Where's The Love?

Bill Clinton has an unkind word for the Nutroots; Jane Hamsher gets the vapors and reminisces about their beautiful lunch together.

But where are the lunch links?  That lunch was a pinnacle fawn-fest with laughable repercussions - don't be shy about it now.

Here we go - the "beautiful blue eyes" mash note from John Aravosis and the "a tremendous swelling of patriotic pride and love for America" felt by Chris Bowers of MyDD will suffice for now.

But divisions surfaced!  Where were the black bloggers, or Latino bloggers, or Muslims, or lefthanded alternatively-gendered polytheistic Fijian bloggers?

And no Clinton event would be complete without attractive young women, so let's have a photo and some commentary.

The Nutroots - can't make this stuff up.

Oh, well - FWIW, here is Clinton's outrage:

Former President Bill Clinton yesterday complained that "it’s just not fair" the way his wife, presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), is being depicted for her controversial Iraq war vote.

Speaking to hundreds of supporters on conference call, the former president said, "I don’t have a problem with anything Barack Obama [has] said on this," but "to characterize Hillary and Obama’s positions on the war as polar opposites is ludicrous.

"This dichotomy that’s been set up to allow him to become the raging hero of the anti-war crowd on the Internet is just factually inaccurate."

What will he say next?

 

Comments

[Lew Clark]

They look like nerds at a nerd convention. Can't they get some more "Che" looking revolutionary types to stand in for them at the photo ops?

[jerry]

I'd think the crowd at JOM would all rush the phones and fitfully call their Congressmen whenever pols and pundits disparage the blogs as "left wing."

The web seems pretty bipartisan to me but maybe the web-using segment of the population isn't.

[Pagar]

"a tremendous swelling of patriotic pride and love for America"

I don't believe there is any sign of "patriotic pride and love for America" coming from any leftist I have ever heard of or known.

Every sign I see proclaims their love for any terrorist who claims that they hate America and all it stands for. That they will never rest till it is destroyed.

[ed]

Hmmm.

Photo??

Oh that's right. Breast-gate.

[PeterUK]

"A woman is just a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke."

[Daddy]

If Bill took Hill to Germany would he be able to legally beat her up under Islamic Law?

[Syl]

Janes says this:

I don't know if Bill quite understands that much of the netroots hostility the Clintons generate is the result of his trashing of Ned Lamont on Larry King. Nobody really doubts that he saved Lieberman in order to protect Hillary's war voting record and keep the heat off of her.

Because, you know, everything is about politics.

I mean like forget the whole history of the '90's and Saddam. He was never considered a bad guy, nobody ever said Saddam had WMD and was a danger before Bush took office. ::eye roll:: Letalone Bill Clinton hisself.

Therefore Hillary's vote for the war was, what? Possibly genuine based on her knowledge of Saddam and her husband actually might be, you know, defending her vote on that basis--on a national security basis.

Of course politics plays a part, but as far as these nutroots are concerned, politics is all there is.

[Tom Maguire]

Nobody really doubts that he saved Lieberman in order to protect Hillary's war voting record and keep the heat off of her.

I had overlooked how stupid that was - Clinton went to Yale in Connecticut and worked on an early Lieberman campaign, or some such. So I bet plenty of people think Clinton is capable of loyalty to an old, old friend.

[Jim C.]

FDL wrote, "Oh Bubba, what were you thinking? Our lunch…it was so beautiful…are we being 'Sistah Souljah'd' already?"

Already? It's about freakin' time. It should've been done long ago. Like at least when Kos said screw the contractors.

[SlimGuy]

seems this is the same picture of bloggers with Clinton I saw a couple of months before the election.

[SlimGuy]

In fact the gal front center IIRC is the one who got fired blogging for Edwards.

[SlimGuy]

Actually I may be wrong on the female blogger and confused her with someone else.

[Nick Kasoff]

Yes, a nerdy bunch ... and quite lacking in diversity. You'd think America's "first black President" would be more sensitive to that.

Nick Kasoff
The Thug Report

[Assistant Village Idiot]

slim-guy, it is the same picture. Old story.

