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April 20, 2007

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SunnyDay

OMG are you listening to Arlen darlin...

:there's no proof, but there's lots of speculation..." The speculation is the evidence, of course.

Suspicion of improper action - no proof, but suspicion.

I want to spit on the TV.

And Schumer now - "getting Karl Rove is essential..."

They want Rove so bad. they want their own guy as USAG.

I sure hope Bush does not back down, just for the heck of it. Each time they get a scalp it only encourages them to go for the next scalp.

What is it they say in battle, when you have to hold your position - even die trying to hold it, rather than retreat or surrender? This is one of those positions in this political war, IMO.


Cecil Turner

Plastic surgery would only be a temporary fix. The look that you describe is the result of a natural condition that can be surgically induced . . .

If you want to try the natural route, prunes and lemons, taken in proper proportions, can simulate the effect.

I've got no particular beef against Kim Basinger unless--as appears likely--she played a part in the release of the audiotape to the media.

Dunno. Seems to me it's a fair turnabout. Any idiot who leaves a recorded message like that (or a similarly out-of-bounds communication in a letter or e-mail) loses the presumption of privacy that would normally attend.

SunnyDay

Pharm sounded good - can you tell me more? :D

But will they give me the all-important sneer?

Other Tom

Cecil, I couldn't care less about her breaching her fool ex-husband's privacy. It's what the publication of that tape is doing to her daughter, and will do to her for a long time to come, that I think is despicable. That kid is going to be hearing about that thing from her schoolmates till hell won't have it. But, again--if your father is Alec Baldwin life is pretty well stacked against you from the beginning.

Jane

Sunny Day,

Gawd you make me laugh. Thank you.


Cecil Turner

That kid is going to be hearing about that thing from her schoolmates till hell won't have it.

I hadn't really considered that, but suspect the main impact was hearing it in the first place; and the vast majority of responses will be supportive. In any event, sometimes airing dirty laundry is helpful. Concur it's likely to exacerbate the fishbowl effect for the girl, but not sure how avoidable that is . . .

In this case, it also highlights the security issue. He's obviously got a temper and a hair trigger. (Really, how hard is it to "get to a phone to call [her] at a specific time"? Put your cell on vibrate, set the alarm for 2min before, and say "excuse me" when your pants buzz.) Vague threats into a recording? Somebody needs a "time out."

Cecil Turner

But will they give me the all-important sneer?

Not a perfect simulation, but there's a sporadic nose-wrinkling effect that comes pretty close . . . until you decide on the surgery.

lurker9876
OMG are you listening to Arlen darlin...

:there's no proof, but there's lots of speculation..." The speculation is the evidence, of course.

Suspicion of improper action - no proof, but suspicion.

I want to spit on the TV.

And Schumer now - "getting Karl Rove is essential..."

They want Rove so bad. they want their own guy as USAG.

I sure hope Bush does not back down, just for the heck of it. Each time they get a scalp it only encourages them to go for the next scalp.

What is it they say in battle, when you have to hold your position - even die trying to hold it, rather than retreat or surrender? This is one of those positions in this political war, IMO.

Please write a letter, call, or email the White House and Department of Justice, SunnyDay. They need to know that you support them. I've already done my part more than once.

hoosierhoops

good morning
Thanks for the tool tips slimguy, Firefox it is then.
Re: Alex Baldwin..I have always liked him as an actor so I kind of feel for him..Who knows what thier family life is like and it's uncomfortable being exposed to it.
I won't make excuses for him...well when my 23 year old daughter sat in her high chair I called her a little pig too..yea i know Alex's daughter is 12 years old but remember what they say on Entourage..thats like 30 in celeb years...ok all kidding aside, Expect an announcement any day that Alex is in alcohol rehab..it's what they do.

clarice

Rick Moran is reviving his pretaped radio show and has asked me to talk tomorrow about Gonzales..I plan to go into my clean toga screed about Reps not standing up for their own when they are being beset with fake charges of wrongdoing/the Schumer-McNulty ploy wherein Chucky assumes even more control over the DoJ and a comparison of the Dem's searching for the pony w. the Rep treatment of Reno. Any other good ideas will be gratedfully accepted.
(And don't tell me you think he's weak--that is hardly the question.And I leave that to what Terriye so aptly calls the "hair on fire" crowd.)

lurker9876

SunnyDay, funny that I just finished reading Christopher Hitchen's article, "Jefferson Versus the Muslim Pirates

Then reading Kipling's poem at the end:

Kipling runs briskly through the stages of humiliation undergone by any power that falls for this appeasement, and concludes:

Kipling runs briskly through the stages of humiliation undergone by any power that falls for this appeasement, and concludes:

It is wrong to put temptation in the pathof any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say:—

“We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!”

Do you see a parallelism between Jefferson's fight against Barbary Pirates and Bush's fight against the Democrats and some of the Republicans, like Specter, Hagel, et al?

clarice

In a tribute to race hucketer Sharpton--Hillary's southern drawl returns. http://news10now.com/content/all_news/?ArID=102745&SecID=83

Malkin and Powerline report that a longer utube version has been pulled so you'all watch while you'all can..

hoosierhoops

good morning clarice:
pls don't take this wrong, but the dems have always been better at spinning form the WH. Remember Clinton's war room/response team. Yea, i know they were really some crazy spin doctors but it is effective in politics. All politics is perception from the general view.
Bush needs a high powered response team that gets thier message out forcefully and quickly. Remember the movie 'American president'? The lack of not dignifying that statement with a reponse nearly sunk his presidency. Finally when president sheppard came out swinging he won back america. It was a happy ending...yea..i know it's a movie. good luck clarice,

clarice

**huckSter**

clarice

Well, I can't do a thing about that,hoosier..all I can do is give my opinion on the present proceedings before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

lurker9876

TamAnders - photos of this same rally by Tam Anders.

lurker9876

Doug Ross's take on DEM's PR game.

