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June 02, 2007

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Other Tom

How long before the Left starts telling us that the JFK plotters were a bunch of bozos and losers who posed no real threat?

Other Tom

One other possibility occus to me that Patterico doesn't discuss. I have read a number of times since 9/11 about a technique that is part and parcel of a terror campaign, the term for which I have forgotten. It consists of undertaking numerous small acts that will be interpreted as posing a threat but which cannot provoke an arrest, such as ostentatiously videotaping skyscrapers, cathedrals and the like. (The "praying Imams" on that flight in Minneapolis strike me as an example.) Tough to enact laws to prevent or punish this kind of thing, but I think we ought to try.

clarice

As to your first post, OT--any minute now.

As to your second they are hoping frivolous suits and O.C. will desensitize us to the danger and allow them to operate once again against a clueless, sleeping nation.

TM is right, this was the finest example of citizen journalism--Anne Jacobson was pooh poohed all around on her reports and she continued on anyway until more witnesses came forward.
(Remember before 9/11 there was a dry run by some of the hijackers, too, and a fine actor whose name I've forgotten reported it and was ignored.)

maryrose

Is James Woods the actor you are referencing? I saw a report where he indicated there was some suspicious activity on a plane he was on.

Roger

I fugured out the terror plane, terrorist, test, etc. things. It's really the new Russian Atomic boron salt water plutonium engine.

clarice

Yes, Maryrose..James Woods, and he called the FBI, reported it to the airline and flight crew and no one listened. On Sept 12, 2001, and FBI agent finally showed up to interview him. (He's very smart--an MIT grad as I recall.)

Sara

Re: James Woods, Clarice is right. I've heard his IQ is somewhere between 170 and 180.

MikeS

This is my son dramatizing the Liberal Hollywood view on terrorism and hijacking.

MikeS Jr.

Other Tom

Woods is undoubtedly a bright guy, but reports of his IQ seem to come exclusively from himself (I've seen him refer to it a couple of times as 160). He did attend MIT, but didn't graduate.

Jeff Dobbs

MikeS, heh that was good. "I got my first audition".......

Sara

From Wiki:

Woods was born in Vernal, Utah to Gail Peyton Woods, an army intelligence officer who died in 1960 following routine surgery, and Martha Dixon, who operated a pre-school after her husband's death; he had a brother, Michael Woods (7 January 1957–26 July 2006).

He was raised in his Irish American mother's Catholic religion, grew up in Warwick, Rhode Island, where he attended Pilgrim High School. Woods, an army brat, had been accepted to attend the United States Air Force Academy with the intention of becoming a fighter pilot. Unfortunately, several weeks before he was to depart, Woods suffered an accident involving a plate glass window which injured his hand tendons severely enough to result in his acceptance being retracted.

Woods then chose to pursue his undergraduate studies at MIT, where he majored in political science (though he originally planned on a career as a surgeon). While at MIT, Woods pledged to Theta Delta Chi Fraternity, and was one of the first brothers to reside in their new building purchased in 1967. He was also an active member of the student theatre group "Dramashop" where he both acted in and directed a number of plays. However, he dropped out of MIT in 1969 just before his graduation in order to pursue a career in acting. Woods headed to New York City, calling his mother to tell her of his plans.

While his mother wasn't thrilled at the news, she gave him her blessing to pursue a career in acting. At the 2006 CBS UpFront James Woods stated that his mother told him that if he was going to switch careers to acting that he needed to be the best actor he could possibly be. Before this transition to acting, however, he was considered a brilliant student and had been permitted to enroll in a linear algebra course at UCLA while still in high school

Jane

As to your second they are hoping frivolous suits and O.C. will desensitize us to the danger and allow them to operate once again against a clueless, sleeping nation.

Actually I always thought they wanted to chill people from making the report in fear of being sued.

hoosierhoops

I worry that the ACLU in thier Zeal to protect us from overt gov't actions that restrict our rights are playing right into the hands of our sworn enemy. It seems that every organization that starts with good intentions (ACLU for example ) always veers so much to one side or the other ( way way left right now) that they end up being more dangerous than what they are supposely protecting us 'the people' from.
It deeply disturbs me that my party the dems have veered so left and so wacky that it is now a sigma to be considered left-leaning or a democrat. If you disagree with firedoglake or the like jane will paint your face black and mock you..This is the party of giants..FDR, JFK, Truman.
When the left finds it's moral compass again they will move back to the center and find 'we the people' are living there.
My Grandfather, considered by many as one of our great labor leaders told me once as i questioned him as a young man about being the leader of literally hundreds of thousands of members.." Bill, the unions were needed when they would fire you and hire your kid for 10 cents an hour..but if I could live long enough i would end up being anti-union" I was stunned but now years later understand most organizations become corrupted by time. The ACLU has come to the crossroads of being either for america or trying to destroy america.