[sferris]

Atrios analysis is probably correct. Republicans are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

From Atrios:

"It's obvious that Republicans in general and the presidential candidate especially will have to run against George Bush in '08 if they want to have any chance of actually winning control."

"It's also obvious that fealty to dear leader is still an extraordinarily important thing to the 30 percenters."

"It's also probable that our blessed media, who spent '00 demanding that Al Gore run away from Bill Clinton due to his hideous 65% approval ratings, will be unlikely to do that to the Republican candidate in '08."

[Mike G in Corvallis]

Shorter sferris:

Hey, look! Ponies!

[sferris]

Yes, more Ponies

[sferris]

Hey, look! Beavers.

[John F.]

Looking for love in all the wrong places. So goes 21st Century liberalism.

[Lew Clark]

Darn,
I updated and ran my spyware and virus protection. Checked to make sure my SPAM filter was on. Even defragged my hard drive. And ferris is still showing up on my screen!

[Tatterdemalian]

"It's obvious that Republicans in general and the presidential candidate especially will have to run against George Bush in '08 if they want to have any chance of actually winning control."

They truly believe Emperor Dubya is going to repeal his term limits and try to run in '08? Their BDS really has entered the terminal stage.

[Clyde]

"a tremendous swelling of patriotic pride and love for America"

Didn't I hear that in an Enzyte ad on ESPN?

[JorgXMcKie]

Last time I checked, most of the media was wondering why BigWoodenAlGore didn't have Clinton campaign for him in 2000. The Goreacle made the decision to run away from Clinton.

And if, to the chagrin and rage of the Left, the Surge should work and Iraq start to become calm, what will the Lefties run on in 2008?

Probably the same bunch of crap they've been peddling for the past several years. Stalinists just don't go gently into that dark night.

[pete]

Just think of all the damage you have done to Iraq and the US. History will vomit when speaking of the Twenty-Nine Percenters.

03/24/07 Newsweek: The Missing Returnees
The Baghdad Security Plan is going so well that Iraqis displaced by sectarian violence are flocking back to their homes in Baghdad, so a number of officials are telling us. The only problem with that: it's probably not true.

03/24/07 kltv: Wounded East Texas Soldier Gets Special Homecoming

03/24/07 UPI: Workers tricked into Iraq jobs

03/24/07 MercuryNews: Wounded Iraq veteran - I was swindled

03/24/07 telegraph: SAS sergeant killed by British bullet

03/24/07 Newsweek: The letters the soldiers left behind.

03/24/07 AP: Marine from northern New York dies in Iraq

03/24/07 DoD Identifies Army Casualty
Sgt. 1st Class Darrell R. Griffin Jr., 36

03/24/07 WSJ: Did Iraqi Police Help Kill U.S. Troops?

03/24/07 AFP: Sixteen policemen killed in Baghdad's militant stronghold of Dura

03/24/07 Reuters: Suicide bomb strikes Mosque - 9 dead, 43 wounded

03/24/07 Cenctom: MNF-W FORCES ATTACKED
A soldier assigned to Multi National Force-West died March 23 while conducting combat operations in Al Anbar Province.

03/24/07 AP: Blast in southern Baghdad area kills at least 18 people

03/24/07 MNF Patrol Struck by Roadside Bomb - 1 U.S. soldier killed

03/24/07 Reuters: Body of intellegence officer found in Diwaniya

03/24/07 Reuters: 4 bodies found in Mosul, 28 in Baghdad

03/24/07 Reuters: Roadside bomb wounds 6 policemen, 3 civilians in Hilla

03/24/07 Reuters: Mortar fire kills 1, wounds 4 in Baghdad

03/24/07 Reuters: Gunmen attack army checkpoint in western Baghdad

03/24/07 Reuters: Three Iraq soldiers wounded in Ramadi attack

03/24/07 BBC: Reconstruction in Iraq criticised

03/24/07 AP: Suicide truck bomb kills 11 in Baghdad

[Syl]

The Baghdad Security Plan is going so well that Iraqis displaced by sectarian violence are flocking back to their homes in Baghdad, so a number of officials are telling us. The only problem with that: it's probably not true.