Hoosier, Clarice is right that we need to fight against the strong DEM PR game.

hoosierhoops

I understand clarice, don't you just wish you could whisper in Bush's ear..hey hire a better, more media saavy response team and put your message out there in a stronger, forceful way. The MSM is out to destroy any pub sitting in the WH. Even up the odds...

lurker9876

Well, we had Tony Snow for a while. He did a really good job for WH.

I don't think we can ever find a better, more media savvy response team when the media is so full of hatred towards Bush. The media won't give the Bush Response Team any chance at all, no matter how much better, more media savvy they are.

You're right, the MSM won't give a BUSH team any chances at all.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

1. The firing of the USAs was mishandled and someone needs to be fired for it.

a. McNulty violated WH policy concerning discussing personnel issues.

b. McNulty trusted Schumer (another indication of the depth of his stupidity).

c. McNulty has to go.

2. The Democrats are seeking the resignation of the first Hispanic AG.

a. Hispanics need to be aware that white Democrats will treat them no better than they do the blacks - the haciendados at the top of the party consider them to be as disposable as toilet paper.

3. The Senate judiciary committee's Democrats are using this nothingburger to innoculate the public against the upcoming Jefferson/Mollohan/Menendez corruption scandals.

If the Senate were concerned about the appearance of corruption then they might want to spend some time looking at Harry Reid's land deals or Diane Feinstein's direction of contracts to a company in which her husband has a substantial interest. They could also take a look at the ethical lapses concerning Schumer's instructing his dumpster divers in the art of identity theft and Conyer's use and abuse of personnel on his staff.

That's all I can think of - to start with.

clarice

Everyone I know with access to the WH warned them about their appointments (esp holdovers) and begged them to improve their communications staff to no avail. Clarke and Beers and Tenet for example were kept on despite advice to can them immediately. The President was getting regular reports of Powell and Armitage's perfidy--no move to get rid of them.

Maybe God will continue to love and look after the President, but damn the man keeps me at the edge of my seatt too often.

clarice

Very good Rick--Thanks..It's a short show so I don't know how much I can get thru--but the McNulty stuff is what I hoped to hit upon and you've outlined that perfectly. \
Very useful.

SunnyDay

Do you see a parallelism between Jefferson's fight against Barbary Pirates and Bush's fight against the Democrats and some of the Republicans, like Specter, Hagel, et al?

Yes, well put. And I'm baffled by the stand taken on international relations/war on terror vs the non-stand at home. Why the futile attempts at bipartisanship, only to be betrayed over and over. He can't be that naive, can he?

When Bush quoted that scripture about not being overcome by evil but overcome evil with good - would he try to apply this to politics? It almost seems so.

I would hope Libby's plight whould have opened his eyes and he would consider acting as Jesus did when he chased the money changers out of the temple.

It is truly baffling. I've been writing my senators and representatives - I'll try the WH.

clarice

Rick, I'll also remind them of the high ethical standards of the Dems on the Committee; their prior attacks on another Hispanic--Miguel Estrada--and their close coordination w. the Soros left.

Sleezoids

SunnyDay

http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/10/crewing_manny_miranda.html

clarice

SD Thanks for correcting that link.

richard mcenroe

It's Sunday amd Tom's not back. I guess Tim Blair and Andrew Bolt ditched him in Alice Springs...

Dan S

Bad link, Clarice.


I can't buy into the "defend Republicans at any price" philosophy often touted by Hugh Hewitt. I try to, but it just isn't sustainable in combination with other principles I hold dear. Honesty ranks higher.

Yes, we're at a disadvantage when going up against win at any cost opponents as a result. They can compete with less expenditure of energy.

But what this means, at the bottom line, is that we need to be FAR more careful in who we choose to represent us and govern.

W has a mixed record here and the current bullseye is one of them. W has taken the position that "my guy is right" and "my guy is best" over "get the best available person into the position even if he or she isn't 'my guy.'" And so we end up with some less than optimal choices.

I don't have an answer except to keep on him (and those in equivalent positions, to hew to the standard: get the best. "Best" is a somewhat subjective thing too. W may really believe his pick IS the best, or he may simply have different standards from a lot of us for that determination.

But I just can't wholeheartedly support someone who's clearly making significant substantial and PR blunders. The latter are less important in most cases, but they can hurt too.

When you know the oppostion is going to huff and puff on the tiniest bit of smoke to try to coax a flame from it, then throw on all the inflammable materials they can find to build a pyre, you need to choose people very very carefully.

And you also need to make a very large poster with the words "A good offense is the dest defense" on it and plaster every wall in every room with it so you don't forget.

This Bush administration has been defensive (though not defensive enough, if it's going to play defense.) It should have come out of the election swinging, IMO. At the media, at the dems, and not just at the terrorists.

Dan S

Clarice,

You have a typo in the last line of your Wapo/Wolfie blog too.

"Whatever took them so long to some clean to the paper's readers?"

Rick Ballard

"When Bush quoted that scripture about not being overcome by evil but overcome evil with good - would he try to apply this to politics? It almost seems so."

SD,

Even at "seven times seventy" the Dems have used up all forgiveness. I join with you in not understanding the President's passivity - it is not an example of turning the other cheek - that pertains to enduring personal tribulation and it can't really be extrapolated to a decision to allow (or force) others to endure tribulation without running very much afoul of injunctions concerning the duties of a good shepherd.

