has learned to reset his timestamp right in the middle of a thread. I thought all my clocks suddenly had suddenly gone wacky.

Sue

Oh, have you already forgotten about that?

Forgotten what? I thought it was BS at the time and still do. However, Clinton admitted he lied. Whatcha gonna do? Call him a liar for admitting he lied?

Tom

Is this what everybody here is looking for in an attorney:

The leader of the Justice Department team that prosecuted a landmark lawsuit against tobacco companies said yesterday that Bush administration political appointees repeatedly ordered her to take steps that weakened the government’s racketeering case.

Sharon Y. Eubanks said Bush loyalists in Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales’s office began micromanaging the team’s strategy in the final weeks of the 2005 trial, to the detriment of the government’s claim that the industry had conspired to lie to U.S. smokers.

She said a supervisor demanded that she and her trial team drop recommendations that tobacco executives be removed from their corporate positions as a possible penalty. He and two others instructed her to tell key witnesses to change their testimony….

“The political people were pushing the buttons and ordering us to say what we said,” Eubanks said. “And because of that, we failed to zealously represent the interests of the American public.”

She added that she was ordered to read, word for word, a closing argument they had rewritten to meet the administration’s political agenda, including a rationalization for a $10 billion penalty, instead of $130 billion. Eubanks said, “I couldn’t even look at the judge.”

Enlightened

Fitzgerald is nearly as dishonorable as Nifong -

At least Fitzgerald didn't get caught telling someone to withhold the exculpatory evidence. He just moved the goalposts to invent the crime and ignore the exculpatory evidence.

BarbaraS

Ken Starr was an honorable man and had a sterling reputation until the Clinton machine got hold of him. Everyone on both sides agreed on how honorable he was and how perfect he was to do this job. He didn't want the job in the first place. He was more or less recruited. And his name was trashed by the Clintons. You remember them, don't you? The people who brought the travel office people up on charges because they wanted to hide their role in the firings and not only cost them their jobs but their savings also re legal fees. And the firings were to put the Thomasons' travel company in their place. The Thomasons were friends of the Clintons and a cousin of Bill. The Clintons trashed Starr's reputation just like they do all their enemies and even most of their friends. Once they have sucked you dry they have no further use for you. But the suckers on the left don't understand that or don't want to understand that. I have no doubt and no one else has either that Clinton put Berger up to the theft at the National Archives. There is no limit to the sacrifice he will demand from his followers.

Enlightened

Bwaaahhhhhahahahh. Tom - Jeezuz you are really making yourself look silly.

This story about Sharon Eubanks has been thoroughly debunked. Take a look at some other blogs. She is a CREW affiliate and is linked to numerous leftwing blogs.

Here, I'll make it easy for you:
http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2007/03/22/delightful-omissions-about-sharon-eubanks/

PeterUK

PeterUK...when he referred to Fitz as a "bounty hunter."

CAN YOU READ??

More to the point Tom,can you think.I agree,with your take on "bounty hunter","head hunter" is more appropriate.
BTW a man with integrity and legal expertise would have refused the job of Special Prosecutor with those powers.I would,wouldn't you?

BarbaraS

The government had no right to sue the tobacco companies. These companies did not hold a gun to smokers' heads and demand that they smoke. I smoked for 25 years and I don't recall anyone telling me I had to. Government needs to stay out of private industry. Look at the Clinton administration sticking their oars in private companies and making them break up or share their resources with rivals. One thing Bush has done is stop this. Now all you hear on the business news are mergers. Clinton made AT&T split from Bellsouth and now AT&T has bought Bellsouth. The dems are trying to make Wallmart pay their part-time peoples' health ins. and raise their wages. What will this do? Raise Wallmart's prices or course. Dems have no idea about economics and never have.

And the states broke the law when they all joined together and went after the tobacco companies.

Bill H

This sounds like a bad spy novel but think about it.

Maybe she really was covert:


There was no reason to think Plame was covert. There were reasons to think she was not covert.