( I apologize for the long post..My 24 year old daughter is having a baby shower down stairs and i'm hiding out in the library blogging...gawd, i've got to get out of here :)))
oh. MikeS..that's a good looking son you've got there..you must be very proud..

clarice

Jane, you're right. I sloppily smooshed some ideas together--The lawsuits are to scare people out of filing reports. The acting AND the lawsuits together in a climate of p.c'ness make people feel helpless to act and foolish or at risk if they do so. For some it will lead to fear..others will choose denial to avoid that panicky , helpless feeling.

JM Hanes

Jeez. Every time anyone in the public eye seems eerily familiar, from actors like Woods to pols & pundits, it turns out we probably went to the same mixers in college. I'm beginning to wonder if I had a lot more fun than I realized.

Sara

I'm beginning to wonder if I had a lot more fun than I realized.

JMH - that's how I felt when I realized that Bob Seger used to perform at college parties I went to, only nobody had heard of him at the time, including me.

PeterUK.

This was posted by Lurker on another thread.
It is a standard terrorist tactic to destabilise by any means possible,to create a siege mentality,to destroy the social norms.These things degrade the qaulity of life,for example,there are no waste bins on public stations in Britain since the IRA bombings,bags can not be left unattended in public places. Now,since 7/7 no young man with dark skin and carrying a rucksack, can travel without raising suspicion.
IN WWII the Germans found they could cause more disruption with delayed fuze bombs and booby trap munitions.Now the same is being done with false alarms,the ploy is to keep us in a constant state of anxiety,false alarm or real attack.
A mistake really,as history shows,it just pisses people off.

clarice

It pisses me off--that conduct, I mean, not lurker's post which did warrant repeating.

Other Tom

Well, hell--we're waging an illegal, aggressive war against the Iraqi people. We have to expect that some guys from Guyana and Trinidad would try to blow up New York, right?

Sorry to beat H&R to it, but I blame Bush.

Jeff Dobbs

But I blame Bush more.

PeterUK.

"We have to expect that some guys from Guyana and Trinidad would try to blow up New York, right?"

Might be a good idea if Immigration checked these people to see if they liked you before letting them in.

H&R,That is simply assertion,sorry you will have to take the Blameometer test.

Jeff Dobbs

I BLAME BUSH in all caps.

Sara

I blame the Bush blamers.

Jeff Dobbs

Sara, is your shift key broken?

We need more CAPS to really speak truth to power.

And! exclamation! marks! of! course!!!

Sara

ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I BLAME THE BUSH BLAMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sara

Not to change the subject or anything, but have you all seen this bit of crap?

Just imagine the outcry if it had been anyone else but the "golden couple."

JM Hanes

You guys are so retro. I blame Pelosi. Thanks, Nancy!

Jeff Dobbs

Well, truth be told, I blam cynicism.

Jeff Dobbs

Well, truth be told, I blame cynicism.

Jeff Dobbs

And typepad

JM Hanes

You fried, h&r?

Jeff Dobbs

No, I'm not going without you.

Actually, I've been under the weather. Right before leaving town, the kids decided to leave me something to remember them by.......they both had double ear infections and I have...something.

Other Tom

I think these reports out of NYC must be in error. The Breck Girl has stated that the whole idea of a war on terror is just a bumper sticker thingy.

Jeff Dobbs

And the Breck Girl is thoroughly confused as to whether he read the NIE back in 2002. His campaign says no. He says yes. His campaign says he was confused and meant no.

Daddy

A careful read of the WNBC and WCBS stories posted on Drudge concerning this latest JFK Terror Plot reveals a slight discrepency.

WNBC says terror suspect Defreitas hatched his terror plot last July or August, while WCBS says suspect Defreitas hatched his terror plot at JFK more than a decade ago. Who to believe?

A careful read of the linked indictment reveals that yes in deedy, suspect Defreitas, who goes by the name of 'Mohammed' (what a surprise) has indeed been planning terror plots at JFK for at least a decade.