Of course, at six years after the fact I'm still wondering where in the bloodiest of hells he ever came up with the idea of describing islam as a "religion of peace". He's dropped that nonsense for a bit but it did a tremendous amount of damage regarding the public's awareness of the nature of those who are attacking us.

And you also need to make a very large poster with the words "A good offense is the dest defense" on it and plaster every wall in every room with it so you don't forget.

Amen, Dan - pass the ammunition, please.

clarice

Oh, piffle, Dan--At least try not to join in the attack then. Gonzales is accused of wrongdoing when there wasn't any. Why then do the clean toga and Hair on fire crowd choose this time to jump on and say he's weak , etc? Look at the chessboard--if he goes the President will have no one/ or a Schumerite (McNulty) in his stead.

When the lies about Foley were pitched suggesting w.o factual basis that Hastert condoned or permitted pedophilia, the clean toga club ran and attacked pedophilia and the hari on fire crowd didn't defend him because they thought him too weak--ergo Pelosi..

When the lies about Plame were pitched, the clean toga club clucked how awful it would be to out undercover spies and the hair on fire club bought Andy McCarthy's pitch about how scrupulous and capable Fitz was--in fact, if was Powll and Armitage's perfidy which had the WH i under seige for three years and resulted in the conviction of a completely innocent man.

clarice

Thanks, Dan. I'll tell the editor.

clarice

Sorry for all the typos in the last post, I got a phone call in the middle of posting it with some good singing and reports from my not yet 2 year old granddaughter. (Happy to say she's floucing around in the fluffy boas I made her , singing and dancing, and telling everyone I made those for her.Have to set her off on the right foot and first things first.)

PeterUK.

DanS,
Under your currently debauched system,you simply are not going to get the best,no one is going to step forward and be torn apart by a pack of hyenas.
Get the system right and you will get the right people.What you have at the moment is a coup by extra-legal means.

Dan S

Clarice,

I agree the whole fiasco began with lies and huffing and puffing. But my point about no offense and really rotten defense stands. If W is gonna appoint people who are this poor at dealing with conflict, he's gonna see a lot of problems resulting from really weak attacks.

And there would be less of this if the response was a bit more in line with "shock and awe." I know the position calls for more decorum (than we see from the Speaker!), but even so... I wish W was more like Teddy Roosevelt. Sometimes you need to call fools exactly that. And do it over and over until it sinks in to the general public.

Why are all the dems who voted for the war in the first place not reminded of that every single speech? Why are they not reminded that they sat on committees with as much access to information as the president had? Why are they not reminded constantly that they voted against PBA before the supreme court upheld a law banning it? Why are they allowed to lie with impunity?

So after being allowed their constant barrage of lies, it's become a constant method for them. They know they can get away with it. They know the media won't call them on it; the media is complicit. They also know now the administration won't in any real sense.

I really, really WANT to support W's side without reservation. But he won't let me. So I support him as much as I can, with a reasonably clear conscience.

That means: no support on immigration, no support on letting State coddle terrorist countries and organizations, no support of treating CAIR as a reputable group, no support on pretending Islam is the "religion of peace," no support on treating Iran with kid gloves, no support on negotiating with NK, no support on allowing CIA (and other bureaus) to play to their own polical agendas, and no support on mediocre appointments.

But I retain no illusions that anyone on the Dem side would be better. None. They would be worse by far. As much as I WANT to buy into Hewitt's thesis, I just can't wholeheartedly. It's one thing to vote for the lesser of evils, and to make that vote count by not sending it to a non-competitor. It's another to pretend to like or agree with something that I don't.

If you can show me how Gonz is competent and it's just media eyewash making him look bad, I'll jump on your bandwagon. I really really wish you would. Really.

Dan S

Peter,

I agree, sadly.

But I can't say you have it better. That's sad also. In fact, I'd say you're a bit farther along the downward curve over there. Which is logical, since UK is farther along as a society (in sheer years), if there is anything like a life expectancy for societies.

Putting fingers in the holes in the dike isn't working well. Too many holes, not enough fingers. Need a new dike to keep out the waves of nihilistic barbarians.

PeterUK.

Spengler at Asia Times has some very unpolitically correct thoughts. But is he right?

When the outcome of a tragedy is known in advance, it finds ways of occurring earlier than expected. In this case, the fate of 100,000 Serbian Christians who remain in Kosovo may pre-empt the debate over Europe's eventual absorption into the Muslim world. ... If Serbia and Russia draw a line in the sand over the independence of Kosovo, we may observe the second occasion in history when a Muslim advance on Europe halted on Serbian soil.

The Bill Clinton administration, in this writer's considered view, provoked NATO's 1999 bombing war against Serbia with malice of forethought, as a gesture to the Muslim world. The United States in effect was willing to bomb Christians in order to protect Muslims, in this case the Albanian Kosovo majority whom it accused the Serbs of mistreating. That is precisely what the Democrats say. In a January 3 article in the Financial Times, Democratic Senator Joseph Biden contended that Kosovo independence would constitute a "victory for Muslim democracy", and "a much-need example of US-Muslim partnership".

From Belmont Club

clarice

Dan S --Fair enough except for the Gonzales thingy tacked at the end. He's being charged with (non-existent) wrongdoing. The President as is his perogative appointed him, the Senate confirmed him and he violated no law nor committed any ethical breach. In that case, defending him against false charges is in order. If you fail to, he and the administration will be tagged with the corruption slander and there is already enough blood in the water for these sharls to continue. It's a simple strategic calculation.

