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May 04, 2007

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Jeff Dobbs

Do box scores tell you which ref called which foul?

I hear the NBA is allowing mixed-racial referee teams these days.

Jeff Dobbs

From the NYT article:

N.B.A. Commissioner David Stern said in a telephone interview that the league saw a draft copy of the paper last year, and was moved to do its own study this March using its own database of foul calls, which specifies which official called which foul.
clarice

There are white players in the NBA? Who knew?

Other Tom

I'll await a more detailed expplanation of the methodology, but based on what I have heard thus far, I think it is suspect.

It's my understanding that all that the analysts took into account for a given game was whether, among the three officials, there were zero, one, two or three blacks. In the middle two cases, I'm not sure I can attach much significance to a finding that black players were called for proportionately more fouls than in the first case. (I'm not sure that I can do so for any of the four cases, but the middle two pose the biggest problem for me.)

Did the analysts take into account the race of the beneficiary of the foul call? If a white ref gives Michael Jordan gets a trip to the free throw line by calling a foul on Patrick Ewing, does that tell us anything at all?

Other Tom

Well, Clarice, at least until last night I thought Dirk Nowitzki was a white NBA player. Now all I'm sure of is that he is white.

(Sorry, H&R.)

Jeff Dobbs

Other Tom, I was going to write the same thing....

But my theory is that the refs are Jooooos who took it out on Nowitzki as a measure of revenge for the Holocaust.

PatrickR

I haven't seen the paper, but have read commentary by people who have. As I understand the results, both white and black referees call the same number of fouls on black players.

The divergent treatment is strictly of white players. All-white officiating crews call fewer fouls on white players and all-black crews call more fouls on white players.

Jeff Dobbs

TM:
I'll bet that if the Grand Ole Opry in Nashville announced an open music competition - "Nashville Idol"


I'm going to sign you up for email updates from Nashville Star.

Other Tom

PatrickR, I'm not sure that they can even draw that conclusion. All they knew was the racial makeup of the officiating crew as a whole for each game, and the races of the players on whom the fouls were called. For mixed-race crews (which were included in their sample, and which seem to me to be predominant), the analysts do not know who called which fouls.

Jeff Dobbs


Do refs call more fouls on the nappy-headed?

Neo

This all reminds me of an interview with Charles Barkley (Phila, Houston, Phoenix) who said when he played in Houston and Phoenix, he knew every night which team was the better and it almost always predicted the game's outcome, but, by contrast, when he was in Philadelphia, he and his team mates never knew who was going to win because it was completely in the hands of the referees.

BumperStickerist

correct me if I'm wrong, but a rate difference of 4.5% means that one additional foul out of about 25 called.

That's one additional foul call every four games if you're doing an analysis on a player-to-player basis - unless we're talking the mid-80s Celtics and you've got Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, and Danny Ainge starting, and whining to the ref ....

But the stats don't go back that far.

Also, there are game situations which dictate intentional fouling to stop the clock or to prevent a guy from taking an easy shot.

Given the low incidence of the percentage - 1 in 25 - I fail to see that this amounts to much of anything.

gmax

Bumperstickerist, I think your math is pretty colse. They said the "bias" they detected amounted to the difference in one game a season. They suggested that having one whilte player on your team would have that same affect. Strange though that the same phenomenon was detected though to a lesser extent in black referees bias against white players.

I think Barkley had it about right last night. He just said the study was nuts and there was no bias in the NBA. If Charles thought otherwise, I think you can count on him to say so loudly and clearly.

Jeff Dobbs

Well, I've reconsidered.

I'm not making any judgements until Reverends Jesse and Al weigh in.

Forbes

Well, there's all kind of nonsense in the article (and study), including "Mr. Wolfers and Mr. Price spend 41 pages accounting for such population disparities and more than a dozen other complicating factors." In other words, they tortured the data until they got the results they were looking for.

Whether conscious or subconscious, the variables of players, referees, black and non-black, can't have more than a dozen complicating factors, much less population disparities to be controlled. What the study's authors are suggesting is that these assumptions--complicating factors and population controls--are exactly the elements the 60 referees are incorporating into the decision to call a foul, rather than just random attributes of the foul called.

And if you're looking for racial bias, look no further than Cal State's Mr. Berri, who says, "Given that your league is mostly African-American, maybe you should have more African-American referees — for the same reason that you don’t want mostly white police forces in primarily black neighborhoods." Presumably, Mr. Berri believes that you wouldn't want mostly black police officers patroling white neighborhoods, either. What does that say about Mr. Berri's thinking?

And you've got to love the lead (lede)--"racial bias that exists in other parts of American society" as a given. If you look long and hard enough, you'll usually find what you're looking for--even if it exists in tortured data and 41 pages of assumptions.

What a crock.

PatrickR

'For mixed-race crews (which were included in their sample, and which seem to me to be predominant), the analysts do not know who called which fouls.'