When she was under official cover she was suppose to be with the State Department in the embassy in Greece, she used the embassy as her mailing address. Her cover was suspected to be blown.

The more recent Brewster Jennings cover was paper thin.

Her private life was somewhat public.

What better way to hide, that is, if you want certain people to know that you are with the CIA so that they can approach you to be a double agent so that the CIA can feed the certain people false information.

Enlightened

Surprise Surprise....House backpedaling on forcing Bush's hand on the subpoenas...per Raw Story

Tom

Enlightened,
Actually the report is in the papers today, and as for your "debunking" claim, you have to come up with something better than a right wing blogger.

As to Fitz, I guess you could call him a headhunter, a damn good one, too, especially considering 4 out of five convictions.

* And, if he's such a "dishonorable" attorney, why isn't he being investigated or disbarred?

PeterUK

"* And, if he's such a "dishonorable" attorney, why isn't he being investigated or disbarred?"

Why isn't he ashamed? No citizen of a democratic country should accept such totalitarian powers.

Spartacvs

Patrick R. Sullivan : 'Only at the confirmation stage when Novak already had his story leaked to him by Senior Bush Administration officials.'

Novak's only scoop was the revelations about Wilson's wife. Again, what did Kristoff write about Wilson's wife?

Enlightened

No brains, no headache. Read the WHOLE WAPO article. Try not to leave out the IMPRTANT parts i nlieu of the allegedly LURID leftwing talking points.


"But if a reader bothered to read on to the 8th paragraph (after the fold), one would learn that these allegations were

*****investigated by the Justice Department's Office of Professional Responsibility*****

which concluded that there was

*****no political meddling in the case.*****

And if one continued to read even further, this time to the 13th paragraph, one would learn that decision by these so-called meddlers to scale back the scope of the charges against the tobacco companies was validated by the trial judge.


http://thoughtsonline.blogspot.com/2007/03/ive-written-before-that-media-bias.html


Spartacvs

Bush's biggest mistake is trying to put a hand across the aisle for bi-partisanship.

Your eyesight must be bad, it wasn't a whole hand - just one finger.

Tom Maguire

Picture the eager investigator. He walks into the office, has his first cup of coffee; nothing much going on so he says to himself: hey, I think I'll gather some facts and see if a crime has occurred.

I would pay extra to see that intrepid investigator show up at the headquarters of The Nation (or the Times) with that rap - "Oh, I'm just gathering facts, we don't investigate statutes here, but we may get back to you." Kafkaesque.

Since no one seems to be facing prosecution under the IIPA for leaking Plame's name why would a Congressional investigation into the matter restrict the definition of covert to that in the IIPA.

Congress is certainly free to investigate whether Ms. Plame had classified status (although Fitzgerald said she did in Oct 2005, and who doubted him? Well, until cathyf).

And Congress is free to investigate whether Ms. Plame had covert status under the IIPA.

But please don't tell me that we now know her status under the IIPA (as many lefties claimed) when that was not the conclusion produced by the hearing.

I’m no Sherlock Holmes but, wouldn’t someone who had “set out to gather the facts” want to quiz Gregory and Mitchell on the subject?

Correction - you are no Patrick Fitzgerald.

That said, I think Andrea did in fact talk to the FBI, and Fitzgerald is keeping that quiet as well.

The evidence is that she said she did (OK, with Ms. Mitchell that is pretty slim), and I can't quite square it with Fitzgerald standing around like a cigar store Indian during the trial while the NBC lawyer told us what Ms. Mitchell might say if asked - surely citing her FBI statement would have been timely, albeit embarrassing for NBC.

Well - I know the newsies will follow up on this with Ms. Mitchell, just as they have with Gregory.

Enlightened

Who says Ftiz isn't going to be investigated?

Spartacvs

*****investigated by the Justice Department's Office of Professional Responsibility*****

which concluded that there was

*****no political meddling in the case.*****

Would that be the Bush Administration Justice Department's Office of Professional Responsibility?