As for his competence--I do not know. You are attacking him for having a poor comunication team, for not being aggressive enough and for delegating too much of his authority, I think. In all those respects he matches his boss. I wish they both behaved otherwise, but on the big stuff they have been right. Maybe we can't expect much more in the present climate.

clarice

Spengler is a genius.

Cecil Turner

If you can show me how Gonz is competent and it's just media eyewash making him look bad, I'll jump on your bandwagon.

How do you show somebody is competent? The Dems are past masters at shifting the burden of proof: make an accusation and demand the victim prove himself innocent. If nothing else, one should be able to muster a certain amount of chagrin at charges leveled without evidence to support them.

Rick Ballard

"If you can show me how Gonz is competent"

That lacks a necessary comparative - as competent as Reno? As competent as Ashcroft, Thornburgh, Meese or Smith?

He's as competent as some - and none of them ever faced the complexity of the reorganization due to the creation of Homeland Security and the shift in the FBI from investigation to prevention with which he has had to deal.

On the prevention of terrorist acts side (within CONUS), I'd say that his record holds up well. A large part of the responsibility for that belongs over at the DoD though.

He is really lousy at dealing with yellow bellied Copperhead pols - I'll sure grant that one.

Dan S

Oh, Clarice, for the record, I have no issue with Wolfie or what he did at Worldbank. And I don't have any problem with the defense there. And it's apparently resolving itself (slowly) as the media decides they can't (or don't want to) try to argue in the face of facts.

I think the WH stance on all this stuff should be: "Isn't it interesting that the Dems insist on holding Republicans to higher standards than they hold their own? Could it be that they do so because they know that Republicans ARE hewing to a higher standard. Could it be that Repulicans simply are better? Why else would so many proven corrupt, dishonest, marginally traitorous Democrats still be embraced, supported and shoehorned into positions of leadership in their party?"

Make every weak attack by Dems into a victory for Republicans, that should be the aim of the admin.

(Now, strong attacks, where there are facts supporting them, those need to be dealt with swiftly by airing those facts and removing the problem person immediately.)

PeterUK.

DanS,
"But I can't say you have it better. That's sad also. In fact, I'd say you're a bit farther along the downward curve over there."

Which is why it is tragic watching the last bastion commit suicide,like watching the Byzantines squabbling over Icons with the Turks at the gate.The blueprint of how to destabilise a sitting president is being broadcast to the whole world,wither Iran,China?
As the saying is,"You go to war with what you have not what you want".
As i

clarice

Dan, There was virtually no coverage of the Dem flat out wrongdoing in the Miranda case (link corrected by SD). Flat out the Dems were caught holding up a nomination to effect the 6th Circuit's decision in the Michigan AA case;flat out they were caught holding up Estrada because he was Hispanic and they feared having him eventually on the SCOTUS; flat out they were caught coordinating everything with Soros' PFAW and CREW.
And what was the clean toga's response? Hatch demanded an investigation of the staffer who found the stuff on a pc which both sides had been warned was accessible to all; Miranda was not charged by the AG but the matter was referred over to Schumer dominated SDNY where only recently he regained his clearance and possibility of returning to the practice of law.

Outrageous? It is to me.
The clean toga club strikes again, giving the ace card to the sleaziest folks in creation.

topsecretk9

Gonzales corrupt? Witchhunt?

Taft, the State Department lawyer, also felt obligated to inform White House counsel Alberto Gonzales. But Powell and his aides feared the White House would then leak that Armitage had been Novak's source—possibly to embarrass State Department officials who had been unenthusiastic about Bush's Iraq policy. So Taft told Gonzales the bare minimum: that the State Department had passed some information about the case to Justice. He didn't mention Armitage. Taft asked if Gonzales wanted to know the details. The president's lawyer, playing the case by the book, said no, and Taft told him nothing more. Armitage's role thus remained that rarest of Washington phenomena: a hot secret that never leaked.

Gonzales's flaw is apparently naiveté'. If only he were as seedy and corrupt as Schumer (and McNulty).

Dan S

"He is really lousy at dealing with yellow bellied Copperhead pols - I'll sure grant that one."

Unfortunately, I think the ability to handle negative propganda has become a major measure of competence for Republicans. Those who can't, fail. Those who can, do well.

And I will agree that I don't see that he's broken any rules or done anything wrong. But he really has badly screwed up making his case.

And as to the blood in the water arguments, it's too late for those. The water is bloody already due to earlier mistakes, mostly in handling Dems chumming the political waters to attract more sharks.


Clarice,

I agree that it's very hard to get the message out through a media that is anti-conservative. And that's a problem that needs addressing. But the presidency can bypass that to some degree. And only, perhaps, the presidency. That's the "attack is the best defense" mode that I mean. Tony Snow has certainly helped, when he's given the material to use and the permission to use it. The latter has been a problem more than once in the past, the lack of permission to go on the attack.

I'm not demanding clean togas, Clarice. A lot blood on them is fine with me, as long as there's MORE of the opponents than ours. I'm saying the posture is too defensive, and as a result losing any poles in the stockade creates serious problems. Instead of hiding inside that stockade, we need to advance on the enemy and push them back into theirs.

That is not happening. Not when we catch one with his socks rolled down (and his zipper open and a tube of documents hanging out) who clearly, according to the law and precedent, should be watching reruns until L&O New Millenium is last century's rerun, and instead he's gonna be right back in a sensitive national security position within a decade (or two years, at this rate). That was a failure of this administration. Someone decided to play nice. You want blood in the water? There.