Right, but that's why I said the difference is how -all-one-race officiating crews make calls from the way mixed race crews do.

Mixed-race crews call X number of fouls on black players and white players. All-white and all-black crews also call X number of fouls on black players.

The divergence is on how the same-race crews make calls against white players. It's not X for either all-white or all-black crews.

Again, as I understand it.

Jeff Dobbs

Forbes:
And you've got to love the lead (lede)--"racial bias that exists in other parts of American society" as a given. If you look long and hard enough, you'll usually find what you're looking for

Well, here's an idea. Dress some dudes up in Muslim garb and send them to a NASCAR race.

Oh wait. Of course. It's been done

Other Tom

Or have 'em start praying loudly and ostentatiously as a group in the airport just before getting on a plane, shouting "Allah akbar" and other crap like that, and then have them get on the plane, shift seats, and order seat belt extenders that they don't need. The racist bigots will come jumping out of the woodwork, won't they? God, what a bigoted society we have here.

Jeff Dobbs

Or have a black stripper claim she was raped by a college sports team and all sorts of racist bigots have the gall to actually look at the evidence to question her claims.

TimUSSRR

Ah statistics again. Seems to be a recurring subject.

The NBA has done its own atudy/analysis to
(of course) refute the academic study.

They find surprise, surprise no appreciable
bias. Of course they aren't going to share
their data which is specific official related.
This is because of contracts with same
officials, or the man in the moon.

I will always go with the study that shows
it's basis rather than one that self servingly
disagrees but hides the basis.

The NBA doesn't want people to be watching
the game on TV or from the stands and
counting who fouls who and when.
Likewise they don't want their multimillionare
stars demanding officials of like color.

Many here have good points as to other variables in
the games and in the personnel. The academic
study passes all that by and only looks at the
race of the person being called and the makeup
of the officiating team.

You can get more particular results, with other
variables but that can't dismiss the findings of
the academic study's broad scope.

BumperStickerist

Sure I can dismiss the findings using the 'okay, so what?' OKSW response.

The most that study has shown is that 17% of the league would incur 25 fouls while 83% of the league would incur 26 fouls. It takes six fouls to foul out of a game.

HOWEVER

those fouls lead to foul shots which would typically yield 1.6 points per additional foul

once every 4 games.

IF

the foul occurs after the team has used up its team allotment of fouls

and IF

the racial composition of the refereeing crew matches that which exhibits bias

AND

the teams that are playing have white dudes
on the court.

SO

I agree wtih the poster above that there's been some data torturing taking place.

What's telling is this: The people who did the study know which specific players and crews account for the foul differential.

There is tape of the games in question.

Add Warner Wolf to the study team and 'Let's Go to the Video Tape!'

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If the study shows that there's a bias towards calling fouls on specific players in order to get the team into foul trouble, which affects the style of play - that's one thing.

I don't think that race would be a factor in that, but rather Tom's 'Playing Style' factors would come up.

Also, there's a coaching question of 'go out and foul the guy' to get him off his game. You'd put in a low minutes guy to go do that whose stats would match up with another low stats guy, who may not be put into that same situation.

Joe Peden

From the study, "Black players receive about the same number of fouls per game (2.55 vs 2.53) as white players,
but receive fewer fouls per 48 minutes played (4.33 vs. 4.97)."

Since there are about twice the number of white refs as black refs, the black refs must be very exceptional racists indeed.

Unless we consider nuanced factors such as, "The [above] differences in foul
rates largely reflect the fact that white players tend to be taller, heavier, and more likely
to play center than black players."

But than my eyes glaze over and I reflexly exclaim, "Say what, Boss?".

PatrickR

'Also, there's a coaching question of 'go out and foul the guy' to get him off his game. You'd put in a low minutes guy to go do that whose stats would match up with another low stats guy, who may not be put into that same situation.'

And, at the end of a game it's common for the team that's behind to start fouling deliberately, hoping the free throw shooter will miss and they can get the ball back to shoot a three-pointer. How did they control for that?

Forbes

hit and run:

You could carry out an emergency response drill at the local school, utilizing a Christian sect as the mass murdering perpetrators du jour.

No sense looking for real examples of outrageous behavior--just make it up.

Barry Dauphin

If they want to study something worthwhile about the NBA, they could watch game films from the 60's & 70s compared to the 90's & 00's and measure the detection rate of travelling violations, because apparently the rules have changed---you now get 4-5 steps without dribbling and get to move your pivot foot a lot these days.

PatrickR

Well, now that I've read the study, they've made a mountain out of a molehill. I expect that as the paper moves through the refereeing (no pun intended) process it will get hammered.

They even concede what I think is obvious, they have picked up some REACTION by the players to different styles of refereeing. Anyone who's ever sat on the floor at an NBA game knows that the players know where the refs are most of the time. Which is why rookies have such a tough time adjusting; the veterans know how to cheat.

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