As a cynical observer, I will be interested in seeing which meme takes hold as this breaking story develops; WCBS's story revealing that this plot was hatched back during the Clinton Administration, or WNBC's much simpler listing of this as just another recently hatched attack wherein the reader is invited to jump to the unstated simplistic conclusion that this is due to the standard list of 'Hate America' reasons hung about the neck of George Bush.

Jeff Dobbs

Go catch on that Daddy. I'm glad to have a fellow cynicist - and yes, we will see the media portray this as a Blame Bush moment.

And since you invited me to visit drudge...I see this

Buffett to Help Clinton Raise Money on Wall Street (Update1)

By Kristin Jensen and Timothy J. Burger

June 1 (Bloomberg) -- Billionaire investor Warren Buffett will host a fundraising event for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton in New York this month, helping her attract donors who can write four-figure checks and court fresh faces in the investing community.

Are we geraing up for a Buffet (Hillary) vs Soros (Obama) showcase showdown...

clarice

What was wrong with the good old days when mega billionaires spent their money on yachts and jewels and dissipation? Did us all a lot more good than now when they meddle in politics directly or thru tax free foundations which are up to no good.

Please..I beg you all..if you come into a pot of gold SPEND IT ON FRIVOLOUS THINGS and leave us alone!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeff Dobbs

You have my word that if I come into money I will use it to dissipate.

Jeff Dobbs

ERRATA: I will dissipate now to ensure that I never come into money.

PeterUK.

Oh for the "good old days when mega billionaires" weren't bloody socialists.

clarice

That'll work , too, h & r..just don't put it into politics or set up a trust which will surely be run by kooks when you die.
Bourbon, wild women, yachts, jewels--you know the drill.(Sorry about the ear infection. Children really are the typhoid Marys of the world...and they look so darling...)

Daddy

Good Evening Mr and Mrs Candidate, and welcome to our restaurant. For our Billionairre selections tonight might I recommend the Buffet Buffet? It's a favorite of Mz Hillary.

Oh not tonight Jeeve's, nothing so Capitalist. What might you have in a Socialist line?

Well Mamm, It is hard to beat Hillary's tastes for Socialist lines, but I can certainly recommend this evenings Soros Smorgasboard. Mister Obama is quite taken with it, and DeCaprio and Afleck give it rave reviews!

Hmmm, perhaps, perhaps...Daddy, what are you thinking of having?

Got any of that Oyster's Rockefeller handy?

Well excuse me sir, but we don't serve "Old Money" in this establishment. If that's your fare, may I suggest the Denny's next door for some Carnegie Mellon and some Teresa Heinz katsup.

Oh Gawd Daddy, you've embarassed me again. Please excuse him Jeeve's, you can take the boy out of the oilfields but...

Bush League Mamm?

Regretably. At home it's taco's this and Enchilada's that. Might as well be living in Mexico.

Well ya know Hun, a good marguerita might be nice right about now.. what do you think darling?

Gad, Jeeve's please just bring me a fortified Forbes with an Eliot Spritzer on the rocks, and for my plebian husband, anything a Kennedy might quaff.

Tax increases Madam?

Precisely.


clarice

Bravo, Daddy..Right to the point,PUK.

Jeff Dobbs

Bourbon, wild women, yachts, jewels--you know the drill


Bourbon, check.

But on the women, no luck.

I tried. But JMH declined my invitation "to spend time with family".

PeterUK.

H&R,
We'll send someone round from SCAM head office,just sign a few papers and we guarantee you will never be embarrassed by riches,ever.

PeterUK.

Actually,I don't know why these people want money,they have no taste,marry scrawny wives,eat tofu,drive a Prius and are tight as a fishes arse,they look perpetually miserable and are terminally boring people.

Jeff Dobbs

we guarantee you will never be embarrassed by riches


Sounds good... But I reserve the right to embarrass myself in every other way.

SMGalbraith

Apologize as this is my second OT in a row but this is an absolute must read.

Michael Yon - The Final Option - the arrest of the top Iraqi general in Anbar. Holy moly.

Reads like a spy/military thriller. Folks, our guys over there are brave sons of bitches.

SMG

Soylent Red

Actually,I don't know why these people want money,they have no taste,marry scrawny wives,eat tofu,drive a Prius and are tight as a fishes arse,they look perpetually miserable and are terminally boring people.