I know you agree that was a major-league fiasco. But I don't think you agree that it was a major failure that can be laid at W's feet. He's too nice. We don't need a nice president when we're talking existential issues. I think he was too nice in Iraq too. My fears about that have come true, that we wouldn't finish it, that the will to do so would dissipate, that, as a result, we might end up losing the war after winning some battles.

When you've defeated the enemy, politically or militarily, you can afford mercy. When they remain a massive threat, you need to take every chance you can to ensure they are permanently out of the fight. W's track record on both is not exactly stellar.

We talk a lot about how the Dems don't have the will to win a war. We're wrong. We just don't admit what the war is to them. They are at war with America as we love it. We haven't been at war with them. They are much like the pre-9/11 islamic terrorists in that respect. They're busy doing their best to destroy us; we're treating them like "the loyal opposition." Until we recognize that it's war, and in war sacrifices must be made in the short term to ensure victory in the long term, they're gonna keep beating us. Let them have this battle in exchange for creating a new offensive that will make them pay dearly for it, that's my position. Fight for the GOOD appointments, not the lame ones.

Stop thinking defensively, W. It's not like you're gonna run again in 2008.


SlimGuy

I know most people have short attention span memory, but how many remember the contested election/selection and GWB had to deal with a much shortened transition team time frame and how long he was still filling positions for confirmation.

If Al Gore couldn't win then his substitute victory was to essentially do the Sicilian thing an kneecap him.

Read back, look and examine the process. I know it's not sexy but it does and did have impact.

vnjagvet

In time of war, having a President who is an accomplished communicator is a distinct advantage. Lincoln, Wilson, Roosevelt and Reagan had that gift. Truman and LBJ did not. GWB does not have that gift either.

That is why a Fred Thompson has some appeal as a candidate.

Who else has the stomach for making the hard decisions necessary to win the war which threatens us and the communication skills to keep the country behind that war?

Dan S

Tops,

Playing defense again, Gonzo was. He allowed ammunition to fall into the hands of the enemy, or he prevented it from falling into our hands.

And I don't think the opposite of naive is seedy and corrupt. We certainly don't need naifs at that level. We just need fighters. Our guys killing terrorists in Iraq are not seedy and corrupt, nor are they naive. They have learned (and are constantly learning) to recognize the real threats and deal with them with appropriate force (I wish their leaders were better at this). They have also learned that offense is better than defense. Keeping the peace isn't their function, it's creating it by eliminating those who would create more war. The answer is a coffin, not a cell. In Iraq that's not a metaphor. Here, I would prefer that it is, yes.

Scooter was more blood in the water that should never have gotten there. If it had been public that Armitage was the leaker, would that "investigation" have been allowed to proceed? (Sadly, I'm not sure I can say it would not have, due to the same defensive posture, but I think the chance it would have put it to rest is not insignificant.)

Speaking for myself, how can anyone NOT want to know the details on something like that? Yeah, there's more risk in knowing (maybe), but at least you can exercise some degree of control over the fallout. You have zero if you decide to "not know." In my personal experience in dealing with security incidents, I want to know everything I can be permitted to know in order to advise as well as possible. I even try to push the boundaries of what is permissible, to ensure I'm not missing some key element that is skewing my advice out of alignment with the real situation. Gonzo seems to have done the opposite.

That bit combined with this latest mess (mud slung against a clean wall is a mess!) makes me think he's even worse than I thought before. There's a pattern. He's avoided knowing "details" that have come back to bite him (leaking blood into the water, to beat on Clarice's choice of metaphor...). In fact, he appears to have gone one further and neglected to LEARN details when it became obvious (in the press!) that he'd better get those details nicely organized in his own mind.


vnjagvet

In time of war, having a President who is an accomplished communicator is a distinct advantage. Lincoln, Wilson, Roosevelt and Reagan had that gift. Truman and LBJ did not. GWB does not have that gift either.

That is why a Fred Thompson has some appeal as a candidate.

Who else has the stomach for making the hard decisions necessary to win the war which threatens us and the communication skills to keep the country behind that war?

PeterUK.

"Fight for the GOOD appointments, not the lame ones".

But isn't that the whole point,the Democrats oppose all the good ones,after all the strategy was,if they couldn't rule they would make the country ungovernable.
Personally,I don't think you are looking at a Democrat party any more,all this is straight out of the hard left play book.

Dan S

Amen to that, vnj, I hope he proves to be as good as he has been appearing of late. I just don't know enough about him to have strong feelings yet, but I've liked everything I've heard coming from him.

Cecil Turner

Fight for the GOOD appointments, not the lame ones.

The Dems will continue to pick out the ones they think are vulnerable--regardless of merit--and attempt to pick them off. Their main target is Rove . . . is there any doubt in your mind that is based on something other than his being incompetent?

Further, any replacement requiring confirmation will necessarily be a compromise. And again, merit will not be the overriding factor. The bottom line is that if the President doesn't defend his current officeholders, he soon won't have an Administration to defend. Besides, it's the right thing to do. Loyalty works both ways, and Administration officials have the right to expect protection against unwarranted interference by Congress.

There's a pattern. He's avoided knowing "details" that have come back to bite him (leaking blood into the water, to beat on Clarice's choice of metaphor...).