Tom Maguire

Abdul: Bob Novak says she's a CIA Operative! Karl Rove told him so!

Mohammad: We're screwed!

LOL. But is anyone else troubled by the apparent... oh, forget it.

Spartacvs

Tom Maguire : But please don't tell me that we now know her status under the IIPA (as many lefties claimed) when that was not the conclusion produced by the hearing.

We don't know her covert status under the IIPA and likely never will, but what I'm saying is that it's irrelevant anyway since the IIPA definition isn't controlling if no prosecution under the IIPA is envisaged.

As to whether Plame was covert under the IIPA simply isn't definitive or dispositive as to whether she was covert in the normaly accepted sense of the word. In fact the IIPA definition is completely irrelevant to anyone but a bunch of sore looser right wing bloggers and Toestink of course.

Patrick R. Sullivan

'Novak's only scoop was the revelations about Wilson's wife. Again, what did Kristoff write about Wilson's wife?'

Christ almighty! Get off your lazy ass and reread what I wrote (and to which you were responding:

'When asked about the ex-ambassador starring in the Kristoff column, the CIA's story was that it was Joe Wilson, his wife worked at the Agency and she had something to do with his being sent to Africa. The info about Valerie wasn't dug up from some secret cache of info about their spooks by Bush Admin Officials. It was freely and openly given out by the CIA.'

Novak is irrelevant.

Tom Maguire

Libby was convicted by a jury who heard every word of testimony, from BOTH sides.

How many here were in the courtroom. How many were on the jury?

It took longer than I expected, but that specious argument has finally surfaced.

As a matter of fact and legal practice, the jury knows less about the case than we do - witnesses and issues that are important to the case were not presented, for various reasons.

Also, the jurors relied on their notes and memories (although they had access to trial exhibits and can ask to have testimony read back to them).

So I have no doubt that most folks here are better informed than the jurors.

hit and run

Tom (Maguire)*
although Fitzgerald said she did in Oct 2005, and who doubted him? Well, until cathyf


Oh, I think cathyf hung the moon.


---
*Tom (not Maguire) any chance you would be amenable to changing your handle to something to differentiate you from the host? I mean, we can say "Tom Maguire", but really, it's his house and I think any time we say "Tom" it should refer to him. Other Tom (where's HE been?) was so kind.

lurker
"We don't know her covert status under the IIPA and likely never will, but what I'm saying is that it's irrelevant anyway since the IIPA definition isn't controlling if no prosecution under the IIPA is envisaged.

As to whether Plame was covert under the IIPA simply isn't definitive or dispositive as to whether she was covert in the normaly accepted sense of the word. In fact the IIPA definition is completely irrelevant to anyone but a bunch of sore looser right wing bloggers and Toestink of course."

So if Fitz was initially assigned to find out if there was a crime committed by disclosing classified information and you claim that IIPA is irrelevant, then exactly what crime was committed?

Interesting how the leftwing trolls kept harping about Plame's status being leaked is a crime for the last 3 years...

Now they're backpeddling. Now they're gonna have to tell us exactly what crime was committed.

hit and run

Damn right I want to be a Tom name dropper - and by Tom mean the host. And act like we's BFF!

hit and run

As to whether Plame was covert under the IIPA simply isn't definitive or dispositive as to whether she was covert in the normaly accepted sense of the word.


Yeah, we need a special counsel every time someone who is "covert" in the normally accepted sense of the word......is outed by her husband, herself and her employer -- before the administration has even heard of her.

Enlightened

Yeah that's right - Bush's OPR that none of you leftwing asshats gave a shit about in 2005 when they handed down their decision on the tobacco case, nor has anyone - Including Sharon Eubanks - sqawked about this decision before now.

Go ahead, jump on the pony ride. The whole debacle is melting into oblivion. Eight people got fired because they suck at their job. Next.

Tom Maguire

From syl:

but the referral does not answer the question of whether the CIA believed an IIPA violation had occured.