It's actually true. And, yes, there are problems. Squatters have taken over some empty homes and have to be removed. US Forces say they ain't going to do it. Maliki is working out solutions.

Also everyone who wants to come back is given some money to help pay expenses. Neighborhoods are setting up welcoming committees to greet those returning. It's especially nice in mixed neighborhoods where shia are returning to their sunni neighbors and vice versa.

And, I think you are often giving us duplicate entries. A death reported on one day, the invidivual identified on another day.

And, of course, you're not identifying which attacks are caused by suicide bombers. That's al Qaeda. That would be good to know. Roadside bombs are insurgents. Kidnappings are militia related or thug related for ransom.

Know the enemy.

[pete]

"And if, to the chagrin and rage of the Left, the Surge should work and Iraq start to become calm, what will the Lefties run on in 2008?"

And this is what it finally comes down to. Sad very sad. Fascist america pinning their hopes on "the surge". Has there ever been a political group soo disconnected from reality? Not just in the US but anywhere and anytime?

The "Lefties" will not have to "run on" anything. You are your worst enemy. The Dems wilk simply walk into the white house and a larger majority in the senate and house. You did it to yourselves and you don't seem to be able to stop yourselves.

There is only one way the repugs can win back some of america and that is by sending the entire BushCo team to the International Criminal Court to be tried for crimes against humanity. But the repugs will never do that because the admission to america that it f'd up bigtime - really really big time - would spell certain death to the GOP as well.

So you see you lost when you started this sick game in 2003. Thanks. We couldn't have done it without you. You're "doing a heck of a job". Dig-in.

[pete]

"Know the enemy."

Know yourself and you will know the enemy.

[pete]

Syl

Others will read the Newsweek article and know you for what you are. Full of shit.

[Collin]

Pete posted:

>>"And if, to the chagrin and rage of the Left, the Surge should work and Iraq start to become calm, what will the Lefties run on in 2008?"

And this is what it finally comes down to. Sad very sad. Fascist america pinning their hopes on "the surge". Has there ever been a political group soo disconnected from reality? Not just in the US but anywhere and anytime?<<

Apparently only "fascist america" is interested in success in Iraq. If the surge doesn't work then we hopefully will move to the next strategy to win. Yes I have enlisted in the army. Yes I would be happy to go to Iraq to help our allies there who are fighting and giving up even more than we are for the freedom you take for granted.

You keep rooting for the terrorists pete. I know you would be much happier with the people of Iraq were under the rule of a fascist. Saddam probably wasn't outspoken enough about his support for terrorism though, and that is why you are hoping for us to pull out so they can have another real leader this time. Or maybe you are hoping Iran gains control of the shia held oil fields so they can gain more power as an enemy to this country. It is clear however you do not view them as an enemy. You cheer for every attack the murderers and terrorists carry out on us and our allies and try to blame America for it while we fight for security and freedom. That is what is really sad.

[pete]

Collin

That is just sooo 2003. Game over.

[Syl]

Pete

Do you have any clue that you are a hater?

Chill

[Ranger]

Pete,

I know you are bitter that congress just voted to extend fuding for the war for another 18 months, and that all the left wing hacks in congress who never voted for a funding resolution in the past 4 years voted for this one (so now it is officially the democrats war, just like Vietnam became "Nixon's War") but do you have to let your anger and bitterness show through. It just makes you look, well, like an angry and bitter loser that can't even handle an election victory well.

Even Hillary's plan for Iraq calls for leaving 75,000 troops in country. You talk about the "29 percenters" but you know you represent roughly 17 to 21 % of the population yourself with your overall political viewpoint. Maybe that is why you are so bitter and angry all the time?

[Deagle]

Really love to read through the posts here (logic abounds - a wonderful plus), but it has been extremely difficult lately due to the nonsense posts. I do not mind reasonable liberal arguments, but some have become unreasonable or maybe inane (insane?) is the right word.