I disagree. The allegation is that the US Attorneys to be fired were selected improperly. That is the point Gonzales addresses with:

"I knew my chief of staff was involved in the process of determining who were the weak performers - where were the districts around the country where we could do better for the people in that district, and that's what I knew," Gonzales said last week. "But that is in essence what I knew about the process; was not involved in seeing any memos, was not involved in any discussions about what was going on. [emphasis added]
That is in fact the only appropriate way for a political appointee to handle it. It's obviously not valid to construe this to mean he had no hand in the firings (and thus that he's lying, since he obviously did), or to a "pattern" of avoiding detail.

Cecil Turner

Fight for the GOOD appointments, not the lame ones.

One other thing to note: the reason Gonzales got on the libs' radar screen in the first place was because of the argument over terrorists' rights. His replacement is likely to be more accommodating to our enemies.

Barry

Dan S, I think you're reading my mind today. I agree. In fact, I have long held the opinion that if you would not fight your political enemies, you would not fight the real enemies. For a long time, many of the Presidents supporters thought this was the "rope a dope strategy", that the President was a good poker player and would reveal his cards at the right time. Those notions have been laid to rest.

No, I would not get rid of Gonzales now. I would make it clear what underhanded sleazy politics are being played and who the underhanded sleazy players are. I would pound it in day after day. I'm not a "clean toga" type. I'd like to see blood on the togas of the left. They deserve it for what they are doing to the democratic process. But your point about appointing the right people is correct.


Clarice, I'm sorry the defense of the administration is left to those like yourself. As capable as you are, and I would personally install you at the WH to do battle, without some help from the inside it is a difficult job. If it were me, I would throw all the dirt that exists on the characters in this farce and see what sticks. Fight fire with fire, so to speak. I'm sure you will do it well.

Cecil,
"The bottom line is that if the President doesn't defend his current officeholders, he soon won't have an Administration to defend."

One of the major problems with this administrations is they don't even defend the President. They don't defend anyone. They have allowed the left to win in every respect. They have allowed Iran to define the conflict in the ME. The early words from the President have become, well, just words. All talk, no action. No response to the killing of our soldiers. No response to the feckle EU, doing business with the worlds #1 terror regime. Nothing. No response to the political enemies, that often seem aligned with the barbarians. None.

It will be his legacy.

Dan S

Cecil,

I'm not suggesting, nor do I believe he's lying. I'm not suggesting he did anything wrong in the process of hiring and firing.

But he's blown handling the criticism almost farcically badly. And thus we're at the favorite DC situation where "the coverup is worse than the crime." In this case, there was no crime. So why is this "coverup" such a fiasco?

And loyalty taken to an extreme is no more a virtue. In some situations it becomes something called "nepotism." (Not in this one, just making the point that loyalty needs to have limits.) I believe W places TOO much value in loyalty to individuals. He could place loyalty to the nation above that a bit more for my taste. He sends soldiers to their deaths, is that disloyal to them? Not in my book. Especially not when they volunteer to place themselves in that situation. Why should sending appointees to their "political death" be any different? It's not that he's got to stop being loyal to them as people, individuals, friends, it's just that sometimes a determination needs to be made about what's best for the country. I'm not saying I'm necessarily right that this is one of those times (though I'm arguing that it probably is), my point is that "loyalty" should not outweigh that. There's loyalty and there's placing personal relationships above duty. At some point one can slip into the other.

I'd be much more willing to defend Gonzo to the wall if I saw more of taking the fight to the enemy. At this point, to me, it feels like a rear guard action. And in a rear guard action, the rear guard must sometimes be sacrificed to save the rest of the army so that it can attack another day.

But if we're not gonna attack, okay, knock yourselves out defending the rear. Save what you can. Make it last. Without some offensive action, it's the most we can hope for.


PeterUK.

Jolly Green Aura Man

"THE president of Iran, Mah-moud Ahmadinejad, has taken to regaling his inner circle with a startling anecdote from his travels around the country to bolster domestic support for a nuclear programme that has generated vociferous international opposition.

Flying back to Tehran one day from a western province, he realised that he would not reach the capital in time for a scheduled prayer and ordered his helicopter pilot to land.

As Ahmadinejad tells it, he had just laid out his prayer mat on the flat, fertile terrain of rural Zanjan when three shepherds appeared and began to chant. “Nuclear power is our inalienable right,” they cried in faithful unison."

Sara

Why are all the dems who voted for the war in the first place not reminded of that every single speech? Why are they not reminded that they sat on committees with as much access to information as the president had? Why are they not reminded constantly that they voted against PBA before the supreme court upheld a law banning it? Why are they allowed to lie with impunity?

Oh please Dan, these things are brought up every day, ad nauseum. It is the media that advances the Dems scandal du jour and does not press the points against the disloyal opposition.

Cecil Turner

So why is this "coverup" such a fiasco?

What coverup? This is reminiscent of nothing so much as the Plame investigation. We went from risible accusations of outing a CIA officer for revenge to (in Rove's case) the inability to remember a tangentially involved phone conversation and e-mail. The same issue is now the Dems' best chance (as if Rove is personally responsible for the archiving system at RNC). It's all ludicrous nonsense. And proof positive that if you ask enough nitnoid questions about a complex subject, you'll get some inconsistent responses.

But if we're not gonna attack, okay, knock yourselves out defending the rear. Save what you can.

What attack do you suggest? And do you seriously believe things can't get worse?

Deagle

Yes, please is right...

If you are so naive to think that the news is going to in any way denigrate the Democrats, you either are living in another land or are too naive to be discussing the subject.

Can you say the biased MSM - okay, just say who, what, when, where and why, Whoops, I'm sorry, they either just don't know or don't care to investigate depending upon the "who" answers to those questions?

clarice

vnjagvet, you can take it to the bank that Fred is running and I;ve already volunteered --he isn't worried about raising lots of money because he needs no damn consultants or speechwriters. I like that.