I disagree. I think it is quite definitive. If the CIA believed an IIPA violation had occurred it would have been referred.

Good point - I may toss in a "except by ommission" or something.

...and as for your "debunking" claim, you have to come up with something better than a right wing blogger.

I think that for the typical lefty that is true - facts are not facts unless they see them at Kos.

For the rest of us, if the lawyer in question is at CREW, the fact that a righty dug that up is irrelevant.

hit and run

lurker:
Now they're backpeddling. Now they're gonna have to tell us exactly what crime was committed.

What crime? What crime!?!!!??

The crime of being Bush or working for BushCo.

Pofarmer

Think what you want, but the man has integrity and appears to be honest to the core.

Maybe he's just really gullible then.

Tom

Tom Maguire: "So I have no doubt that most folks here are better informed than the jurors."

Hell, why have trials, courts, juries?

Just run everything by this board and leave it at that.

*Okay...ala G.W....bring it on!!

Tom

Pofarmer: "Maybe he's just really gullible then."

Yeah, that's it.

boris

Tom Maguire: "So I have no doubt that most folks here are better informed than the jurors."

Hell, why have trials, courts, juries?

It's Friday so this wins the non sequitor of the week!

boris

(almost Friday)

hit and run

Not The Real Tom:
Hell, why have trials, courts, juries?

In 99.99% of cases, the juries have more info than the public.

The Libby trial was the exception rather than the rule.

So, maybe we shouldn't go all the way even in this case to "maybe this trial shouldn't have had a jury" ... but it's pretty damn disingenous for you to start with the plenary maybe we should have NO juries.

Should justice be done in Libby's trial?

Well, to keep the rule of law - he was convicted according to the rule of law.

BUT that does NOT necessarily mean justice was done.

It's legitimate to say that the rule of law should be upheld. But in some cases, that means that justice is sacrificed.

Sara (Squiggler)

"Not our Tom" Tom is a BDS dumbass who obviously has serious comprehension skills.

hit and run

Hey wait. That sounds like a decent argument for a pardon.

hit and run

Boris:
(almost Friday)


It's Friday somewhere!

MayBee!!!!!!!!!!

Enlightened

Hey guys help me out - Didn't someone on JOM say something about Linda Sanchez or Loretta Sanchez not wanting to get involved in the USA debacle? So they would most likely back down on the Dem rhetoric? Am I dreaming? Did I inhale?

Linda Sanchez appears to be backpedaling on forcing GWB's hand on the subpoenas.

And why is it this whole heap of steaming ---- is now page 10 news?

What happened?

Enlightened

(Sorry I think I'm off thread) Whispering.....let's talk.....Dems caving to the WH...per LEFTY blogger/commenters.

What the hell is going on?????

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002851.php

Tom

Sara,
Thanks. Very human of you.

Enlightened

Yeeeeipes. Some of those lefty comments are priceless.

Nancy Pelosi for President?

I'm.going.to.hit.the.Tequila.

Now.

Sara (Squiggler)

'Twas the Night Before Friday.
By podcasts@redstate.com (Redstate Network) on Congress

Twas the night before Friday
And all through the House
Not a Speaker was stirring
...because she was having her drinks stirred for her at Cipriani's in NYC as part of a fundraiser for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee*. As opposed to, say, staying at home and helping out her already overburdened lieutenants - the ones that haven't already jumped ship - as they try to put together a bare minimum majority on tomorrow's appropriations bill; after all, the Trumps and the Soroses will be there! Real people, in other words. Not like those grubby little proletarians that keep shouting so outside of her home.

Tom

hit and run,
That's why we have the appeal process.

PeterUK

"It's Friday somewhere!"

It's Friday here,and I'm going to leave the empties for you to pick up.

hit and run

Enlightened:
What the hell is going on?????


Hard to tell. We'll have to wait until the trolls get back with the next set of talking points.

hit and run

PUK:
It's Friday here,and I'm going to leave the empties for you to pick up.

