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March 06, 2007

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Sue

Well, guys, had the verdict gone the other way, I would be over 'there' doing what is being done over 'here'. ::grin:: The fact that I was wrong again, it was 4, not 5, just goes to show I can't even guess right when I'm at my most pessimistic.

Tom Maguire

Now, we start looking higher.

And do keep looking - with the help of that flashlight, you ought to find your a** any minute now.

Well, my 3 outr of 5 held up OK, darn it. Next Bold Prediction - he never spends a day in jail.

sylvia

Caution - troll warning on this thread. They just happened to be out today for this.

glenda waggoner

Snap out of it! Now, Fitz will attack WH and Cheney
w full-frontal-And after the jury starts to talk,
the light will shine on russertgate, fitzmas, etc.
Oh, and the defense will be hitting back hard, and
good men and women everywhere will scratch public
service off their list of things to do. We all lose
on this one.

MikeH

No disrepect to Mr. Libby or Vice President Cheney, but the comments by "Shaman infinity" (heh!) will be the tip of the iceberg in the coming moonbat delirium. Should be like Mardi Gras at NBC.

Gabriel

Anyone talking about a pardon of Libby better realize that Libby is the one that went to bat for the Marc Rich pardon. Libby was Rich's defense counsel in the 80s DoJ prosecutions. Libby was the administration official that encouraged the Bush administration to drop the pardongate issue when the Congress was considering open hearings on the matter.

Libby has run out of options. He mortgaged his future. Take the appeals route. I wish him the best. But to pardon him would be an unexusable offense by President Bush.

M. Simon

The lost FBI notes did him in.

Barney Frank

--It will just make you easier to identify later as society works its myriad ways of eliminating and marginalizing destructive ideologies.--

LOL. Sharpening up your ice pick pete?

shaman ∞

God bless that jury!

roanoke

You can't have that until you have a sentencing.

M. Simon

BTW the Classical Values link is working again.

sylvia

A trip to the UAE for Libby?

Cecil Turner

I took for granted they would be settled the same way.

Shoulda been . . . the Defense admitted he told the same story both times. I'm not terribly surprised by the overall outcome, but the specifics are a bit odd. It looks like the tea-leaf readers at FDL were on the same wavelength as the jury . . . which also ought not to be terribly surprising. Wonder if we can get the only pertinent bit of jury demographics (ratio of registered Reps to Dems) now?

RichatUF

1: Guilty
2: Guilty
3: Not Guilty
4: Guilty
5: Guilty

sylvia was right after all-the jury broke their oath and speculated on Val's classified status. Not Guilty on his FBI conversation with Cooper (but then how could he have NOT lied to the FBI about Cooper, but LIED in the GJ about Cooper)

sylvia and those looking for a bigger fitzmas this is a sad day for justice and for America but congratulations for using using the law as a politicl weapon. I suppose one of those state impeachment bills is going to be picked up now. Hearings to begin in September

RichatUF

centralcal

The server is down at the fetid swamp and all the slimy creatures have no where to go to celebrate.

Tom, which cabinet is the DDT in?

White house statement in a few minutes. Wish it was just a pardon.

pete

Cheney is next. You all know that don't you? So there you go. You have your marching orders. It's time to rush to rush to the aid of our first war criminal vice president.

Don't let me stop you!

CAROL HERMAN

FROM CAROL HERMAN

Bush did NOT play his hand well! Which is one reason you see GUILIANI able to make inroads into the nomination in 2008. Oh, to have a president who could give just one good speech, I tell ya!

As to Russert. How does waltoon get away with it? He forbid Libby a fair trial. He said Libby had to testify. And, he wants to penalize Wells for not bringing Cheney. WHEN THE SET UP WAS OBVIOUS!

Now, we know Russert's memory IMPROVED with time! How can that be?

We know the FBI lost the notes that referred to what Libby actually said. HOW CAN THAT BE? We know the chief investigator, Drek-n-rode, was kept hidden away. Hidden deeper away than Cheney, let me tell ya!

And, CNN says because the jury didn't convict on count #3, it's now a much more difficult verdict to overturn.

IN A PIG'S EYE!

Wes S.

Didn't Libby and his lawyers, in their opening statement, try to claim that Libby was being used as a scapegoat for other people in the Administration? Perhaps that served to color every other argument Libby and his lawyers made during the course of the trial as the manuevering of someone desperately trying to cover his own backside...and made it easier to believe that Libby did in fact perjure himself.

On the other hand, anyone who has paid any attention to this case knows that if Libby can be charged and convicted in this case, then so should Tim Russert and just about everybody else who testified. Everyone involved had memory...issues...once they took the stand.