I am forever dismayed by the idiots upon whom wealth is wasted. They're the same people who coined the phrase, "Money can't buy happiness." Which, I suppose, is true when happiness is defined as moonbat utopianism.

Galbraith:

Yes they are. These kinds of transition teams are the face of what's up and coming in Iraq, IMO. Their utility is certainly the subject of deep conversation around here.

clarice

Soylent!! Is that really you, darling??I loved that Yon article--

Soylent Red

The one and only! Refitting at the local Subway before a rainy week in the field.

SMGalbraith

These kinds of transition teams are the face of what's up and coming in Iraq, IMO.

That's just a flat out amazing story by Yon. Lt. Crissman is just unbelievable.

If you saw that scene in a movie you'd dismiss it as far fetched and cartoonish.

Wow.

SMG

clarice

Oh how wonderful to hear from you! Can you get care packages yet? If so email me what you want (brownies, IIRC) and your address which is here somewhere but will take time to find.

Soylent Red

Galbraith:

I've heard a lot of stories about these types of teams here and there. Nearly every one of them is full of high speed derring-do, and almost none struck me as BS.

There's enough of this material to keep Tom Clancy farting in silk well into the next decade. My guess is that Yon is on his way to becoming a novelist. At any rate, he's on top of his game, as usual.

Clarice:
I have been cleared for goodies. One unfortunate soul let a group of us know about some homemade granola bar things and brownies he had received. We fell upon them and they were gone in minutes. So when you bake, bake big. I will in turn hoard and covet.

clarice

I will--pls resend the address, Soylent.

SMGalbraith

Soylent:
I've heard a lot of stories about these types of teams here and there. Nearly every one of them is full of high speed derring-do, and almost none struck me as BS.

I sure hope the Iraqi people understood what treasure we're giving them. For a chance for a better life for themselves and their children.

Be safe. A twisted ankle racing to grab the last brownie is the worst that'll happen to you.

SMG

topsecretk9

WOW Soylent's here - right on! We (I) miss you big time!

JM Hanes

Maybe things are beginning to look up in the MSM. Newsweek is actually carrying a story about Anbar in its upcoming issue (via Instapundit). You don't run into the usual array of cautions till the very bottom of page 3. I'd call that real progress.

JM Hanes

h&r:

"they both had double ear infections and I have...something."

They do that on purpose you know. You finally get a little time to yourself, and they make you pay and pay...

Deagle

You know, I would never have known about the air marshall's comments except through blogs. Just where are the newspapers and the "right to know" reporters?

hoosierhoops

Goood Morning Lady Sara..
Hope all is well with you and your family.
I went to that link you posted about infoUSA.
i then proceeded to do some research on this public held corp.
I could not find any questionable thing listed as a service that the blogger railed about.
Maybe outcry has caused them to remove any database listing that could be construed as preditory to any elderly group.
Now i could refine a search by race, ( yech)
homeowners by state, new homeowners, bankrupticies( public record ) ect..but nothing by age..You may be able to data mine that list supplied..but that would be something the purchaser would do with the database.
I dunno, seems kindof on the up and up to me.

Semanticleo

Holy Moly is this site in Slo-Mo or what?

Cheer up locals. Libby is due for sentencing
this week so Maguire may awaken from his sabbatical. What do you think? 3yrs? 5?

Do you think he will be incarcerated during appeal?

hoosierhoops

Do you think he will be incarcerated during appeal?

Posted by: Semanticleo | June 03
Nah..no time in Danberry.. Probation.

Other Tom

I'm already on record predicting he'll get time. I'd guess something close to 18 months. I've also ventured the guess that he'll remain free pending appeal, which I think is the norm in white-collar matters where there is no ongoing investigation and there are no allegations of conspiracy. (I'm aware that there are such allegations in certain precincts, but insasmuch as those precincts are in the vicinity of the Pluto formerly known as a planet, I don't count them.)

You people don't wake up and start posting, I'm gonna investigate the Martinis at a preposteroudly early hour. Hell, it's already after five in London.

hoosierhoops

You really think 18 months Tom? I would be floored with anything more than probation.
Why wait till 5pm? If you fly into Amsterdam you'll see people in the mcDonalds at 7am drinking Beer and eating egg mcmuffins..really wierd combo I think..
( Although, now that I think about it..Our tailgating parties at the Colts games offer a much more bizzarre combo of food and drink )
Did I mention we won the SuperBowl?

lurker9876

I would be surprised that Libby got pardoned without jail time. I would be surprised that Walton would give him max time. Walton has been known to grant very stiff sentences.

