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March 23, 2007

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TMF

THe incompetence of the Bush administration pales in comparison to the incompetence of the Dummys.

TMF

Fortunately the "lame duck" PResident Bush can and will shoot this thing dead, dead dead

Good luck getting an override with that 1 senator majority, DUmmys

Sara (Squiggler)

Tony Snow will be taking a medical leave in order to undergo surgery for a small growth in his lower abdomen. He will be out for a few weeks.

TMF

sara

Countdown to snarky death wishes at huffington, KOS etc:

t minus negative 5 seconds

Sara (Squiggler)

Official: Blondes Not Fit for Mideast Diplomacy

Gee, you mean it isn't because of some revenge plot hatched in the OVP and published in a news column?

Tom

TMF,
"THe incompetence of the Bush administration pales in comparison to the incompetence of the Dummys."

Now that's what I call an ass-backward compliment.

ErnestAbe

This Washington Post editorial was even discussed on the floor of the House today. Here is the video. Pretty embarrassing!

Rick Ballard

Look, if you think herding Copperheads is easy, try it. Speaker StarKist is doing her very best. The fact that it's not very good has as much to do with the low quality of her caucus as it does with her inept incompetence.

ErnestAbe

I'm sorry to hear about Tony Snow, and I hope he gets well soon.

It was strangely prescient of Clarice to write this morning that "We are beginning to see the left's effort to shut off the right side." And then, just moments later, I wrote "...Is Tony Snow going to turn off his microphone...."

I'm not saying that Clarice is involved in the vast leftwing conspiracy, but ....

I report... you decide.

danking70

It says that the President will hold a press conference at 1:45pm.

He'd better say that this bill is DOA.

sferris

Most Americans want to the War in Iraq brought to a close. Even with the imperfections in the current bill, it's better than the open ended commitment we currently have. The Iraq war will go down as the the worst decision made by a modern American president.

From the Wall Street Journal Harris Poll:

Most American's Favor Withdrawal Timetable

sferris

"The American people have lost faith in the president's conduct of this war," the Associated Press quotes House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as saying.

danking70

See how the left conviently leaves out the Vietnam comparison...

sferris

Majority in the House voted to require the president to withdraw almost all U.S. troops from Iraq by August 2008. The bill passed 218-212. Congratulation Nancy.

TMF

Any significance to the fact that the date is just prior to the Nov. elections

No cynical posturing there, no siree

What kind of majority do you have when it takes a few billion in bribes to win a vote (BARELY win a vote at that!!!!)

Elections have consequences. Veto away, President Bush.

TMF

Majority in senate will agree with President Bush's veto and not have enough votes to override.

Congratulations/Mazel Tov Senator Lieberman and President Bush.

sferris

Republicans think the lesson of Vietnam is that we just didn't stay long enough? The Republicans have simply lost their minds. Are they arguing Iraq is like Vietnam. And that we could have won in Vietnam just like we can still win in Iraq. Republicans are delusional.

TMF

People with a rudimentary understanding of history understand that Vietnam does not = Iraq

TMF

People who think Newsweek and the NY Times are a source of objective history probably do see the connections, OTOH

Sara (Squiggler)

The lesson we learned from Vietnam -- Democrats are whiners and losers who cannot stand the military and do everything they can to get them painted as less than human so that the cowards and wimps can feel more manly. Like anyone could think that about them. They HAVE to manufacture failure in Iraq or their egos will totally collapse. Of course, we didn't lose in Iraq and we are not losing in Iraq now.

sferris

The important thing is the bill passed the House. The Congress has finally stood up for the majority of Americans. The debate over ending the war in Iraq has just started. Republicans who support an open ended committment have to run for re-election unlike Bush. The most recent poll shows a huge plunge in voters who identify themselves as Republicans.