And the horrible thing about all this is that Joe Wilson - the one man who indisputably lied to the country - gets off scot-free.

Joe

Let them vent, we are all just spectators, and our "team" lost.
We still have to go to work tomorrow.

Semanticleo

"But to pardon him would be an unexusable offense by President Bush."

You play chess? It's better to sacrifice your Rook to defend your King.

shaman ∞

Sue ::grin::
Don't you just love it?

Semanticleo

Or even your Queen.

Sara (Squiggler)

What's with Sen. Reid, he is demanding Bush vow not to pardon Libby?

CAL

The bad guys won because their goal was to bring down the Bush administration first by lying about their actions and then by criminalizing defending against these lies.

Admittedly, Libby being convicted isn't quite the same as bringing down Bush but the left has had to lower their sights a bit since it became evident that no crime was committed. They still managed to get a conservative convicted for doing his job.

danking70

When will we get Armitage's comments on the verdict?

Christopher Fotos

Well, we live in a world where the bad guys often win. Today is one of those days.

malcontent

Now that it has been confirmed that Libby lied and obstructed justice, Fitzgerald is free to drop the legal hammer for the original, underlying crime: illegally revealing the identity of a United States national security asset.

They're traitors all, and they should be executed thusly.

ordi

And Sandy Burglar goes free

djl130

Shaman oo and Pete - It must feel icky to get so much pleasure out of this.

glass

I want all those BDS'rs stomped out like cock roaches. Something on the order of what the God Father set up with Michael just before he died.
Truly this is war!

m

Justice is served.

JT

Does anyone have a large towel? I need to clean up the moonbat, foaming at the mouth rabid insanity from my person.

The saddest fact of all is that the moonbats can't comprehend how sad this is. The justice system was just turned upside down and twisted.

Gideon

Next Bold Prediction - he never spends a day in jail.

That's a safe bet if his sentence is stayed until the appeal, especially if it isn't resolved by Jan 5 2009.

windansea

appeal, overturn or pardon

Libby and Cheney retire happily in Paraguay

Rudy appointed VP

I'm going fishing :)

Tom Maguire

Caution - troll warning on this thread. They just happened to be out today for this.

Ahh, whatever - "magnanimous in victory, gracious in defeat" is great advice, but I had every expectation of being insufferable in victory and petulant in defeat, so I supose no better can be expected from them.

Anyway, I wrote my excuse yesterday - this jury was lost.

Besides, it wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor and it's not over now.

NBC gets to endure continued scrutiny of Mitchell and Gregory.

I also Boldly Predicted that this investigation is over, and the DoJ grabs the reins - we will see. Its sort of counter-intuitive, since Fitzgerald's supporters will argue that now he is going to strike a deal with Libby, but that is csll.

And what sort of a witness would Libby be at this point anyway - a convicted perjurer testifying against Cheney in exchange for a lighter sentence? C'mon, he waits for the well-deserved pardon.

roanoke

Wells will file a motion for a new trial.

Christopher Fotos

Wells: We will file motion for a new trial

Failing that, will appeal conviction

RichatUF

-pete says

A preemptive war that preempted nothing.

And something is truly wrong with the US for people to actually believe this...

RichatUF

harley

Wells is now announcing that he's very disappointed with the verdict of the jury. I'm assuming the jury and others were disappointed with his opening statement, and the promises made therein. But yes. He's very disappointed.

PWT

illegally revealing the identity of a United States national security asset.

Who will be charged with this crime?

Semanticleo

"Wells will file a motion for a new trial"

No chance of that happening.

Tina

Arguments are strong for a new trial/Appeal. Convictions don't make sense per Andrew Napolitano - FNC.

JT

Ordi -- How True --- what a testimony -- Sandy -- stealing classified documents to hide the total mess of the Clinton Administration -- Berger is free and these raving lunatic lefties don't see this as further evidence of their derangement.

sylvia

Well Rich, thanks, I'm looking at the glass half empty here. I am REALLY disappointed in my incorrect Russert prediction. Mitchell should be a good appeals issue for that.

M. Simon

I hope the Duke Lacrosse case doesn't go to trial.

Semanticleo

Maguire;

Can we now move to Heather Wilson and Pete Domenici lies?

Ha ha

ha ha

now you're starting to sound like the person you have been criticizing for saying Rove was indicted.

roanoke

Then you can have Walton toss some of the verdicts.

I don't know how it is being reported that Libby will be out on bail-I thought that could not happen until after sentencing which hasn't happened yet.

ROA

The Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

PeterUK

In 1989 the Berlin wall came down,today,the 6th March 2007,it went back up in America.

Ha ha

right. overturned on appeal. no doubt. keep hope alive

Joe Gloor

"The Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"
- Animal House

sylvia

"so I supose no better can be expected from them."