Semanticleo


From Fitzgerald filing;

"There exist documents, some of which have been provided to defendant and there were conversations in which defendant participated, that reveal a strong desire by many, including multiple people in the White House, to repudiate Mr. Wilson before and after July 14, 2003."

By 'allegation' I assume you mean Libby was not formally charged. There most certainly
were 'allegation's' of conspiracy.

Other Tom

My guess about his getting time, and the amount of time, are entirely uneducated. The federal sentencing guidelines used to be mandatory, but are now only advisory. Walton just seems to me like a guy who's not going to depart very much from the advisory sentence, whatever that may be.

The real issue for me is when or whether Bush will pardon him. On that one, as with so much else concerning Bush, I haven't a clue.

Other Tom

"There most certainly were 'allegation's' of conspiracy."

No there weren't, and nothing you quoted constitutes such an allegation. A conspiracy is an agreement to commit an unlawful act. Discrediting Joe Wilson is not an unlawful act.

If it were alleged that there was an agreement to disclose classified information knowingly, that would meet the test. But that was not alleged except, as I say, in the vicinity of Pluto.

clarice

Didn't you get the memo from TM? Semantic has been named the JOM correspondent from Pluto.

Semanticleo

Not to put too fine a point on it, but an allegation is an assertion, especially an accusation, not necessarily based on facts.

Does it work differently in court? You can hide behind the legal definition of 'covert'
if you like, but how does that dismiss the idea that Fitz believed there was a conspiracy? He failed to uncover evidence that Libby conspired with the WH in his lies
and in his evasiveness, but that does not cancel the 'allegation'. In fact, it was pivotal in Fitz' decision to go to trial.

I know Walton goes by the book and will not
include 'belief' in his sentencing decision, but if you were to ask him off record if he thought there was a conspiracy, I think he would say yes.

clarice

And if Fitz had had the notion that he was investigating a murder and failed to prove it, could he get the sentence ratched up because of what he thought but couldn't prove?

clarice

***ratchETed up*******8

Other Tom

I'm not hiding behind anything at all. I simply assert that there were no allegations of consipiracy, whether you want to use a legal definition or a lay one. I think we can all agree that if Fitz believed there had been a conspiracy, he would have alleged it. He didn't.

I have no idea why you think his unstated belief in a conspiracy was pivotal in his decision to go to trial. I think he was absolutely unequivocal in the basis for that decision: he believed that Libby had lied to the grand jury and lied to investigators. None of the statements that the trial jury found were false had anything to do with proof of a conspiracy.

I have no idea what Fitzgerald would say off the record, and I couldn't care less. He elected not to charge Libby, or anyone else, including "unindicted" co-conspirators, with conspiracy. And certainly, when it comes to the decision whether to leave Libby free pending appeal, Walton is not going to give consideration to the unspoken thoughts of Patrick Fitzgerald. He may not leave him free, but if he doesn't it won't be because there are alleged co-conspirators still remaining to be charged, because there aren't.

Out there near Pluto, they're still awaiting the unsealing of the Rove indictment. Any day now...

Semanticleo

"And if Fitz had had the notion that he was investigating a murder and failed to prove it, could he get the sentence ratched up because of what he thought but couldn't prove?"

I dunno. Ask Marcia Clark.

hoosierhoops

but if you were to ask him off record if he thought there was a conspiracy, I think he would say yes.

But there was no charges filed of Conspiracy..why would he believe it and think yes?
Justice is and should be blindfolded to all such personal conjecture...

Semanticleo

"I have no idea why you think his unstated belief in a conspiracy was pivotal in his decision to go to trial."

'Hear no evil, speak no evil..'

See if you can find the chestnut.....

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20051104.html

qquirl

test

qquirl

Plame was in NY while this happened.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07154/790568-44.stm

The terrorists are a joke. It was done because Plame didn't stay in NM. This is classic. Alot of media are upset about limits put on them by a political party.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070603/ap_on_re_as/pakistan_media_crackdown

Plame is suing CIA over her books and and movies and Freedom of Speech.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07154/790568-44.stm

The NY terror thing looks like A CLASSIC Dem 'you should take care of Plame thing.'