Cecil--damned straight as usual.

Goof

I found Natural Born Killers to be insipidly weak sophmoric trash.

You're being way too kind.

Oldboy, the movie the 2004 Cannes jury liked, is worth the investment in time and money if violent revenge fantasies and/or if, like me, movies are your thing.

Deagle

Go Fred!

Elliott

PUK

On the mullahs say the darndest things front, in the second half of Peter Hitchens' dispatch from Iran, he relates an incident from his visit to Qom:

"And there I met a mullah who wanted to argue. Like all dogmatists, he was stuck in a circle. The Islamic republic had been a success, despite retreating so far from its original rules. The reforms by the last, liberal president, Khatami, had been made to strengthen Islam in Iran, even though they had relaxed many of the Islamic laws. But what he really wanted to talk about was the British sailors.

'They were spies,' he insisted, and when I said that spies didn't usually wear uniform, he retorted that this would be a typical devious British trick."

It looks like General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett is still in business.

clarice

Look at the B.S> Congress saddles the CIA with.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/contentions/index.php/schoenfeld/359

windansea

hmmm...it appears that torture does work.

“The detainee gave us names from the highest to the lowest,” Captain Fowler told the Iraqi soldiers. “He showed us their safe houses, where they store weapons and I.E.D.’s and where they keep kidnap victims, how they get weapons, where weapons come from, how they place I.E.D.’s, attack us and go away. Because you detained this guy this is the first intelligence linking everything together. Good job. Very good job.”

The Iraqi officers beamed. What the Americans did not know and what the Iraqis had not told them was that before handing over the detainees to the Americans, the Iraqi soldiers had beaten one of them in front of the other two, the Iraqis said. The stripes on the detainee’s back, which appeared to be the product of a whipping with electrical cables, were later shown briefly to a photographer, who was not allowed to take a picture.

To the Iraqi soldiers, the treatment was normal and necessary. They were proud of their technique and proud to have helped the Americans.

“I prepared him for the Americans and let them take his confession,” Capt. Bassim Hassan said through an interpreter. “We know how to make them talk. We know their back streets. We beat them. I don’t beat them that much, but enough so he feels the pain and it makes him desperate.”

of course the Times doesn't like it

Elliott

Full link to Commentary piece Clarice mentioned: CIA vs. MPG.

It does sound like something Scott Ott or Hit and Run would come up with.

Jane

This conversation adequately reflects how depressing this political season has become. I've been one of W's staunchest supporters, I just wish he would return the favor.

Fred Thompson is indeed a bright light. It can't come too soon for me.

Deagle

Windansea,

I have very little doubt that torture does work in the proper circumstances (ie., not a traitor to the death situation), but few will admit or recognize that fact...and of course the N.Y. Times would deny it to the end.

Not to say that it should be used, but in times of war, I not only understand it, but would certainly recommend it under specific circumstances. That statement alone would be admitted by few and condemned by many...

windansea

more:

Lieutenant Obal, the captain’s deputy, was distraught at the thought that the detainee had been beaten. “I don’t think that’s right,” he said. “We have intelligence teams, they have techniques for getting information, they don’t do things like that. It’s not civilization.”

About 30 yards away, on the other side of the wall, the Iraqi soldiers suggested that the Americans were being naïve. The insurgents are playing for keeps, they say, and force must be answered with force.

“If the Americans used this way, the way we use, nobody would shoot the Americans at all,” Captain Hassan said. “But they are easy with them, and they have made it easy for the terrorists.”

“I didn’t beat them all, I beat Mustafa in front of the others. We tell him we’re going to string him up.” He demonstrated, his arms spread wide. “And, I made the others see him,” he said.

Captain Hassan and his colleagues said they knew the Iraqi Army had rules against beatings, but “they tell us to do what we have to do,” he said.

“For me it’s a matter of conscience, not rules,” he said.

Deagle

To your bolded statement, I add... matter of conscience for the protection of the innocent rather than following the rules.

Sometimes we tend to worry more about the rights of the guilty than we do of the innocent. The tendency is good, the result is not always so...

hoosierhoops

Why are all the dems who voted for the war in the first place not reminded of that every single speech? Why are they not reminded that they sat on committees with as much access to information as the president had? Why are they not reminded constantly that they voted against PBA before the supreme court upheld a law banning it? Why are they allowed to lie with impunity?

Oh please Dan, these things are brought up every day, ad nauseum. It is the media that advances the Dems scandal du jour and does not press the points against the disloyal opposition.

Posted by: Lady Sara | April 22, 2007 at 03:38 PM
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Firstly..thats a cool handle Sara..
To reply to both you and dan..why did the dems vote for war then 'run away' as they seem to have done...and has dan charged in his posts.
My feeling is that 9-11 had such a world changing impact on the US. We must take that into account....
I remember sitting with the family listening to Bush on TV. I sat with tears hoping that bush would give at least a semi decent speach...Face it we all gave our president tons of political capital..just tons..no longer did i care about dems or pubs.
what happened to getting bin laden? I know, i know, bush is chasing terrorists...I guess we're all lucky he didn't try korea or iran...well.. there is still time...But i still like bush..kindof..i wished i liked him more..Why is the whole WOT was getting bigger rather the inverse...2 years too long..sorry sports..politically speaking. But still the point is..this isn't the first time america has faced an enemy with WMD's..why Iraq? at one time when i was a kid cuba had REAL NUCLEAR WEAPONS 90 miles from florida..JFK faced down Russia and crazy cuba in 13 days...( I got the chance in 1962 that my grandfather introduced me to JFK in Indianapolis..so ya know. Hero..our fallen hero...)
Look Iraq is going to really hurt your party ..its a fact .. and the dems are about the last party on earth we can trust
with our future. The few great names are flawed..deeply flawed..
I worry that neither party can find a good person to lead us out of this mess..or supposed mess..I do worry.
I'm really mad at dems right now..ya think?
they hate me at thier blogs..so i suppose i'll get some hate mail here to..but thats just my gut feelings. The Dems got nothing..nothing..and they'll probably win the WH..