Maybe you should request that they preface their post with their user names (as others have, and I might add are much better and more interesting posters) so others can bypass such nonsense.

Thanks... Sorry to take up posting time...

Okay, back to smacking down that really great tasting bourbon... Sorry H%R, you've got nothing on me...

[Syl]

Deagle

You know the kids, some days they just have too much energy to burn. Many of these trolls are just very excitable and haven't learned how to contain themselves.

We've stocked up on diapers so don't worry too much. The potty trainer isn't getting much use though.

[Deagle]

Heh...Thanks Syl, would have expected nothing less from you! Get some rest, you will need it to continue the battle...

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[Patton]

Pete, You actually believe everything you read in Newsweek??

"The Cooling World" - by Peter Gwynne

April 28, 1975 NEWSWEEK

There are ominous signs that the Earth?s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production ? with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth. The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now.

The regions destined to feel its impact are the great wheat-producing lands of Canada and the U.S.S.R.

STILL GOT A CLOSET FULL OF PARKAS THERE PETE?

[sferris]

Senior Bush Official: ‘No Trend’ Showing Escalation Is Working

President Bush: “General Petraeus recently arrived in the Iraqi capital, and the plan he is executing is in its early stages. … Yet even at this early hour, there are some encouraging signs.”

FACT: “Sectarian attacks in Baghdad are down at the moment, but the deaths of Iraqi civilians and U.S. troops have increased outside the capital. … If violence is down in Baghdad, analysts said, it is likely because the Shiite militias operating there are waiting out the buildup in U.S. troops, nearly all of whom are being deployed in the capital. At the same time, Sunni insurgents have escalated their operations elsewhere.”

President Bush: “Iraq’s Council of Ministers recently agreed on legislation they will submit to their parliament on the development of Iraq’s oil resources and the sharing of revenues.”

FACT: “Though Iraqi leaders have agreed on a new framework law for oil resources, the details of how the oil revenue will be divided among competing Iraqi groups remain unresolved.”

President Bush: “The Iraqi government has completed the deployment of three additional Iraqi Army brigades to the capital. They said they were going to employ three brigades, and they did.”

FACT: “A senior U.S. military official in Baghdad said this week that two Iraqi brigades and one battalion of a third have arrived in Baghdad.”

President Bush: “Iraqi and U.S. forces have rounded up more than 700 people affiliated with Shia extremists.”

FACT: “Bush’s report…appears to have little to do with the new strategy. The number is ‘based on captures…since July 2006,’ the military official said. Bush first reported the same roundup — citing 600 captures — last fall.”

Reports of Progress In Iraq Challenged

[Charlie (Colorado)]

"a tremendous swelling of patriotic pride and love for America"

I'm not sure that vasodialation and engorgement of the labia and vaginal mucosa is what other people mean by "a swelling of patriotic pride".

[Charlie (Colorado)]

I propose a new rule: ban anyone who quotes more than two paragraphs from Atrios in one posting.

[bgates]

Pete, if you're so bent on seeing the war lost, get a gun, go over there, and start taking shots at Americans.

Chickenterrorist.

[Patton]

"""Reports of Progress In Iraq Challenged

Posted by: sferris """"

AND HOW WAS IRAQ UNDER DEMOCRAT PRESIDENTIAL LEADERSHIP FERRIS?

Did you enjoy starving the innocent Iraqi public?

Did you enjoy propping up Saddams' regime?

Did you enjoy the malnutrition of children?

Did you enjoy killing 5,000 perfectly innocent Iraqis a month through Clintons policy?

At least know we are killing the bad guys, and yes, the bad guys continue killing the good guys, just not as much as they use to get away with under the Ferris/Clinton policy.

[hit and run]

Deagle:
Maybe you should request that they preface their post with their user names (as others have, and I might add are much better and more interesting posters) so others can bypass such nonsense.

I am close to requesting that those engaging with the trolls preface their own posts as such. Not really suggesting it -- just saying it as a way to lodge my complaint.

Okay, back to smacking down that really great tasting bourbon... Sorry H%R, you've got nothing on me...

You are correct. I'm still working through last weekend's tequila. Makes me all warm inside.