You know, I wouldn't call myself a world traveler, but I've been a fair amount of places. Yet, I've never been to the UK.

For shame.

PeterUK

"Nancy Pelosi for President?" Did they say where? Zimbabwe is going to need a replacement.

Enlightened

Well they tried and failed with the Sharon Eubanks retread. I guess the left is convinced that most of the Functional Literates that read papers in the US don't bother reading the WHOLE article. Ya know, the part that says there was no criminal act, no political meddling....

Sara (Squiggler)

Well, "Not our Tom" Tom, your statement was just plain dumb. There are many things withheld from a jury because it doesn't meet certain evidentiary requirements under the law. I'm sure the lawyers here can give you a long list, but let's just take one: heresay. Lots of statements could be in the public domain and never make it in front of the jury. That does not necessarily mean that the statements are untrue, just that there is no way to bring them in. And there are lots of things that have been discussed and researched to death in the last 3 years that the jury never heard about or even if they did, did not have the underlying information to understand the import or lack of import of the information.

Rick Ballard

Cathyf,

Re the differences between the two EO's - the striking difference is the extension of the President's plenary power to declassify any and all information to the VP.

Libby received the Plame info first from the VP. The VP did not assign any classification status to the info whatsoever according to Libby's note (that's certainly what some of his symbol hieroglyphics referred to).

That would explain why Waxweenie used the Clinton EO, it provides a possible explanation of Fitz's "cloud" talk and it may even explain the rumored blowup at the WH between Cheney and Bush.

Cheney may have been briefed re Plame with a "Top Secret - Eyes Only - Burn Before Reading" memo, discarded it as CYA for a CIA agent who had become a political operative for the Democrats and said "Maybe it was secret before but it ain't now."

I believe your description above is absolutely accurate regarding the information flow on Plame via the INR but the INR may not have been the only "source of information".

Just speculation but I do think there were separate information tracks re Democratic activist Plame and her sorry ass excuse for a husband.

PeterUK

Oh all right H&R,the key to the wine cellar is under the kaKio li,u,DAMN Brrakin uP pjj;----..,,

Enlightened

Well, the buzz in the leftosphere is GWB and Cheney and Rove and Libby and Rice and AGAG and Tigger all know they have done ILLEGAL acts, punishable by JAIL, so they are destroying all the EVIDENCE, so they can RIDE OUT the term......ummmm, I kind of suggested Clarice do a drive by in her beautiful tin foil ensemble.

MayBee

SparticvsWe don't know her covert status under the IIPA and likely never will, but what I'm saying is that it's irrelevant anyway since the IIPA definition isn't controlling if no prosecution under the IIPA is envisaged.

I agree that for Waxman, whether a law was violated is completely irrelevant. That much is completely apparent.

sylvia

Testing.

Spartacvs

So if Fitz was initially assigned to find out if there was a crime committed by disclosing classified information and you claim that IIPA is irrelevant, then exactly what crime was committed?

Fitz was assigned to determine who was responsible for the leak and if there were a prosecutable crime involved. There most definitely was a leak and the leaker's were identified, though Fitz determined none of the leakers could be prosecuted. Liars, obstructors of justice and perjurers are always up for prosecution in any investigation, as Scooter found out.

Spartacvs

sylvia

Wow. I never thought this day could come. Am I in a time machine? I don't see a DeLorean or a wacky white haired guy, so I guess not.

hit and run

PUK:
Oh all right H&R,the key to the wine cellar is under the kaKio li,u,DAMN Brrakin uP pjj;----..,,

I'm on my way.

MayBee

It's Friday somewhere!
MayBee!!!!!!!!!!

It's Friday morning here, but without Other Tom I just don't feel right hitting the gin this early.
You know what tomorrow is? The start of vacation.

PeterUK

" Liars, obstructors of justice and perjurers are always up for prosecution in any investigation,"

Hillary wasn't.

hit and run

MayBee:
You know what tomorrow is?