For a full look, see the report:

Political Landscape More Favorable for Democrats

Sara (Squiggler)

A majority of Americans support subsidies for peanut farmers? News to me.

hit and run

I don't know, I don't really spend a whole lotta time in WaPo, so this may be common. But I noticed that JOM shows up in their "Who's Blogging?" section in this article:


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TMF

The majority of americans were for the war before they were against it

Too much American Idol, Oprah and Barack Obama books

TMF

The majority of americans/Democrats were for the war before they were against it

Too much American Idol, Oprah and Barack Obama books

sferris

Iraqis will ultimately decide who wins in Iraq. The US will not support an open ended comittment in Iraq as Bush wants.

sferris

Of course, Bush has vowed to veto anything that doesn’t give him everything he wants, without conditions — even if that means voting against the very bill that funds the war itself. The pressure gets turned up a little more on Bush. It was a real test of Speaker Pelosi’s leadership. Congratulation Nancy!


Sue

Pelosi bribed and threatened and managed a 6 vote majority. I think it is a short lived victory.

Sue

It was a real test of Speaker Pelosi’s leadership.

Hmmm...when Delay did what Pelosi did to get votes, it was bad. And today you are congratulating Pelosi for 24 billion in bribe money? Okay. Congratulations. What do you get for 24 billion dollars? A 6 vote majority.

topsecretk9

"bribed and threatened "

I thought liberals were against pressuring to get what they want?

sferris

Victory is a victory. The headline will declare the Congress passed a bill to end our troop commitment in Iraq by 2008. In the context of the war in Iraq, twenty four billion dollars is nothing. The war in Iraq is conservatively estimated to cost 1.2-3 trillion dollars.

sferris

Troops in Iraq need funding which is why Bush will veto the bill which would give it to them.

TMF

Bush:

"This is an act of political theatre"

Yep

DrSteve

sferris, is what happens to people in Iraq after we leave the responsibility of the people who voted "yea," or are you pinning it all on Bush no matter what? I'm guessing the latter.

Rep. Obey's little Eddie Stankey story yesterday was pitched right at you, me bucko.

Sue

The headline will declare the Congress passed a bill to end our troop commitment in Iraq by 2008.

Yes it will. Until the headlines are replaced with President vetoes spending bill to end troop commitment in Iraq by 2008. She doesn't have the votes to overturn a veto. Oh well. As long as your headlines make you happy today.

DrSteve

Troops in Iraq need funding which is why Bush will veto the bill which would give it to them.

Let me rework that for you:

U.S. troops in Iraq need flexibility to respond to circumstances on the ground, which is why the Defeat Now Caucus passed the bill which would strip it from them.

Rick Ballard

Tops,

Do you think that Speaker StarKist met with Abscam Jack Murtha and Cold Cash Jefferson to formulate the correct bribery strategy?

Now that the Copperheads have formalized their alliance with the islamists shouldn't we refer to the bribes as 'goat' rather than 'pork'?

TMF

Its quite the gamble

The defeatists are hoping that things are going lousy in Iraq in late '08, so they can stand by this cut and run vote

They better pray their insurgent buddies are primed in the campaign season

TMF

"The headline will declare the Congress passed a bill to end our troop commitment in Iraq by 2008"

of course it will, your fellow partisans are writing them

Enlightened

Yessir 25 Million dollars for the Spinach Growers.

You mean a bailout for the ORGANIC spinach growers from San Benito CA that lost so much money in the Taco Bell E. Coli debacle?

But We DO SUPPORT the troops! They just need to eat E-Coli infected spinach!

ErnestAbe

President Bush,

Elections have consequences.

Surge! Purge! Dirge.

sferris

Let Bush veto a bill that supports the troops and sets a deadline for our troop withdrawal from Iraq. Yes, Bush can veto the bill but there are consequences to using a veto when it's clear the majority of American do not support his open ended comitment. What is also clear is he is no longer controlling the debate over the war in Iraq. Congress isn't supporting him, and neither is the American public.

Rick Ballard

Will Copperhead leadership meet with Ahmanutter in NYC this weekend to discuss the next step for the alliance?

Perhaps they could meet at the WTC site - I'm sure Ahmanutter would love to see it and Nancy could give him some tips on other sites that he might find useful.

After all, what are strong allies for if not to help each other?