I WAS going to explain the x Presidents, Gates, The DoD canceling of programs in the Caribbean, but JOM didn't work.

O.T., who killed off Roger? It was the Semantic thing?

clarice

At every opportunity Fitz has tried to draw the CP into this..Remember the pleading suggesting that which he took a good week to correct? The "rebuttal" closing? And now this...What a vindictive putz.

clarice

**VP**not CP (This damned board makes me sign up with every post --sometimes in the middle of one it knocks me off..It's very disconcerting.)

windansea

Truth about Kyoto: huge profits, little carbon saved

OT but great article in the Guardian of all places that shows what a scam Kyoto and carbon credits are

I'd love to see the Goracle confronted with this info

The carbon market's leading analysts, Point Carbon, recently calculated that this scheme handed out 170m too many EUAs. In the early days, nobody realised quite how badly the commission had miscalculated, and so the price of the EUAs was quite high, at up to €30 a tonne. But individual companies, particularly energy companies, rapidly saw they had millions of tonnes of EUAs that they didn't need, and so they sold their surplus, making huge profits. A 2005 report by IPA Energy Consulting found that the six UK electricity generators stood to earn some £800m in each of the three years of the scheme.

A separate report by Open Europe, in July 2006, found that UK oil companies were also poised to make a lot of free money: £10.2m for Esso; £17.9m for BP; and £20.7m for Shell. And behind this profiteering, the environmental reality was that these major producers of carbon emissions were under no pressure from the scheme to cut emissions.

At the other end of this EU market, smaller organisations like UK hospitals and 18 universities, who had been given far fewer EUAs, were forced to go out and buy them - while the price was still high. So, for example, the University of Manchester spent £92,500 on EUAs. Now that the truth about the glut has been revealed, the university would be doing well if it managed to get £1,000 for the lot of them.

Ten years after the idea was launched at Kyoto; six years after the guidelines were drawn up at Marrakech; a year and a half after it finally went to work: the CDM thus far has issued only 50m tonnes of certified emissions reductions to offset global warming: Britain produces more emissions than that in a single month.

There are doubts about the validity of some of these CERs, on two separate grounds. First, some of them appear to breach the CDM's requirements for sustainable development - 53% of the existing CERs come from just six monster projects, in India, China and South Korea, all of which engage in the most controversial form of carbon reduction. They manufacture refrigerant which produces as a side effect a gas called HFC-23. Although carbon dioxide is the most common greenhouse gas, HFC-23 is 11,700 times more likely than carbon dioxide to encourage global warming. Refrigerant companies find it relatively cheap to instal an incinerator to burn the HFC-23 and, once that is converted into certified reductions of emission, each tonne saved can be sold as 11,700 carbon credits. These companies are now earning millions of euros from these credits - more than from selling their refrigerant products.

The environmental problem is two-fold, first that HFC factories tend to pour out other pollutants which don't happen to be greenhouse gases but which are unpleasant or dangerous for local communities; and second, that the potential profits from burning HFC-23 are so great that companies are being encouraged to expand production of refrigerants so they can produce more HFC-23 to incinerate, thus increasing the net amount of pollution.

MikeS


I’m really confused by all these new definitions for words like alleged, conspiracy, sent, patriotism, and support (for our troops). Is there some new Plutonic dictionary in use?

hoosierhoops

What a vindictive putz.

Posted by: clarice
Yes Clarice..This trial was never about justice, it was a political show trial to try to get the WH..Just imagine how off-beat the special prosecutor investigations will advance in 5 years hence..
I Blame Nixon....

Semanticleo

"I Blame Nixon...."

There. You accidentally said something important. Wanna try, Clarice?

Specter

I think we have probably see the end of Special Prosecutors. With Starr's never-ending foray and now Fitz, we see how impotent and expensive they are.

qquirl

The Clinton Foundation.

http://www.lgprogram.energy.gov/LGP-NOPR.pdf

Everyone is being sued by foreigners, which is national security(energy companies). It isn't good for any country to be involved. It's national security and money.

The US has responded to this by creating the Geospacial Intelligence Agency(Pole gravity disappearing) and another agency at DOE. Most countries don't want to create more intelligence agencies over the environment or anything else.

Plame worked in energy. Dems want more federal jobs and agencies to report to them in Congress. This is not something most countries can afford to do. The Al and Bill global warming thing just isn't going to work.