[Patton]

Apparently Ferris is one of those Clinton liberals who thought the policy of just killing innocent Iraqis and children, while taking bribes from Saddam Hussein was the best policy.

I mean given that Albright/Clinton/Hillary/Gore etc. all spent eight years telling us Saddam had WMD.

Ferris probably was even cheering madeline Albright when she claimed with a straight face that killing Iraqi children was worth the price..even though she knew Saddam had no WMD and was totally innocent.

_____________________

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq by 1996: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.

--60 Minutes (5/12/96)

Then-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's quote, calmly asserting that U.S. policy objectives were worth the sacrifice of half a million Arab children, has been much quoted in the Arabic press.

SO FERRIS, YOUR POLICY KILLED 500,000 CHILDREN IN ITS FIRST 3.5 YEARS. ARE YOU MAD A BUSH BECAUSE HE DOESN'T KILL BROWN PEOPLE ON THE MASSIVE SCALE THAT CLINTON/GORE ACHIEVED??

[Patton]

Ferris, if you won't believe me, believe your precious UN. TWO UN representaives to Iraq that oversaw the Clinton policy resigned do to what they called GENOCIDE, being carried out by the Clinton policy.

Of course that was back when a Democrat in office could do no wrong and we just skip those news articles, ehh.

25 February 2000
Use this version to print

The resignation of two senior United Nations officials this month, in protest against the continuation of economic sanctions on Iraq, has caused political embarrassment to the US and British governments and their policy of maintaining the embargo on the Persian Gulf nation. It has once again brought to public attention the enormous suffering being inflicted on the Iraqi people by the administrations of British Prime Minister Tony Blair and US President Bill Clinton.

Count Hans von Sponeck is a German career diplomat. He resigned his position as UN humanitarian co-ordinator in Iraq and director of the oil-for-food program on February 13. He had occupied the position since the resignation of his predecessor, Denis Halliday, a former UN assistant secretary-general, who quit the post in September 1998 under similar circumstances. Doctor Jutta Burghardt, head of the UN World Food Program in Iraq, followed von Sponeck the next day.

AND GET THIS FERRIS, CLINTON CLAIMED HE WAS DOING IT TO PROTECT US FROM IRAQS NUCLEAR, BIOLOGICAL AND CHEMICAL WEAPONS. Remember how they sold their war on the Iraqi people?

[Patton]

Pete,

1990s: During the Clinton eight years of economic sanctions and intermittent bombing by the U.S. and Britain that followed, as many as two million Iraqis -- about half of them young children -- have died, while Saddam Hussein stayed in power.

CLINTON YEARS: Since 1991, Iraq has been prevented from the sale of most of its oil production and from importing a substantial amount of the food, medical supplies, building materials and technological assistance it needs to recover from the destruction.

CLINTON YEARS: Diseases such as dysentery, tuberculosis, cholera and typhoid were non-existent in Iraq, until Bill Clinton came into office. According to UNICEF, thousands of cases have been reported yearly since the Clinton sanctions. Iraq once had one of the lowest child-mortality rates in the world. The death rate of children under five today averages about 5,000 per month. Hospitals suffer from chronic shortages of medicines and diseases that are easily preventable or treatable are flourishing.

CLINTON YEARS: There's no definitive count of how many have died from the Clinton years of the punishment of the innocent people, but estimates range from 500,000 to more than 1.5 million and that about half have been children under age five. This suffering has been rarely mentioned in the news media.

The Clinton government is the main reason why the sanctions continued because Clinton insisted Saddam had WMD.

The items for Iraq the U.S. and British representatives have held up seem absurd. Heart-lung machines, water pumps, agricultural supplies, fire-fighting equipment and even detergent and wheelbarrows are on the "hold" list of humanitarian supplies because they are considered "dual use" items that could be turned into weapons of mass destruction. Equipment for restoring the telephone and electrical grid and water treatment plants is also being held up by the Clinton adminstrations representatives at the UN.