Well good attitude there. Keeps you sane. You'll need to save your strength for the appeal.

Nick Kasoff - The Thug Report

This is disgusting. Bush had d@mn well get ready to pardon him.

Nick Kasoff
The Thug Report

BumperStickerist

Can we all just take a moment to feel happy for Marcy Wheeler's dogs.

We can all agree on that, right?

RichatUF


from above...
Fitzgerald is free to drop the legal hammer for the original, underlying crime: illegally revealing the identity of a United States national security asset.

They're traitors all, and they should be executed thusly.

It so amazes me that the BDS sufferes are so concerned with "national security" but can only find room in their arguments Valerie Plame-Wilson. THe jury speculated about her "status" and then convicted on this, unbelievable

RichatUF

Patrick R. Sullivan

This is all on Ted Wells. His strategy of simplifying the case backfired big time.

He should have flooded the jury with Nick Kristoff, Paul Vallely, and the others who he claimed were willing to say Joe Wilson told them about Val's CIA employment.

He should have found a way to introduce Libby's workload to the jurors. Bury them in the details he confronted every day.

cathyf
never ever talk to the press or the fbi without videotape.
Forget that -- they'll find some way to lose the videotape, or they'll just find a Walton and a DC jury to convict you anyway. I think that the correct response to FBI questions is quite simple: "I'm sorry, I have a constitutional right to say nothing. That's simply the only prudent thing to do in a country where it is against the law to say anything that contradicts what the police and/or a prosecutor want to be true."

So, the real question about volunteering information is this: you see a suspicious package or vehicle. Do you call the cops and risk them trumping up something against you? Or do you just protect yourself and the hell with everybody else?

Dwilkers

This is so sad.

I never thought they'd come back with 4 guilty verdicts, at worst I thought 3, I honestly thought we'd see maybe one.

Now I get to wonder how much of my misreading this is due to my own bias. I wish I had been able to see the trial in person.

p.lukasiak

The saddest fact of all is that the moonbats can't comprehend how sad this is. The justice system was just turned upside down and twisted.

no the saddest fact is that the wingnuts cannot accept the fact that the justice system worked....

The jury concluded, based on overwhelming evidence, that Libby knowingly lied to the FBI and the Grand Jury, and did so in order to obstruct the investigation into the outing of Valerie Plame.

deal with it.

glass

But hey, dig in. By all means, dig in. It will just make you easier to identify later as society works its myriad ways of eliminating and marginalizing destructive ideologies.-pete

Don't you all here find this comment absolutely frightening?

Gabriel

I didn't think Libby was guilty, but talk of a pardon is awful. As imperfect as our justice system is, a pardon doesn't address that. An appeal does.

Scooter Libby is doing Marc Rich's time. Time to get spotters at the terminals with departures to Switzerland at Dulles, Reagan, and Baltimore. Libby might be wearing a burqa or a hijab.

Gary Maxwell

Somebody remind me again, who the hell is Scooter Libby? Seriously, the only scalp that the prosecutor can produce is for lying to investigators and the grand jury. I never heard of the guy until I started stopping here and I am sure I am far from alone.

elliottg

Tom predicted a not guilty verdict on all counts. If his view is so wrong on the facts of the matter, then how much confidence can you have in his opinions.

Sue

A reporter just asked Libby if he was willing to go to jail to protect the VP.

Barney Frank

Other Tom,
--I believe the jury took their job very seriously and reached their verdicts as fairly as they could. I believe Libby did, indeed, lie as charged. I still don't know why he did, but it seems clear to me that he did.

And I continue to believe that the charges should never have been filed.--

While the weaknesses in Fitz's case undercut my belief in Libby's guilt somewhat, I do mostly agree with your sentiments.
As shamefully as Fitz and Armitage and the press have behaved in this, Libby must shoulder his share of the reponsibility for his testimony. Whether it was false or just stupid it provided Fitzgerald with the ammo he needed.
If Fitz is a mere partisan, he also had Cheney and Rove and Bush give testimony and none of them were indicted, and he probably questioned them similarly. Libby is an experienced enough lawyer to know that you don't lie to a GJ and if you don't know the answer you don't make a convoluted guess. I feel terrible for him and his family, because I think the thing should have been shut down when it was apparent no crime occurred, but he could have provided either straighter answers or just said he didn't remember if he truly didn't.

Sue

It is a male reporter.

stevesh

Clarice on Dennis Prager!

Gabriel

Does this mean Armitage is going to be investigated if he already isn't under investigation?

Republican mandate

This is an outrage, please click on my name to take action!

