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June 20, 2007

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clarice

What a tangled web we weave when he try to add penalties to vicious crimes depending on p.c. I hate these laws and this one is a good indiccation why.
I believe Horowitz still hasn't had to pay out his bet that no one can find a case where Blacks were ever convicted of a hate crime even though all indications of hatred of others motivated the crime were met.

Jane

I'm with you Clarice. If someone is committing murder they hate something - so why the need for an enhancement? It's that kind of thing that keeps everyone unequal, which supposedly it is just the opposite of the intent.

clarice

More so--evidence of intent is almost always (as Libby's counsel states in its latest brief) think of what discretionary power this gives the prosecutor. Conduct which is perfectly legal albeit abhorent , is used to add a substantial amount of time to a deserved sentence.(Dare I callSharpton and Jackson race baiters? ) Does Precious get extra time if charged with filing false charges if we find out some time somewhere she said she hates white boys? Is it okay if she just said she hated Duke boys or athletes?) PHEH on all of that.

clarice

***More so--evidence of intent is almost always CIRCUMSTANTIAL (as Libby's counsel states in its latest brief) think of what discretionary power this gives the prosecutor. Conduct ***

(If you knew how much commotion was going on here all day and how much multi-tasking I'm attempting you'd just HAVE to give me a pass on these badly drafted posts.........)

Jane

I'd give you a pass without the commotion. I'm in the same club.

Cecil Turner

Conduct which is perfectly legal albeit abhorent , is used to add a substantial amount of time to a deserved sentence.

Yes, and now we see it taken to the ridiculous extreme. . . where "hate" isn't even a requirement . . . merely using a stereotype is enough. This can't possibly be applied objectively, and does exactly what Jane suggests: keeps everyone unequal. Punish crimes, not perceived "thought patterns."

JM Hanes

Cecil:

Punish crimes, not perceived "thought patterns."

It's not just crime, it's politics too. Folks don't talk about bad policy, they talk about bad motives and bad people. In fact, policy promoted by bad people like Bush/Cheney is, by definition, bad policy.

JM Hanes

TM:

Wait! It gets better! Noted at Instapundit:

Dems Seek Study Of Broadcast Speech and Hate Crimes.

Neo

Hate crimes are so bogus.

For example, if hating was a crime, most of the left-leaning side of the blogosphere would be in jail .. sent there by the victim, George W Bush.

BarbaraS

What the hate crime laws boil down to is protection for certain elements of our society more than others. It seems from this NY case prosecution is protecting the gay element and any time a gay is murdered it is a hate crime. In my opinion, all murders are hate crimes and all should be treated in the manner. It used to be that when a murder was commited the perpertrator was sentenced to life in prison or death by exection. We have dumbed down punishments and deterences.

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