Tomorrow is yesterday's two days from now.

Enlightened

No leakers could be prosecuted for the alleged crime the SP was tasked.

So.........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Okay, goalpost moved -

Memo:
Fritz to Comey: Sir - No crime, no leakers can be indicted. Can I try to find another crime?
Comey: Oh yes, I will formally move the goalposts for you so you can get that Rat Bastard Rove.
Fritz: Thank you sir may I have another.

And voila' - New Scope, New Crime, New Victim, nothing to do with Valerie Plame.

Yep, that is leftwing Justice at work.

Just don't turn the tables on them.

Tom

PeterUK,
Hillary?

sylvia

Here are some excerpts of CathyF's greatest hits on this thread:
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"Because the information that appeared in Novak's column, when traced back through the chain of custody to its source, was unclassified on Feb 19, 2002.

There was a 15-month gap between Valerie Plame disclosing her status to the INR meeting-goer and the INR meeting-goer passing it on in the report that Armitage read and passed on to Woodward, Novak and maybe others.

Not claiming any big braindom, but the biggest difference is that the vice president has the same authority as the president to declassify stuff. (Note that a big part of the skulking around by the WH and OVP wrt Wilson was that the president and vice president made a managerial decision not to go over Tenet's head and just declassify everything that would prove that Wilson was lying."
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Well that further answers my question about whether Fitz had a leg to stand on with the "other" charging crime in the indictment about the classified documents. The important memo's were declassified by the VP before Libby spoke to the reporters. The last question is, when did Fitz KNOW that this was declassified, and when SHOULD Fitz have known this.

This goes back to my theory that you can continue an investigation on good faith, so if Fitz didn't find this out until after Libby's interview, it wouldn't really count in Libby's favor. But if Fitz knew this, or should have known this BEFORE Libby's interview, then Libby's false statements don't count, as they were part of a fraudulent investigation and should be reversed on appeal due to prosecutorial misconduct.

PeterUK

Hillary?

No Tom Thumb.Hillary

Tom

sylvia,
speaking of gaps: 18-day gap in the 3,000 documents on the U.S. Attorney purge

Geeee, I wonder where they are?

Tom

PeterUK,
Back up your b.s. or take a hike.

MikeS

This is not helping my dyslexia.

We already had the Real Tom and the Other Tom.
Now we have a Wrong Tom. I suppose there is still room for a native American Tom.

PeterUK

Great news for Iraq - and SUV drivers and not a subpoena in sight.

PeterUK

Tiny Tom,
Behave yourself young man,you are not at home now.

PeterUK

"I suppose there is still room for a native American Tom."

Tom Tom?

boris

Tom Foolery

Enlightened

Tom - you really need to check your facts before you post.

The "gap" is when Bush was out of the office travelling - go find the links yourself. You don't bother to check first, and you don't bother to read any links provided.

Lew Clark

I always thought Tom M was connected to the spy bidness, but I never pegged PUK. Until that encrypted message he just sent.

lurker

Congress's real goal is crippling the Bush Presidency.

clarice

I set up dial up..and now feel human again!

That Eubanks story was a Carol Loennig special, wasn't it? How in the world did the news editor put that non-story on the front page? How much further down could she have put the OPR info (OPR is BTW a non-partisan career office) and the info about the Judge? And how is it she forgot to mention that Eubanks wwas a Clinton appointee who now works for CREW?Othewrwise, it's a first rate piece of work. LOL

SunnyDay

Posted by: lurker | March 22, 2007 at 10:27 PM
***************88

That artilce stopped short - the real goal is to get Rove, and then use him to get Bush. They still want to impeach, they always have. They just toned it down to get themselves elected.

Tom

enlightened???

"The "gap" is when Bush was out of the office travelling - go find the links yourself. You don't bother to check first, and you don't bother to read any links provided."

Yeah them damn emails can't be sent or received...if you travelin'.

DUH.

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