TMF

abe

Speaker Pelosi

Bribe! Connive! Nosedive

Enlightened

***Correction - the BAGGED SPINACH***** E Coli outbreak

Although it looks like the lobbyists didn't get quite enough pork into the bill -

"Sumner expects losses of $50 million to $100 million if the source of the outbreak is identified and contained within a month. Most of that will fall to agriculture businesses, but restaurants and grocers will be hurt, too."

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/2006-09-19-spinach-usat_x.htm

topsecretk9

--Let Bush veto a bill that supports the troops--

Yeah, by way of peanut houses - contrary to what you think of the troops - they ain't as dumb as you think they are.

Enlightened

Just like a friggin lefty - let the spinach grower sell the public - and let it sicken 250 people and kill 3 - a product that is unlcean, and then BAIL THEIR ASSES out when the lose money.

This is just disgusting. The only thing that could be worse is if GWB does not veto it.

sferris

The significance of today's vote is it's the first crack in what has been an impenetrable wall around the White House's defense of the war in Iraq. The White House is no longer in control of this debate. Pelosi deserve credit for her leadership in getting the bill passed.

MikeS


I really don't feel like a hyper-partisan. It just seems that I am generally inclined toward the opposite of the al Quaeda or Hezbollah positions on issues.

It's the media that always label that as a Republican position.

Sara (Squiggler)

The President made it clear in his 1:45 EDT press conference that he WILL VETO the bill if it makes it thru the Senate in its present form. Of course, it won't make it thru the Senate and besides it is all for show anyway and has absolutely no teeth.

The majority of Americans, BTW, do NOT support a cut and run strategy nor do they support starving the troops.

SlimGuy

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll186.xml

This is the roll call on the vote

TMF

Veto, No override, bill goes back to Pelosi.

Good luck with that, Nancy girl

TMF

DUms will cave.

Timeline will be withdrawn

Unless Nancy girlie ups the ante and doubles her bribes

Rick Ballard

"Pelosi deserve credit for her leadership in getting the bill passed."

She sure does. I'll be surprised if Ahmanutter doesn't make a public statement thanking her for support when he lands in New York. There may even be congratulatory messages from al Queada leadership on her desk as we speak.

sferris

You can oppose this war and still support the troops. This is exactly what the House bill that passed does. American's do not support this war any longer. Opposiiton to the war in Iraq will only increase with time. Count on it.

Nancy faced a leadership test with the passage of this bill and she passed. She has the support of the majority of this country.

TMF

If AMericans oppose the war, then the Dums should have the balls of their convictions

Defund the war. Do it now.

Dont play these yo-yo games

Obviously the Dums dont think the majority opposes the war or they'd have the balls to defund it

This is just weaselly clintonite triangulation

sferris

Al Queada wants us in Iraq. Our presence in Iraq has been the best recruiting tool Al Queada could have asked for.

TMF

The principled message the Dums just sent was this:

"This war is morally wrong and evil and illegal. Most americans oppose it and want the troops home."

oh, by the way,

"Here is billions and billions of dollars for the war"

Now THATS leadership!!!

PeterUK

"I'll be surprised if Ahmanutter doesn't make a public statement thanking her for support when he lands in New York. There may even be congratulatory messages from al Queada leadership on her desk as we speak."

Sorry Rick,I disagree,Pelosi is a woman.

TMF

Its hard to say what al qaeda in Iraq wants

Most of them are dead

Enlightened

sferris - back to the mothership, pronto! Madame Mother Speaker is even now working up the latest talking points memo.

The Dems got smacked for not following the Presidents advise - Send Me The Bill With No Consessions.

Again - another Dem dog and pony show.

PeterUK

"Al Queada wants us in Iraq. Our presence in Iraq has been the best recruiting tool Al Queada could have asked for."

Where would you rather fight them,down town Manhattan?

sferris

The Democrats are taking steps to defunding the war. And it appears to be working based on today's bill that passed in the House.

If you think Democrats are going to listen to Republicans talking points on how they should vote to end the war in Iraq you are very deluded.

MikeS


Al Queada wants us in Iraq
So the captured al Quaeda correspondence that said step #1 of their plan was to get the U.S. out of Iraq, was ... reverse psychology?

Enlightened

Nancy Pelosi has the support of the majority in this country? S

Hmmm, Code Pinkos notwithstanding, and all their minions. And I do believe Markos Monkeylitsas is none to happy with Madame Speaker.