Barry

Hoosier:
"and the dems are about the last party on earth we can trust
with our future."

Then we have no future, except one of tyranny.

Barry

And, by the way, what do you think a democrat response to nuclear missiles in Cuba would be today?

You know, in the land of their friend Castro.

Barry

Hoos, re-reading your last post, seems familiar.

Are you Sylvia? or Looking?

Rick Ballard

I'm shocked, Barry. You don't trust a proud father from Indiana?

If you can'y trust Hoosier Daddy - who can you trust?

clarice

Hoosier, what's your view on the Duke case? LOL

hoosierhoops

whaaa? I'm a newbee blogger dude from indiana..
to answer..no one can know the answer to that question..what would lincoln be without the civil war? fruitless questions..
And concerning castro...we made friends with Vietnam after upwards to 55k fought and lost thier lives on that soil..I don't recall the number of dead we inflicted on that country...or crazy country..well not crazy like that North koren cat but pretty crazy. We could have made friends with old castro and i'm not sure how..but i know my Pacer hat is from vietnam.
I'm the type that felt the reason Russia fell was more to do with coca cola, jeans and rock&roll..Sorry if my postings remind you of sylia..She must be an awesome person..
regards

hoosierhoops

gosh they asked....
you can read my bio at my not for profit charity..
www.food4humanity.org
thanks

Barry

LOL,

Confirmed.

Rick Ballard

Boy, I'm crushed.

Barry

"but i know my Pacer hat is from vietnam."

Sylvia, I'd suggest stomping on it and throwing in the trash.

Maybe John Kerry's magic hat was a pacer hat.

hoosierhoops

gawd!! john kerry..Really think about..
if kerry can be in the senate and run for president..then anybody could run..i mean anyone...
Even you or I Barry...
I have a 24 yr old daughter who went to UC Davis and doesn't have a clue what she wants to do in her life..I'll suggest a Senate Run... "Remember Kerry " buttons everywhere.

SlimGuy

I just went to the store to buy a few beers and had to thread my way between not 7 or 8 but 9 crack W*****. Don't those people even respect Sunday?

SlimGuy

Almost in unison they showed me their economic plight that they couldn't afford panties when I stepped out of the car.

I'm gonna go take a shower now and maybe puke a few times.

PeterUK.

Terrorists timing atrocities to coincide with Democrat war statements

SlimGuy

And these were gals that had skirts so short that if they had any hair it would already be hanging out.

Rick Ballard

We got it SlimDougJ.

You're a real....

nothing.

boris

the reason Russia fell was more to do with coca cola, jeans and rock&roll

Whoah party ON DUDE !

Using the arms race to arms wrestle their economy into the tank had nothing to do with thier inability to afford coke jeans and electric guitars?

So heavy !

PeterUK.

But then perhaps Bush shouldn't worry whilst the Democrats have Algore Effect

Jeff Dobbs

So hoosierhoops, your profile lists you as billy missle. That name's been on here before.........

clarice

I hope you had a good weekend with Mrs and the rugrats, h & r..

hoosierhoops

hey h&r.. i think it was around christmas..i've blogged a few times..
I'm the guy that always tells you to call Leno..good lines..funny and cutting..

SunnyDay

hoosierhoops, if you're going to post on politics blogs and link back to your own site, you really should pay the $9.95 a year to keep your name and address private. Whois information for your domain gives your real name and address.

Just FYI - not everyone on the net is nice. Some are even crazy.

Why are you referring to the republican party as "your party" (speaking to us, of course) and then saying "We" (referring to us, of course). Just askin'

Barry

Hoosier:
"and the dems are about the last party on earth we can trust
with our future."

Then we have no future, except one of tyranny.

Posted by: Barry | April 22, 2007 at 05:10 PM

Hmm, I think I misread Hoosier. Hoo appears to be saying we cannot trust the dem party. I thought Hoo was saying it was the only party left we could trust.

I am self correcting. My apology for misreading you. However, your later post makes me think my first read was correct...

Jeff Dobbs

Thanks hoosier.

Jeff Dobbs

Clarice:
I hope you had a good weekend with Mrs and the rugrats, h & r..

We did. Well, except for the strep. I got off easy....I think I killed it off with the bourbon Fri night...oh Sat AM was HORRIBLE...but by 11 I was ok to go to my son's soccer game. mrs hit and run hit rock bottom this morning ... the kids never really got it bad.

hoosierhoops

Sorry i write so crappy..I'll do better in the future..
I'm a lifelong dem that's disgusted with my party..Our party declines as it prepares to take over..I'm a moderate dem..probably cross lines and vote for Rudy G. if he makes it. ( I voted for Ronnie once because Carter embarrassed and endangered america.)

clarice

H & R--they are all typhoid Marys. Whatever they get I get; 24 hours later they are up and jumping around and I am flattened for weeks.Never tried that bourbon treatment though.

Rick Ballard

I voted for Wilson in '16 because Hughes was so bellicose. Fat lot of good that did.

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