Barney Frank

--Don't you all here find this comment absolutely frightening?--

I find it laughable.

roanoke

cathyf

Weird thing is I think Libby at this point even if pardoned has lost his Fifth Amendment Right.

Sensible Mom

I predicted this yesterday based upon reading the jury's questions. If they couldn't frame a simple question, how would they be able to consider all of the evidence and testimony and make a well reasoned decision about a case that was merely a game of he said / she said? Would they doubt the celebrity journalists or would they doubt a relatively unknown white, republican politician (in a very liberal area). He was toast from the get go. That the jury seemed dense only made the conclusion more obvious.

Ray

I predict a hefty fine, but no jail time.

Sunrunner

RE not talking to the FBI

Libby and all other members of the admin were ordered by BUSH to cooperate fully with the FBI.

owl

The IDIOT is talking. He applies the same rules to the VP. God Almighty.

Christopher Fotos

Mr. There-is-a-cloud-over-Cheney just said he doesn't make comments about people not being prosecuted. Funny if it wasn't outrageous.

boris

Don't you all here find this comment absolutely frightening?

Not really. He's just your standard moonbat except for the Tourette's.

sylvia

"Tom predicted a not guilty verdict on all counts"

Wrong. Read his posts from the last weeks. He was pessimistic, and called it pretty accurately.

Gabriel

Sue: Wouldn't you ask that?

Now that Libby has been found guilty of the charges, what is Fitzgerald to ponder, that Libby wasn't protecting anyone?

Who knows where this goes now? It's not going away. It's going to get much worse.

sylvia

Fitz on MSNBC- no more charges from him. Phwew for Rove and Armitage.

not the senator

Anybody here that was surprised by the verdict really needs to widen their news consumption. Except for here and Fox, the daily reporting was pretty convincing that the Fitz was making his case. By only listening to "reliable conservative sources" you are getting a skewed view. Just see what it's done in the long run to Carol Herman.

The MSM is not always wrong.

Christopher Fotos

I would not expect any further charges to be filed: Fitz.

Investigation inactive.

If more info comes to light etc. But "we go back to our day jobs"

owl

Yep.....his 'cloud' is moving forward. He doesn't expect to file any farther charges but he might.

This man should go to prison for life.

Sue

Did anyone see who the male reporter was that asked Libby, at the end of Ted Well's news conference, whether he was willing to go to jail to protect the VP?

Other Tom

I take it that the celebration at FDL lasted approximately 45 minutes, and is now over: "No further charges" from Fitz. That's sure going to be tough to take on Hardball, and a lot of other places.

pplus

Yes, it's true....William J. Clinton found guilty of perjury. We are still awaiting the sentencing.

Sue

By only listening to "reliable conservative sources"

We got our trial coverage from the swamp. FDL, in case you are wondering what the swamp is.

sylvia

First Martha. Now Libby. What's this country coming to?!

ordi

Christopher F

So much for more the additional charges too come so fondly spoke of by the trolls on this thread.

owl

Ohhhh Mr Libby can contact Fitz and play Lets Make A Deal.

lurker

If Reid is after Bush to not pardon Libby, then we should file a petition to pardon Libby.

arrowhead

"This is all on Ted Wells. His strategy of simplifying the case backfired big time.

He should have flooded the jury with Nick Kristoff, Paul Vallely, and the others who he claimed were willing to say Joe Wilson told them about Val's CIA employment.

He should have found a way to introduce Libby's workload to the jurors. Bury them in the details he confronted every day."
Patrick R. Sullivan

Patrick,

I agree. Also, after hinting in his opening that he would put Libby on the stand, he should have followed through. Big mistake, either way. Wasn't Bob Bennett available?

Gabriel

No further charges from Fitz. But what about his referrals of other crimes back to the DoJ for investigation? That's the question.

Fitz was tasked with the outing investigation. It appears that Armitage did that first by telling Woodward, however nuanced he describes it.

harley

Fineman nailed it. The Iraq War now has appropriate bookends.

The Libby Verdict to tell us how it started.
The Walter Reed Scandal to tell us how it ends.

Enjoy.

goldwater

Dear Senator Reid,

STFU!!!!

shaman ∞

FITZMAS! FITZMAS! not fitzmas¡ FITZMAS! FITZMAS!

Tina

No further charges and the investigation "has been closed down" - per Fitz on FNC. This means, he's not going after Cheney, W, Haliburton, etc.

Sue

Sue: Wouldn't you ask that?

No. Which is why I would like to know which reporter did.

maryrose

I can't believe he jury believed Russert over Libby. The missing FBI interview notes. This case cries out for appeal.
They and Fitz have NOTHING repeat NOTHING on Cheney. I do believe Cheney will step down and a possible presidential candidate will be named to replace him before the 08 election.

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