CLINTON YEARS: To punish Saddam Hussein, millions of innocent Iraqis have been condemned to live a nasty, pre-industrial age existence. When Secretary of State Madeleine Albright was asked in 1996 whether the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children was an acceptable price for maintaining sanctions on Iraq, Albright's response was "we think the price is worth it." The callousness and hypocrisy of this attitude is appalling.

Of coure Ferris and Pete were cheering these people on while the condemn Bush for actually alleviating the suffering brought on by Clinton.

[Sara (Squiggler)]

John Conyers Paid Fine For CodePink Agitator

[sferris]

Orrin Hatch is standing by Fredo:

"He has always been straightforward and honest with me," said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah. "So, unless there is clear evidence that the attorney general deliberately lied or misled Congress, I see no reason to call for his resignation."

[Patton]

sferris, Its not hard to see the Democrats don't like Gonzalezs because he happens to be Hispanic.

It's no secret the Democrats have always been the Party of the rascist, from slavery, to Jim Crow, to the Voting and Civil Rights acts, to the KKK, to the Speaker Pro Tem (KKK Byrd) in the Senate. The Democrats have always taken the rascist route.

[BarbaraS]

I read on one of the blogs that the jihadists are taught to invade our right wing blogs and try to discourage us and/or shut us down. They were instructed to use simple three or four letter names that sounded American. Could it possibly be that Pete is one of these. Sounds like it. He hates the US so much there must be some bitterness there. Or maybe he is a member of ANSWER.

BTW Pete, your list is getting shorter with less teeth each time you post.

[sferris]

The failure of the war in Iraq is plain and obvious to everyone except loyal Bushies. Over a million Iraqis displaced by the war; 100,000 a month are leaving; approximately 60,000 to 655,000 civilian deaths due to the war; estimated cost of the war range anywhere from 1.5-3 trillion dollars; potential for a wider regional conflict looms; increased Iranian sphere of influence in the region; diminished US standing of in the world; and so on. If you put up quotes from officials who got led us into this mess they stand out now as incredibly naive, ignorant, and misguided. It is no wonder the majority of the country disapproves of this war in ever increasing numbers. It's impossible to calculate the harm the war in Iraq has done to the standing of the US.

[ROA]

Linked to from the NRO Corner:

Hagel and Webb to Introduce Binding Iraq Legislation
Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE) announced on "This Week" that either tomorrow or Tuesday, he and Jim Webb will introduce binding legislation to change course in Iraq.

This legislation will have the "force of law" - no more non-binding resolution crap. It will focus on redeployment, training, and equipment.

Hagel also said that we are "destroying" our military; the surge is failing; and he raised the specter of impeachment.

Unity 08 ticket: Hagel/Webb?

http://tokatakiya.blogspot.com/2007/03/hagel-and-webb-to-introduce-binding.html

[BarbaraS]

Well, Sferris, the problem is do you want this war to be in Iraq or do you want it to be here in the US? Its really that simple. Do you want all these suicide bombers, roadside bombs to be there or here? If we don't win in Iraq the possibilities of it coming here are multiplied. I know you lefties have closed your eyes to this possibillity but it is still there and will remain there until we win this global war on terror.

Where were you people when Clinton was saying the same thing? Where were the protests when Clinton bombed an aspirin factory. I don't remember any outcry that any of this was not true then.

The fact is that you people cannot accept defeat in elections. You cannot understand why after all your voter frauds, letting dead people vote and multiple voting has not won you the presidency. Your standards are the now lowest they have ever been. I have no doubt they will go even lower.

[sferris]

The most absurd claim in this war is were fighting in Iraq so we want we won't have to fight them here. It's so stupid on so many levels. When officals start speaking honestly about the Iraq war is when we're going to start the process of getting out.

[memomachine]

Hmmmm.

1. Over a million Iraqis displaced by the war; 100,000 a month are leaving

Generally these are Sunni Arabs who supported the terrorism against the Shia'a and the Coalition forces. So their migration is frankly self-inflicted.

2. approximately 60,000 to 655,000 civilian deaths due to the war

Well. If we're talking "approximately".