The DOE program will probably work perfectly. It did real well for USAID.

Roger won't be back, it's just sad. The chestnut is that Plame was supposed to be indicted.

Specter

And with Fitz we see the growth of unethical behavior on the part of prosecutors....

Other Tom

Cleo, when I say that there are no allegations of conspiracy, I am referring to allegations that might be taken into account by Judge Walton. I am specifically excluding allegations by convicted felon John Dean. The latter, along with those of the likes of Larry Johnson, Jason Leopold and the like, are pertinent only in the environs of Pluto.

Is it really necessary to rehash for you all of the trial evidence? Did you hear of a single witness, including the immunized Ari Fleischer, saying anything along the lines of, "we decided we had to out Valerie Plame as a CIA agent in order to punish her husband?" What's the closest anyone came to such a statement?

Wouldn't you think that, if such a conspiracy had existed, there would have been a series of phone calls and personal contacts initiated by the conspirators in which they said "Wilson's wife is a covert CIA operative?" Do you think they would have waited for Richard Armitage to disclose where she worked? (Tell me, Cleo, around the Pluto water cooler do they think Armitage was in on the plot?)

There is really nothing served by this discussion except an exploration of the boundaries of moonbattery, which I suppose is something of a public service. So I am happy to participate in the exercise. Fire away, Cleo--now that we've heard what John Dean thinks, why don't you tell us the views of, say, Jeb Stuart Magruder--or Marc Rich?

Semanticleo

I don't know what kind of law you practiced,
or if you possess a kind of GWB curiosity, but it seems you were successful in you career.

It could be you settled a lot of cases without bothering to prepare for court. If you had
you would know the practicality of presuming there is fire in the vicinity of smoke.

I was answering your response; "I have no idea why you think his unstated belief in a conspiracy was pivotal in his decision to go to trial." with a little sensible speculation derived from a convicted felon
from the Nixon Gang. You have a problem with that. I understand. Hence my comment
"Hear no evil....." Shall I paste a picture
of the three monkeys to further illustrate
your intransigent myopia?

Derogate to your heart's content. It doesn't change the landscape. Much as you wish it to.

boris

Shall I paste a picture ...

Sure. Lets's see that picture. Post it right on the blog (no links please).

All the smoke is between you ears. Perhaps some is leaking out and getting in your eyes.

hoosierhoops

You accidentally said something important- cleo

ehhh. it happens from time to time..
you said'you would know the practicality of presuming there is fire in the vicinity of smoke.'
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that why we have Grand Jury's?

Daddy

Veering back to my question as to whether the media would highlight this JFK Terror story as a plot hatched during the Clinton years, or as entirely Bushes fault, Instapundit this morning links to George Stephanoupolis' Sunday talk show with Murtha:

"Murtha ties failed JFK Plot to US in Iraq."

'...about one minute into Stephanopoulis's interview with Murtha, the congressman said..."This is the kind of thing that is happening because of our troops in Iraq...Our presence in Iraq, our occupation in Iraq,, gives these people the inspiration. Now we didn't have this problem before..."

Thus the fact that this was hatched more than a decade ago during the Clinton Administration slips into the memory hole, and a new bash the Prez meme comes out on top. My cynical side wins. Too bad. Gosh, you'ld almost think it's like a "Conspiracy" or something, but as we've already find out reading this thread this morning, only conservatives engage in conspiracies.

PeterUK.

""This is the kind of thing that is happening because of our troops in Iraq...Our presence in Iraq, our occupation in Iraq,, gives these people the inspiration. Now we didn't have this problem before..."

Time Jack "Over the Horizon" Murtha was redeployed to Area 51.

PeterUK.

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, Better still don't get caught.

Semanticleo

How unlike OT to give me the last word.

"Pay no attention to the (wo)man behind the curtain" Our power-hungry clarion of truth
is busy at email again. Go burn a book, Hattie.

Semanticleo

Grow a pair, OT.

glasater

Cleo--your snotty comments are real conversation enders.

Other Tom

Cleo, I just returned from a leisurely brunch, and am now about to nap.

My area of practice was litigation. Apart from your question about my practice, I have not the slightest idea what in the name of God you are talking about.

Yawn...

Semanticleo

You should try a nice walk after a heavy meal.

It's better for clearing the cobwebs.

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