Nancy Pelosi is on the fast track to becoming the absolute worst Speaker ever. And being a woman, we can add her disgraceful respresentation of Women with Power. And she ties it all up with a dandy slipknot yanking her eyebrows nearly over her scalp. She even gives facelifts a bad name. And NONE of the above is for any CHILDREN. It's not going to get better either.

sferris

Let's make a mess of Iraq so we can fight Al Queada in Iraq? The flypaper strategy is both deeply flawed and stupid.

TMF

"taking steps" to defunding the war

LOL

Leadership

If most americans unreservedly oppose the war, where is the political harm in ending it NOW?

Could it be.....you are....wrong?

TMF

Iraq was pretty messy before we got there, w/ all due respect

Ask Rahman Yasin, the '93 WTC bomber who lived there for a decade or so

Andy

sferris, you can stop saying "Americans" want this and "Americans" want that anytime now. You don't speak for me and Pelosi doesn't speak for me and your polls never talk to me either.

"You can oppose this war and still support the troops." Left out the Iraqi people didn't you?

ErnestAbe

PeterUK, says "Where would you rather fight them,down town Manhattan?"

That's the old "Flypaper Theory."

How has that working out for you? Ask any soldier about how fun it is in Bahgdad. Great place for us to be fighting all those bad guys and trouble we stirred up and attracted to Baghdad. I'll tell you that I don't feel any safer back here at the homeland.

One reason you don't hear the White House spouting the flypaper theory anymore is that the Cheney Administration has fanned a real hornets nest in Iraq, that has killed many times more people (U.S. soldiers, U.S. contractors, Iraqi bystanders, etc) than were killed in NYC on Sept 11.

Rick Ballard

"Sorry Rick,I disagree,Pelosi is a woman."

I wonder if Nancy can take the evening burkha that she bought for the occasion back to the store?

TMF

Or Abu Nidal who was assassinated right before we invade

Because im sure he had no knowledge whatsoever of Sadaams ties to terrorism

sferris

Ad homien attacks is standard Republican talking points. I guess Hastert your idea of a good speaker?

Republicans lost the last election and they stand an even better chance of getting an even bigger thumping in the next one.

PeterUK

"House Democratic leadership has come up with more than $20 billion in new spending,"

So in essence buying the nutroot and moonbat vote has cost the American taxpayer $20 billion?

TMF

Bush is an idiot, liar, Hitler, incompetent

Cheney is evil, criminal, should be assassinated

Are those standard Republican talking points?

Enlightened

Ad hominem attacks are bipartisan and the left had cornered the market until the right started fighting fire with fire.

Deal with it.

PeterUK

"The flypaper strategy is both deeply flawed and stupid."

You know this,how?

When Ernest Abdul says it he is simply doing his bit for the cause,but you Ferris?

sferris

The problem for Republicans is not Pelois, it's George Bush. Pelosi was elected to the house leadership based on deep discontent in this country with both George Bush's and Republican leadership. It's that simple.

ErnestAbe

Heads up. Another document dump is coming from the DOJ.

Yup, it's Friday afternoon. How convenient.

Wonder if the new docs will fill in the 18 day gap.

Didn't they say we had ALL the documents?

TMF

Flypaper strategy seems to be working, frankly

Rather not have to hunt AQ in Quetta, Karachi, Riyadh, Addis Ababa and Damascus

Rather shoot them dead in the streets of Baghdad

sferris

No serious policy or military thinker supports the flypaper theory. It was tossed out when Iraq went to hell in a hand basket.

Rick Ballard

"So in essence buying the nutroot and moonbat vote has cost the American taxpayer $20 billion?"

Nope. The bill is DOA. The theater will keep the Code Pinkos out of Pelosi's office for a few days. The action in the Senate should be amusing. I know the al Queada provisions will be stripped but I wonder if all pork (oops - goat) will be killed.

sferris

You can add the chaos theory to the fly-paper stategies that have tossed by the wayside as a result of the war in Iraq.

Enlightened


Only two items needed to be agreed upon
1) Should we defund?
2) When does the pullout start?