Seriously. Could you use a bigger range? Why not make it 10 to 100 billion? Might as well since the numbers have the same fundamental level of fact.

3. estimated cost of the war range anywhere from 1.5-3 trillion dollars

And just who is idiotic enough to make that assertion? $3 trillion dollars? In Iraq? How? We've spent about $500 billion there and that was the equivalent of about 10-15 years of oil income for the old Saddam regime.

So how the heck do you get $3 trillion dollars? Explain in detail because it really looks like you're pulling these numbers from your ass.

4. potential for a wider regional conflict looms; increased Iranian sphere of influence in the region; diminished US standing of in the world

Ahh well as long as it's just a "potential". Which is a meaningless term.

Might as well start shouting about the potential for Santa Claus to intervene in Najaf.

5. If you put up quotes from officials who got led us into this mess they stand out now as incredibly naive, ignorant, and misguided.

I completely agree. Bill and Hillary Clinton should have known better. And those pro-War statements by Nancy Pelsoi and Harry Reid are just simply unacceptable. They should apologize.

6. It is no wonder the majority of the country disapproves of this war in ever increasing numbers.

Actually most people disapprove of the pussy-footing around we've been doing. Not the war itself but the idiotic way the war's been fought.

Now if Bush were to actually fight in Iraq like it was a war, I'm sure his numbers would rise a little bit. But really his numbers suck because of his crazy position on illegal aliens.

7. It's impossible to calculate the harm the war in Iraq has done to the standing of the US.

Who really gives a rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks? They're the ones coming to us for money and handouts.

Personally I wouldn't mind telling the rest of the world to go f**k themselves for a few years. Particularly Iran and France. Add in Hezbollah and Hamas and I'd vote even for you.

And I assure you that's quite a stretch even in a fictional way.

[memomachine]

Hmmm.

The most absurd claim in this war is were fighting in Iraq so we want we won't have to fight them here. It's so stupid on so many levels. When officals start speaking honestly about the Iraq war is when we're going to start the process of getting out.

No offense but you've fallen off the edge here. I have absolutely no idea what the heck you're trying to say.

[Patton]

"""The failure of the war in Iraq is plain and obvious to everyone except loyal Bushies. sferries"""

By all means we are awaiting your actual intellectual argument on why you believe this war to be a failure..

Please cite some evidence, please cite some prior conflicts that you believe were done much better.

Plese give us the statistics on casualities, deployments, battles, wounded, how long it took to overthrow the old dictator, how long it took to create a new Constitution, how long it took to ratify the Constritution and set up a representative government, etc. for the Civil War, The Spanish American War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam and compare them for us to show us just how bad this war is going.

Then show us how much better the world is going to be either with

1. Your choice of no war happening and thuis Saddam stuill in power, still with sanctions, still killing hundreds of thousands of innocent poeple.

2. Leaving now and giving Al Queda and the terrorists Iraq, to set up a base in the middle of the middle east. To give Bin Laden a huge victory, with the entire Democrat Party pulling for Osamas victory and take over of Iraq.

Then go shovel sh-t in Louisanna......

[Patton]

Heres an honest question that even you can answer Sferris:

If you had to fight in a battle as a foot soldier, would you pick:

1. The clearing of Baghdad.

2. Battle of the Bulge
3. D-Day
4. Gettysburg (Pickets charge perhaps?)
5. Iwo Jima
6. I'll even throw in Falluja.

Please pick the ones you think you would prefer to fight in.

[TMF]

Funniest line uttered on a blog ever:

"approximately 60,000 to 655,000 civilian deaths"

[Paco Wové]

600K? Pikers. I'll call yer 600K and raise you one million!

[Neo]

"a tremendous swelling of patriotic pride and love for America"

Wrong. Sounds more like it was a "fit of narcissism".

[Neo]

4. potential for a wider regional conflict looms; increased Iranian sphere of influence in the region; diminished US standing of in the world

These guys are claiming ther will be a 12 hour operation against Iran on April 6th.

But if you want a full collection of all the news too weird to be posted by TM, check out this site and be sure to scroll to the story of the Directed Energy Weapons taking out the WTC.