The bill by the House and the bill by the Senate prove in no uncertain terms the derangement of the Democrats.

sferris

Pinkos? The cold war is over if you hadn't heard.

MikeS


No serious policy or military thinker supports the flypaper theory.

Would these military thinkers be Katie Couric and Cindy Sheehan?

topsecretk9

Geezus has anyone seen the HuffPu comments about Tony Snow? ...someone up thread, enlightened? barely did a countdown...Dems are depraved sickos

"f*&^, he's pure lying scum and should die ASAP"

our commenter "Tom" has a similar in another thread at JOM.

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/03/23/tony-snow-to-undergo-surgery-recover-for-several-weeks/

Enlightened

sferris - I suggest you take a personal trip to Baghdad, so you can report factually from the ground. Your talking points about the situation there are based on AP lies and distortions.

Keep trying though - your team got bit in the ass, so a lot of damage control is needed today.

I guess Madame Speaker sent out an urgent Memo for the team to pull together after yesterdays absolute meltdown.

sferris

Derangement of Democrats? They didn't start the war in Iraq, this was done by this White House. Republicans should be focused on saving their own party, that GWB has managed to destroy in six years.

Enlightened

Forget it - it's not fun hitting a brick wall with a 2x4....

TMF

topsecrtk9

I predicted it at the top of this thread

THats what the left does.

Death wishes, ad hominem, making unsupported claims about what "serious military" thinkers say

DrSteve

Nancy faced a leadership test with the passage of this bill and she passed. She has the support of the majority of this country.

* Her pick for Majority Leader had been John "Bribe me later" Murtha
* Her pick for Intel Cmte. Chair doesn't know the difference between Sunnis and Shia
* She thinks Rep. Cold Cash belongs on the Homeland Security Cmte.

SMART, PRINCIPLED LEADERSHIP. AMERICAN VALUES.

Tom

Sara: "The lesson we learned from Vietnam -- Democrats are whiners and losers who cannot stand the military and do everything they can to get them painted as less than human so that the cowards and wimps can feel more manly."

Really?

Why not list all of the current administration people who served in Vietnam...and did YOU?

topsecretk9

Sorry TMF - I see now it was you that predicted it - man it's sick.

TMF

Democrats voted to invade Iraq by a 10 to 1 margin

Passing the buck- typical Dum manoever

Cecil Turner

They didn't start the war in Iraq, this was done by this White House.

Hilarious. Anyone got a copy of the Constitution handy? What's Hillary!®'s latest excuse for her vote?

sferris

I would suggest that all 101 keyboard supporters of this war in Iraq should go enlist. Last I heard there was a troop shortage. Also, enlistment requirements have dropped to admit convicted felons. Another negative affect the war has had on our military.

Tom

sferris,
"Derangement of Democrats? They didn't start the war in Iraq, this was done by this White House. Republicans should be focused on saving their own party, that GWB has managed to destroy in six years."

Don't waste your breath, this is the land of deep delusion and believe me, they're not going to like what appears below:

Public allegiance to the Republican Party has plunged during George W. Bush’s presidency, as attitudes have edged away from some of the conservative values that fueled GOP political victories, a major survey has found.

The survey, by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, found a “dramatic shift” in political party identification since 2002, when Republicans and Democrats were at rough parity. Now, 50% of those surveyed identified with or leaned toward Democrats, whereas 35% aligned with Republicans.

What’s more, the survey found, public attitudes are drifting toward Democrats’ values: Support for government aid to the disadvantaged has grown since the mid-1990s, skepticism about the use of military force has increased and support for traditional family values has decreased.

One should always be cautious about throwing around words like “realignment,” but the Pew Center’s poll suggests the Republicans’ problems go beyond just Bush and a tragic and unpopular war.

PeterUK

Sorry Ferris,this is an adult board,this simply will not do:-

"No serious policy or military thinker supports the flypaper theory. It was tossed out when Iraq went to hell in a hand basket."

This a argument by assertion,it might work with your school friends but it won't work here.

Tom

Tony Snow to have surgery.

They think it may be a conscience and want to get it before it spreads.

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